#they should respect peoples' interpretations

[ryuichirou]

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A bunch of replies todayyy! Sorry for the wait!

Anonymous asked:

Wha…what is with all the gaslighting discourse?

A waste of our precious time, Anon.

It started with some Anon being frustrated with me talking about Jade being a gaslighter in a hc post about twst boys being horrible to their lovers, and then them calling Rook a gaslighter instead. I was confused about this ask and replied half-jokingly, but the Anon came back trying to explain themselves once more. So I wrote another reply where I stated my position loudly and clearly: I do not agree with that Anon, I will continue drawing and writing Rook and Jade as I please, and I do not like how the Anon approached this topic by basically telling me that because it upsets them personally, I should reconsider how I view the characters. I find this type of rhetoric manipulative and unfair not only to us, but to the rest of people here: I can’t prioritise one person’s trauma over others’. I also really don’t like it when someone tries to assess my personal views on things by the type of fiction that I like and the way I see and portray certain characters. This is literally why we shoo away everyone who acts disgusted because of some of our ships, and this situation is no different to me. “I really don’t like it = this is dangerous” is manipulative, no matter how you cut it.

Anyways, then there was that Anon to whom I replied yesterday! And it was a nice ask, I had fun thinking about what to write. They actually sent their ask a month ago, just as this whole thing was happening, but I took my time because I was busy, but wanted to reply properly. Just like I said before, I love talking about characters a lot, and even if I disagree with someone, as long as they aren’t trying to force their point of view on me or imply that I don’t get it or I am stupid, I like hearing different interpretations of characters. Even if it feels completely off to how I view it, I can appreciate or at least respect it if they respect the way I do things. And don’t imply that I don’t get it or I am stupid.

So yeah, this is everything I have to say about this lol But you can read more on this topic; I believe there are plenty of other posts on this site, apparently this discussion has been going on for years. I really have no idea what there is to even discuss though.

Anonymous asked:

I know you haven’t talked about twst cast being parents for awhile, but I couldn’t help but come up with an azuide kid scenario. Imagine the kid is constantly feeling so much pressure from Azul’s expectations that when they fail a test after enrolling into NRC, the kid just SNAPS, overbloting and having a complete breakdown. And Ortho gives Azul and Idia a look that screams “See? I TOLD you so!”

It really has been a while! We don’t really think about family topics all that often though, so I guess it’s not very surprising lol

Thank god AzuIde kid has Ortho around because these two aren’t at all helpful with Idia hiding in his room for the majority of time and Azul almost being the second Riddle’s mom lol If it takes less time for them to overblot than it did for poor Riddle, it’s going to be very impressive. ESPECIALLY if the kid has Shroud blood, which means that they shouldn’t be able to overblot easily, if at all…

This is some great parenting right here.

Anonymous asked:

How do you think diasomnia would celebrate silver's birthday :)? I feel like Lilia would end up doing the least most birthdays,,, where he just ends up having sex, doing what he wanted anyway while barely being nicer to him than usual. Silver would be so grateful still lol

Anon, I am so sorry because I didn’t reply in time I completely missed the time when it would be perfect…. Sweet Silver, my precious fellow Taurus, I have failed you. 😔 But it’s better late than never!

I feel like Silver mentioned that they celebrate it together every year and take a picture together, and to be honest, I think Lilia actually cares a lot about making Silver’s birthday feel special. Even thinking back on how he made sure Silver would experience trick-or-treating on Halloween despite not having any neighbours, Lilia seems like someone who likes doing this type of thing. Silver himself doesn’t really care much though.

