#the creelers

[lordystrange]

Wheeler house is Creel house 30 years later

#byler #the creelers #st5 leaks

[aemiron-main]

alice creel isn’t karen wheeler- but she might be somebody else: an analysis of alice creel and connie frazier and jefferson airplane’s white rabbit

So, I think there’s a solid chance that “Connie Frazier,” might be Alice Creel.

Alice was 15 in 1959, and therefore was born in 1944, which would make her 39 in 1983.

Connie’s age isn’t confirmed anywhere, unfortunately, but the actress who plays her, Catherine Dyer, was 58 as of 2016, when S1 was filmed. Admittedly, this is a fairly large gap between what Alice’s age should be vs what Catherine Dyer’s age is, however, Mike Wheeler is also supposed to be fourteen, so I think that the ages of the actors vs the characters in ST has a bit of wiggle room.

I’m not just basing this off of looks, though- the name “Alice,” literally plays in a scene where Connie’s face is on screen/it’s focused on Connie.

The lyric “go ask Alice,” plays during this scene, and even cuts to Connie RIGHT as the name “Alice,” is sung, having focused on Benny for the “go ask,” part of the line.

And prior to this scene at the door, we also have the “call Alice,” lyric that plays, which, right as it plays Benny says “Whoever it is, I’ll tell them to go away real quick.” The fact that the name “Alice,” plays right after Benny talks about going to see who is at the door is suspicious, almost like it’s Alice at the door.

As well, the full line for the “call alice,” part goes “call alice- when she was just small.” And Alice Creel was small/15 years old the first/last time we saw her (1959) but now is not small anymore/is grown up.

That’s two instances of Connie being referred to while the name “Alice,” plays in the show. The first time, it literally cuts to Connie’s face as the name “Alice,” is sung, and the second time, Benny talks about seeing who is at the door (Connie) while we hear Connie knocking and the name “Alice,” is sung once again.

It’s also interesting that Benny literally called Connie/called social services and Connie/the lab seem to have been listening in on the call and interfered. And if Connie is Alice, then Benny literally called Alice.

Also, it almost seems like Connie’s has her mind wiped- she’s extremely focused on her mission, seems to have little personality or interests outside of it, and kills Benny in cold blood with basically zero hesitation.

And look at how Connie lays on the ground, bleeding from her eyes, compared to how Alice laid on the ground, supposedly bleeding from her eyes.

It’s also interesting to me that they chose to revisit Connie’s death in S4, the same season where we’re introduced to Alice Creel for the first time. Sullivan hands Owens a picture of Connie’s death when talking about El- almost like ST production is giving us a subtle reminder of what Connie’s death looked like and how eerily similar it was to Alice’s “death.”

I’m not 100% sure if Connie is Alice yet, but the parallels are definitely interesting, and if Brenner picked up Henry from the Creel house that night (which he did), then I don’t think it’s a stretch for him to have grabbed Alice too. What if Henry is part of what happens when MKultra brainwashing fails, but Connie/Alice is what happens when it succeeds? Not the powers part of it persay but simply the *brainwashing* part and destruction and rebuilding of the mind that was involved in the real mkultra. (The two main steps for mind control were thought to be to wipe then mind snd then rebuild it, which likely would’ve been what happened to Alice). And even though Alice seems dead at the Creel house, there’s so much weirdness with all of those scenes and the position of her body changes throughout various retellings and she seems like her eyes may not even be bleeding in some of them- she may also have regenerative healing like Henry (and likely like Virginia) which would explain her survival.

And then we also get this scene- look at the curtains. We have the orange curtain behind Connie and the orange curtain behind Virginia, and we have both Connie and Virginia wearing orange plaid and they both have similar hairstyles, and the blanket behind Connie is the same sort of orange and white colours as Virginia’s shirt and the framing with the OTS shot of Victor in Virginia’s screenshot vs the OTS shot of Scott in Connie’s screenshot- if Connie is Alice, then it would make sense to parallel grown-up Alice to her mother (Virginia).

