#predicting antisemitism in the comments

[the-meaning-iz-42]

Daily PSA:

Violence isnt okay, and it is never okay to attack civilians under any circumstances.

I don't care which side is doing it, each side can be condemned in turn by everyone.

There is too much darkness in the world and if everyone can stop justifying the murdering of literal children that would be perfect.

#propeace #peace #war #israelisunderattack #israel #palestine #everytime one of you guys post a hate comment you just push the post up with the algorithm #so please be my guest #this will just increase the amount of people who see a message against hate and bigotry #predicting antisemitism in the comments #leftists against facists #against violence #against terrorism #but still pro social justice #guys it is possible #also #anti hamas #obviously #daily psa

[hindahoney]

For all my Jewish followers, I have a pressing question.

Do you identify your race as Jewish?

I ask this because this is a comment that has come up over time in the communities I've been in, where people say they identify as Jewish above everything else, and do not identify with goys of their same race. I work at a university as a researcher of antisemitism, and this conversation has been coming up in academia as well.

We all know that race is a social construct, and various groups have had the perception of their racial status change over time (Ex. Irish people not being considered white, and more recently Hispanics/Latinos being considered white). It wouldn't be a new concept for the Jewish identity to be racialized, as we were classified as "yellow Eur-Asians" during the Jim Crow era, and non-Aryan during the Shoah (though there were thousands of years leading up to this of us not being considered whatever the dominant racial group was). Many groups still don't consider Ashkenazi Jews white (though these are most often far-right neo-Nazis that barely consider us humans).

North American Ashkenazi Jews who don't identify as white have said their reasoning is that the cultural and ethnic differences of Jews lead to a great divide between white-passing Jews and goys, and the inter-generational trauma of thousands of years of brutal oppression and slavery is something that white goys don't experience. They say that Jews originate from the middle east, so they can't be white even if their skin was paled during exile. They argue that as long as many people don't consider them white, they don't even really have a choice of what they identify as.

To Ashkenazi Jews who do identify as white, they've argued that by racializing your Jewish identity you're, in a way, giving in to what the oppressors want and accepting that you're different.

I just want to know what you think either way.

#this is a very complicated topic and I could talk about it for hours #no i dont have a stance i just want to hear what people have to say #maybe itll help me form my opinion #jews #jewish #jumblr #frumblr #jewblr #antisemitism #shoah #jewish stuff #jewish history #this is a touchy subject so before you attack in the comments please just believe when I say I have good intentions lol #i can never predict what someone will get mad at

[eretzyisrael]

by Zach Kessel

Last week, I wrote about the upcoming Palestine Writes Literature Festival, to be held at the University of Pennsylvania from September 22 to 24. Featuring as speakers noted antisemites, running the gamut from Marc Lamont Hill to Roger Waters, the festival promises to be a veritable cornucopia of hatred of Jews: calls for ethnic cleansing of Jews from the land of Israel, accusations of Jews being subhuman, insinuations that a Jewish cabal controls American media, you name it. If it’s a form of antisemitism, it’s sure to be found on Penn’s campus this weekend. I hope it’s a coincidence that the festival’s last day coincides with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

There’s an update to this story, and for those familiar with the rising tide of antisemitism on college campuses across the country, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. Since the festival began drawing attention over the past week or so, there have been strident responses from the university’s Jewish alumni and supporters. More than 2,000 such concerned individuals signed an open letter sent to the university’s president, Liz Magill, urging her to issue a statement — without equivocating or falling into both-sides-ism, as higher-education administrators often do when they lack the courage to condemn antisemitism — “specifically denouncing the event’s platforming of known antisemitic speakers.” The letter’s authors noted that, had a university department sponsored a festival promoting anti-black or anti-Asian racism, homophobia, or any other kind of bigotry, there’s no question that Penn would immediately distance itself from and condemn the event. Of course, within the academy and progressive intelligentsia more broadly, Jews are themselves oppressors, and antisemitism isn’t a legitimate form of hatred deserving of attention.

Though the University of Pennsylvania does and should aim to foster an environment of free expression, the letter notes, “neither academic freedom nor freedom-of-speech principles prevent the university from using its own voice to speak out against antisemitism wherever and whenever it occurs, especially on campus.” The Palestine Writes organizers have a right to voice their opinions, but they do not have the right to do so on Penn’s land.