This doesn’t mean that Silver wouldn’t be very grateful even for a bare minimum of course, I think he gets this feeling of “there’s more?” every year after only receiving this “doing the least” level of attention from Lilia at first. Maybe Lilia would try to prank him as if he forgot about his birthday, but… Silver himself wouldn’t remember, so this isn’t much of a prank :(

Also ALSO! When it comes to sex, you are right; Lilia would present it as something special for Silver only, but he would ABSOLUTELY end up just going whatever he himself wanted to do lol

Anonymous asked:

Have you heard how horny Rollo is for the bell tho? Now that's a paraphilia if I've ever seen one. No clue how it would even work but mark my words, that boy will either fuck the bell or get fucked by the bell one way or another

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Anonymous asked:

Rollo anon here, Malleus sneaks into the belltower to get railed by the gargoyles and comes face to face with Rollo getting off to the bell

Anon THIS PIECE OF ROLLO LORE IS SUCH A TREASURE (in the most unhinged horny unholy way possible). Just as with Gargoyles (both with Rollo and with Malleus), this is something that’s been on the back of my mind since we’ve heard this information lol There has to be a way… The bell is magical for a reason…

God Rollo would absolutely hate being interrupted and SEEN by Malleus of all people. Wait until he hears about the reasons why Malleus is even there, heheh.

eh-nonnie-mouse asked:

True, Sebek is too hard on (pun intended) for Malleus to slip up unless he's REALLY distracted. Also can you two imagine...Lilia physically shows Sebek how to move using Silver as the example and then letting Sebek try right after, guiding Sebek's hips every once in a while to correct his rhythm and or movements he gets to stick it in.

(this is related to this post)

I’ll be honest, this is so stupidly easy to imagine that I don’t know if we should judge ourselves or Lilia for this LOL

He just wants to ensure that he has taught these boys everything that they need to know… This is a very important part of their training. Sebek is becoming a man. 🥹

Anonymous asked:

Yes yes, Jack has a knot, does that mean Leona and Che'nya have barbs? Is Ruggie's grandma packing? Twins in merform with no balls? Followup question: Who would be most into all the different kind of dicks?

Yes yes yes and yes. Someone also mentioned a possibility of Malleus having two dicks lol I always forget about all that stuff when it matters (i.e. when I actually draw it), and it sucks; we need more beastboy dicks! And Ruggie’s grandma too I guess… powerful woman :(

Now that I think about it, I really don’t draw balls when I draw Twins in their merform. But with merman in general, in our case it’s usually something that makes no sense biologically lol but at least it’s fun! And very hot.

As for the follow-up question, damn it I feel like the only correct answer here is Rook fucking Hunt, but since we don’t really see him on the receiving end of things, he is just here to appreciate.

Also you know, wild card? Riddle. He just isn’t aware of it yet. Also Idia because he has no choice and he’s seen too much weird porn.

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[shesmore-shoebill]

Something I do admire about Amanda and todays 2T1L really drove home is that like. At least part of the reason she's so disconnected from online shit is because she's just too busy being outside doing shit. Like drunkenly stealing pineapples. Partying. And having 3 million jobs. Living her life. etc. She really was "outside talking to trees" and thats why she didn't know who Harambe was.

#the jokes about her offline are funny but whenever people interpret it as like 'amanda as a sheltered shut in' its like. #have u heard her talk about her life. she doesnt get memes because she was too busy being outside #smosh #amanda lehan canto #angela giarratana #2t1l #god this whole 2 truths one lie was SO GOOD theyre such good friends #genuinely though shes living/lived life! i respect that immensely. good for her #like she is ALSO hilariously offline #but we should all respect that shes had a million jobs and done a ton of travel. While being offline.

[himejoshikaeya]

hmmm i wish more people actually talked about how kaeya is a non-white refugee being raised by a white family in a predominantly white nation. in my personal opinion, i feel like everyone should read up on trans racial adoption, bc it plays a huge role in kaeya and the way they see not only themselves, but also khananeriah as well -- it'll also add a lot more nuance to many "ragnvindr brothers" interpretations, and why many people may feel uncomfortable with using ragbros as a label. this isn't anti ragbros / kaeya and diluc being siblings or anything, however all i ask for, is for people to actually acknowledge kaeyas culture and racial identity. idk i need to go shower lol

#cacophony of kaliya #kaeya #genshin #ragbros #imo i feel like many interpretations of ragbros (and by extension crepus + kaeya as well) come off as very white savioury #kaeya is still an alberich and that should be respected #that doesnt mean that she and diluc arent siblings or anything #but you must still respect kaeyas heritage too #her Khananerian side is just as important as her mondstadtian side #and i just wish that people understood that yk?