It’s also interesting to me that they chose scott for this scene- scott, who would’ve been at school at the same time as Henry and likely would’ve met Alice at some point, but wouldn’t recognize her anymore, especially because she’s supposed to be dead.

#stranger things #alice creel #creel family #st hawkins lab #st analysis #alice creel analysis #the creelers #alice creeler #mother alice

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

ST analysis game show called Creel or no Creel

#song spouts bullshit #the creelers #stranger things #henry creel #eleanor creel #creelarke #<- not really but y'all get it

[henrysglock]

me and the boys (plus one girl) when ST5 is released and Mike is as relevant to the Creel plot as Will is to the supernatural plot

#creelers #mike wheeler #byler #< target audience

[givehimthemedicine]

at this point it'd genuinely be a more shocking plot twist for me if El is not Henry's kid.

@henrysglock and/or @aemiron-main some Creeler crumbs for you. which sounds like a short lived promotional breakfast cereal

#I feel such certainty about this that it's becoming boring for me lmao #eleanor creel #also something something Max in the hospital deal with God swapping places etc etc #parallels #creeler crumbs #analysis #what if Doris Driscoll and her late husband get supporting roles in TLS #btw her husband's name was Jack. did we get that in that post about recycled names? you probably did #mine

[wheelercore]

Creels fr are just genderbent wheelers because why is it that One parent (Victor & Karen) gets to hog the the pov of the version of events in the show. Hot creeler take of the day.

#creeler mfers when a real virginiated parallels truther shows up.... #creeler

[madwheelerz]

NANCY IS HENRIETTA?!

#creelers ig #puzzletales #game tag #byler #<- audience

[unlockedcuriositydoor]

Karen being Alice Creel makes it all unthinkably tragic - does this mean Mike will blame himself for what has happened to Will? If a great deal of Vecna's plan comes down to vengeance upon the family that abandoned his young self, then targeting Mike by targeting Will, the most special person to Mike, was of course just the beginning.

But I do think Will was targeted for something intrinsic to Will himself, as well. The connection between Mike and Will and what harm may come to them because of it is worth a hundred posts, but I'll try to keep this first one brief.

I think of Karen and Mike's reunion at the end of season 4. The first thing she told him was not that she was relieved and happy to see him, but that he was "never going on vacation again." No college either - "you are staying right here," she insisted. Right here, in this fucked up, broken town? Why? Perhaps there is something about Mike's presence in Hawkins that keeps Vecna in check, so to speak. And perhaps this applies to all of the Wheelers, not only Mike. I think, though, that Mike is the key to all of this. Throughout season 4, we see Mike physically and psychically drained. Perhaps Vecna is siphoning energy from him. As Vecna gains strength, Mike loses it. By the end of season 4, Vecna is badly hurt and down for the count - and it's only then that Mike gathers the strength and conviction to reach across the divide and make physical contact with Will.

Vecna targeted another physically drained person - Chrissy, who had an eating disorder.

Mike's trip to California may have well been the first time Mike ever left Hawkins. Maybe, if Nancy had left too, things would've gotten even worse in Hawkins. Vecna chose her to hit with a blast of True Sight for a reason.

This may explain why Karen conducts a life she does not find fulfilling - she considers it a duty to carry out. Something of both real world and supernatural consequence.

#byler #you're my target audience again #creeler clues #working out some preliminary theories #uncle vecna fuckery

[aemiron-main]

found this pic of jamie with dark hair. mike, go say hi to your uncle edward.

#stranger things #mike wheeler #the creelers #edward creel

[pinkeoni]

thoughts on the wheelers being blood-related to the creels?

Eh I mean it’s always possible, I do think a lot of Wheeler and Creel parallels are intentional although I’m personally unsure about the blood relation, I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong though

#anon #asks #stranger things #wheeler family #creel family #i think that the creel/wheeler parallels is trying to say that the wheelers are at risk of something similar happening to them #ie their children learning to hate their parents and living their lives differently because of it #and how literal the show wants to take that is up to the show #so its not mutually exclusive from creelers being blood related #so if it is true then i wouldnt mind #depending on how the show handles it

[wheelxr]

this is a VERY serious callout about @creelsclocks, aka Killjoy, aka Joy, aka Papa's lap warmer, aka Henry Creel, aka my best friend:

they've already stolen my fucking soul and ruined me with creeler and now they've introduced me to so many good shows and i'm going to write marty byrde and wayne munson because of them and they need to be stopped!