It turns out that’s too much to ask of Magill. In a statement obtained by Jewish Insider, she made perfunctory comments about how the university opposes all forms of hate including antisemitism, how Waters has been roundly condemned for his past words and actions, and how she is “personally committed more than ever to addressing antisemitism in all forms.” You’d think part of that commitment might entail disallowing such vile displays from taking place on the campus she runs. Apparently, at least in Magill’s eyes, it doesn’t. She invoked the university’s “responsibility to foster open dialogue and cultural diversity on campus.” But there’s a massive difference between open dialogue and cultural diversity and tacitly endorsing speakers who traffic in this kind of antisemitism.

And then, Thursday morning, something at once entirely predictable and yet bone-chilling for Penn’s Jewish students happened: A student at the university vandalized the school’s Hillel building. As the Daily Pennsylvanian reported, “a regular attendee” opened the building’s doors for a morning service, and the culprit entered:

“When I walked into Hillel, I noticed that the lobby was completely trashed — one of the podiums was smashed, one of the tables was smashed. There was stuff everywhere,” [University of Pennsylvania student Marc] Fishkind said. . . . “He immediately started smashing things, yelling ‘F**k the Jews’ and ‘They killed JC,’” Fishkind recounted from what he was told by someone who was there, adding that eventually, the perpetrator ran out of Hillel as the police arrived.

Make no mistake: As university president, Magill bears responsibility. By allowing the Palestine Writes Literature Festival to take place on her campus, and by allowing multiple academic departments to co-sponsor the event, she has helped foster an environment of antisemitism at Penn that empowers people like the student who vandalized the Hillel building. Magill doesn’t seem to understand that her inaction has consequences and that by building a permission structure for antisemitism, she has allowed antisemitic acts to occur.

It’s insane that we have to keep writing about events such as these. From my May 2022 piece in National Review:

Last month, several student groups signed a statement written by NYU School of Law’s Students for Justice in Palestine chapter defending terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and accusing Zionists of controlling the media, a well-worn antisemitic canard. On April 26, Georgetown Law School’s Students for Justice in Palestine chapter hosted Mohammed El-Kurd, an activist who has accused Israelis of harvesting the organs of dead Palestinians and of having “an unquenchable thirst for Palestinian blood & land.” In recent weeks, the Rutgers chapter of Alpha Epsilon Pi — a historically Jewish fraternity — faced multiple incidents of antisemitic harassment. First, activists waving Palestinian flags yelled antisemitic slurs and spat at fraternity brothers. A few days later, vandals threw eggs at AEPi’s house during the fraternity’s Holocaust Remembrance Day proceedings — the second year in a row the house was egged during Yom HaShoah. On Saturday, April 23, at Northwestern, where I am an undergraduate, the Students for Justice in Palestine chapter organized a candlelight vigil and painted messages across Northwestern’s “Rock,” a boulder on campus that student organizations paint for various promotional purposes. By Tuesday morning, alongside the SJP chapter’s Instagram username, the rock bore the slogan “From the River to the Sea.”

Hatred of Jews on campus, of course, didn’t end in May 2022. Antisemitic attacks at American universities have nearly doubled in 2023, and almost 60 percent of Jewish college students in the United States have either experienced or witnessed antisemitism at their places of learning, according to an Ipsos poll. Another Ivy League school, Princeton University, has included on a humanities course syllabus the book The Right to Maim, which claims that Israelis harvest Palestinians’ organs, a variant on the time-worn “blood libel” canard.

The longer academic institutions take to actually address antisemitism on their campuses, the longer they’re allowing it to flourish. By hiding behind rote affirmations of a school’s commitment to diversity, to equity, to whatever progressive buzzwords they like to emblazon on their overpaid and underworked administrators’ doors — and by refusing to act when the time comes, like right now — university presidents like Liz Magill create the conditions in which, for instance, Hillel buildings are vandalized. I’m left with only one question: What did she think was going to happen?

