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crystalice067 · 10 months
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Probably unpopular opinion
I don't think Bakugou should have gotten a redemption arc
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teenandbeyond · 4 months
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Random BNHA Analysis (Again)
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Hiii, so since yesterday I went on a whole 30 min long analysis after my first post. So today I'm going to be ranting about....buhbumdadaaaa
Katsuki Bakugo's Mentality! 🤯
It's long, but analysis usually is, so, oh well! Don't read if it's a problem for ya! 😜🤪
If you like this, check out my BakuDeku analysis!
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From the beginning his brain is warped into thinking he's the best. Those with Quirks on top, Quirkless the bottom.
Him? He's above them all.
He was taught that from the beginning.
"Your Quirk is so amazing."
"Your Quirk is the best."
Constantly getting those statements before you can even explore the world with this Quirk... Leads to a type of brainwashing.
So now as a child he has a superiority complex, due to society.
But then there's someone who breaks this molded ideal.
Izuku.
See, Bakugo is taught that people without Quirks are less than. Yet this little boy is brave and saves people despite not possessing one.
This makes Bakugo get angry because he contradicts what he's been taught, yet deep down he admires him for it.
In his mind he feels like he has to remind Izuku of his place. "I'm just helping you, maybe you got lost, this is where you're supposed to be. That's what I learned."
Izuku never stayed in that place, he always hoped for more. And when someone is brainwashed, it really ticks them off if someone breaks the mold they learned.
And when Izuku actually had the guts to stand up to him, it was past just the hopefulness. It probably scared him a little. "That's not what you're supposed to do!"
When you're brainwashed, something contradicting what you've been taught can be scary. Because then it makes you question what's really true.
I feel like the icing on the cake was the Hero versus Villains lesson.
First, the one who he thought was weaker than him stood a chance against him and WON.
This contradicts that people without Quirks are weak, especially considering Izuku had one now.
So in his mind, he probably thought he was tricking him. And if anything, mentally reassured him and disappointed him.
Assurance because, "Okay, now you're not contradicting what I've been taught."
But deep down, "I admired you because you didn't have a Quirk and did what you did, but you have one you've been hiding the whole time?"
Then also because of his superiority complex, "How dare you think you can trick me? You think you're better than me?"
But all this time something else has been building, and it cements itself in his brain when he sees Shoto's skill.
Bakugo gets a reality check when he sees that someone is stronger than him. And it scares him.
It's the start of his inferiority complex.
So now he starts to feel inferior, and tries to find ways to still prove to himself that he's the best.
The Sports Fest was about proving to himself that he was still good enough, not everyone else.
But when his win wasn't because he actually won, but because Shoto fell unconscious... He wasn't assured. If anything, it made his inferiority complex worse.
Then comes his internship. He was chosen because Best Jeanist wanted his personality to be corrected, his appearance.
Usually people fawned over his Quirk, but B.J. kind of brushed it aside.
"Yeah, you're Quirk's good. You know how to use it, but your personality sucks."
And this made him defensive, cause time and time again he'd been getting comments about his personality. And this is another contradiction, because he'd been raised this way. This is his normal. But there are people telling him it was wrong. Which makes him question things.
He also gets upset because he felt like he didn't learn anything to help his Quirk grow...
Not even realizing how much this would help him later. Which is why Jeanist became special to him after, too.
But back to that later.
Exams.
That also made his inferiority complex worse. It wasn't an easy win and he had to count on Izuku of all people.
This made him feel inferior to even him.
He was relentless and didn't want to give up because he didn't want to let himself down and feel like he's less than.
But he fell unconscious and needed Izuku to help him win.
I feel like because of that, he didn't want to be seen by anybody. So he avoided the class shopping trip.
Then I Island happened, again, he felt like he got to prove himself a little.
And after, camp.
The kidnapping.
Which was a lot more traumatizing to him than he let on.
His inferiority complex really hit him in the chest when he was the only one who got kidnapped. (After people already recognized him everywhere for the Sludge Villain incident where he was helpless ((which was also more traumatizing than he let on)).)
The only one people thought would go to the villain side.
And All Might stepping down from number one after saving him.
He was probably already beginning to blame himself, but what cemented the feeling, I think, was his mother's words.
"It's your fault. All this trouble is your fault."
Because that's what he says to Izuku when he confesses how he feels.
"It's my fault."
He sits in the blame he feels like everyone has on him.
Then once it's confirmed that Izuku gained the Quirk from All Might, his admiration is back.
And slowly, in this time, he realizes what Best Jeanist's point was.
Not everything is about Quirks, he needs to work on who he is.
So he starts working on his personality slowly outside the spotlight in season 4 (anime). Then it shows in Season 5 (anime) when he works with his team much better than before.
Season 6 (anime) he finally apologized to Izuku, which he had to grow past his pride to do.