[nothorses]

How can you separate emotions from reality when you're saying you're a man, which is an emotion and not your biological reality?

oh wow I never thought of it like that! yeah, I guess misogyny is actually fine then since emotions are never relevant to reality, huh? that makes total sense! and that means abuse is fine as long as it's not physical, too, which is so obviously true- I should have realized!

thanks for broadening my perspective! 💙

#imagine interpreting #'we should respect people's emotional realities but that does not mean that they are always reflective of a universal truth' #to mean that emotional realities are just simply Not Reality At All #nice dichotomy idiot #now what lies beyond it

[theygender]

Going to visit the more conservative side of my gf's family who she's 0% out to sucks but it's also kinda funny bc like. I only have three presentation modes I can possibly pass as: turbodyke, genderfucker, or cis man. I can't look like the first one around that side of her family since she's not out as a woman to them so my presentation automatically loops back around to one of the other two in trying to avoid it, and since I'm specifically trying to NOT look queer it usually means I get read as a cis man—which completely defeats the purpose bc then I get people asking if I'm her gay boyfriend. Last time we were preparing to visit them I put on an unassuming T-shirt and jeans, looked in the mirror, and just told her "I don't think I'm beating the gay boyfriend allegations"

#choosing whether it's safer to be interpreted as a gay man or a Transgender or an inconceivably masculine straight (failed) woman #is a fucking trip let me tell you #it's one that i have to deal with to some extent any time i go outside #but adding my gf's conservative family to the mix makes it even worse #bc then i can't let people (correctly) interpret me as a dyke or even hope to pass as a straight man #and no matter what I'm interpreted as i risk outing her as some level of queer #surprisingly it seems like letting people believe I'm her gay boyfriend has been easier so far than being interpreted as her girlfriend #'fairly respectable cis gay couple' seems to be easier for them to wrap their heads around than #'too-feminine nephew starts dating a hairy & offensively masculine woman who seems like she should be a dyke but somehow isn't' #😮‍💨 #rambling

[ricoka]

sometimes I wish you could post an opinion on a fandom blog without inviting a whole witch hunt or being accused of causing drama but alas

#I've not done anything and i won't do anything #it's just something that's annoying?? that you can't say anything without someone doing a bad faith interpretation of it #or projecting it on themselves or getting offended on behalf of a fictional character #the few times i saw someone actually say something slightly controversial all hell broke loose every time #like great that you're passionate but not everything is about you #not everything needs your opinion - especially if you can only give it like a lecture #not everything has malicious intentions #people disagreeing with you have a right to their opinions as well - as long as you respect theirs they should respect yours #the thing is - i don't think I've ever been in a fandom that didn't have to deal with like ship wars or someone doing hate campaigns #of a character or ship - i guess that's just the way it is?? #but here it feels especially tiring because people don't usually disagree on ships #people are literally fighting and hating each other mainly over the same two characters!!! and their different interpretations of them #people disagree over what the right and moral way is to portray and ship those characters #and it creates so much tension because you can't associate with those people because they're doing it wrong #and are acting fucking awful about it #but those people are very exclusionary and if you don't agree with all of their points they don't want to talk to you either #you just float along hoping that you'll find some people who have a similar interpretation and will actually talk to you #it's so weird??? it's so isolating too?? #and it feels like you entered a political landscape in your online fandom space #i will probably delete this and I'm not even sure my thoughts make sense #my thoughts spiralled a bit from thinking how some fan interpretations annoy me into disliking a character hahaha

