#trans crocodile real

[meowquill]

perona is an honorary cross guild member to me cause in my heart she loves annoying mihawk and treats him like her dad

she follows mihawk around cause she knows he doesnt like it. he doesnt like having to try to explain his father-like relationship with perona to buggy and crocodile

but in a crocomom real au crocodile doesnt question it cause he just gets it

#trans crocodile real #i am oda its canon now #one piece #one piece fandom #crocomom #mihawk #op mihawk #one piece mihawk #perona #op perona #one piece perona #buggy #op buggy #one piece buggy #sir crocodile #op crocodile #one piece crocodile #cross guild

[sualne]

father.

(timeline)

#one piece #crocodile one piece #monkey d. luffy #crocodad au #my art #my comic #described in alt text #wanted to show the mortifying ordeal of coming out. especially to tiny kids who dont know too much if at all about transphobia and therefor #have the power to unknowingly obliterate you. some people noticed the 'i killed her' '''joke''' croc did in a previous comic was a ref to #parents who blame their trans kid for 'killing' their real children by being trans. in this au one of the reasons why croc is so #distrustful of others is because he was outed and his family wasnt too epic about it.

[tinta--branca--art]

His evil trans swag has captivated me

#one piece #one piece fanart #sir crocodile #op crocodile #one piece crocodile #trans crocodile #idk the tags for op forgive me #ive been rotating him in my mind so so much it's silly #my beloved friend keeps answering my 'when does he appear again' questions and i keep forgetting #i keep doing the same w doffy ngl i think the evil dilfs of op just have some kind of grip on me #anyway !! yes ! trans crocodile is so so real to me happy pride <3 #tintabrancaart

[irlkisukeurahara]

"why would you want to claim (insert anime character) for the trans community? They're a bad person beca-"

I don't appreciate this insistence that transgender people have to be a good person to be valid. Transgender people are just as likely to be good-for-nothing pieces of shit as everyone else. Why do we all have to be "pure soft good boys" to be enough for you? It's a fictional character anyways, why must they adhere to real life standards?

#rambles with miles #giselle bleach #giselle gewelle #bleach #anime #bleach anime #tybw #bleach tybw #crocomom #crocodile #crocodile one piece #one piece #one piece anime #i am not even far enough to understand the crocomom theory yet #but i see this a lot in the 'anti-crocomon' group of peolle #'why would he be trans and luffy's mom he tried to kill him' buddy bad people exist #why do you think that this fictional villain would be tied down by realistic real life human morality #ya know???

[beanghostprincess]

crocodad but both crocodile and dragon are trans, crocodile got full ivankov's hormone therapy, meanwhile dragon got navy-sponsored medical transition and was comfortable with his body by the time he left and started the revolutionaries/met ivankov and didn't really see a point in changing anything more

You're so real for this

#every character in op is trans i love it #this is real to me now #one piece #sir crocodile #monkey d dragon #crocodad

[dontdierobb]

MY TRANS CROCODILE THEORY MIGHT BE REAL IN THE LIVE ACTION OP SHOW

#TRANS CROCODILE REAL?????????????????

[dracoolmihawk]

Transmasc crocodile theory my beloved 🥲😍😍😍😤

#one piece #crocodile one piece #sir crocodile #trans crocodile #transgender #if oda isnt a coward itll be real

[taniushka12]

trans crock real.........................................................................

#tani's personal shit #going into the anime after hearing this theory changed me as a person. maybe crocodile IS trans in canon for real for real #one piece #also i love ivankov. LOVE that fella

[constructwork]

#one piece #one piece theory #boa hancock #dracule mihawk #shichibukai #seven warlords #One piece 1059 #the only one piece theories I’m inclined to believe in are the ones that reference real world mythology and other media #and trans crocodile please yes #sir crocodile #also this game predicting the Mihawk and Crocodile alliance? there’s something going on with this theory for real

[spock-smokes-weed]

One thing I’ve been struggling with in my AU is that since I’m primarily pulling from soap operas, I had to have some kind of more extreme B plot going on.