#palestine writes literature festival #antisemitism #university of pennsylvania #campus antisemitism #liz magill

[sp00kyfishh]

South Park Season 26 Predictions

Cartman becomes obsessed with Kanye because of his antisemitic statements

Some mention of the royal family drama

There won't be a tik tok episode specifically but there will be an episode about social media

Meta comments about tegridy farms

One singular joke gets run into the ground (most likely tegridy farms jokes)

Way less focused on Randy (this is more of a prayer than a prediction)

Jokes about the taylor swift ticketmaster incident

Kim Kardashian buying Marilyn Monroe's dressed gets mentioned in an indirect way

Praying to God the main four don't get sidelined

An episode about mass shootings

Joe Biden makes an appearance

The return of Casa Bonita

A valentine's day episode about all the south park couples but primarily focused on tweek and craig

Kenny is either barely mentioned or has a significant plot point

Cartman tries to profit off of Andrew Tate (either by starting his own misogynistic podcast or really trying to appear as a feminist again)

Heidi finally gets mentioned again

A Butters and Cartman episode

Kyle makes another one of his gay little speeches (this is a long shot but I want these to come back so bad)

Tolkien and his family get an episode

Several references to cartmans boobjob

More character development for Liane

An episode centered around the girls (Wendy, Bebe, Nicole, etc.)

Rick becomes a somewhat important character (another longshot)

Mr. Garrison gets another episode of him being an extremist

Someone moves into Cartman's old house and he goes to great lengths to stop them (it's probably an already established character

#south park #eric cartman #kyle broflovski #kenny mccormick #stan marsh #tolkien black #butters stotch #randy marsh #south park season 26 #praying at least one of these predictions happen

[fiercynn]

Since learning more about police and prison abolition in 2014 during the Ferguson protests, I’ve had many conversations with white friends and family who struggle to disentangle themselves from our justice system. Their personal experiences with police range from annoyance to incompetence — a speeding ticket for going ten over the limit, a busy signal when calling 911, dismissive cops in the face of robbery, stalking, or sexual assault. They admit the police have failed them in the past but can’t let go of their idea of a heroic police force taught to them by film and television. People ask: What about serial killers? Who will catch them? What will we do with them? Only 3.3% of the U.S. prison population is incarcerated for the oddly expansive category of “homicide, aggravated assault, and kidnapping.” I’m going to guess the Federal Bureau of Prisons gathers data like that to hide just how little of the prison population is incarcerated for homicide. The vast majority are, of course, incarcerated for drug offenses. And homicide counts all homicide. That means serial killers are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of those in prison. Serial killers are a compelling narrative, but they almost certainly aren’t going to kill you or your children. The leading cause of death for people age 44 and under is by far unintentional injury. Of all his many monsters, killer cars are Stephen King’s most accurate villains. (It’s too bad traffic cops don’t actually make our roads safer.) Every time you get in a vehicle or walk on the street or step in the shower, you’re at a far greater risk of death by accident than you’ll ever be from death by serial killer or human trafficker or, of course, terrorists. As more people buy security cameras and use apps like Next Door, I’ve become convinced that fear — specifically reducing people’s irrational fears — is the most urgent political issue of our time. That has become even clearer since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel led to a resurgence of Islamophobia and a genocidal response from the Israeli government. As a Jew who grew up in a largely Jewish suburb, I spent my childhood thinking antisemitism was a thing of the past. When my parents told me they moved away from Orange County due to antisemitism, I rolled my eyes in disbelief. (The same O.C. where Seth Cohen celebrated Chrismukkah? Come on!) It wasn’t until the Charlottesville marchers chanted “Jews will not replace us” that I realized antisemitism was not one of my parents’ irrational fears. Throughout the Trump administration — and again as he runs for reelection — the comments made by the former president and his associates have horrified me. He chose not to take a side in response to the Charlottesville marchers and has played into the most basic tropes of Jews as all-powerful and money-grubbing. When the killing of 11 people at the Tree of Life synagogue occurred in October 2018, it felt like an inevitable horror in the wake of rising antisemitism. But since October 7 of this year, accusations of antisemitism have been more prevalent than antisemitism itself. Social media posts warned of a “Global Day of Jihad” set to occur on the 13th — a racist, Islamophobic, and easily debunked rumor that nevertheless gained mainstream attention. As I was talking to my family about the occupation of Palestine, they not only fought with me but also warned me to not go outside. They were convinced Jews around the world were going to be killed on this day. When this did not occurr, their fear did not dissipate. Rather, like a cult that has wrongly predicted the end of the world, they picked a new day. On the 14th, one family member still insisted she was afraid to go outside. While my family and others anticipate mass violence against American Jews, there has already been a rise in hate crimes against Muslims driven by rhetoric like their own.

excellent essay by drew burnett gregory, published at autostraddle on november 2, 2023

#free palestine #prison abolition #abolition #police abolition #antisemitism #anti zionism #drew burnett gregory #knowing me knowing queue

[beardedmrbean]

Lara Logan, formerly a CBS News reporter and more recently a frequent Fox News guest, went so off-field on former Fox News host Eric Bolling's Newsmax show Wednesday night, Newsmax said she is no longer welcome on the right-wing network. Bolling brought her on to talk about immigration, and she ended up "pushing QAnon tropes, invoking blood libel, and fear-mongering about a 'global cabal' planning to 'dilute the pool of patriots' in the United States," The Daily Beast reports.

