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marylizabetha · 2 months
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snowowlll · 6 months
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kitkatopinions · 1 year
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I have this theory that rwby white knights and anti-rwdes are really into pushing the idea that Ironwood pre-shooting Oscar is some horrible clearly bad dictator with no good traits because they actually don't have any arguments against people saying his over-the-course-of-two-in-universe-days fall to villainy was rushed, unnecessary, and severely lacking in emotional depth. So the only way for them to try and make it not bad writing is to say that James was always a villain and therefore his villainy arc wasn't 'rushed' (though this ignores the fact that a villain with standards rapidly changing into a villain with zero standards with no real depth is still bad writing.)
But funnily enough, the whole thing with pushing the idea of 'Ironwood was always a bad guy, clearly a dictator, clearly everyone needs to have seen that or they're a pro-dictator bigot themselves' take... Really just makes both the team of RWBYJNROQ and the narrative that the RWBY writers painted seem worse if you ask me. Like, Team RWBY and co were actively and willingly working with IW for like two months, right? Like, they were down in the thick of it in Mantle sometimes, they saw the security camera that some people swear means that James kept the citizens of Mantle under constant surveillance, they saw the broadcasting of James and Winter that some people swear means that James was obviously feeding Mantle propaganda, they saw how he worked on a project that they actively believed in apparently instead of using the easily transferable resources of a communications tower to fix a broken wall. They saw James put things in place like curfews, which some people are swearing is proof of the ironclad hold Ironwood had on those poor defenseless citizens. They saw that he pulled his forces out of Mistral (on the advice of Winter,) which apparently is heartlessly hording protection, and they also saw him bring some of his forces into Vale which according to some people was a show of power. And despite the fact that there was every indication that IW was fully authorized to be in Vale and fully authorized in bringing over weapons, and despite the fact that he only brought them because he thought there would be an attack (which there was,) and despite the fact that he clearly didn't bring his whole fleet - No, he was invading Vale. And Team RWBY and co also saw his 'over-reliance on machinery' and his 'hatred of humanity' at play, and they saw him let teenagers do any fighting and saw that he was running a child recruitment school (ignore if this breaks the premise of the entire show by implying that Ruby shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a fight,) and they saw that he was supposedly grooming Winter. And they saw that he *gasp* was put in charge of security for an event after an attack that could've been really bad while Ironwood and the rest of Oz's inner circle was anticipating worse I MEAN he was completely unnecessarily put in charge of obviously completely unneeded security for your average everyday not in danger at all sporting event that can easily be compared to sporting events in our world where Salem and Grimm don't exist, and so that was clearly an act of aggression and exercising control.
So, if Ironwood is really a terrible dictator who has clearly been doing off the charts bad things that prove that he's a bad dictator since his very first appearances in volume two, then the options are A. Ruby and co are all so hopelessly naive that they completely ignored the clear and obvious signs of a dictator and then made shocked pikachu faces when he 'tried to leave all the poor people behind to die because of nothing but laziness, cowardice, and classism,' which makes them look really bad. B. Ruby and co are all so dumb that they just didn't realize that all the obviously bad stuff he did was obviously bad and should be a deal breaker because they're just that oblivious. Or C. Team RWBY and their friends can be slotted into the same category that the anti-rwdes put IW fans who say that the fall to villainy was rushed and that he wasn't always clearly bad, and written off as pro-dictator probably classist bigots. Ruby literally shared information on the war with him after a bunch of stuff in season seven because she and Oscar decided to trust him.
(Just to be clear, I don't believe any of that. I believe that Ironwood wasn't clearly super bad until he shot Oscar, and Team RWBY weren't in the wrong to work for and help Ironwood and believe in some of the things he was doing.)
But, using that 'James was always a dictator who was always clearly bad' logic, what does that say about the narrative RWBY the show was presenting us with. Because... Team RWBY and co weren't treated as in the wrong for working for and helping Ironwood and believing in some of the things he was doing. They doubted him a little, here and there, but for the most part just worked with him, and then nobody was like 'we were so stupid to trust him after everything he did' and nobody was like 'We need to be more careful because we were working with a dictator FUCK." In fact, Yang and Ren saying anything against Ruby was still treated as completely bad and something they needed to take back, even though she was the one who told the supposed clearly evil dictator important war secrets. Sooooo, if Ironwood really was a dictator, what was the 'Ruby did no wrong' stuff supposed to tell us as viewers? XD Like I honestly truly prefer thinking 'these writers just screwed up their fall to villainy arc pretty badly' rather than thinking 'these writers deliberately made the heroes willingly and happily work for an evil dictator for months and trust him with important war secrets.'