I feel like the story would be kinda boring if the focus was only on Sanji and Zoro 100% of the time. Like I’ve said before, there’s only so much plot you can create from two idiots getting pregnant, and you need some space between the drama to let it breath and simmer.

I knew I’d want to shift to Nami and Usopp for a bit with their “I’m stuck going in circles” kind of predicament, but even that felt more suited for C plot stuff.

I knew the B plot had to center Luffy because he’s still built like an anime protagonist, and it had to involve him being a menace to society somehow. And I think I figured it out.

Since the setting is a small tourist town, I could go the “big developer is trying to move into town and give the residence a bad deal to pave over their homes” route cus it’s a tried and true classic of cheesy soap type stuff. Also I have a lot of personal experience of seeing my home get bulldozed for big expensive development.

Luffy essentially terrorizes this business guy (Sir Crocodile) away from trying to take a hold of the town. And the business guy being very powerful, tries to stomp out Luffy through any means necessary. I also wanna do some stuff with Luffy vs. local law enforcement because again he’s seems a menace to society.

Also yes I am making Crocodile the main villain cus A. It’s a similar situation to Alabasta so Croc seems like a good fit. and B. soap operas love a good secret parent twist, and I love the Dadodile theory :3

There’s nothing quiet like soap operas where the main plot is the slow burn romance, and the B plot is dark money and organized crime.

#one piece #one piece sound au #monkey d. luffy #sir crocodile #a/b/o #omegaverse #also I’d keep croc being trans but in my own a/b/o kind of way #he presented as an omega #had luffy with dragon and then started living his life socially as an alpha #and if I have zoro on one hand a my ‘totally cool with being pregnant and is excited by having a baby’ trans experience #then on the other I have croc as ‘being pregnant was dysphoric and they never wanted to be a parent’ trans experience #maybe luffy was a result of croc not being able to get an abortion #I really flip flop back and forth on how much *real* topics I want to touch on in my fanfic #cus on one hand they’re important to be #but also I don’t want to trivialize #but reproductive health is important to me #so is trans health care #and trans men getting access to abortion is a real issue so maybe croc’s tragic backstory could be a place to explore that #tho I don’t know if luffy being the result of an unwanted pregnancy would make ppl uncomfortable #but it’s also the way reality shakes out sometimes :/ #idk I’m still brainstorming is anyone is reading these tags

[theposhperyton]

All evidence suggests yes

#starting a new power scaling system for the warlords of the sea but im rating them based on whether i think theyre an ally or homophobic #kuma is an ally because photos dont lie and hes clearly wearing an ally pin #also you cant spend that much time around somebody with the title “Queen of the Queers” and somehow be homophobic afterwards #unless youre sanji but hes still on his internalized homophobia growth arc. i believe in you buddy you can beat this #crocodile is trans and baroque works is the alphabet mafia in a literal form #with that said. he has the energy of “im not homophobic yall are just annoying” #doffy has the energy of a homophobic homosexual #like hed kiss a guy and then call him a f*g and throw him out a nearby window #jimbei joins the strawhats so ofc HES an ally #blackbeard sucks but i dont think hes homophobic #hes one of those people you meet and theyre just the worst all around and youre like “man this guy has gotta be homophobic” #somebody mentions their partner and you go “oh boy here it is” but he just has no reaction whatsoever #hes such a problem but at least hes not homophobic on top of everything else #Gecko Moria is such a virgin that i dont think he knows being gay exists any more than he knows being straight does #Typa MFer who thinks “sex” is just a synonym for gender #also hed see your top scars and get excited because he thinks youre a zombie #gecko moria probably thinks LGBT is an acronym for some branch of the navy that he doesnt know (or care) about #Because Boa lives on Sapphic island i would jump the gun and immediately say she's an ally but i feel that its more complicated than that #not unlike moria. she also doesnt actually have a real strong grasp on being straight vs being queer #but thats just because shes used to everybody being whipped for her equally #somebody tries to explain it to her and shes just like “??? but theyre all obsessed with me?” #if she ever encounters a gay man it will be a reality shifting event for her #id say itd be the same if she met a sex/romance indifferent aroace but like #monkey d luffy #its already happened #mihawk is probably both an ally and queer himself but he just minds his own business so much that we may never know #one piece #seven warlords #warlords of the sea #bartholomew kuma

