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youallruinmylife · 6 years

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Friendly Remind that John Winchester Wasn’t Some Nice Guy who Changed Over Night

Recently I had a conversation with another Supernatural fan. We were discussing John Winchester’s parenting, and how some people believe John was a nice guy in the first season until the writers changed the originally intended purpose of John’s character. I’d just to like to take a moment right now to say John Winchester being a bad parent is nothing new. John Winchester was not father of the year season one, nor was he former father of the year for season two. The writers didn’t create some happy go lucky, fun loving, emotionally intelligent, understanding father and then decide to change him for plot purposes.

I think we can all agree that yes, John is a complicated character who can’t simply be ‘all good’ or ‘all bad.’ Complexity is part of what makes characters interesting- one sided, never developing characters are boring and don’t last very long. John watched his wife, the woman he loved, burn alive on the ceiling of his infant son’s bedroom- of course the guy was going to make mistakes. He was definitely put in a horrible situation, and John only did what he thought was best. John kept his sons with him (except for those stretches of three of four days when the boys would be alone but hey whatever) because he wanted to make sure they were safe. John trained his boys so they could protect themselves if they were ever in the situation that John could not protect his boys (and it definitely came in handy) because he thought that was for the best. John gave his boys the weapons to protect themselves and the knowledge to know how to do so because he thought it was best.

But did John really think it was for the best to give his eight year old son alcohol? ”But it was probably just a taste,” readers shout. “What kid doesn’t want to ‘be a man’ like his dad? It’s not uncommon for kids to have a sip of alcohol once or twice in their childhood! Everybody loves Bobby and he was the town drunk!”

John drank too much, he raised one son who drank too much and two sons who grew up thinking alcohol was a coping mechanism for failures. See 3x10 Dream a Little Dream of Me.

Dean: There you are. What are you doing?

Sam: Having a drink.

Dean: It's two in the afternoon. You're drinking whiskey?

Sam: I drink whiskey all the time.

Dean: No, you don't.

Sam: What's the big deal? You get sloppy in bars, you hit on chicks all the time. Why can't I?

Dean: It's kind of slim pickings around here. What's going on with you?

Sam: I tried, Dean.

Dean: To do what?

Sam: To save you. I mean, where you're going... what you're gonna become. I can't stop it.

See how the Winchesters work? Failure to protect family at all costs= personal failure, personal failure= inexcusable wrongdoing, inexcusable wrongdoing= sadness, sadness= no closure that’s for sure because emotions are only for women because only women have feelings and being like a woman is wrong? All of that = drinking instead of honestly discussing feelings or, you know, something which is actually healthy and productive. And of course that kind of mentality has tainted their relationships with other characters (Dean and Sam are responsible for their own choices but how much easier would it be for them to communicate with each other and others if they had been raised to honest and open?).

“But Cas didn’t even show up until season four, John didn’t have an impact on his son’s lack of friends!”

*cough*

...Whether you like John or not, we can all agree that Dean’s main coping mechanism is drinking.

“John wasn’t actually an alcoholic- we never even saw him drink! That’s something new that the writers made up!

Dean: Um. Dad hasn't been home in a few days.

Sam: So he's working overtime on a Miller Time shift. He'll stumble back in sooner or later.

- THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE SHOW

You can see the impact John had over his sons long before he died, even when John was alive things were difficult. There were lines the boys did not cross, things they did not say, things they did not do. And one man they were not supposed to question

I’ll just... leave these here.

(Dean protecting Sam from their dad because Dean will always protect Sam, Sam arguing with John because he’s watched Dean be belittled his entire life and let me tell you that does not make for a comfortable sibling-parent relationship because you see your parent as a threat to your sibling, a threat to someone you love. In this case, not only did Sam love Dean but Dean was his parent. So Sam grew up watching John yell at Dean and belittle him as they drove around the country, Sam watched John abuse his big brother, his caretaker, his best friend.)

And John’s huge emphasis on family and loyalty caused Sam and Dean to think it was wrong to pursue individual happiness, that going after what you want (for example, a career as a lawyer, a loving possible future fiancé, making friends, etc) was selfish and a waste of time. I mean Sam’s “rebellious phase” was going to school...

Dean: And that's why you ran away.

Sam: I was just going to college. It was Dad who said if I was gonna go I should stay gone. And that's what I'm doing.

Dean: Yeah, well, Dad's in real trouble right now. If he's not dead already. I can feel it.

Sam spent his entire life trying to fit in, all he ever did was study for school- to get into one of the best school’s in the country- and all of his hard work that his father responded to with “If you’re gonna go you should stay gone” is brushed off with a single, “Yeah, well.” AKA Your personal accomplishments don’t matter Sammy because we were raised thinking that happiness lived and died with family.