"Newsmax condemns in the strongest terms the reprehensible statements made by Lara Logan and her views do not reflect our network," Newsmax told The Daily Beast on Thursday. "We have no plans to interview her again."

Logan started her comments Wednesday by predicting the Biden administration is trying to engineer "a Reichstag fire" — an event the Nazis used to consolidate power and curtail liberties — then went on to claim she was shown a secret United Nations plan in which a "global cabal" would "dilute the blood of patriots" by importing 100 million immigrants, stating God knows "the open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world," and insisting Israeli intellectual Yuval Harari "and the rest of them at the World Economic Forum ... want us eating insects, cockroaches ... while they dine on the blood of children."

Fox News dropped Logan and scrapped her Fox Nation streaming show after she compared Dr. Anthony Fauci to a notorious Nazi doctor last year. Since then, The Daily Beast's Justin Baragona writes, "Logan has become increasingly associated with the QAnon community" and has "been openly peddling antisemitic tropes in recent months," often centered around "the Rothschilds."

#nunyas news #yikes

[dreaminginthedeepsouth]

Michael de Adder, Halifax Herald

* * * * *

Fox dumps Tucker Carlson.

         Fox fired Tucker Carlson on short notice on Monday, surprising everyone, including Carlson. The termination was a victory for American democracy. Carlson’s vile brand of hate and disinformation undermined public confidence in the government and fellow citizens. Good riddance!

         Sadly, the precipitating cause of Carlson’s termination did not appear to be his constant lying, antisemitism, racism, or anti-LGBTQ stance. Instead, according to the LATimes, he was fired for dissing management in private texts and emails that came to light during the Dominion Voting Systems defamation case. In other words, Rupert Murdoch doesn’t care if you cause Fox Corp. to lose three-quarters of billion dollars but don’t dare talk trash about the boss.

         In truth, the Dominion settlement was a likely factor. Let’s assume that Fox must pay the entire $787 million without insurance recoveries or tax benefits. Tucker Carlson generated about $77 million in ad revenue per year. If Fox had a 30% profit margin (a generous assumption), the settlement wiped out 34 years of profit generated by Carlson’s ad revenue. ($787mm/($77mm*0.3))

         While Carlson wasn’t the only on-air entertainer responsible for the settlement, he was the most notable. And the pain isn’t over yet—the Smartmatic lawsuit is in the wings. In other words, keeping Tucker Carlson on the air would have been a long-term money-losing proposition for Fox. Add that fact to carping about Rupert, and you can see why Carlson was given an hour’s notice of his termination.

         Worse for Fox and Carlson, both are defendants in an ugly discrimination lawsuit brought by Amy Grossberg, who claims that Fox and Carlson ran a “poisonous” newsroom with an “entrenched patriarchy” that permitted “abuse of female staff.” Some of the texts sent by Carlson are so vile I won’t quote them in a family-friendly newsletter, but let’s just say that if Carlson ever goes before a jury on a hostile workplace claim, he should bring his checkbook to the witness stand. See Business Insider, Lawsuit Says Fox News Execs Ordered Staff to Spy on Maria Bartiromo.

         There is the possibility of another ticking timebomb relating to Tucker Carlson that has yet to emerge. Something seems amiss, but we shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth. If Rupert Murdoch believes it is a good idea to fire on-air talent with the highest-rated cable show, who are we to second-guess? As one commentator noted, Carlson’s firing is

only the latest in a string of reasons for cautious optimism. Two and a half years ago, if you had predicted the sort of outcomes we’ve seen since, it would have seemed hopelessly, almost absurdly, naive.

         No one woke up Monday morning believing that Fox would fire Tucker Carlson. The unexpected development is a bracing reminder that our minds like to create rational narratives about the future unfolding in an orderly fashion (which is undoubtedly a healthy outlook on life). In truth, the future is filled with surprise and randomness that can reverse fortunes in the blink of an eye. Just ask Tucker Carlson.