[elftwink]

maybe i’m deeply desensitized and a total bastard from being online for too long but one thing about me is i do not feel sorry for troll blogs who intentionally post very inflammatory takes and then two days later start crying about getting death threats like we’re all supposed to now comfort them and apologize for the “crazy sjw woke mob” or what the fuck ever. sorry but lmaoooo. like nobody should get death threats for any reason obviously BUT considering you’re on the semi anonymous website with no names or identifying information where people send death threats to one another over children’s cartoons... if you’re going to post about how you “understand incels” you’re going to need thicker skin you cannot be folding the second someone hits you with an anonymous “go die”. everybody here (including you) knows that while your “death threats” are cruel and inappropriate, they ALMOST NEVER constitute an actionable threat on your safety or life and you look stupid pretending to actually feel threatened by the ‘snowflakes’ you spent days calling weak and sensitive. you are not going to get me with a “so much for the tolerant left” grift when we are on the website literally known for being overly hostile over nothing at all. AND you started it by being cruel and inappropriate yourself so like two wrongs don’t make a right but like. why did you start something you couldn’t finish

like if you get on here and intentionally try to stir the pot do not come fucking crying to me when you get burned. if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. crying because someone sent you an ask that said ‘i hope you die’ you would never have survived 2013 tumblr. sjws will outlive you and spit on your grave. bye

#good idea generator #want to be clear i'm talking about a very specific set of circumstances here #i obviously think there are cases where threats are actionable and need to be taken seriously #as well as cases where they aren't but they're so frequent and damaging that they constitute sustained harassment #even if the person making the threats could not possibly follow through #HOWEVER. what i am talking about here is people who make blogs that intentionally take very fringe opinions #usually either extremely conservative and bigoted or a pretend 'sjw' blog w/nonsense opinions trying to make a specific group look bad #(ie like impersonating a trans person and parroting extreme views that no real trans person holds but right wingers think we do) #will spend DAYS talking shit saying bigoted things in every set of tags fighting w/people etc etc #and then suddenly does a 180 posts a screenshot of some anons and starts crying about how the harrassment and cruelty are too much #and how this proves that actually the left isn't so tolerant and never discusses their ideas blah blah blah #and like. i dont want to downplay that the asks these people get do tend to be vulgar and cruel #but no matter what they say im always like oh inch resting so you poked a sleeping bear and it went for your throat? wild haha #and they're always like I DESERVE AN APOLOGY. SOMEONE APOLOGIZE FOR HOW THESE PPL BEHAVED #like. you're not getting that and you're not getting sympathy either. that shit is none of MY business. ms karma has it all taken care of #crocodile tears also. like not once have i seen one of these posts where i actually believed the person was genuinely affected #it's 100% a ploy to get out of the hole they dug themselves into #after they realized nobody likes you if you're intentionally hostile and shitty. they're trying to play to sympathies and it won't work #because i am a leftist but i am first and foremost a rude mean bitch #like either they're grifting and being knowingly hypocritical which is what i think is happening mostly #OR. they genuinely see a major difference between the cruelty they put out and the cruelty they get back #like fully incapable of understanding that they have been subjecting people to the exact same hostility they're getting now #and that's actually almost worse so i do not feel sorry for those people either #if you're gonna be stupid you better be tough!

[scatterbrainedbot]

I AM SPINNING I AM PACING I AM FULL ON FROLICKING IM SO EXCITED

@d1sc0rd1a THANK U FOR THESE TAGS

okayokayokayokay so pretty much all of these questions will be Officially Answered properly in the character design/intro pages im working on but also i am physically vibrating with excitement about the fact that you noticed all these details and i have very little self control so! lore dump time!!!

