#ts crit

[casey-complains]

i feel as if thomas has dug himself into the deepest hole imaginable when it comes to sanders sides. unfortunately, i dont think ill be fully satisfied with whatever he manages to put out for the finale. as the days drag on, people's standards go up - people expect something high quality when we've waited four fucking years.

i genuinely sympathise with thomas in that regard. he admitted himself that he keeps adding to the finale, and theres no doubt in my mind that hes doing so as compensation for how long the finale is taking. but adding more means longer production time. he's shooting himself in the foot.

i hope he's okay, genuinely. despite all the shit i talk about him, i hope thomas is at least doing okay with a support system and close friends. i just wish he communicated more clearly in the first place, laid out the foundation for our expectations early on instead of insisting everything was okay whilst the building was very clearly collapsing

#kc.txt #ts critical #ts criticism #ts crit #eh? more somber than critical

[prodigal-explorer]

RESULTS!!! sanders sides controversial opinions poll

alright guys this is what you were waiting for! i am so grateful that this little poll i made ended up getting over 630 responses? that's insane! thank you all so much for helping me with this project, i loved researching this fandom that i love so much! without further ado, here are the results!!

(also for the interesting opinions, i don't agree with all of them, they're just opinions that i thought brought up something cool that i hadn't considered before!)

the canva link in case the photos aren't working: https://www.canva.com/design/DAFxdNIQW6s/XXMtxyz_icwgEp2cdgGBLQ/edit?utm_content=DAFxdNIQW6s&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

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part two is being reblogged below!! and i am in the process of tagging people who said they wanted to be.

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[self-assigned-dyke]

“you wouldn’t last an hour at the asylum where they raised me” girl didn’t you grow up on a christmas tree farm?

#anti taylor swift #ts crit

[softestvirgil]

I really miss being into Sanders Sides. I miss the characters so much. I can’t even watch old episodes without feeling bad about it because I don’t enjoy them how I used to, and it’s like the show’s lost it’s magic for me. I can’t even see the sides as separate from Thomas anymore and I literally used to be one of the people who talked on here about how easy it was to suspend my disbelief and forget that they were all him. Not to mention that in new videos they are all so out of character that it’s as if they’re Walmart versions of their former selves. It’s sad.

#virgil speaks #ts criticism #ts critical #ts crit #sanders sides critical #sanders sides crit #tss crit #sanders sides

[dillydallydove]

Roman’s character development when he got reverted back into that two-dimensional self absorbed prince character:

#I am looking at you Have I Grown? #u can die #roman bby what happened #tss critisism #ts crit #roman sanders #sanders sides #I cant be the only one who noticed #he just felt so unlike himself #he went from lovable sweet himbo to I am obnoxiously self absorbed

[vividaway]

i would say 'the #sanders sides to #ts crit pipeline needs to be studied' but it really doesn't because i think we ALL know what the problem is here..

#ts crit #ts criticism #ts critical #thomas sanders #alyssa posts

[sanderssideswriting]

“Thomas made the sides so they aren’t out of character. An author can’t make their characters ooc because they created them.” Every fandom ever would like to disagree with you actually.

#yall know what flanderization is? #i don’t think you do #ts crit #ts criticism

[fossilizedhysterics]

ummmm i didnt like the new episode but!! i got to make this so it doesnt matter

#shitpost #sanders sides #remus sanders #roman sanders #idk i think im too jaded when it comes to sasi atp #it all feels so hollow #it was FINE objectively but #i just want the finale bro #you dont understand how badly i want to love this series and everything that comes out of it #its just hard #im trying though!! i thought the janus being cold blooded thing was fun #and ummmm the slap was funny #and it was nice to have character interactions beyond just the main 3 ships #ANYWAYS yeah the christmas brothers #merry crimis every1 #i feel like someones already made this #but idc i was the first #ts critical #ts criticism #ts crit #if this looks like shit its cuz i made it in the car while actively trying not to piss my pants

[countdown-til-sanders-take-over]

#sanders sides #ts crit #ts criticism #ts critical #It has been 1336 days since the last sanders sides episode #Remember when the term “episode” had meaning? That was nice

[analoceits]

hmm. ok this is ts crit but also like. lite ts crit yknow? basically some changes i think should be made:

make virgil more anxious and jumpy. its a core trait of his and its weird how.. calm he is in this ep.

the wine aunt vibes are Not working for jan. tone it down a bit and tone up the fancy boy energy. make him less blunt and more shifty, yknow?

make remus.. ok i have no explanation for this but more. just more. like. more rambly more intense yknow?

turn down the silly fun drama just a bit to make the characters more grounded and real.

the patton roman friendship is integral to this series and i am barely joking.