When Sam (Sam, who never got to have a relationship with his mom; Sam, who spent his entire life switching schools; Sam, who had to start over on different curriculum with new kids and new teachers his entire life; Sam, who always argued with his dad and didn’t feel comfortable telling him anything; Sam, whose childhood was consumed with “being a freak”) was finally benefiting from his years of hard work and was able to proudly (but he probably didn’t say it proudly because school wasn’t what John wanted for Sam so of course he wouldn’t be proud of Sam’s work) say he was accepted into one of the best schools in the entire country with a FULL RIDE, what does his dad do? His dad tells him to get out, to leave the only family- the only life- he’s ever known, and stay gone.

Don’t forget that even if Sam gave up everything he had spent his entire life working towards (Stanford, being a lawyer, being with college friends, working through what happened to Jess instead of hunting) it wouldn’t have been enough because Sam had demon blood in him, Sam was evil.

Anything outside of the norm is considered a monster and monsters are wrong.

Yes, it was canon that a father told his eldest son he would have to murder his little brother (John’s baby, a child) if he became something John wouldn’t want him to be.

So aside from the whole ‘all of your accomplishments are selfish, wanting anything for yourself mean you’re selfish and want people to die, I’m going to abuse your big brother in front of you as you grow up because that won’t complicate our relationship, you know when I’m not abusing/neglecting you, oh and also I’m okay with you being murdered if it comes down to it and what you are is wrong and evil’ John and Sam apparently had the better of the two father son relationships?

Don’t even get me started on Dean.

‘You’re still not good enough, Dean. You ruined this car, you ruined something I gave to you- I wouldn’t have given you the impala if I knew you were going to ruin it. If you don’t touch up your car (do as I say) it’ll get even worse, because the only right way to do things is my way. If you’re not pleasing John Winchester then what you’re doing has no value or purpose.’

Maybe if John looked around once in a while he could see that his children

are really good

smart

caring people

who deserve better.

And I’m all about family loyalty but we’ve seen over and over and over again that if Dean or Sam were to lose one another they would feel personally responsible, they would blame themselves for the work of demons or angels or monsters- because it’s their job, their responsibility to look out for one another, to save one another. They will always be responsible for one another, if something happens to one of them it is automatically the other brother’s fault.

No Sam, don’t you get it? Can’t you see how Dean (a child) was responsible for you, not your dad who was god knows where?

That’s not poor parenting, oh no.

... You see how this thinking is kind of unhealthy?

‘Sorry I couldn’t find a way to bring your dead body back to life, this is clearly my fault because obviously bringing a dead person back to life is super easy. I didn’t save you; I didn’t protect my family so I’m a failure.’

And this is just the first two seasons! I didn’t even get to

this

or this

or this (Because living any other kind of life- not being a hunter- would mean failing to save people, it would mean innocent people would die due to Sam or Dean’s selfish desires. Wanting a happy life= selfishness)

or this

(“And when dad got home...”) or this.

The writers didn’t “change John’s character” they just explored how it affected his sons.

#supernatural #spn #supernatural rant #John Winchester was not a good dad #Dean Winchester #Sam Winchester #Dean and Sam Winchester were abused #John Winchester was abusive #the CW #the CW supernatural #angry fangirl #dean winchester deserves better #Sam Winchester deserves better #hunting

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truly-soulmates · 7 years

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Update on the Supernatural AU Part 1

Since it’s been a while since I posted the idea for this AU so I thought I’d give an update on the story and characters.

So there will be One main story and a lot of side stories. The main story will focus on all of the ships but mainly Terrornuckel, H20Vanoss, MiniCat and NatePat. I might add Brohm back as a main ship but idk

The side stories will be: Voices (Brohm) Midnight Drop (CartoonzxSatt) Victory (Jon/Evan and Luke/Satt’s backstory) Backtrack (Minicat) Gone (Brock and his family’s backstory) Out of all the idoits here, why am I stuck with you three? ( Fluffy/Just stupid Derp Crew, Zeroyalchaos)

There are others but I can’t choose a good title for them. (I’ll probably edit this later and add them)

As I stated earlier, I would show you the rough drafts of some of the characters backgrounds and motives for the story.

Hunters would include

House Fong: Evan, his husband Jon, his half-brother Mark and Mark’s fiancee Jack continued the family’s name as the most feared name in the community, that is until the Winchesters came, took their title and got Jon and Jack killed. Now, two years later, it’s just Evan and Mark and they want revenge on Jon Winchester for ruining basically everything. But that might have to wait when they get word of a Vampire nest in South Carolina.

