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ectonurites · 3 years

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i’ve recently had a major epiphany but i have no clue if it’s accurate.... i feel like people sometimes say that tim was “made to be robin” and that’s why he can’t move on and then everyone’s like “yeah dude so were the first two”, so i think why that is is bc tim wasn’t really set up to be anybody else until red robin began?....like dick and bruce fought and so did jason and bruce while they were still robin but tim didn’t really. fight? like that? like the major fight i can think of is his 16th birthday and as far as i can recall that was just pretty much smoothed over by the end of the arc? (i could be totally wrong i read this like last year) but in rr tim is fighting with dick about being robin and what the next step is, which he didn’t really do with bruce in the same kind of all-out argument way. like even damian and steph had their own conflicts with bruce, and dc didn’t really have that much trouble shuffling them out of the mantle.... i guess tim just needs to start yelling at bruce to get to age past 17..... anyways i could be completely off base here and forgetting something major so sry for the essay

LMAO no need to be sorry, I get that logic!! I definitely think that plays a part of it.

My personal take is that the biggest factor in Tim’s current perma-Robin state is just how bad the reboot fucked with things. Because before the New 52, Tim as Red Robin like... it was way more distinct from the Robin role than it is now! He had an actual reason he had to stop being Robin (Damian becoming Robin, thus Tim getting booted from the role), like the previous Robins had had reasons to stop (Dick getting fired, Jason dying, and also Steph was fired) and he was trying to re-establish himself and figure out who he was separately, and he was like... doing it! He was making his own base, he had his own kinda connections of people outside just the immediate fam (Lonnie, Pru, Tam his social relationship kinda fell apart with but work wise she was still there) he was still trying to figure out the direction at the very end, sure, but he wasn’t stagnant how he is now. He was very clearly on the path to grow into his own thing but it just got cut short.

When the New 52 first happened they had established that ‘Red Robin’ had been what he was first, that he hadn’t even actually been Robin originally! That he chose to go by ‘Red Robin’ out of respect for the Robin role having died with Jason (until Damian came along), that was the reasoning they gave. Even though Rebirth fixed this and re-established Tim having been Robin before Red Robin, the damage was still kinda done, because the New 52 treating Red Robin like that kinda... turned Red Robin into really just being Robin 2 instead of how in the pre-reboot world it had been something Tim was making into it’s own independent role. And then with the memory resurfacing things and the YJ relaunch they just straight up were like ‘fuck it its Robin time’ with him again, which I totally understood bc it made sense for a YJ nostalgia thing, but like, putting him back like that as a ‘forever’ thing just... not only is it making him stagnant it arguably borders on pushing him backwards as a character.

Which is why I think at this point he needs a new separate identity, because Red Robin is too directly tied to the Robin role now, way more than it had been before the New 52. And if he just stays in this Robin/Red Robin zone, nothings gonna... happen with him. He is not going to develop more, DC doesn’t know what to do with him there because while yes with a lot of roles there can be multiple people having it, if one Robin has an ongoing solo they’re probably not gonna be promoting much with a second Robin too. He needs a new identity to find a more unique space in the family for himself. And, based on the description for his Urban Legends story, “seeking a new purpose” feels like they could be starting to finally set this up.

Drake was the right kind of idea, just with a stupid name and a not great costume, but honestly the bigger problem with it was there wasn’t a real motivation for it beyond ‘evil earth-3 me said this thing.. ooooo’ like that’s not... quite enough. I think I’d agree that a conflict either with Bruce or someone else in the fam would be a much better source of that motivation, like, it needs to be something where he feels pushed to the point that he can’t be Robin/a Robin equivalent anymore, either by choice or because he got fired or something. It definitely could be something more internal, but it just would need to be handled better than the Drake thing was LMAO.

idk if that makes sense in response to what you said, but I def don’t think you’re wrong or anything, that definitely plays a part in this. I think just... in general... DC is kinda lost on what to do with Tim right now and I really hope they figure it out soon.