#ts criticism #ts crit #sanders sides #tss #ts sides #sasi

[spoofy-drawings]

IM AT SUCH A CROSSROADS-

Thomas is such a talented individual, to the point he can just sound slightly different and we as fans can recognize that he’s acting as different characters.

I KNOW he’s talented enough to pull off badass works of art, especially when it comes to Sanders Sides.

Now all of a sudden, after making MASTERPIECES like the Into The Unknown cover, and SVS (part 1 and 2) AND WTIT, he can’t make a decent Sides vid?

I love the new vid, don’t get me wrong. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I will love Thomas’ work regardless of what it is.

However, the HUGE downgrade NEEDS to be talked about.

So let’s discuss my thoughts on the uproar of anger at this new episode.

First and foremost, the makeup. It TANKED. Just look at this- How did Janus and Virgil go from this -

TO THIS???

Like, Thomas what happened. I can 100% understand that Janus’ scales are far from easy to do, so his is more understandable, especially bc he has a new makeup artist. It just looks like it’s the artists first attempt?? If that makes sense??

On the other hand, I have NO experience in makeup, absolutely zero. Yet, I still think I could manage to do Virgil’s makeup- it’s one step.

The writing was so off this whole episode too. Roman was almost unrecognizable until the other sides appeared- like why was he so out of character-

Janus’ whole character was so complex, and I loved it, and then this asides episode came out and he’s suddenly just a sassy wine aunt. What did they do to my boy?

THE BIGGEST THING THAT TRIPPED ME UP THO.

Why does this episode exist?

We already talked about how anxiety will look different to other people. YEARS AGO actually. VIRGIL WAS THE FIRST TO SAY THAT. And yet we are here. Why?

GRGRGGRGR IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY- I JUST WANT SANDERS SIDES CONTENT, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE QUALITY DROPPING. I will gladly wait these nearly four years for an episode, but if the quality looks like THIS, I don’t want it. I don’t want the season finale that badly. Quality over quantity, Thomas.

#sanders sides #Thomas sanders #ts crit #ts critical #ts criticism #spoofy rambling

[casey-complains]

sanders sides....

#kc.txt #ts critical #ts criticism #thomas sanders critical #thomas sanders criticism #ts crit

[logically-asexual]

i do believe that thomas is enthusiastically working on sanders sides and i think that the long time it has taken for the video to be made is due to other problems, and i get why people who don’t agree with criticisms of thomas think it’s weird to assume that thomas has given up on sanders sides, since even though his updates are vague as hell and come like thrice a year, they’re still updates.

however. i do think the other side is also understandable. mostly considering what the past couple years have been like.

so if you’re someone who thinks it’s crazy that people think thomas has given up on sanders sides here’s a hopefully helpful explanation. i’m not looking for an argument, i just want to explain this in good faith because i’ve seen people confused.

so in the past couple years the discourse has been a lot of -> people being upset that there’s no videos -> people arguing in defense of the waits with different arguments -> the first group not accepting these arguments and still being upset -> and so on.

first the argument was like “he has a small budget and small team, so it makes sense to take a while to make a good quality video!” and like… fine.. he did put out working through intrusive thoughts which had a bunch of cool effects and props and equipment etc and showed that there was a lot of work going into the video that justified a few months of wait. (it was still annoying because it was supposedly “just an Asides” and it clearly did take time away from working on the next actual episode.)

but then he had the patreon and by this point the budget couldn’t really be an excuse? the idea was that with patreon not only videos like WTIT would exist, but that every video could be like that and they could come out just as often as before, because such a big production shouldn’t get in the way now that they had the money and the people to get it done efficiently. that is, unless thomas has a terrible business model where he still spends more than he earns despite probably earning enough to pay a good enough team if the money was well managed? i don’t know how much he earns but he was able to make putting others first and working through intrusive thoughts with no problem and the patron amount has only increased since then right? so that excuse didn’t really last.

then the main episode still didn’t come so the defense was “the pandemic obviously makes it harder to film.” which. of course it did. but then there were vaccines, restrictions were mostly over and thomas started putting out content where he did film with others, just not the main episode. okay. this excuse is now cancelled and then it must be something else.