Once again I'm wondering how RWBY simps manage to make RWBY seem eight times worse than it is while they're trying to defend it.
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Volume 9 Bees
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amelia-yap · 4 months
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catsvrsdogscatswin · 4 months
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I've had this thought swirling in the back of my head for a while, but it's finally congealed enough that I think I can make a coherent pitch, which is: I think RWBY's problems with the more vitriolic part of its fanbase partially stems from the fact that RWBY is a deconstruction that doesn't advertise it's a deconstruction.
RWBY's status as a deconstruction is pretty textbook. It takes apart standard fantasy, shounen, and anime tropes in order to analyze them and their deeper meaning and then reassembles them in new and interesting ways for the plot/characters/series. Thing is, it never says that outright in promotional material, which can lead to later outrage in fans.
See, unless their way of discovering new shows is to close their eyes and stab their finger at random, most people tend to choose series to watch/read based on expectations. Maybe a friend said they'll like it because it has [insert thing], maybe they read the summary and were intrigued, maybe they thought the poster/cover art was cool, whatever. These small pieces of information are generally enough for people to make a snap-judgment of the style and genre of the series, which they can then gauge against their personal tastes and decide whether or not they want to try.
Most of the time, this works just fine. Well-written deconstructions also generally give the viewers some warning/buildup before they take a hard swerve. See Madoka Magica: the magical girl paradigm is shaded by the possibility of death as soon as we're introduced to it, then there's an onscreen death with blood, and then a few episodes later we eventually realize the Faustian bargain of it all. Even innocent viewers who stumbled into watching it, unaware of the show's reputation, would go "Oh, wait, this is not going in the direction magical girl shows usually go" by a third of the way through.
The thing is, with RWBY, this does not happen unless you're paying a lot of attention and/or looking for it. And neither the cover art nor the summary nor, I believe, the fanbase gives a lot of warning about the swerves ahead.
In fact, RWBY initially bills itself as a pretty standard shounen anime. The main protagonist is hinted to have Special Powers and gets into the Magic Monster-Hunting School in the first episode, and the first two-and-a-half seasons are taken up by her and her friends' superhero-esque slice-of-life shenanigans as they thwart robberies and terrorist attacks and gear up for a tournament arc against the looming background of a larger conspiracy.
Then in the last half of the third season the villains' entire Rube Goldberg machine of a scheme snaps into completion and the plot twists so hard the entire genre takes a hard right. If you're used to character analysis and common anime tropes, this is not completely a surprise -up until this point, RWBY's character arcs and plot have been subtly traveling in non-traditional directions that hint of greater flexibility in genre treatment ahead- but if you're not... well.
Thing is, people watching RWBY up until this point have signed up for pretty standard shounen and they've been getting it, but the third season's ending smashes that all to bits. From then on out in RWBY, it's like they ordered fries and suddenly got a hamburger. It might be delicious; but it's not what they asked for, what they wanted, or what they paid for, and they are, justifiably, displeased.
So when the reasonable people either adjusted their expectations or sighed, shook their heads, and clicked back out (perhaps with a grumble and a scowl), the unreasonable people dug their heels in and began insisting that everybody was Getting The Show/Character Wrong and that CRWBY is ruining it, because the fact that RWBY's method of deconstruction is to put standard tropes in a blender and then arrange what's left in deceptive patterns means that said unreasonable viewers can scan the bare surface and argue that all the stereotypical stuff is clearly still under there, somewhere.
So they're continually trying to drag RWBY back to the tracks of a typical shounen anime series (it's closest relative), which creates a dissonance between the show they're watching and the show they think they're watching. They're trying to turn the hamburger back into fries, basically, except that doesn't work and just frustrates everyone involved, because you're trying to make RWBY into something that it's not. Hence, this attitude probably starting/fueling some of the more contentious statements in the fandom, i.e.:
"Ironwood was right the whole time" (in most action movies and shounen anime, allied military leaders are trustworthy beyond reproach)
"Adam's character was wasted" (we all know how much shounen loves their powerful warrior antiheroes)
"Ruby and the others are in the wrong about [insert thing]/or for doing [insert thing], and this is bad writing!" (shounen protagonists don't usually make more than One Very Big Mistake over the course of their entire careers, which is usually fixed/overcome/redeemed via an appropriately rigorous training arc)
And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with shounen tropes or shounen anime. They're wonderful storytelling devices in their own way and their own time: but if you want standard by-the-book shounen without any new and interesting concoctions, then RWBY is definitely not the show for you. And most people don't find that out until it's too late.