(minor tw for mentions of leos self-harm/self-destructive anxious behaviors and unhealthy coping skills)

- mikey does indeed have curly fur! i believe he would be considered a 'rex' rat (pictured on the left) for this trait? though the curls can be more easily seen on mice (pictured on the right). or, at least it seems that way. have not delved too deeply into the details of rodent genes and husbandry, but id assume its the same sort of mutation considering curly haired mice are also referred to as rex sometimes? either way hes a extra floofy bby 🧡

-as for raphie, unfortunately being more fluff and less shell than the average rapheal comes with its downsides. especially if you and your brothers occasionally encounter things like territorial dogs, hungry cats, or sewer crocodiles while exploring places ur dad said not supposed to go. (most of his scars will have more ninja related stories, but his ear i think got messed up from something very animal. probably around age 11 ish? old enough to sneak out from dads protection but young enough to not fully know how to handle himself alone against real danger. thankfully his ear injury looks worse than it actually is for the most part, as the damage was largely to the outer ear. his hearing wasnt super affected, except that he now has a bit of a harder time being able to track/pinpoint noises origins if its on his right side.)

-also yep! dons got some glasses that just clip/rest on the bridge of his nose! theyre mostly just for home use, as they do fall off if hes knocked around. in the field he has some goggles he tends to use (theyre helpful as they have multiple additional functions like heat-imaging, extra zoom/telescoping, and recording capabilities. but also theyll give him headaches if he wears them for too long without breaks). contacts are theoretically also an option but he absolutely hates the sensation of putting them in. so sometimes when hes tired he'll just not bother with either clips or goggles and just squint and struggle. leo hates when he does that lol.

-speaking of leo, he is def an anxious baby :) he has a few patches of fur missing on his hand cos he has the tendency to tug on it while hes thinking. he yanked and chewed on his own tail a lot when he was younger too, which is why when hes older he usually wears some wraps to cover the scars left from that behavior. he finds those scars specifically to be kinda embarrassing and shameful because they werent from any battle or life-lesson, just his own 'inability to control himself'. all of his brothers have repeatedly called him out on the fact that that is not a healthy way to think about his anxiety or mental health, but leo insists hes fine. hes kinda convinced himself that a proper warrior always has control over his own body* and his own thoughts, thus he should be able to just like willpower-brute-force his way into 'being better'. (this line of thinking pisses raph off so much he has to leave and go hit something)

Splinter also tries to talk him through some of that internalized guilt/shame/everything, but splinters very metaphorical, poetic, and indirect when it comes to talking about Big Things, which combined with how much leo gets caught in his own head, makes it kinda hard to gauge how much these talks actually help

*this is made extra fun considering leos also ftm trans, so he is faced with a body that fundamentally disobeys him perhaps more than the average rat-man.

-and im still going back and forth between a few species for splinter, but im leaning mostly towards an African Spurred Tortoise! they have these beautiful if kinda subtle geometric shell patterns and are the third largest species of tortoise in the world. the only thing that doesnt fit perfectly with Splints is that (allegedly) their lifespan in captivity is around 50ish years, whereas im p sure Tortoise Splinter is well over 75, probably closer to 90 when the boys are born and hes mutated into Old Man Papa.

but maybe hes just a particularly long lasting African Spurred Tortoise.

the Hamato family has taken very good care of him for many decades after all. :)

(well. until everything all fell apart, that is.....)

#tmnt #rat sons #my art #tmnt au #literally bouncing around the room thinking about this all #my downstairs neighbors are gonna hate me #ask reply #sort of??? #pats leos fucked up lil head #this bad boy can fit so much projection #get out of ur head idiot ur family loves and wants to help u #also looking at the chaco tortoise and ploughshare tortoise for splinter thoboth of those are smaller species than i think he is

[certainty2witch]

Pls read before clicking the pics!!

Croco is having a body dysphoria moment in this drawing and the description under the sketches is about his life, so pls if you are sensible to pre-transitions and transphobic (Croco father was) thematics, skip my post 🙏🏻

In my imaginary Crocodile as a child, wasn’t accepted in his father’s crew since as a afab he wasn’t allowed (his father never accepted him being a trans boy, he always used female pronouns and also his deadname).