then we have “thomas has health or personal issues that make him feel uncomfortable in front of the camera.” very reasonable. if he was in the filming stage and so the production of an already-written video had to be paused while he recovers. however. we later found out he is still in the writing stage, after three years.

and writing doesn’t need in-person meetings, it doesn’t need a huge budget further than what they pay for rent at their office and paying the writing team., it doesn’t need thomas to attend scheduled meetings and show a fake-happy face to thousands of viewers. personal issues could get in the way of thomas feeling motivated to write but he still has an entire team of writers and also it’s been three years… and he did make other scripted content in between and didn’t seem to have a problem with that. if it was an issue that made him sad enough to not want to write then after stretching the writing stage a few months then ,, by that point it would probably have been more productive for him to take a full break (letting the audience know) before coming back ready to work.

so. these excuses, mostly thought by the fans trying to justify the lack of videos, are actually very reasonable on their own. but when compared with the reality that time has shown us they seem to be just. excuses. and not actual reasons for the main episodes to come out. so two different conclusions can be taken from this:

1. there’s another problem* that we haven’t figured out yet (and in this sense it would be nice if thomas told us a bit more so we could at least have an idea of what this mysterious problem is. a lot of people in the ts criticism tag only wish thomas was more honest about whatever is going on).

*i personally believe this and i think the problem is simply that they’ve bitten off more than they can chew, which is something that thomas and joan do have a record with. like with the puppets episode. but they always have solved those problems that come with having ambitions bigger than their abilities and the result is always great so thomas’s team keeps doing it. but without thoughtful planning it might reach a point where this style is no longer sustainable and i think that’s what has happened with the finale. also made worse now by the lack of joan to improve the writing of the show. but that’s my own guess.

or 2. thomas is straight up lying with his updates. and he’s just. not working on the finale or working very slowly because he barely pays any attention to it. this is the conclusion (from what i see in the ts criticism tag) that a lot of people have come to. because they feel like every other reasonable explanation has been proved wrong and thomas’s lack of more explanations and defensiveness when anybody asks about sanders sides makes them think that he’s not willing to admit something, and that that something is that he doesn’t want to do the show anymore, despite still wanting to earn money and sell merch and leave the possibility open in case he does feel like doing the episode later.

again. i personally don’t believe this. but i understand where the idea comes from. i think thomas isn’t responsible for everything fanders assume about him but there is some blame to be placed on him for the distrust these fans now have on him. because he’s let actual years go by without a word about why writing the finale has taken so long, and because he’s so defensive when people ask about it. he can’t control everything fans think but he could have handled it better. he still could. but i don’t think he’s going to change anything and he’s just hoping to put out the video as soon as possible and let it speak for itself, and he’s hoping that with that people will just naturally come back and let the past go once it’s done. not a good idea imo. but that’s how it seems to be.

anyway. again i’m not looking for an argument. but you can comment your opinion if you like.

#sanders sides #thomas sanders #ts criticism #ts critical #ts crit #idk

[ts-crit]

Honestly I'd be happy if Thomas just posted the entire 4 part script of the last ss episode without recording anything. That way we could at least get solid closure for the series, we won't have to see him butcher the characters after not playing them for so long, and he won't have people asking about it any more (because we all know how he feels about that :/) and later if he decides he wants to make a full effort episode for it, then we'd at least be getting a better quality video than one he made just because he felt like he had to

But tbh I don't know if he'll be open to that idea because he probably feels like he owes us that last ep (which, he does, at least to his patreon doners) and will continue to push it off without any clear progress updates

#But maybe that's just me idk I'm sure some people would prefer he makes a full production ep but realistically I think hopes are past that #Plus I think it can only be disappointing after we've waited this long #ts crit #ts criticism #ts critical #thomas sanders crit #thomas sanders critical

[softestvirgil]

Genuinely, I want Thomas to know if he doesn't want to write Sanders Sides e doesn't have to

Whatever this is is much worse then just canceling it

I would have a lot more respect for him if he cancelled it instead of him stringing along his dwindling fan base with empty promises.

#ts critical #ts criticism #ts crit

[standingonborderline]

"there's a new sanders sides video!!"

#ts crit #ts critical #thomas sanders crit #thomas sanders critical #posted this on twitter but thought some people can make use of the meme here #ts criticism