[tiredlylaughing]

i just had a vivid dream that dan and phil got girlfriends what the fuck

#1. why am i thinking about them enough to dream about them #2. why was it so clear ???? #i remember phil's more than dan's #but like #they literally just had girlfriends one day #and i remember the discourse abt people saying they were queerbaiting and shit #and people saying they should respect what they do with their lives #even people saying their coming out videos could be easily interpreted as them coming out as bi ???? lmfao #i think they were still even living together throughout all of this #dnp #dan and phil

[stag-bi]

what a whiplash going to see my 2016 tumblr dash (as linked in that last post) and getting slapped in the face w full blown ace discourse 😭😭😭

#i was an exclusionist too lmao i was so pissed as if hordes of cishet aces were coming to Invade Our Spaces?????? CRINGE #i still have beef w the split attraction model when non-aspec ppl use it ON BI SUBREDDITS CONSTANTLY TO DISCOURAGE ANY SELF-REFLECTION #like telling newly out bi's their internalized homo/biphobia is just an inborn trait that cant be helped so dont bother looking into it :) #thats more of a personal pet peeve than anything though #honestly the whole discourse was so stupid and the fake stories and moral panic coming from it was ridiculous #u kno whats real and can be trusted? peoples own experiences and interpretations of themselves. and that needs to be respected and accepted #i got so fed up w the dehumanizing and circlejerky nature of the exclusionist side. not to mention the victimhood complexes and the #black and white thinking that were being normalized by the entire discourse. and the essentialist thinking and public shaming #identities are not inherently above examination and there needs to be a balance between inclusion and exclusion in any context #bc both have negative and positive sides when applied to any group or identity. it should be approached w common sense #i wanna veer away from any generalizations and approach things on a case by case basis #but when it comes to someones personal identity and their lived experience. thats none of my business whatsoever #no matter what. basic respect is believing ppl when they say who they are. thats the bare minimum of interpersonal acceptance #fighting against that in order to uphold some us vs them dynamic is straight up awful #if you cant respect someone bc you cant personally understand their experience youre stuck on the wrong thing #you shouldnt need to relate to someone in order to treat them w kindness and empathy #if you need to find someone relatable to accept their validity then youre not genuinely someone accepting of differences

[harapeveco]

My favorite interaction with an Eve stan has to be with this one guy I met back when I was in tdt who always said that the only canon MVs were the ones that had Hitotsume in them and if he wasn’t there then it didn’t count as canon which annoyed me so I told them that if we followed that logic then Hakugin is canon bc Hitotsume appears in it and that made them so mad they never spoke to me again

#eve utaite #i hate when people divide the MVs like I’m not saying you can’t think ones aren’t canon and other aren’t that’s up to interpretation #but it’s annoying when you impose that view on others like if I want to believe Anoko no Secret is canon then let me be it’s my problem #to me every MV is canon in its own way like they all happen in the same universe but in different times and eras you know what I mean? #every MV is valid and we should stop this war of what’s canon and what isn’t just bc you think one is doesn’t make it the absolute truth #and gives you permission to make fun of others’ interpretations #you don’t have to agree with them but you should respect them at least #also people who say and MV is not canon bc the character won’t appear in the manga Can suck my micro dick #knk is just an extension of the univers it doesn’t dictate what’s canon and what’s not #we are supposed to have fun not to tear each other apart for personal beliefs #anyway sorry for the rant

[sleepymrshmllow]

idk why we can't just accept that people will interpret media/characters differently and that it isn't inherently an attack on you personally (obviously if people are directly fighting you/harassing you/trying to invalidate you or are generally being bigoted that is different and you should be able to defend your thoughts/block people!)