Then he met Ivan, around 24/25 y.o., they reminded him who he always was no matter what, and totally supported him.

I personally thinks the scar was self induced, you know like Luffy did. Maybe for proving to his father that he is a man (the father believed in things like: “a real man can handle pain”)

After Iva used his powers on him, well he felt finally complete.

I guess he has fr a huge debt with Iva.

Pls if i said something wrong, correct me!

#the father was a disgusting man #one piece #sir crocodile #crocodile one piece #emporio ivankov #ivankov #one piece ivankov #my art #sketch

[shalpilot]

what are some of your favorite one piece headcanons?

oh boy anon youve opened the floodgates

-Croc trans

-Killer trans

-Luffy cannot read (real)

-Mihawk cannot read (funny)

-Kid w/freckles. just likies it.

-vitiligo Law

-If you convince Luffy he can do something stupid he will pull it off. im talking like if you paint a good enough mural on a wall he can run right through it. this one is sorta canon but like. let's get real silly with it

-Colorblind Crocodile (just a fun concept that accidentally works)

-Captain trio all got diff flavors of autism

-My girlfriend says Law ARFID

-Doflamingo only has one eye (CANON TO ME I MEAN . HEAVILY IMPLIED)

-Sabo British accent. absolutely appalled this one isn't canon

-girlfriend also says "kidkiller piss in the same urinal simultaneously"

i have like. a lot of personal silly ones but they're like. only banging around my head and they'll get mentioned eventually . someday

#ask shal

[moongothic]

Yeah hello hi I've been falling deep into the Crocodad Rabbithole and my brain is being consumed by small crocodile-shaped worms

So I've done what any reasonable person would do, I went back to rewatch some scenes from Alabasta and Marinford to psychoanalyze Crocodile and try to figure out what the fuck his deal is because genuinely the more I think about it the more questions I have and the more I want answers. And because I'm deranged I need to write all my thoughts down into an incoherent essay and release it into the world

So please, come along with me while and let's be Extremely Normal About Sir Crocodile Together and speculate about his ~Secret Past~

Quick note, my quickest access to some of these episodes is either through unsubbed episodes (not bothering with getting screenshots since there's no subs, also my Japanese is plenty good enough to not need it here) or through Ancient, Questionable Fansubs so don't get too hung up on the phrasing in the subbed screenshots- like they're not entirely inaccurate but y'know

The reason I want to do this is just that... Like I've been a fan of OP since 2008, when I was in middle school. I don't think I ever really tried to think deeper about this series in general at that time, because I was a kid. For a long time to me Crocodile had just been Some Greedy Asshole who tried to take over a country to obtain a tool of mass destruction and IDK destroy the world? Just a very classic Bad Guy McVillianMan, because I had not bothered to think about his character and question anything before.

But now I have brainworms due to the Crocodad Theory, and this is fucking One Piece, you never fucking know how deep a rabbithole can go with this bloody series. So let's go, let's try to figure out what the fuck is Crocodile's deal, because I need to get these brainworms out of my fucking system

I just want to start with this one quick throw-away line because it's kind of a sidenote. Also like. This is such a funny fucking thing for Crocodile to say if he is Luffy's dad. Like.

That's so fucking funny if he's Luffy's dad holy shit

But what really gets me here is that like... Like while I'm like 70% sure Crocodile is trans, there's still a part of me that's like "there's no fucking way Crocodad is real". Let alone, this be some kind of a hint Oda planted to suggest that this early on. Like it sounds absurd. And yet at this point in One Piece, Oda had already started planning out and laying out the groundwork for so many lore and plot-relevant concepts, ranging from shit like everything about Robin, the Poneglyphs, the Ancient Weapons etc. He had already started the "Prince Sanji ARG" (aka dropping the tiniest fucking hints to Sanji's Hidden Backstory that people were able to pick up on and make accurate predictions with about Sanji's backstory). There's fucking Laboon, and about a bajillion other things. And possibly most importantly, by this point Oda had already revealed both Luffy's father and grandfather to the readers, not to mention he even introduced Ace and vaguely hinted at Sabo! It's not like Oda had everything perfectly planned out from the very begining, that is objectively not the case at all. But it also literally would not be unlike Oda to drop hints to a character's backstory like this. He has been doing that for years, and had already started by the time we met Crocodile. Like it feels insane and yet it's perfectly plausible. And if he had Luffy's dad, grandfather and two siblings planned out in his head already at this point, it should not be that much of a stretch to believe that Oda knows and no doubt has known for the past two decades who Luffy's mom is (regardless of if that's Crocodile or not)