#sorry i am RAMBLING #im headachey and just talking <3 #sam talks about tim too much #long post #Anonymous

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duskgathers · 5 years

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more comics timeline shit i’ve been working on and thinking of that is a mix of canon and my own headcanons bc comics timeline sucks but even so fucking more so after the rebirth jesus fucking christ:

disclaimer: aka this is a mess and it’s not really coherent. i’m also ignoring the huge and loving shit out of rebirth because the timeline in that is just fucking messy, like, holy hell batman, they literally had tim never be robin what????

bruce has been batman for a year when the murder of the flying graysons happened. dick is ten when the murder occurs and is out on the streets of gotham as robin a little before he turns eleven. the league does not exist yet, nor has batman met superman.

yes, that does mean that tim is four when he meets dick for the first time and witnesses the flying graysons’ death. it’s probably one of his first memories, like, holy fuck.

batman and superman meet and learn of each other’s secret identities not too long after dick comes into the picture as robin. it also tends to be one of their earlier points of contention until superman meets robin himself and gets absolutely charmed by him. well, both of them charm the other and they maintain a long friendship that lasts for years.

am i talking about bruce and clark or dick and clark? both, really.

personally, i also prefer justice league of america #144′s creation of the justice league since that’s the version i grew up with, but i can work with the new 52 version of the justice league’s creation all the same, it would just have to be after dick becomes robin but before the titans are created when dick is fourteen.

the titans still retain their original ages from before the reboot, so they’re all ( dick, garth, wally, roy, and donna ) fourteen when the titans are founded. the original five titans remain to be one of dick’s best friendships that have managed to be retained over the years, even after everything that’s happened between them and to them, together and individually.

jason is approximately 13-14 when he becomes robin and is adopted by bruce. since he dies at age, what, 15-16, that means he had roughly two-three years as robin in comparison to dick’s eight, ouch.

tim is two years younger than jason in my timeline, which means that tim is 13-14 when he becomes robin, and then gets fired by dickbats when he’s 17, so... he gets almost three years on the job as robin ( if you subtract the time that he was fired and steph was subbed in as robin until her “death” ), which is also ouch.

........ i fucking had damian die at eleven i fucking forgot, oh, man, ow. at least he’s revived and back as robin, right? hahahahahahaha.

i also just realised... timeline wise... i have jason’s death... then the blockbuster / tarantula arc... then the renegade arc... and blüdhaven being destroyed.... all in the same year.... oh god that’s really dick’s year from hell.

wait didn’t jason come back right before blüdhaven was destroyed or something bc we had that weird jason monster storyline or something? god, i had hoped i hallucinated that, but i don’t think i did... damn, when did that happen in the canon timeline, i honestly forgot.

god i fucking hate comics timelines.

the three biggest romantic relationships that dick has in his comics verse are dickbabs, dickori, and dickroy. no, i will not take criticism.

he had a huge “will they or won’t they” with wally in a lot of people’s eyes before wally met linda and fell in love with her. whether or not dick has ever had romantic feelings for wally is not something he would ever admit to being true, even if it was. for the sake of me just loving the shit out of platonic!wallydick, dick thought he was loved wally in that way once, but nothing came of it because he never made a move and wally never did either. they don’t hold any bad feelings about never trying.

dick and donna are platonic soulmates for life. she’s the only one from the original titans that he’s never had any sort of a romantic inkling for ( and, yes, that does mean that i’m hinting that dick had a bit of a crush on garth once or twice throughout the years ).