#in terms of theories and headcanons and such #tp #saying it again for the millionth time: if you see mike as gay or bi that's completely valid #i dont think seeing him one way or the other invalidates his journey or story.. bc mike being bi would still entail being attracted to boys. #being bi isnt Queer Lite #that being said if people see mike as gay and don't believe the feelings he has/had for el were romantic that is also okay and their... #personal interpretation. either way we should stop acting like our own interpretations are the ONLY ways ppl are allowed to think #also just simply disagreeing one way or another isnt biphobic or queerphobic BUT some people definitely come off as such intentional or not #bc i always worry i come off more aggressive than i mean to: i respect both interpretations of mike's identity! and i love seeing #arguments for both and how ppl interpret scenes and actions differently i think that's really cool and interesting! #also this isnt directed at any one person I've just been seeing this come back up again

[onekisstotakewithme]

Whatever happened to ship and let ship?

#ship and let ship! #i can like a m/m ship and dislike an interpretation of a m/m ship or fanon for a m/m ship #shipping continues to not be activism #fandom #i think we as fans have forgotten that not everything has to be a moral condemnation #i can say i don't like an interpretation of a m/m ship while liking the ship!!!!! #anyway #people not liking your ship is not them being straight or homophobic sometimes people just don't ship things #and we should maybe.... idk respect that and not make it about morals?

[keelanrosa]

terfs when a study shows literally anything positive about trans people/transitioning: 'hm i think this requires some fact-checking. Were those researchers REALLY unbiased? Because if they were biased this doesn't count and if they weren't knowingly biased they probably were unconsciously biased, woke media affects so much these days. Have there been any other studies on this? Because if there haven't been this could be an outlier and if there have been and they all agree that's a bit odd, why aren't there any outliers, and if there have been and any disagree we really won't know the truth until we very thoroughly analyze them all, will we? Were there enough subjects for a good sample size? Did every single subject involved stay involved through the whole study because if they didn't we should be sure nothing shady was going on resulting in people dropping out. Are we 110% sure all the subjects were fully honest and at no point were embarrassed or afraid to admit they didn't love transitioning to the people in charge of their transition? Are we 110% sure none of the subjects were manipulated into thinking they were happy with their transition? In fact we should double-check what they think with their parents, because if the subjects and their parents disagree it's probably because they've been manipulated but their cis parents have not and are very unbiased. How many autistic subjects were there because if there weren't enough then this doesn't really study the overlap between autistic and trans and if there were too many then we just don't know enough about what causes that overlap to be sure this study really explains being trans and isn't just about being autistic. How many AFAB subjects were there because if there weren't enough this is just another example of prioritizing AMAB people and ignoring the different struggles of girls and women and if there were too many how do we know sexism didn't affect the results. Was the study double-blinded? We all know double-blinded is the most reliable so if this one wasn't that's a point against it even if the thesis literally physically could not be double-blinded. Look i'm not being transphobic, i want what's best for trans people! Really! But as a person who is not trans and therefore objective in a way they cannot possibly be, i just think we should only take into account Good Science here. You want to be following science and not being manipulated or experimented upon by something unscientific, right?'

terfs when they see a study of 45 subjects so old it predates modern criteria for gender dysphoria and basically uses 'idk her parents think she's too butch', run by a guy who practiced conversion therapy, 'confirmed' by a guy who treated the significant portion of subjects who didn't follow up as all desisting, definitely in the category of 'physically cannot double-blind this', completely contradicted by multiple other studies done on actual transgender subjects, but can be kinda cited as evidence against transitioning if you ignore everything else about it: 'oOOH SEE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKIN BOUT. SCIENCE. Just good ol' unbiased thorough analysis. I see absolutely no reason to dig any deeper on this and if you think it's wrong you're the one being unscientific. It's really a shame you've been so thoroughly brainwashed by the trans agenda and can't even accept science when you see it. Maybe now that someone has finally uncovered this long-lost study from 1985, we can make some actual progress on the whole trans problem.'