And as time went by throughout the series, he desired to be Izuku's friend, like it should have been. He just had to learn to jump over the wall society put around the two of them. To learn that it was okay to be friends with someone Quirkless. To learn that there was more to people than their Quirks to define them and what they'll do.
He had to break from the mold.
And Izuku was a piece of that puzzle, as well as Eijiro, who opened him up to feeling equal with other people. Having people he could feel equal to. Having those he could appreciate even if they weren't at his level in terms of power. Someone real, who wasn't only his friend because of his Quirk. But really wanted to get to know HIM.
He's continuing to grow.
Just jumping in to save someone without thought? And Izuku at that? He wouldn't have done that months back.
If you think about it, his development has been the most teenager like.
But I think his pattern of development was different and made sense. He needed to learn how to focus on himself more than growing his already powerful Quirk because it was all that mattered to him.
And needed to learn how to love himself genuinely and love others.
Everyone else majorly needs to develop their Quirks, so outside of it being society's focus, that's where they need to grow the most.
Katsuki, on the other hand, is strong in what he can do with his Quirk. Just...not his identity outside of what he was told and molded to.
And how much he's grown so quickly shows that he probably already had a desire to, but didn't realize.
And even though he's fictional, as someone who loves to see people real or not grow...
I'm SO proud of him.
I can't wait to see how else he develops.
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I find it odd that how it is normalized to hate Endeavor but not Bakugo.
Don't get me wrong, Endeavor deserves to be hated by readers because he isn't doing all that much to be forgiven by his family and when people learn about his abuse, they don't react accordingly. But at least the majority of the audience points the blatant downplay of abuse and has criticisms for Endeavor's redemption arc. Which is wonderful and should be the expected reaction.
But when it's about Bakugo, why is it so unreasonable to hate his redemption arc? Why do people ask us if we even actually read the manga as if they possessed reading skills superior to ours? Is it because he's a minor and therefore gets a slap on the wrist? I never found Bakugo's character charming or interesting to say the least. I really do want to understand, but the more I see his Stan's brush off the bullying, I go back to disliking him as a character. (I know that there are people who do like Bakugo but still hold him accountable for his bullying, which I'm happy to see). I would go as far to say that the real reason why I begun to dislike Bakugo is the blatant favoritism almost everyone seems to have for him. Before I really began to immerse myself into the fandom, I sort just thought everyone didn't like him. I couldn't be more wrong.
Because from my perspective, abuse and bullying are both horrible things to do. While, bullying is less serious in comparison to abuse, I don't understand how it's easily brushed aside. Maybe other people just don't find bullying that serious of a problem, but I do and I will never not bring it up if someone were to ask me why I don't like Bakugo. I'm not going to forget it just because it happened in the past (chapter 1 as some like to say). Which is incorrect because Bakugo had continued bullying Izuku even after they entered U.A. Before someone tries to bring up how in the first few chapters, Izuku mentions Bakugo stopped bullying him, I think it's necessary to mention that Izuku is an unreliable narrator. Furthermore, bullying does not only include physical bullying, it also includes verbal bullying, which Bakugo still does by yelling at Izuku for the most pettiest reasons. The severity of Bakugo's actions are masked by the fact that these interactions are depicted as gag scenes, which does not make me laugh in the slightest. Imagine the gag scenes were depicted in a serious tone. Would it be funny then? I think not.
Also, I do believe that one of MHA's theme is that past actions have consequences. Which is what Endeavor and Bakugo are supposed to represent. But do you really expect me to be satisfied with this. While Endeavor's abuse is revealed by Dabi, he only faces disgust from their society for little bit of time. It wouldn't have been more effective if Endeavor had been the one to reveal his past, rather than his son forcing him to confront it. But at least the society he lives in knows of his horrible abuse. Bakugou on the other hand apologizes in front of his classmates, whom know nothing of his past and have this misconception that his relationship with Izuku is sour is due to the fact both of cannot make up due to their differences. And the cherry on top is that Izuku doesn't say anything against him. I just can't look at his scene and still take Bakugo Stan's seriously. How could they look at this scene and think that Bakugo's redemption arc is great. Clearly both Bakugo and Endeavor's redemption arcs are horribly written, yet calling out Endeavor's is the only acceptable thing. Wish I could understand why Bakugo is so beloved in this fandom, but it seems that I can't do that.
But, hey, at least found a community in which I can share these thoughts.
I really do think it’s cause he’s a minor and the narrative sympathizes with him. I personally agree with what you’ve said about Endeavor and I feel his story should’ve been done better, but the narrative at least tells you he was wrong to treat his family the way he did. Yeah, there’s some backpedaling, and yeah, the reactions from others are relatively tame compared to what they should be like, but the narrative does tell us that Endeavor was a bad person and now he’s making up for his sins. With Katsuki, after the USJ, they narrative is constantly sucking him off and trying to hammer that he has good traits and that he is “redeeming” himself but his actions show otherwise. When watching something for fun, it’s easy to let the narrative influence your thoughts on the series, but once you take a step back and analyze things, you might notice some inconsistencies. That’s pretty much the case with Katsuki.