#long post //#mentions of murder //#listen i'm trying to condense like what almost eighty years of comics history into a small verse #sb: why are you stopping your thoughts there that seems like an awkward place to stop #me: if you ignore everything before the disclaimer the actual post itself has 666 words and i can't help it #( grayson: headcanons. )#( grayson: meta. )

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coolgirl · 6 years

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how do i start reading about the batkids i’m really overwhelmed help

fuck it if I know… probably the smartest way to tackle it is to follow this list, which pretty much covers the vital Batman related arcs. PERSONALLY, I don’t care about reading about all the batkids, I just picked my favorite ones and just.. read everything I could about them (and lucky for me my favorite batkids don’t have thousands and thousands of comics so ! yay!) here’s some reading orders I made (except for the Damian one)

Jason Todd

Stephanie Brown

Cassandra Cain

Damian Wayne

Duke Thomas

Okay so, if u wanna read it in some kind of order, heres a bit of a general chronological-ish list thats probably innacurate bc i haven’t read all of these and the ones i did read was.. a long time ago. anyways, i hope this is useful, and again, imo its not necessary to read everything in order, but this might help to know a bit whats the timeline of some major events i guess? also i’m definitely going to be editing this post as people point out the mistakes rip!

(the batkids i added to this timeline are the ones that have active roles in rebirth atm, Dick, Barbara, Jason, Helena, Tim, Stephanie, Cass, Damian, Duke, and the basics of Azrael, Kate, and Luke because i love them)

Dick’s time as Robin (that i have no clue how it goes but uuuh read Robin Year One / The Long Halloween / Dark Victory / The New Teen Titans up until #53)

Batgirl: Year One

Birth of the Demon and Son of the Demon (here’s the original comic about Damian getting conceived)

Jason time as Robin (post crisis) stop before death in the family

Nightwing: Year One

Batgirl Special #1 - The Last Batgirl Story

unfortunately… you gotta at least know a bit of what the killing joke is about

NOW read death in the family… two blows one after the other, If you’re reading the trade that includes a lonely place of dying DON’T read that yet

now you can read the rest of the new teen titans up to #59

now A Lovely Place of Dying, which is Tim’s introduction.

rest of ntt if u wanna

NOW for oracle!barbara you can either read the suicide squad comics as a whole, which includes little hints of her coming back, or you can skip to issues #48 and #49. Then The Batman Chronicles #5.

Huntress Vol. 1 - Helena Bertinelli’s introduction

NOW! Steph’s introduction happened on Detective Comics #618

Stephanie’s list, if you’re following the whole list stop at Robin #70 (Tim’s solo is really good to know about them)

Azrael vol. 1: Fallen Angel - Azrael’s introduction

Batman: Knightfall - you know the infamous pic of bane snapping batman’s back like a stick? here it is.

Nightwing (1996)

Young Justice (1998) (NOT the one based on the tv show)

Birds of Prey i would say.. up to #7

Batman: No Man’s Land

now it’s Cass Time! Batman #567 was her introduction, and Detective Comics #734 n Legends of the Dark Knight #120 are vital to her story.

Batman & Huntress: A Cry for Blood / Huntress: Year One

Titans (1999)

Batman Gotham Knights (2000-2006) is a good comic for batfam interactions

Rest of Birds of Prey ig

Teen Titans (2003)

Batman: Hush

Batgirl Volume 1 up to #52

War Games (when Stephanie dies rip)

rest of Batgirl

Batman Lost Days / Batman: Under the Red Hood

Robin #172-174 (2008) steph comes back!!

Batman: Batman and Son He (Damian) is here babette

Batgirl volume 2 (2008-2009) and Batman and the Outsiders (2009) are good cass comics up to #14

Robin/Spoiler Special (2008)

Batman R.I.P.

Final Crisis

Batman: Last Rites

battle for the cowl SUCKS the only important thing to know is that Dick is Batman now

Batman & Robin (2011) up to #12

Batwoman: Elegy

Batgirl (2009) up to #14

The Black Mirror is a really good bats dick story.. or so i’ve been told

Red Robin

Batman: Return of Bruce Wayne #1-4

Batman and robin from #13 to #14

Batman: Return of Bruce wayne #5-6

Batman and Robin #15-16

Batman:The Return

Batman INC. (2011)

everything else in Batman and Robin, and Batgirl

Gates of Gotham #1-5 (2011)