#science #transphobia #cass review #less 'cass review' generally more 'zucker specifically' because this same problem exists outside cass #have lost count of the number of times i've seen 'well THAT study may have said most trans kids persist but it MUST be wrong' #'there's another study says the exact opposite. that one's right. obviously.' #but cass is why i'm annoyed by it now #normally i don't have a problem with critical observations and questions. yeah check your science! that's good! #there have been some bullshit studies and some bullshit interpretations of good studies! scientific literacy is important! #and normally also am willing to pretend the people pulling reaction 1 on some studies and reaction 2 on others are. not the same group. #but now there's a ton of cass supporters tryna say 'oh the cass review didn't reject or downplay anything for being pro-trans!' #'some studies just weren't given much weight for being poor evidence! not our fault those were all studies with results trans people like!' #…….………….aight explain why zucker's findings are used for the 'percentage of trans kids who don't stay trans' stat instead of anyone else's. #would've been more scientifically accurate to say 'yeah we just don't know.' #'studies have been done but none of them fit our crack criteria sooooo *shrug*' #like COME ON at least PRETEND you're genuinely checking scientific correctness and not looking for excuses to weed out undesirable results #am also mad about zucker in particular because his is possibly the most famous bullshit study #quite bluntly if you're doing trans research and think 'yeah this one seems reasonable' you. are maybe not well-informed enough for the job #there's just no way you genuinely look at the research with an eye toward accurate science regardless of personal bias #and walk away thinking 'hm that zucker fellow seems reasonable. competent scientists will respect that citation.' #that's one or two steps above doing a review of vaccine science and seriously citing wakefield's mmr-causes-autism study #it doesn't matter what the rest of your review says people are gonna have OPINIONS on that bit #and outside anti-vaxxers most of those opinions will be 'are you actually the most qualified for this because ummmm.' #people who agree with everything else will still think someone more competent could've done a much better job #people who disagree with everything else will point to that as proof you don't know shit and why should we listen to you #anyway i'd love a hugeass trans science review with actual fucking standards hmu if you know of one cause this ain't it #……does tumblr still put a limit on how many tags you can include guess me and my tag essay are about to find out.

[cinnamon-phrog]

Okay time to say it. I personally think that the 38 pin joke is a joke that goes both ways.

Yes it can be interpreted as 'ha ha this child thinks he's older than he actually is but they go along with it'

But it can also be 'ha ha the childish character is actually an old man get ratiod'

Or perhaps the secret third option 'haha puppet thinks he can age when he actually can't and never has and never will'.

At least, that's my own take. I also think most jokes on Yellows' age [marring Claire, aging the same rate as Red, and being forced to be Lily and Todneys' Mum leaning to him being an adult whereas him adoring his dad despite his abuse towards him, having imaginary friends and slightly broken speech patterns leaning to him being a child] go both ways, too. And are specifically structured to be that way.

#i see this get tossed around in arguments #people using it as excuses for all kinds of things #BOTH people who use it to justify him being an adult #and as a device used by those who interpret him as a child by calling people who take it seriously morons #people throwing in ableism when most who see him as a child are autistic themselves #it makes me. a person who personally sees him as adult or ageless. incredibly.... tired? #like can you all... idk... chill? be nice to each other? stop pushing people who're living their lives down for stupid things? #so long as no-ones being a pr*shipper we should all be respectful to one another. not a single exception beside that. #dhmis #dont hug me im scared #don't hug me i'm scared #yellow guy

[dyketubbo]

can i ask what slimeriana porn tho? cuz i haven't seen any of that, just maybe some suggestive artworks but nothing else. is he really uncomfortable with that?

i can assure you that there is absolutely porn out there that people have posted without any sort of content warning (mostly on twitter where theres no crackdown on any nsfw, which is also why charlie and mariana know it exists) and that the porn itself is what he was talking about. im not gonna guess at whether simply suggestive content counts too bc im not him all i can say is yes the porn exists yes that made him (and his gf) uncomfortable if nothing else. anything else youre gonna have to idk soul search and think about if its really worth it to argue that you Technically have the right to post super suggestive content as long as it isnt porn at the cost of knowing it may be something that would cause discomfort if charlie saw