All this to say. Crocodile's comment about what Cobra said to Vivi when they reunited is a funny, sarcastic comment. But it would take a whole new meaning if Crocodad was real. Because it really would be perfectly normal if he did/had wondered what he would say to his long lost child if they were ever reunited. And really that just makes his roast turn sad.

Anyways

In Alabasta, we do get a very clear image that Crocodile does not like the World Government, not just because he's a Big Meanie Pirate who wants to conquer the world, but because he does seem to look down on how the Marines + World Government do their "justice" (which, y'know, knowing what we know now about the Government. Fair. That's entirely fair.)

He also dislikes Vivi's "idealism" of wanting to save everyone without bloodshed or anyone losing their lives (especially for her sake)

We learn that he is a broken man with broken dreams. Also he seems to be aware where he (supposedy) belongs in the Grand Line's power hierarchy, as in, he needs Pluton because he knows he's not strong enough in combat that he could take down anyone, let alone the World Government by himself (though he would still make a beeline for Whitebeard's head the second he saw him at Marinford, which, y'know, bold move)

And of course, we learn in Impel Down that Crocodile and Iva-chan have some beef. We can not say for 100% sure what that beef is (like the theory he's trans is very obvious and plausible, but until Oda spills the beans we won't know for a fact what the beef is), but we know that they knew each other. And if Crocodile knew Iva-chan, a high-ranking founding member of the Revolutionary Army, then it is genuinely plausible that Crocodile could also have known Dragon and/or been a member of the Revolutionary Army as well.

Since overthrowing the World Nobles and the Government are the Revolutionary Army's goal, the fact that they're trying to obtain weapons and people for their cause etc, Crocodile's view of the Government and his "Operation Utopia" does kind of align with the Revolutionary Army's

But we did also learn from Iva that "Crocoboy" isn't quite trustworthy. Needless to say, even if Croc used to be a part of the Army, he most certainly left YEARS ago, and clearly not on good terms.

Also, an interesting note, is that at Marineford when Luffy and co finally arrive at the battlefield (episode 466, 17:25 minutes in), when Garp spots the group, he makes a specific comment about Crocodile being there together with the revolutionaries and the prison escapees, believing they can't all be here to fight for the same cause. Which is an interesting thing for him to point out specifically. Like Jinbei was another powerful person who entered that battlefield at the same time, and while Jinbei did clarify to Sengoku that he's quitting being a Shichibukai and was there to save Ace, it's still maybe a little odd Garp didn't think it was worth mentioning that Jinbei had also "allied" with the prison escapees and the revolutionaries to enter the battlefield. Like it was Crocodile only whom he thought needed to be pointed out. I don't think Garp's comment adds at all to Crocodad because it would frankly make little to no sense (like we're all assuming Crocodile didn't know Dragon's lastname, which is why he never realized Luffy was his son (despite knowing Luffy's lastname), but if Crocodile knew Garp was Dragon's father then surely he'd realize Dragon's lastname would be Monkey, right), but it could maybe add to the idea that Crocodile might've been a part of the Revolutionary Army in the past, as Garp could be aware of something like that, thus he'd be puzzled by Crocodile's presencee. Point is, it's an interesting comment, make of it what you will

EDIT 2: Ended up going back to reread parts of Marineford and turns out ^that^ was an anime-only addition from Toei. Like Garp does make a comment about how these people probs aren't at the battlefield for the same reasons but did not specifically point out Crocodile or anything. So. I wasted enough time adding these paragraphs to the post, I ain't deleting 'em. But y'know.