OK NOW.. N52. So new 52 was the reboot and it basically just took everything i just mentioned and threw it out of a fucking window. Changes: Barbara is Batgirl again, Cass and Stephanie didnt exist in this timeline for like four years, somehow Jason isnt such a dick, i think Damian didn’t get so fucked over, and uuuh i have no clue what happened with Dick and Tim but i think their whole story with their teams (teen titans / titans / young justice) got incredibly fucked over. Almost every single member of the Batfam (that didn’t get booted from this contuinity) got either a solo or a team book, which are. super good to start, reading order be dammed, but the batfam went through a lot of shit (court of owls, the joker, bruce kinda died, jim gordon became batman, bruce didnt remember anything, dick kinda died and got exposed but came back as a spy, damian died, bruce lost his mind, they kinda went to hell, damian came back, dozens of robins ran around, etc etc etc) so im gonna try to order it as best as i can T__T

Batman, Vol. 4 (Secret City) / DC Comics: Zero Year / Batman, Vol. 5 (Dark City)- Okay so, this wasnt the starting storyline for New 52 but its basically the basis of the batfam and co and introduces Duke and Harper so it’s kinda vital.

Ok so here you can start reading the first volume of.. any of the titles lol. Red Hood and the Outlaws / Batgirl / Batwing / Nightwing / Batman and Robin / Teen Titans

Batman: The Night Of The Owls

Batwoman (2011-2015)

Batman INC up to #6 - im gonna be honest this run fucking sucks but uh important stuff happens here

Nightwing / Red Hood and the Outlaws / Batgirl / Batman and Robin / Batwing / Teen Titans Vol. 2 (approx the issue #9 of all these runs were included in the Night of the Owls crossover)

Death Of The Family - this one.. bad.. but ig its important

Nightwing / Red Hood and the Outlaws / Batgirl / Batman and Robin / Batwing / Teen Titans Vol. 3

Batman INC #7-8 - okay so. Damian’s death.

Requiem / Batman and Robin: Requiem - the aftermath of Damian’s death. The first one isn’t collected afaik so i liked you to a reading order if you’re interested

Nightwing / Red Hood and the Outlaws / Batgirl / Batwing / Titans Vol. 4 (here’s Luke Fox’s introduction!)

Forever Evil - the one where shit happens to Dick that i think leads to Grayson and all that spy bs

Yeah.. Grayson now (vol 1-2) - Helena gets re-introduced here!

Red Hood and the Outlaws / Batgirl / Batwing / Teen Titans Vol. 5

Batman Eternal - where Steph gets re-introduced

Batman and Robin: Robin Rises

Batman Endgame (Batman #35 -#36, Batman Annual #3, Batman #37- #39) - Duke is back!!

Grayson Vol 3

Superheavy (Batman #41-44 / Detective Comics #41-46) - ok so Bruce is gone and now Jim Gordon is Batman.. just nod and smile

Ok so now, Red Hood and the Outlaws and Batgirl don’t get involved in any big storylines anymore, and Teen Titans started from #1 again.

Teen Titans Vol. 1-2

We are Robin Vol 1

Batman and Robin Eternal - where Cass gets re-introduced

Robin: Son of Batman Vol. 1

Red Hood/Arsenal Vol. 1

Robin War

Grayson Vol 4

Teen Titans Vol. 3-4

Red Hood/Arsenal Vol.2

We Are Robin Vol. 2

Robin Son of Batman Vol. 2

Super Heavy Part 2 (Detective Comics #47-52 / Batman #47-52 )

OKAY SO. Rebirth is a continuation of New 52, but with some changes bc almost every single damn character got.. lets say nerfed, and people didnt like it so they’re slowly bringing back some elements from pre 52. Here basically just read whatever whenever unless you wanna get into like. the metal event. then i would recommend you to start off the bat with that to get it out of the way as some comics have tie ins. Then heres where the kids appear

All-Star Batman (2016-2017): Bruce and Duke

Batgirl (2016): Barbara and sometimes Dick

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016): Barbara, Dick, and Helena

Batman (2016): originally Bruce and Duke but now its the Batman and Catwoman show

(if you’re interested in Duke i would say to read those two first as it explains where his character stands on Rebirth)

Batman and the Signal (2017): pretty self explanatory

Batman/Shadow (2017): Damian appears sometimes but.. i heard Bruce is a dick to him here so fuck it

Batwoman (2017): Kate and Julia

Detective Comics (2016): Cassandra, Azrael, Kate, Tim, and Stephanie

Nightwing (2016): Dick, and sometimes Damian and Helena.

Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016): Just Jason except for the annual that had Dick too

Teen Titans (2016): Damian.. baby boy leads a team

Titans (2016): Dick

Super Sons (2017): Damian team sup with Jon Kent (Superman’s kid)

and finaaally.. some elseworld stories (basically aus) that have cute batkids interactions

Tiny Titans (2008-2015)

Lil’ Gotham (2013-2014)

#this is. a lot.#i added the dates to some bc theres multiple comics numbered like that #and linked the biggest arcs that have like. lots of issues #ANYWAYS THIS IS GONNA BE SO CONFUSING SORRY I DONT KNOW HOW TO LIST ANYMORE.. I lost my touch T___T #faq #??#anonymous

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ohallows · 7 years

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Hiiiiii! :) So I know that you're really into DC and stuff and you've kinda made me a bit interested too! I really like reading comics and I was wondering if you knew of any good ones to start off with? I'm interested in like all the Robins like Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, etc. and the Teen Titans, but I've never actually read a DC comic or even know their origin stories. Do you have any good recommendations? Thank you. ❤️

oooh fam you came to the right person!!

also you completely don’t need to stress out about not knowing origin stories i never read anything in order and eventually it all starts making sense. i promise

heres where it gets confusing, dc comics go in like… phases. so after every Crisis (basically a huge event that changes the universe, they happen every few years) some of the characters/storylines get rebooted and changed. the big one happened in 2011 (flashpoint) creating the New 52 (which is bad). so you’ll see a marked difference in characterization/attitudes/storylines/ages/etc. in comics pre-2011 and post-2011. in 2016 dc did rebirth which im actually quite enjoying even though there have been some Not Great things but I’m having a good time so.

the pre52 is my fave (using post-crisis on infinite earths canon - after barry died in the …. 80s? shit) because thats where all my favorite characters live, so while i recommend starting there its completely up to you!

LINKS:

websites: READCOMICONLINE.TO IS MY LIFEBLOOD IT SAVED ME it has so many comics theyre all free (some other ones are comicastle, viewcomic, and there’s another one but they really only have more recent comics they dont have the stuff from the early 2000s and prior which kinda sucks.

HERE is my friend robin’s welcome to the dc fandom kit

batfam

for the batfam just pick something and start reading they all make cameos in each others series its crazy honestly. (i lowkey read red robin first which was published in 2009 like. i had no idea what was happening)

the dc wiki will be your best friend oh my god

obv tim drake is my favorite and i love him bc hes a sarcastic paranoid bastard but all of them are amazing tbh and theres so much content

here’s my own batfam reading list, listing the robins and batgirls out so you can pick which one to start with!

and heres another one bc i know i missed stuff

teen titans

when it comes to teen titans you can really start anywhere, its a relatively easy concept to get. it just depends on if you want dicks team (the first team and then new teen titans which then went into titans), tims team (the 2003 run, and then the shitty new 52 runs in 2011 and 2014 which :/), cyborgs team (part of 2003 -i think- but was called titans east also its sad), or damians team (rebirth teen titans bc tim isnt around anymore plus new52 teen titans were fucking /terrible/

here are some rec lists – however i recommend using readcomiconline even tho the first one has zip files

that should eb good for now and get you into it – i know it seems super daunting but it really isnt i promise!! i started reading comics just a year ago and honestly i feel as though i know a lot so. you start picking up on stuff pretty quickly.

let me know if i can help u w anything else :)

#feel free to message me too #Anonymous #comic rec #bri answers #i hope this made sense honestly

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