(and i know it is reallyyyy rreeeeaaaaalllllyyyy hard for tumblr people to grasp the idea of "it isnt automatically morally okay just because it wont be seen" and also very hard apparently for multiple people to realize it doesnt have to be explicit hardcore sex to be nsfw/a bit too suggestive but i believe in yall to hopefully not continue to make porn just bc he wont see. and to hopefully just accept the confirmed boundary addition and make nuanced decisions about further fanart creation. itd be nice)

#angel answers #this is no constitution and i am no congress interpreting it all i can say is what ive heard lol #general you being used here #spongebob hands out image i am not saying that charlies boundaries are now that you cant make any suggestive art #just that with the clarification it may be good to have nuanced consideration of when a piece gets too spicy #as a like. being a good and respectful person kind of thing #ultimately im not gonna act like. idk. people drawing slimeriana making out should be shot and hung lol #qsmp

[aboutmetamorphosis]

this shit is so fake i’m 🤬

#i’m not sure what you want me to say to that luv? #like you do know what being closeted means/what it entails right #closeted people have to perform their closets sometimes #and supporting a closeted artist/closeted individuals in general means being respectful and understanding of that #harry is in a place he’s never been before in his career #he’s never been more famous more relevant and consequently more visible #so i think it’s helpful to understand that while this is a bearding situation #it is also a hollywood pr relationship™️ #hence all the synchronized promo that happened these past few months and now this big photo op on release day #and if you don’t believe it’s real then why get mad when it looks fake/staged yk what i mean? #idk man i’m really not here to tell anyone how they should feel or think about things #but it does bother me that there's such a severe lack of nuance when it comes to this fandom and interpreting what goes on bts #everyone acts like we know the full story when we don’t and probably never will #personally i choose to believe that harry (and louis) know what’s best for them better than anyone else #and are choosing the best path forward #and all we can do is wish them the best and trust that they’re doing alright #so tldr; i be chilling ���� #ask

[hunxi-after-hours]

hi hunxi, just wondering if you have thoughts on the weibo blowup over the tgcf audio drama? from what i've read, people are upset about the following:

there's negativity surrounding both lead voice actors, but the majority consensus seems to be that 双儿's voice isn't suitable for xie lian. there's also a screenshot circulating of a comment in an anonymous discussion forum posted in march 2022, which accuses the production company of 内选 and of using the ip as a “捧人的垫脚石”. aside from the very loaded language, the predictions in the comment seem mostly to have come true (which has led some people to speculate that it was actually released by someone within the company itself, either as a "whistleblower" situation or to test out reactions beforehand).

fans of the book dislike the way that mentions of mxtx + new tgcf content were apparently dragged into the behind-the-scenes video to ... quell public outrage? i personally don't see a problem, but weibo posters put a lot of emphasis on the fact that 新修 chapters were underway BEFORE the audio drama and therefore not "exclusive" audio content or written for the express purpose of the audio drama's production.

there's a whole lot more that won't include here (hot search/rankings allegedly being bought, voice actor fans shading book fans, etc), but i really hope this isn't an insensitive or overly negative ask. i'm just surprised that chinese vs international fandoms are having such wildly different reactions.

hi anon! honestly, looks like you've summed it up pretty well — I came to the TGCF audiodrama to have a good time and was surprised by how much negativity there was in CN fan circles about it?