#creelsclocks #ღ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʟᴏᴠᴇ ɪꜱ ꜱᴄᴀʀɪɴɢ ᴍᴇ ; ᴄʀᴇᴇʟꜱᴄʟᴏᴄᴋꜱ. #SOS #JOY HAS RUINED ME WITH CREELER #AND GREAT SHOWS #HELP!!!!! #very very serious callout obviously #very serious #Ღ ᴡʜᴏ ᴀʀᴇ ʏᴏᴜ? ; ꜰᴇʟ ꜱᴘᴇᴀᴋꜱ ᴏᴏᴄ. #im fucking weeping

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

"thought your mom was your wife" except it's she's talking to Alice Creel about Victor

(song)

#the creelers #creel family #edward creel #<- target audience

[henrysglock]

"the wheelers are creels" save me. "the wheelers are creels". save me "the wheelers are creels".

#mike wheeler #creelers

[givehimthemedicine]

milkvan anthem ❣️💘👨‍👩‍👧‍👦💖💗

#quick question WTF #why is this a real song that exists #milkvan more like creeler

[wheelercore]

I need nana wheeler to drop so i can post the virginiated parallels essay ive been writing in my head nonstop for 2 months

#okay but what if the creels were just genderbent wheelers. what if i said that. #brain on creelers go brrrrrr #firmly i believe st tumblr tries so hard to fit karen into virginia but 2 me its a lot of mike whumping my mike fans #all the subtext for ted and holly are unnoticed and that is SUCH a shame to me bc its all there #like how holly goes from being in constant proximity to karen to being teds from s1 to s2. holly following the lights to the predator behin #the byers wall and later in s4 holly has a LIGHTBRITE shes constantly playing with in teds den #*from s1 to s4 i mean whoops typo #i mean the literal symbolism there being holly is lured by lights to the predator (or is having her love bought with a lightbrite) #but also the fact that virginiated povs are nonexistant in the show like cmon thats intentional. im shaking #misc #like literally you were unloved by a parent so you try to derive that emotional validation that you didnt receive from a child of the same #gender. virginia and her father. ted and [redacted] #virginia creel #ted wheeler

[ael-dragon-vry-sorcha]

in my long post about the hc i have for the characters birthday, Karen and Alice are born the same year (1944)

now imagine that during the little time were Alice was in Hawkins, Karen "adopted" her

they became best friends really fast spending all their times to Karen's house because Alice started to feel uneasy at hers and she finds her little brother weirder every day passing by

imagine, they are 15 when they meet each other and it clicks directly

imagine Karen and Alice going shopping together, talking about boys and girls, Karen saying she has a crush on Joyce and Alice being super supportive of her bestfriend

Imagine Alice having a lil' crush on Karen and it's reciprocated

imagine Karen and Alice trying each other clothes, doing fashion show in Karen bedroom, singing until they're out of breath then imagine, one morning Alice don't show up in highschool and Karen is super worried so during school she bike to the Creel house just to find out cops behind the house

imagine Karen, colors leaving her face when she learn that Alice and Virginia are dead "killed by Victor" and that the little brother she didn't knew really well died not long after

imagine 15 Karen grieving her bestfriend, crying her lungs out then now imagine 40yo Karen when she heard that her son's bestfriend disappear, and then after that her daughter's bestfriend disappear too? of course Karen knows how they feel but she still hasn't swallow the death of Alice so can't say anything to them

imagine Karen knowing finally all the truth about the UD and learning that everything is because of this little brother she didn't knew, that it was Henry all along

°°°

yeah i love Karen and Alice being bestfriend, it can explain her behavior to Mike and Nancy

#headcanon #st headcanon #karen wheeler #alice creel #kalice creeler #stranger things headcanon