Robert B. Hubbell Newsletter

#Michael deAdder #Hallifax Herald #FOX #propaganda #Tucker Carlson #Robert B. Hubbell #Robert B. Hubbell Newsletter

[palmtreepalmtree]

Someone on Buzzfeed did a round-up of Hannukah recipes and the comments are predictably insane.

I mean sure, I raised my eyebrows at some of the blatantly non-kosher dishes, but not all Jews keep kosher so if someone wants to make their chicken soup a little creamy, I guess that's their call. But someone in the comments called the list antisemitic for including meat (some people prefer to eat dairy meals on Hanukkah) and non-traditional items like beet latkes.

Like dude, someone carved a swastika in the Beverly Hills menorah yesterday, but sure, this buzzfeed list is the antisemitism we've gotta worry about.

#it's buzzfeed #there's gotta be a better source for some good chanukah recipes #i bet the beet latkes are delicious #i'm all for new ideas recipes

[thegreatjackal]

i get a bit wary about saying too much about the israel-palestine... situation. it seems to be the kind of thing antisemites would latch onto to spread their bullshit -- and they, predictably, have -- and i don't want to be a part of that.

though, you know. genocide is bad. not a fan of that. i assume that's not a controversial statement.

i think i've probably always been iffy about israel because it seems strange to me to, like, endorse a theocratic ethnostate. i also always just assumed i was too ignorant on the matter to comment. probably still am.

[learnfromhistoryorrepeatit]

February 23, 2023, 8:52AM

Neo-Nazi Homeschoolers Defend Their ‘Wholesome’ Pro-Hitler Network | David Gilbert, VICE News

“Predictably, they also blamed “antifa” for negative coverage of their pro-Hitler homeschooling network”

The Ohio couple at the center of the Nazi homeschooling scandal have spoken publicly about their online community of Hitler-loving parents and have defended their actions as “just extra fun” and “so wholesome.”

Predictably, they have also blamed “antifa” for negative coverage of their pro-Hitler homeschooling network.

“Katja and Logan Lawrence were unmasked last month as the couple running the Dissident Homeschool network from their home in Upper Sandusky, Ohio, in reports from VICE News and HuffPost, which were based on a report from the anti-fascist research group known as the Anonymous Comrades Collective.

Starting in late 2021, the couple ran a now-deleted Telegram channel with over 2,500 members, and shared their own classroom resources, weaving Hitler quotes, antisemitic themes, and white supremacist ideologies into their math lessons and homework assignments.

In their first public comments since they were unmasked, the Lawrences staunchly defended their actions.

“The chat was so wholesome,” Katja Lawrence told the Nazi-promoting website Justice Report in an interview published on Monday. “It was mostly homeschooling moms that were lifting each other up when things got difficult.”

In reality the content shared in the channel was deeply racist, including a lesson plan to mark the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King, Junior…that described the assassinated civil rights leader as a “deceitful, dishonest, riot-inciting negro.”

The Lawrences blasted the mainstream media for “cherry-picking” the neo-Nazi aspects of their lesson plans, claiming that these were “just fun extras” they added to the regular curriculum they taught their four young children.

“We were deliberately made to look very unappealing,” Katja Lawrence said.

It is unsurprising that the Lawrences decided to give their first interview to Justice Report, given it is linked to the National Justice Party, a white supremacist group that was a member of the Dissident Homeschool channel. Katja Lawrence also encouraged her members to join their local “pool party,” which is the name the NJP gives to its real world meet ups for neo-Nazis.

The Lawrences told Justice Report that they were concerned about potential attacks against them and their children based on posts made by “antifa” accounts on social media. But the Lawrences also confirmed that “no one had approached them or made any actionable threats in person.”

The revelations about the Nazi homeschooling group led to a review by the Ohio Department of Education. However, the state found that the Lawrences were doing nothing illegal, and indicated there was nothing the department could do about it.

In the interview with Justice Report, Logan Lawrence said the reason he and his wife decided to homeschool their children, after her eldest child had spent four years in public school, was because ​​”the system is very anti-White and we just wanted a positive image for our kids.”

But last year, Katja Lawrence told a neo-Nazi podcast that the reason she started the group was because she was “having a rough time finding Nazi-approved school material for [her] homeschool children.”

In their interview with Justice Report, the couple also criticized the public school system and made some wild allegations about their local schools.

“Our middle school has reportedly had incidents of kids having sex inside the hallways,” Katja Lawrence said. “Middle school! While I want my kids to be able to make their own choices, I want to shield them from certain things. I want my kids to grow up to be straight, married, and Christian.”