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rubyfunkey · 3 months
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rwby mood lately.. might do jnpr+o next
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almea · 1 year
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The start of the Bees' literal battle couple era
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b0bs0ndugnutt · 7 months
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Because the “shrodinger’s queerbait” nonsense will never go away, indulge me an analogy (and a long post).
wlw ships are the “made from scratch” cake in a world where we only ever expect cake mix from the box.
Say you have a show where, in the first interaction between a male and female character, there is a red box. It could be a Betty Crocker box of cake mix. Because all it takes is just one smile — one wink — one raised eyebrow— and the fans don’t question it. We’re clearly making a cake here. The box is red.
Meanwhile, you have two female characters building their own relationship that have elements that could build to romance. There are eggs in the fridge. A few more episodes, there’s flour in the pantry. Sugar. Baking powder. Queer fans start whispering…we could be making a cake here. Other fans scoff “you will read into anything. They’re just eggs! Everyone has eggs in their fridge!” Maybe so, maybe not. They are written off as discrete ingredients, nothing to see here.
That red box is still sitting in the pantry. Obviously we’re going with that one, and it’s definitely cake mix. That guy and girl stood next to each other again.
The wlw relationship is now full-on batter. It was a cake recipe all along, but it’s not baked yet. The crowd that wrote off every ingredient is now saying the writers are just going to “squander” that box that could be ready-made cake mix or that they’re being “forced” to bake a cake with the very ingredients the writers deliberately bought and put in their pantry.
Now it’s in the oven, the cake is baking. That crowd will still insist it’s forced, or maybe its actually something else, or it’s rushed, or it’s pandering. Whether the writers painstakingly built a pantry to make the cake they truly wanted or they were cultivating good ingredients and realized they had the fixings for a more decadent cake and went there, it doesn’t matter. It’s still a recipe. One that fans who always have to piece together ingredients had hoped for or saw from the get-go, despite being scoffed at and disparaged. Just because that crowd didn’t see (or refused to see) those ingredients as part of a whole, doesn’t make it any less of a recipe.
And wlw fans shouldn’t have to keep writing essays to demonstrate that the wlw “cake” has all the ingredients every cake mix does, or keep pointing out that fans were ready to believe a cake was being baked when they saw a nondescript box, but that they’ll do anything to discredit or doubt the cake from scratch that’s now cooling off on the counter.
It is partly a function of heteronormativity from the audience in immediately seeing romance in any whisper of interaction between m/f characters and passing off all charged interactions between female characters are sisterly or platonic. And it also comes from writers, who are either being cautious so as not to spook corporate overlords or audiences, or who are preserving plausible deniability.
To take the analogy further, box cake mix is fine! It works! It is, practically speaking, what a lot of folks know by default. I thought I was a Duncan Hines girl once myself. Vanilla cake mix has the ingredients measured out, it’s a safe bet, it tastes like cake.
But it doesn’t mean every red box is cake mix. And it doesn’t make the cake that had to be pieced together from scratch due to censorship, caution, time, narrative build-up, what-have-you, any less of a cake.
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lesbianneopolitan · 5 months
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'Ascension'
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dinodogs · 19 days
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I automatically lose any trust in someone who says they don't like Blake. Not even because I'm a huge Blake stan or anything. But like most of the time its because she happens to be a survivor of abuse who was forced into a situation where she had to kill her abuser/groomer and they think she's a bitch for that or some bullshit.
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keclan · 8 months
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rwby would be so good if it was good
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kitkatopinions · 2 years
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I feel like it’s annoying when people say things like “You’re just mad that RWBY isn’t doing what you want / following your headcanons” for three reasons.
Long post full of RWDE ahead.