EDIT: Minor addition, because I just remembered how Crocodile really went like out of his way to taunt Vivi about how she "can't stop the rebellion" and save her people. Which, y'know, is a perfectly normal Villian Thing To Do. But we know Crocodile does not think fondly of the World Nobles just like he dislikes the Government. Even if Cobra was a "good monarch" who genuinely cared for his people, he was still a king, and the Nefertari family and the Kingdom of Alabasta were a part of the World Government. The thing Crocodile specifically wanted to destroy. And this is just another one of those "surely that wasn't somekinda foreshadowing" but god fucking dammit what if Crocodile telling a(n unknowing) representative of the World Government that she can't stop "the rebellion", or the revolution if I may, (regardless of if he's allied with them or not) was actually meant to be like foreshadowing. Oda I swear to fucking god---

Anyway, so, Crocodile might've been a part of the Revolutionary Army at one point (the army was formed after the Ohara Incident 22 years ago, and for Crocodad Theorizing, Luffy was born 19 years ago), but if he did he must have left on bad terms for unknown reasons, and we can tell that although his goals in general could vaguely match that of the Revolutionaries, his methods most certainly don't.

Whether or not his methods and his worldview tie to his leaving the Army is unknown. Because we don't really know when and how his worldview was formed.

Like did Crocodile leave the Army because he became a cynical asshole who was willing to make any kind of sacrifice for his goals (thus he no longer fit in with the rest of the Revolutionary Army), realized he was far too weak to ever become Pirate King and thus decided to go looking for Pluton? Or did Crocodile suggest to the Army they should try to obtain an Ancient Weapon to keep casulties to a minimum (still in line with the Army), only ending up getting kicked out (big weapon bad), and soon realizing he had no chance at making a change in the world without "cracking a few eggs"?

Like it doesn't nececarily make a massive difference,, since the end result is still the same, but it does kind of affect the context and how one might view him, right

Of course, there's then the Forbidden Third Option, that Crocodile left due to

Gender issues (internalized shame of being trans and not having it in him to stay around people who had known him)

Postpartum depression

Dragon just divorced Crocodile either due to being straight (in a sad, accepting way) or due to being simply unaccepting and frankly homophobic, regardless, Crocodile leaves with a broken heart

Something else and/or a combo of the above, really, we could speculate endlessly here about what could've happened

(Though I will say that Crocodile's '"trust issues"' and how he views people as disposable could like. I dunno. Be explained if he had gone through some heartbreak and was left permanently unable to open up to people, let alone trust anyone)

I dunno, there's a lot of options, a lot of things to considder.

But there is one more thing that I do want to note on as it could potentially debunk the Crocodad Theory entirely.

It's that Iva-chan didn't know Dragon had a son.

(Episode 441, 9:50 minutes) By which I mean, Iva-chan wasn't shocked to find out Luffy was Dragon's son, rather, they were shocked there was a son to begin with. (To the point they thought Ace was also Dragon's son until Luffy cleared it up for them later) While it's not a massive leap to believe that Crocodile and Dragon knew each other (since Crocodile knew Iva-chan), nor is it a massive leap to believe that Iva-chan transed Crocodile's gender after having Luffy... It does become a bit of a leap to believe Iva-chan didn't know about Dragon having a child with Crocodile before giving Croc the Magic HRT. Like if they had a relationship that resulted in a baby and a divorce, how did Iva not know about any of it, especially when it's more than likely that Iva could not have transitioned Crocodile until after the baby was born (let's not think about how Iva-chan's powers would work on a pregnant person too much)

We do also get this flashback (in episode 441, immidiately after Luffy reveals his dad's identity to Iva) where Iva-chan questions Dragon about how he always stares out towards East Blue when the wind blows, wondering if Dragon has family out there whom he's thinking about (Dragon refusing to comment on it). This does very much confirm that regardless of who Dragon had Luffy with, Iva has no fucking clue who, where and how any of that happened. And althought I personally feel like Iva not knowing would debunk Crocodad, if Crocodile still somehow was Luffy's dad, Iva-chan would canonically not know about it. If Iva didn't know Dragon had a relationship that resulted in a baby, then regardless of if Iva even knew Crocodile got pregnant once, they would not be able to connect those dots.