She also claimed a student in one of her daughter’s classes threw a chair at a teacher.

VICE News asked the superintendent of the Upper Sandusky Exempted Village Schools district for comment on these allegations but did not receive a response before publication.

While the Justice Report interview has not been shared widely, there has been an effort to promote it in the largest Upper Sandusky Facebook group, according to two people familiar with the matter. Someone attempted to publish a link to the article on Wednesday, but administrators of the group have been debating whether or not to publish it. At the time of publication, the link had not appeared in the group.

Following the revelations, the Lawrences were kicked out of a number of local homeschool groups on Facebook, but believed they would be welcomed at the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA). The HSLDA is the nation’s most influential homeschooling organization and has in the past promoted spanking, while opposing contraception, abortion, and same-sex marriage..

Unfortunately for the Lawrences, their brand of white supremacist homeschooling was not welcome at the HSLDA and their membership was rejected, according to a letter the couple shared with Justice Report.

Yet the Lawrences remain undeterred; they told the Justice Report their resolve to raise their children in a pro-Nazi environment is stronger than ever.

“I am deeply committed to giving my kids a positive, pro-White education,” Katja Lawrence said.”

An interesting ending to this, walking away deemed innocent potentially creating more havoc in their wake.

[legionnaireslover]

Ooo, Haters aren't liking this one!

And the comments! The readers can CLEARLY see the Haters exactly for they really are!... a bunch of frustrated, unhappy with their own lives, middle-aged women who want to feel a sense of superiority over someone who has what they lack. And a lot of it is deeply rooted in misogyny, racism or antisemitism.

THE Atlantic article is mentioned (and Gator, though not named, isn't portrayed in a very positive light, to say the least!). Of course the Haters are all in a snotty tizzy about this article.

And also, they just predictably folded what this article said into their Hater narrative! It's all just part of the attempt to draw attention away from the "truth" that the Septic/Haters are putting out there!

[schraubd]

A "Grand Bargain" on Israel and Antisemitism Discourse

Apropos of the controversy over Rep. Rashida Tlaib's (D-MI) declaration that those who back "Israel's apartheid government" cannot be progressives, I saw quite a few folks pointing to polling data which suggests most American Jews don't find "Israel is an apartheid state" to be an antisemitic statement. That's not to say that most Jews agree with that assessment, but only 28% disagree and find it to be antisemitic (25% agree with the statement, and 24% disagree but don't deem it antisemitic -- the remainder are unsure). The fact that many American Jewish organizations seem potentially out-of-step with median Jewish opinion was certainly a powerful rejoinder to their quick allegations that Tlaib's apartheid allegation was per se antisemitic.

The poll in question is one I've long found fascinating, and not the least because it offers a rare deep dive into what, exactly, American Jews think is and isn't antisemitic with respect to Israel. And the payoff is that Jews actually don't tend to think even most harsh critiques of Israel are antisemitic ... with one exception.

The huge outlier here is "Israel doesn't have a right to exist."  That statement simply blows all of its competitors out of the water -- a full two-thirds of American Jews find it antisemitic when no other statement (even some highly inflammatory ones about "genocide" are "apartheid") pushes much higher than 30%. It also has far fewer Jews agreeing with it, suggesting that "Israel has no right to exist" is viewed differently even by the nation's harshest critics. It's not, in other words, just a shuffling among Israel's supporters -- the other statements are disagreed with but aren't viewed as antisemitic; this one is disagreed with and is viewed as antisemitic. There appears to be a substantial portion of the American Jewish community that agrees with statements like "Israel is committing genocide" who nonetheless draw the line at "Israel doesn't have the right to exist."

A large part of me is just curious who that last group of Jews are and what their story is. But for the time being, this divergence suggests a potential "grand bargain" in how we talk about antisemitism and Israel: anti-Israel folks agree that opposing Israel's right to exist is antisemitic, and pro-Israel folks concede that all the other charges -- whether agreed to or not -- are fair play.

Now, as is the case of all "grand bargains", I fully expect this one to go nowhere because neither side has any particular need or desire to accept it. As much as this poll made for a nice "gotcha" moment in the context of the Tlaib controversy, anti-Israel commentators do not actually think the legitimacy of antisemitism allegations hinges much on what Jews think, and have been stubbornly insistent on going whole-hog on denying Israel's very validity as a state despite the fact that this seems to be a distinctive redline for the Jewish community over and beyond views that might be fairly categorized as (extreme) policy disagreement. But in fairness, pro-Israel organizations have not been especially interested in hitching their wagon to median Jewish opinion either, and -- for all the talk about "criticism is fine, but opposing Israel's existence isn't", they have been far from reliable in actually adhering to that line, viewing certain vitriolic criticisms as tantamount to "opposing Israel's right to exist" even as most Jews apparently draw a distinction between the two.