The Patrick’s: Brock wasn’t meant to be a hunter, in fact he tried to avoid it, but hunting ran in the family so there was no avoiding it. When his parents were killed by a Wendigo he was only 5. His oldest brother, Mat (16), and his sister, Krista (12), were gone on their own hunt and his brother, Leon (10), was on a hunt with their uncle. He was left in a motel room for a week before Leon came back and found him in a corner of the room, crying, and holding a dagger close to his chest. Since then, his siblings raised him. If Brock was honest, losing his parents broke his heart but he could never say that aloud, not when he’s a hunter. When Mat left the their group to start anew with his husband Nate and their two kids, Manu and Keshet, Brock was heartbroken once again. Mat was his mentor, basically his dad, and now he was gone but that was okay because his sister and other brother was still there. Then, two years later, she had to leave as well. Krista “left” the hunting life for a peaceful life in the U.K. with her husband, Nikolai, and two kids, Grayson and Theo. All that was left of the group was His brother Leon, his wife Ella and Brock. Then, in September, Krista came back to the group with her son Grayson. Brock found out two months later that Nikolai and Theo were possessed and then promptly killed by John Winchester. Once again, Brock was heartbroken but now he’s pissed. Hunting kept taking everything from him. And that’s not the worst of it,now it might take the guy he’s fallen for. He may have fell for a Werewolf, maybe…. Yeah, he’s definitely head over heels for this werewolf. He’s so fucked……

Tyler “Wild” Wine: Tyler was made for the Hunter life. He was born and raised for it, and no one could stop him from getting the title of second fear after he took down Murmur, a powerful son of a bitch. But that all changed when that damn John Winchester showed up and ruined his hunts. Tyler lost everything but he got over it when he met Craig, a simple guy who was dragged into a shit situation. Tyler abandoned the hunter life for a bit just to settle and work things out between them, by a bit he meant two and a half years. When he finally convinced his husband to let him hunt again, he was so excited even more when he found out that Luke was on the same hunt as him. Now he can hunt again and he can come home to his lovely Husband of two years and to his beautiful 4 month old son, Percy. There’s only one problem though, they’re hunting witches and those witches are the last people they expected.

The Pattersons: An old Family, like the Fongs, was mainly ran by first born sons Luke and Jon, twins, while they’re half-sister, Glory, could have a normal-ish life. Jon left after two years of leading to marry Evan Fong and combined the two families. Luke soon married as well, but he married a non-hunter named Mike who he met while hunting a ghost. While Luke was busy teaching Mike how to hunt, Jon was “ killed” during a Vamp nest raid. Now, after a couple of years, Luke is finally getting out of his depression thanks to Mike and his little angel Irene. He is ready to hunt again. But he never would have guessed that his first hunt would be his own husband.

The Sharps: a relatively new name to the Hunting community but that was expected when Nate married Hunter whose family was and is popular in the Hunting community. When Nate first met Mat is wasn’t a good first meeting, Long story short Mat saved Nate from being eaten by a Rugaru and then promptly knocked him the fuck out and that happened when he was 17! (The same time when Mat’s parents were killed) They met again years later when Nate, after a few years of hunting after Mat saved him, was helping Bobby Singer do some research on Sireins. When they met again, Mat may have stared at him for a good ten minutes and then as soon as he got caught he immediately turn to run but ran into little eight year old Brock, who was carrying three heavy books and then dropped them on Mat’s left foot. Nate had a really good laugh, got a date with said moron who got books dropped on him and then got hit upside the head for “lollygagging”, it was a good day. After that, they just kept running into each other until they finally settled down together, Nate was 26 while Mat was 24. Now they have two wonderful kids, a son named Manu and a daughter named Keshet, who Nate will protect at every cost, even if it means killing a few.. “monsters”…yeah, monsters.

Monsters

Jon was always a wild card while Luke was a natural leader. You could ask anyone and they would tell you that the Patterson twins were born to be perfect hunters. While growing up, Jon was always the one learning elegant and “Show-offy” moves as Luke always said. Not that those moves would help him a week after he learned them. He was barely 14 when his father let Luke and him hunt some hellhounds a few towns over. At the end of that hunt, Luke became more tactical while Jon a taken on a mask to hide the scars of where the hound had got him. About two years later, Jon met Evan Fong in a bar trying to get information on a new hunt. From the moment they saw each other, they were always together, even when they weren’t together romantically. But when they did start dating, they were a even more deadly pair because they now had another reason to live. But now…Jon is alone, well he has Ze and the others but you know what I mean, and he’s a blood sucker but that’s fine. He’ll wait for Evan, no matter how long it takes.