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I assume there's probably some history/drama surrounding these supposedly contentious aspects of the TGCF AD production, so I suppose qualifiers are in order: I've got legitimately no idea where the anti-729 sentiment is coming from (?? they do good work???), or about the history of nepotism/favoritism in voice actor circles (?????). truly, everything I know begins and ends with 《我是特优声》 and my misadventures on 猫耳, so I'm doubtlessly missing out on any drama from like, before 2021

that being said, I can't say I understand the anti-casting sentiment because, well... 苏尚勤 is a legitimately experienced and lauded voice actor who's familiar with MXTX's work, and while 陈张太康 is a somewhat newer face, anyone who's watched 《我是特优声》 or listened to his audiodramas knows that he's got an extremely impressive range that I personally think is very suited to the dynamic aspects of Hua Cheng's character. from the very little I've spotted on weibo/the 猫耳 评论区, it seems like people are taking issue with... how young 苏尚勤 sounds? which is like. fam. you know what voice actors do for a living, right? change their voices to embody different characters? you truly cannot judge how well a voice actor performs in an AD based on a five minute trailer alone. give it a few episodes/a season since they're apparently giving out the entire season for free for two months, and then we'll talk

I think a lot of the “声音不贴角色” complaints come from, well, fans of the book expecting these few lines we've heard so far to truly embody the breathtaking complexity of these characters all at once, which is rather impossible. the thing about Xie Lian and Hua Cheng is that they are young, and old, and tired, and passionate, and faithful, and trusting, and cruel, kind, but all at different times. so Xie Lian sounds young now? give the voice actor a chance to show how exhausted and jaded and tired he becomes later, in the flashback arcs. so Hua Cheng doesn't sound like the badass ghost king we know him for? that actually 100% makes sense, he's in San Lang mode right now, and if you watched 陈张太康's rendition of 《灵笼》, you KNOW he can do arrogant, vicious royalty when it comes to it

also, looking across the cast list for the AD, this doesn't seem to be 内选 unless it's like... 内选 within the 京圈 voice acting circle?? which to be fair is like. maybe 200 people total asldkfjadlsf (look if you want to diversify your voice acting cast then let's see some 沪圈 rep huh?? #give毛毛老师anotherbitroleagain). the voice actors in the TGCF AD cast come from a vast assortment of different voice acting studios, from 729 to 边工 to 翼之声 to 光合积木 to unaffiliated with professional studios at all, so I'm??? confused??? at allegations of unfairness in casting??

I also saw some of those 弹幕 complaining about how they kept bringing up the MDZS production in the 制作谈 and I'm spectacularly baffled as to why that's a problem considering that much of the production staff had worked on the MDZS AD and it's. by. the same. author. and anyway, much of their discussion of the MDZS AD in the TGCF 制作谈 was specifically about shortcomings in the MDZS AD that they were learning from and seeking to improve this time around, which feels relevant and not particularly 刷好感 to me

tl;dr I think the TGCF AD production team worked very hard on this and are genuinely trying their best, and that all judgment should be reserved until after the season airs. there really is no point in trying to offer a holistic critique based on five-minute trailer alone, and like, I don't know how many morality points one would get from boycotting an AD but tbh it seems kind of. negligible. so let's all just kick back and enjoy this absolutely stacked production while it's being generously offered for free, shall we?

#to be totally honest all the negativity I'm seeing seems like 黑粉/水军活动 so I'm inclined to discount their validity #but also knowing that people are apparently still trying to cancel 边江 in 2022?? presumably over wishing 肖战 a happy birthday in 2020?? #反正有些在网上活动的人是不带脑子的 #I've seen a lot of complaints about the casting but very little suggestions for who SHOULD have been cast beyond the donghua voice cast #which I respect! having different voice casts between the donghua and the AD can be jarring! #but like...... different production teams have different interpretations of text and characters and that's just fine? #idk I'll believe that 苏尚勤 is a bad choice when someone offers me a better alternative who isn't 姜sir #I've said it before and I'll say it again: I WILL 为太康老师打call if I have to #I feel pretty neutral about 苏尚勤's casting but I feel STRONGLY POSITIVE about 太康 #我这个人是离不开《特优声》的坑