So my grand bargain proposal is not predictive: I don't think we actually will reach a détente along these lines. But in concept, it sure does present an interesting one, doesn't it?

via The Debate Link https://ift.tt/BuHGrJk

#anti-semitism #Israel #Jews

[adulting-sucks]

Honestly, it upsets me when I see comments stating that the only reason people don’t like the AB situationship is because we are jealous. No. I’m happily married. CE being in a relationship doesn’t change the fact that I chose my husband before I was really even a fan of his. She (AB) may have not said anything herself (that we know of) but she surrounds herself with people who have. Guilt by association. I find it funny that the same who are defending AB and CE, are the same people who were more than likely outraged when someone else’s tweets from 10 or so years ago that were inappropriate. Same way that those that say our outrage is rooted in jealousy, I say it’s pathetic how this man gets a pass because he’s a good looking actor who is their favorite. If this was someone famous they couldn’t stand? Oh it would be over for said famous person. The hypocrisy. For me, it’s the false narrative that CE presented himself for years, this person who played up that they were against racism, fatphobia, antisemitism, etc, but that all seemed to go silent once he found someone to give him some transatlantic poon. PR or not, it’s disgusting, and the only thing that upsets me even more is the outrage of the fandom for these things, but as soon as new content came out (Ghosted trailer) and all is forgiven. I’ve seen the blogs that have said it themselves. “Oh I was mad at him, but this trailer pulled me back in.” I guess it’s a good day to surround yourself with a questionable crowd when all you have to do is flash a smile, and give a look and all is forgiven. 🙄

So, this is a loaded situation for so many reasons.

People who choose to ignore what’s happening right in front of them do so because none of this affects them.

For me: seeing someone I admired, someone who stood up for the AAPI community during the Trump years, around others who think so little of my race and culture is disheartening.

But here’s the thing on that: yes, guilt by association does happen. But we also have no idea what the inner workings of Hollywood transactions are. We can guess and predict all we want but we will never know the full truth.

People are allowed to thirst and find whomever they want attractive, and for some, he does that. I don’t think anyone babies or defends him so much as we separate the man from the characters he plays. I compartmentalize things all throughout my life, and my love of movies and entertainment is in there.

I absolutely agree with the jealousy bullshit. But those super over the top fans have given us that reputation. My biggest issue lies in the fact that people see what’s blatantly in their face yet still want more proof that she’s a horrible person, just like her circle. They already have the proof, they just want to say more more more because they don’t want to believe it or choose to ignore it. OR: they see nothing wrong with what she does.

Her fan base is filled with many likeminded people. That’s why the jealousy argument stays valid. They see absolutely nothing wrong with what she, Kiko, and Justin have done.

If you are done with him, I get it. The only thing I ask is show a little grace to those who do still like him. We are allowed to call him out, and yes, we may thirst after his characters, but that doesn’t mean he’s off the hook

#let’s talk #we aren’t jealous #alba baptista is racist and so are her best friends

[clairehadenough]

I bet someone checked flights to see if she flew private or what flights fly to the place she was in. They always do just like following and checking anyone associated with either of them’s SM. They are so predictable.//

You know what gets to me about this whole situation is the ‘fans’ never take responsibility for their actions (well some have). The answer is always it’s Chris’s, hers and all their family and friends fault. They are the ones that have trolled and breadcrumbed the fandom. The ‘fans’ act like Chris |held a gun to their heads and made them do the following:

Stalk family/friends

Stalk flights

Stalk houses and list his properties all with the excuse it’s public record but none of them are actually in his name 🙄

Analysis of photos

Leave !hateful comments on normal peoples accounts, business accounts,

Tag businesses, friends and family

Body shame and name call and not just him and her but friends and family as well

Call him a groomer/p**o

Call her an escort/prostitute 

Claim she’s antisemitic - still waiting on proof of that one when it arrives I will acknowledge it.