Now let's be clear, there's many potential scenarios where Crocodad could still be real, scenarios that could explain why and how Iva-chan didn't know about Luffy nor about Dragon and Crocodile having a relationship*. Like it would not be difficult at all to come up with an explanation for it. But in my mind, I feel like the more you have to figure out and explain how the theory could still be plausible, the less plausible it actually feels. Like the more I need to go out of my way to explain it, the more forced it seems.

*(For example, maybe the two kept their relationship a secret, and when Crocodile got pregnant he """left on a mission""" that happened to take like 4-10 months, during the time realizing he was trans. Once the baby had arrived he returned the baby to Dragon in secret for him to deal with, got a divorce for one reason or another*, and sought out Iva-chan to start a new life, Iva thus never found out about anything, just knew that Crocodile left one day after coming out. Like that's one plausible scenario.)

*Hey remember the potential Forbidden Reasons to why Crocodile might've left the Army? What if it was Dragon's and/or Crocodile's idea? Remember how when Jinbei is trying to escape Marinford with the unconcious Luffy, Crocodile tells Jinbei to do better job at "protecting those he wants to protect", a line that felt really sudden and odd coming from Crocodile of all people? What if the two knew their child would be in grave danger if he was ever raised within the army (absolutely not a place for a baby)? What if they knew their baby would become a target for the World Government to hunt, much like Roger's lost child was, if the Government found out Dragon had a baby? What if they wanted to make sure nothing bad ever happened to their baby and were willing to do anything to protect the baby? Even if it meant they'd never see their child grow up? Even if it meant hiding your child from your best friend, pretending to have a horrible fallout with them and transing your gender because Oda doesn't know what gender dysphoria is? Just so nobody would ever find out you had a child?

Mind you. I do not want anybody to think this is an actual argument for Crocodad. Like I could write a dozen different fanfics about how Crocodile could be Luffy's other dad, and they would all be just as much pure speculation with nothing to support them as the above suggestions. It is an example of what could have happened, and a deeply interesting thought, but it is just a theory at best.

In the end, it doesn't really matter though, because until the day Oda reveals Luffy's mom and/or Crocodile's backstory to us, we will truly never know for sure What The Fuck Crocodile's Deal Is

And I'll be just stuck with these brainworms, making myself sad by thinking about sad scenarios where Crocodad could be real, because truly, if it's canon, ain't no way it won't be sad

EDIT 3: Originally I thought it'd be good enough if I just rewatched some parts here and there, but in the end I just fucking absolutely caved the fuck in and went and reread The Good Parts of Marineford. Mainly because I knew I was forgetting things and Toei adding/changing things can affect a character reading. Also it was just going to be easier to go through the manga and literally just all of Crocodile's scenes into an image folder for easier browsing, mainly because there's so much shit that happens between those scattered scenes it can be hard to like focus on one thing (especially if you're trying to specifically FIND those scattered scenes and appearances)

So yeah. Coming back a few days later to add shit to this god forsaken post. I need help

Actually changed my mind and made a separate post to continue this nonsense, enjoy

#Moon posting #One Piece #Sir Crocodile #I am being so very normal about Crocodile #So SO very normal #I'm sorry this is so fucking incoherent I just can not form a coherent thought about this for the life of me #Also sorry I had to use random OP reaction pics. This was a long ass post and I desperately needed to break up the text walls somehow #For the record while I doubt Crocodad is real I am 100000% emotionally invested in it and WANT it to be real #I'm just not convinced Oda can write a trans character this fucking nuanced #And I think I'd prefer Crocodad not being real over Crocodad being real but Stupid and/or Transphobic #Which fucking sucks because genuinely. Crocodad easily has the potential to be the one of the most tragic backstories in the series #But I don't trust Oda. And that's why I'm so doubtful above all else #Anyway yeah Crocodile has made me completely deranged someone please help #My brain needs to be vacuumed or something to get rid of the worms #OP Meta