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how do you feel about the idea of a more morally gray overhaul? other people have explained it much better than i can but i personally think he was wasted. his whole ability is that he can heal and destroy but he almost exclusively uses it to kill. not to mention, his motivations are all over the place; i think his character could have benefited if they focused more on him hating quirks than him wanting to bring back the yakuza since that's more in line with the story. i did really want to like chisaki and he could've been so much more interesting but i ended up not liking him as much as i could have because he was terrible to eri and the overhaul arc had little to no impact on the story: mirio lost his quirk but it gets reversed and nighteye dying gets brushed off and forgotten.
a final note but his plan wasn't the best either. as he noted eri is at the center of it so if anything happens to her its over. it doesn't feel like an end goal bc of how fragile it is but he has no further goals or back up plans. i didn't expect this to end up being so long so i do apologize for that, but it's something i feel strongly about because, as i already mentioned, he could have been so much better but it feels like he was tossed aside as an antagonist so the league could look better and his writing was full of holes.
Yeah, Overhaul is a wasted character and to be honest I think the entire Hassaikai arc has ended up pretty unneeded in the long run. It's pretty clear that it was meant to show off how strong Izuku was going to be at 100%, but then Hori changed his mind and introduced the OfA multi-quirk thing, making it superfluous for the most part.
For the most part I think Overhaul suffers from the same issues that many if not all of Hori's villains do. He seems like he wants to have a flawed society that creates villains, that his villains have good points but they either aren't really shown to be correct outside of their speeches or they're such awful people they that their point is almost moot. That or they just fail at actually expressing concrete goals.
Overhaul hated Quirks because of his OCD and the theory they came about due to rats. The issue is that this isn't connected to anything else in the story and from the get go he's clearly wrong. Plus. it's tied to his desire for the Yakuza to thrive again like they did in pre-quirk days. His reasons are either nonsense or selfish.
This is a pity because there was something that Hori could have used that would have made Overhaul a bit more grey and connected to other stuff we've seen in the story. Namely the Quirk Singularity theory. We see from the kids in Remedial Arc that Quirks are getting more powerful and that is causing issues. It gives the Heroes a problem that does need to be solved but which no one but a villain is.
On top of that it's a connection to the Doctor, which would hint even more that Overhaul originally came from one of AfO's orphanages. Maybe that's how he learned about it and became so worried he went against his dear Boss so he could use Eri.
Or he could have had gone a different direction and instead have Overhaul trying to save his Boss from a illness he can't cure with his Quirk. He thinks Eri holds the key and finds out about her Quirk easing potential as an off-shoot which he decides to develop and sell so he can keep the Hassaikai a float while he searches for a cure for the Boss. Hence his team up with the LoV, looking for potential buys through AfO's old contacts.
Another option, if Hori instead wanted the Hassaikai to highlight Shig and the LoV's differences or growth he could have made Overhaul worse. Sure Kai isn't as personable with his people as Shigaraki is, but his guys still like him and follow him not out of fear but respect. Plus within the Hassaikai we see some pretty close friendships, so much so the group loses because of it.
I mean, Overhaul's worse crime is what he does to Eri, but we never get any of the LoV's reaction to it. A lot of fans of the LoV believe Shig would have saved Eri and been disgusted with Overhaul's abuse, but we have no evidence of that. You'd think Twice and Himiko would have known about her (I don't reacall him ever trying to hide her or how he used her) but we don't see how they feel about it. From what we know of Shig and his working with the Doctor (who turns children into Nomu) he most likely would have given her over to him and thought nothing of it as long as he got what he thought he needed, just the same as Overhaul.
On top of that the LoV gets revenge on Overhaul for something that he didn't do purposely. Magne attacked him first and he killed her in self defense and took Compress's arm when he went to marble him in return. He was being a dick by saying they should follow him instead, but he wasn't threatening them. In fact he leaves after he takes Compress's arm even though he could have probably killed most of them right there. I get that it was supposed to show how much Shigaraki cares about his team, but it would have been better if he attacked them first instead.
Overhaul serves no purpose for the story. he is a raodblock for Izuku and Shigaraki but is nothing else. He doesn't challenge either in a philosophical way that forces them to grow as people--both just cement themselves as more of the same. Izuku doubles down on being a Hero. Shigaraki a villain. The only things so far that have impacted the story from this Arc are the Quirk Easing Bullets which haven't even permanently de-Quirked anyone yet, if they ever will.
One note bad guys are needed in all shonen stories, but they usually are like Muscular or the Muck guy who attacked Bakugou. They don't stick around for a long time, or have whole Arcs to take down, and if they do something about that Arc changes the characters involved or teaches them a lesson. Instead most of the stuff that happened in Overhaul's Arc has been walked back or forgotten. At this point I think you might be able to remove it and not upset the story to much, which is just not a great thing to have in a story.
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