Claim her family are N***s - again waiting for proof

Act like she is the most problematic person in the world

abuse anyone who might say anything positive about her

Abuse innocent people and call,them liars

Call businesses liars

Call celebrities liars

Send emails to his publicist, immigration and god knows who else

And they have no thought for the mental health affects 2 yrs of Constant online harassment has on Chris, her and the others they abuse and yet here we are with them ‘married’.

Have the ‘fans’ ever stop to think yes it may have started PR but the constant harassment actually brought them closer together and a real relationship happened.

I would look like worried if every time we went out together I knew the abuse/Analysis was coming 

 

Smart Anons are out in force tonight, we love to see it😍

Even if they obviously don’t know them specifically, of course they know about the crazies and all the damage they did/are still doing to the fandom because of their jealousy and madness. Why do you think they seldom post anymore

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Gap is now taking “immediate steps” to remove all Yeezy products from its stores and website amid Kanye West’s anti-Semitic comments.

via: Uproxx

Cancel culture isn’t real, but that isn’t stopping Kanye West from feeling the consequences of his recent actions in real time. They say life comes at you fast; Kanye, who challenged established institutions to silence him after making antisemitic remarks and disparaging George Floyd, is finding out just how fast.

In the past few weeks, he’s his bank accounts closed by JP Morgan, his social media accounts banned by Twitter and Instagram, and losing his lucrative partnerships with Balenciaga, Vogue, CAA, and most recently, Adidas, Gap, with which West said he ended his partnership over contract disputes before all this started, says that it’s “taking immediate steps” to remove Yeezy Gap products from its stores.

In a statement, Gap representatives wrote, “Our former partner’s recent remarks and behavior further underscore why we are taking immediate steps to remove Yeezy Gap product from our stores and we have shut down [the Yeezy Gap site]. Antisemitism, racism, and hate in any form are inexcusable and not tolerated in accordance with our values. On behalf of our customers, employees, and shareholders, we are partnering with organizations that combat hate and discrimination.”

While Ye maintains that he doesn’t believe his statements were antisemitic at all, the sad truth remains that theories like the ones he’s parroted in recent interviews and online have been used to justify hate and violence against Jewish people, and we’ve already seen signs that his words have motivated hate groups. Basically, he should be deplatformed and arguably, should have been four years ago when Zack Fox predicted this eventual turn of events (because, let’s face it, that train is never late).

Of course, he’ll be just fine despite not being a billionaire anymore (I’ll take $400 million any day of the week, thanks), and he’ll probably use this to justify some of his conspiratorial talking points but on the bright side, he’ll soon be the tree that falls in the forest with no one around to hear it.

[cyarskj1899]

Gap Is Removing Yeezy Products From Its Stores And Shut Down The Yeezy Gap Website

Walker

October 25, 2022 7:35 PM PST

Gap is now taking “immediate steps” to remove all Yeezy products from its stores and website amid Kanye West’s anti-Semitic comments.

via: Uproxx

Cancel culture isn’t real, but that isn’t stopping Kanye West from feeling the consequences of his recent actions in real time. They say life comes at you fast; Kanye, who challenged established institutions to silence him after making antisemitic remarks and disparaging George Floyd, is finding out just how fast.

In the past few weeks, he’s his bank accounts closed by JP Morgan, his social media accounts banned by Twitter and Instagram, and losing his lucrative partnerships with Balenciaga, Vogue, CAA, and most recently, Adidas, Gap, with which West said he ended his partnership over contract disputes before all this started, says that it’s “taking immediate steps” to remove Yeezy Gap products from its stores.

In a statement, Gap representatives wrote, “Our former partner’s recent remarks and behavior further underscore why we are taking immediate steps to remove Yeezy Gap product from our stores and we have shut down [the Yeezy Gap site]. Antisemitism, racism, and hate in any form are inexcusable and not tolerated in accordance with our values. On behalf of our customers, employees, and shareholders, we are partnering with organizations that combat hate and discrimination.”

While Ye maintains that he doesn’t believe his statements were antisemitic at all, the sad truth remains that theories like the ones he’s parroted in recent interviews and online have been used to justify hate and violence against Jewish people, and we’ve already seen signs that his words have motivated hate groups. Basically, he should be deplatformed and arguably, should have been four years ago when Zack Fox predicted this eventual turn of events (because, let’s face it, that train is never late).

Of course, he’ll be just fine despite not being a billionaire anymore (I’ll take $400 million any day of the week, thanks), and he’ll probably use this to justify some of his conspiratorial talking points but on the bright side, he’ll soon be the tree that falls in the forest with no one around to hear it.