Reason 1. Because just like with complaints that RWBY criticism gets into hate, this is just something totally normal that toxic RWBY fans have decided should be forbidden for no reason other than their dislike of seeing it. People are allowed to complain about media not going the way they wanted it to or being different from how they thought. When I play a Sonic game and it has way more ‘Classic Sonic’ elements than I like, there would be nothing wrong with me telling people in person and online that I’m sick of classic Sonic elements and want more Dreamcast/Adventure Era style Sonic games. It might be my personal opinion and I know for a fact that there are people who think all Sonic should be doing is making more games like the old classics, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong or bad for me to express my opinion. It’s honestly so weird that there’s this “nothing but the most objective, emotionless criticism is allowed’ mentality. This sort of complaint might not always be objectively true and something everyone should think, but it makes it no less valid for the person experiencing it. If someone is like “Man, I was watching RWBY because I really dug the ‘combat school’ elements, so now that they’re not in combat school anymore, the show is boring,” nobody has to jump in and rant at them for “just not liking RWBY because it doesn’t conform to what they want!” The person isn’t obligated to keep liking something that no longer fits what they want or like to see in or are interested by just because... Idk, loyalty? And the person also isn’t obligated to not talk about why they found that change annoying just because it’s not an indisputable objective fact.
Reason 2. Because most of the time, people aren’t actually talking only about completely subjective opinions, most of the time there’s more they’re saying and complaining about that gets ignored. Someone will make a detailed post about how Blake’s entire character has been completely removed and now she acts like a completely different person, and someone else will be like “you’re just mad that the writers didn’t do Blake how you wanted.” Someone will make a post about how the writers have been sloppy with world building and don’t seem to put care into establishing anything properly, which is why the transition from a relatively simple school-based story to a big, involved ‘travel the world and save the world’ story has been lackluster and feels very disconnected, and someone else will be like “you’re just bitter because the writers are writing the story they want and not the story you convinced yourself was gonna happen.” Someone will complain that the writers speed-ran IW’s ‘fall to villainy’ and openly admitted that they used him gaining a new prosthetic as a way to symbolize his ‘loss of humanity’ and that the writers making their characters verbally insist that James ‘broke Mantle’ and is untrustworthy doesn’t mean much when they had failed to write him as an convincing villain in the seventh volume and the destruction of Mantle was in fact in the hands of others, and James had good reason behind almost everything he did and that the writers making Winter, Ozpin, and Qrow just accept that he’s full blown evil and not expressing an ounce of care towards him was bad characterization... And someone else will be like “Just because you wanted Ironwood to stay a hero doesn’t mean the writers are bad for making him a villain. Cry more about how you didn’t get what you want.” Like ???? If the post is specifically just being like “I’m disappointed because this show isn’t doing the things I want it to” then that’s valid actually and people are allowed to post shit like that. But if the post is specifically like “this shit is badly done and badly written, here’s why I think that” and the comeback from other people is them saying “you’re just mad because what you want isn’t canon” then I’m gonna think they just don’t have any real argument against the criticism. Imo, it’s actually RWBY’s like, defining trait at this point to have good ideas that are badly executed, that could’ve been good if they were in a better made show. But people will literally just stick ‘mad about headcanons not being true’ onto a very real piece of criticism and analysis and be like “There, that’s all disputed now.” Very weird behavior..... Very bad comeback in general.
Reason 3. A lot of the times, there’s like... A reason why a lot of expectations exist? I know better than most how kooky and twisted fandoms can get and how they run with stuff, but also a lot of expectations are based on things like prior characterization, build up, what the writers clearly want us to think, etc. So if for instance, the writing of RWBY and the theme songs and all are continuously telling us that this show is built around themes of hope, love, trust, and redemption, people saying “I wish RWBY actually did a good job with presenting these morals and had their paragon hero characters show these traits or at least have the narrative acknowledge wrongdoing when they don’t and I wish the narrative of characters wasn’t frequently hopeless” they’re not just expressing disappointment that what they want isn’t canon, they’re commenting on how RWBY fails to deliver on the themes it promised. The show is called RWBY and marketed around being a show about four women and all the merch has Team RWBY plastered all over it, so when someone says “I wish RWBY actually centered the main four girls more and it’s actually pretty weird and sus that Ruby spent almost the whole of season eight doing nothing helpful and then had a solution with Ambrosius literally given to her because she’s plucky only to lose and die when she’s supposed to be the main character” it’s not getting mad that what we want isn’t canon, it’s commenting on the fact that RWBY’s promised premise of being about powerful women feels like it isn’t true anymore and that’s frustrating. Even things like “Qrow and James or Qrow and Winter didn’t get enough screen time together” isn’t just because ‘people are mad that their ships aren’t true,’ it’s because these are dynamics that were introduced to us in season three that interested us and specifically with Qrow and James, it’s a dynamic we were strongly reminded of the existence of in season 6, and yet when it came time to actually have them interact, the writers shuffled Qrow off with Clover and then pretended like he and James had never been friends. The expectation was there because early work had been done and then went ignored. Even something small like people getting mad because Weiss, Blake, and Yang’s color schemes are so off? We’re not just frustrated because we don’t like the looks personally, we’re frustrated because the expectation of color mattering was given to us in the early seasons. Penny being a flesh human? That wouldn’t have actively hurt people if the show hadn’t gone out of its way to make sure we knew that Penny was a real person who deserved to be affirmed as and valued as a real person in her robotic body in volume two, thus giving the audience a perfectly understandable expectation that the narrative wouldn’t get flipped to ‘toss out that weird body and get the perfect normal, conforming one you always should’ve wanted.’ A lot of this stuff doesn’t just come out of nowhere, a lot of the expectations people have for RWBY exist because there was set up, and there was good reason to believe it. And just pretending that RWDE posters completely invented all this shit just so we could get mad is really freaking weird.