Werewolves: (Only need to finish Max’s and then we’re good here) -Ryan, if you asked him, didn’t always get along with the voice in his head. Yes, voice. He wasn’t crazy and no, he doesn’t have multiple personality disorder, he just has a voice who talks to him; kinda like lovers do. The voice wasn’t always there, it just kinda start talking one morning and Ryan just went with it. When he was bit by Brian, it was an accident he swears, the voice was still there and this time he finally got a name from it. It’s name was Bryce. Ryan wouldn’t ever say it aloud but he fell in love with the voice. Then came the day he ran into a new Hunter, he says new because Max didn’t recognize him. This hunter had tied him down and performed an exorcism, the whole time Bryce screamed and begged. Years have passed since then and Ryan misses Bryce daily. But now, after so much time, he heard him once again. He’s gonna find that voice again. And Brian, will you stop laughing, he’s real!!

-Brain doesn’t really remember most of his “old” life and by old he means that he doesn’t remember anything before he was 15, when a Werewolf bit him. But he really doesn’t care, he has his pack and that was completely fine until he met them, Two adult hunters that took Ryan, basically tortured him and then, sloppy, left behind a “trail”. ( Their scents, blood, numbers and most of their fake names) So he took it upon himself to get even with them. That was before he met him, his moon. Brian had just bought some raw meats when he ran into man who smelled like gunpowder, sandalwood and rosemary. Since then, Brian keeps taking this guy, Brock, on coffee and library dates, he could possibly care less about his original reason for being there. That is until he meets Brock’s family and find out that those two hunters are not only married and have two kids but one of them is Brock’s brother and the other is his brother in-law. Now Brian has to decide if he really wants to avenge his packmate or if he wants to stay with Brock. -When Max was born he was given to his Dad because he was a bastard, he was accident that happened on a bad day. He knew this because his Father told him about his Mom and her family and Max honestly didn’t mind, she was a hunter and so were his half-siblings while Max and his Dad were both werewolves. But he did remember his mother’s smell, sandlewood and peppermint. Max grew up with a pretty normal lifestyle until his Father bit the boy nextdoor, Brian. His father ran away and Max had to teach Brian how to be a werewolf, which was pretty easy. And then years later, Max had to deal with teaching Ryan which was much harder because of his “Friend” .( Max swears Ryan is crazy) Then came the day two hunters showed up and took Ryan away. While Brian was hell-bent on finding him, Max was more concerned about the fact the one of the Hunter’s had the exact same smell of sandlewood coming from him as his Mother did. When they found them, Max met his half-brother. While trying to free Ryan as Brian keep the hunters busy, one of them snuck up on him, tackled him and tried to stab him but Max recognized his scent, kicked him off of him and heard the other hunter scream his name. Matt. Now, here he is with Brian facing his half-siblings and doesn’t have the heart to tell Brian the truth about his crush’s family. Also, not to mention the really cute guy that he keeps seeing everywhere but that’s not the problem.

Witches Craig, more commonly known as Mini, is a very powerful blood kitchen witch and is the head witch of his own coven. He could take out any hunter that is until Tyler found him. As soon as Craig laid eyes on the giant hunter, he knew that he had to have him. So, obviously, that meant he was going to trick home into loving him but to his surprise he didn’t have to, the Hunter already loved him. Now that he has the Hunter and their son, Craig is perfectly happy and can live a normal life; kinda. Who said that he still couldn’t continue his magic?

Mike, known as Satt to other witches, is a Hellenic Tech witch. He never expected to get a family, he expected to be shot one day just for being him. Since being him lead him to being abandoned by his “family” for being trans, lead him to Witchcraft and lead him to his Coven. But when it lead him to Luke, he never expected the Hunter to fall for him, to marry him or for him to give Mike a beautiful daughter named Irene. Mike never saw that coming, but Luke one-day pointing a gun at him? He definitely saw that and he hated it.

Lucas wasn’t always a powerful Celtic Witch. Before he was very weak and could hardly make a decent hex bag. But that was all before He meet John, a Gecko Familiar, who changed his life forever. Now, years later, Lucas is extremely powerful and is working with Mini and Satt to keep themselves safe, only if John would fucking behave.

There will be a second part to this since there are still many characters that I would love to show you guys and part of one of the side stories!! (Hint: It’s about the favorite blue wearing boy) -

#bbs #supernatural au #sorry that this is really late #school is kicking my ass soooo much and this has been my only stress reliever #part 1

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