Like, imagine if Star Wars had Han frozen in carbonite and then was just like “meh” and forgot about him for the rest of the trilogy, and then when people were like “Um, what about Han?” other people were like “Omg, I can’t believe you’re mad just because your headcanon that Han was important didn’t come true.” Imagine if in Avatar the Last Airbender, they never had Zuko go to the good side in book three, and then when people were like “wait, so why did we have all this development with Zuko, then?” people were like “so your favorite bad boy didn’t turn good, you’re mad? The show writers don’t need to conform to your weird ideas.” Imagine if a new Incredibles movie came out that was all about how Supers are actually destructive and need to be contained and you’re like “but this doesn’t fit the theme of the other two movies at all and doesn’t even make sense” and then people call you a Mr. Incredible apologist and tell you that if all you care about is getting your headcanons affirmed than you should go write fanfiction. Imagine if you got a Spider-Man game that was called Spider-Man and had the Spider-Man logo on the front and the summary was like “Spidey’s on a new adventure in New York” and then you started playing the game and it was like way more about Deadpool and this random other kid who came into the game half way through and so you’re like “I thought this was supposed to be about Spider-Man,” and then you get people saying you’re an obsessed weirdo who can’t stand that the game writers had a vision you didn’t like. Just picture for a moment if during the next RWBY volume, the writers had Blake and Yang announce that they’re best friends and pat each other on the back and then Blake started talking about being in love with Sun, and you rightfully post online about how we were clearly meant to read Blake and Yang as romantic and it’s such a frustrating walk-back and it doesn’t make sense and then you had someone respond to your post with “well just because you like a ship doesn’t mean it has to be canon, you’re just mad because the show writers don’t cater to you.” That would rightfully be very frustrating!
Long post short, if people could please stop saying any variation of “you’re just mad that your headcanons aren’t true” that would be great.
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gaymakima · 2 months
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fanon Jaune Arc is the most insufferable dudebro stand-in I've ever seen. he's the definition of mid. you could replace him with any bland isekai protagonist or harem protagonist in fics and there'd be no difference. if you go into any other character tag there's a 90% chance there'll be multiple posts of characters talking to each other about how cool jaune is. if you go into ao3 and do the same you'll be bombarded with jaune harem fics that all start to melt together after you've scrolled through 40 of them. he's so far removed from canon jaune. that's not my boy. my boy does not have rizz or game (except for that one time with pyrrha bc she's INTO his failboy persona). he is a soaking wet dog who was born in a cardboard box. i will kill fanon jaune with my own bare hands and then give canon jaune a blanket. can you tell ive been looking through character tags and going on a block exodus.
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I am a citizen of a fallen kingdom and an heir to nothing.
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ninadove · 10 months
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So. There’s this show I really hate.
I didn’t even want to watch it, but I was forced to sit through literally all of it because my parents liked it for some reason that completely eludes me. Not only is the plot catastrophically bad and the characters inconsistent — it’s also very, very misogynistic in essence. Just thinking about it now makes me want to chew on the writing team’s bones.
I genuinely have nothing good to say about this show.
So. Do you know how many posts I uploaded to the corresponding tags?
ZERO (0)
Because there’s no point in spending energy on a thing I hate so passionately, and even less in ruining it for other people.
Don’t get me wrong — it’s OK to point out irregularities in writing, and to talk about specific aspects of a story that upset you. But uploading dozens of posts about how you Hate The Thing, Analysing The Thing Is Pointless, Everyone Who Worked On The Thing Is Stupid, and Everyone Who Loves The Thing Is Delusional, is maybe not the genius take you think it is.
It doesn’t make you smarter than everyone else. It just makes you boring.
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