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onceuponarewatch · 6 months

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ONCE UPON A REWATCH S4EP11: HEROES AND VILLAINS

In which The Narrators Three Discuss: Belle We Are So Proud Of You, Our Good and Clever Boy Henry, Hold Me Little John, Trauma to Evil Pipeline, One of These Things is Not Like the Others, Show Us The Dang Wedding, We’ll Miss You Arendelle Gang, and Three Cheers for Pettiness!

#ouat #once upon a rewatch #4x11 heroes and villains #ouat heroes and villains #ouat 4x11 #oncers

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yellowbugifs · 4 months

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4/365 days of regina mills

#reginamillsedit #ouatedit #ouat #once upon a time #lana parrilla #regina mills #heroes and villains #365rm

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dinneratgrannys · 10 months

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ONCE UPON A TIME 4.12, Heroes & Villains

#ouatedit #onceuponatimeedit #swanqueenedit #once upon a time #ouat #swan queen #emma swan #regina mills #s4 #4x12 heroes and villains #dynamic: swan queen #event: rewatch 22

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mccallhero · 4 months

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favourite ouat scenes: 47/?

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queennomnom · 2 years

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Regina was a great mother and no one can tell me otherwise

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pineartppland · 7 months

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Inktober Day 10 : Fortune

#my art #inktober #inktober 2023 #inktober day 10 #fortune #once upon a time #ouat #emma swan #killian jones #captain hook #captain swan #cs #operation mangoose #heroes and villains

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gay-strawberry · 3 months

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this frame is so good idk why. shes a nerd i love her so much

#once upon a time #ouat rewatch #ouat #this is my least favorite arc btw #emma dark one is not for me #but the villains/heroes swap part is one of my fav things #i wish that part was longer #im on the first half of season 5 btw #s5e3

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aesthetic--mood · 7 months

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Henry Mills Aesthetic

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once-upon-a-happy-end · 1 year

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If you like put in the tags why 😊

#killian jones #captain hook #dark hook #the dark one #heroes and villains #lieutenant jones #wish hook #once upon a time #ouat #poll #polls #my first poll #did i do it right

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midgardianqueenreturns · 1 year

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This is a very bizarre comparison since they’re from different genres (and mediums), but I have to say, My Hero Academia did “Most of the villains have a tragic backstory” a lot better than Once Upon a Time did.

#In OUAT it began to feel stale and forced by season 3 but I’ve never gotten that feeling with MHA’s villains and it has six seasons so far #I think the reason why is that most of MHA’s villains’ tragic backstories had actual thought put into them and there was lots of variety #While in OUAT it was mostly copy paste sob stories and basic “sad thing happened to me now I’m evil” with hardly any thought put into them #That is for later seasons of course it worked with Regina and Rumple in season 1 bc there was ya know thought effort and variety #Maybe this isn’t a fair comparison but I couldn’t help but notice #MHA #My Hero Academia #My Villain Academia #Anti OUAT #OUAT crit #OUAT critical #BNHA #MHA Positivity #BNHA Positivity

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atone-with-a-lone-prayer · 5 months

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Might be an unpopular opinion, but the scene in the elevator in Changelings is THE saddest Rumbelle moment.

Heroes and Villains/town line scene is bad. That damn Beauty scene is heartbreaking.

But Belle is genuinely terrified of Rumple in that elevator and it is unbelievably devastating. She had never been scared of him until that exact point. And he is in such blind pain, he’s doing everything he can think of to fix it and none of it is working. Everything hurts.

I can’t take it. Too fucking sad.

#unhinged Rumbelle thoughts hour #changeling #heroes and villains #once upon a time #ouat #beauty #I’m leaving Rumbelle out of the tags because this is a BUMMER

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2018wattpaduser · 2 years

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Another ouat related stuff

Beware I'm becoming an unstoppable fan

I'm only in the first half of the 5th season but I can't stop. I love them so much. The love that they have is... special. It's in their every move.

When they hold hands

When they hug

When they dance

When they kiss

Simply when they're close

I just need them

And they need each other ❤

#captain swan #emma swan #killian jones #captain hook #i'm addicted #i ship these two so much #ouat #once upon a time #ouat s3 #ouat s4 #ouat s5 #hand holding #kissing #dancing #heroes and villains #hugging #i love them #if anything happens to them i'll die

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dinneratgrannys · 10 months

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Hey, Killian, what’s wrong? You’re acting strange.

#onceuponatimeedit #ouatedit #captainswanedit #once upon a time #ouat #captain swan #emma swan #killian jones #s4 #4x12 heroes and villains #dynamic: captain swan #event: rewatch 22 #the way he breaks through just for a minute to try and warn her!! my heart

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scripted-downfall · 2 years

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Heart Shining Through

I know it has probably been analyzed to death, but the scene in s4e11 (Heroes and Villains) between Emma and Hook in the diner — the one where Rumple is controlling Killian’s heart to tell Emma about the portal to Arandelle — is a bloody master course in acting, and every little detail is just brilliant.

The way he enters, which is just so very not him. It looks like Rumple tried to capture everything that is Captain Hook without processing the undercurrent of Killian Jones that tempers his usual pirate persona, resulting in, basically, arrogance, rather than mostly harmless albeit cocky swagger. I can’t recall a single instance of him saying something like “I may not be the Savior, but I just saved the day.” Add to that the fact that his words have none of his usual energy, none of his usual flirtation/innuendo, nor of his more intimate romance, and it’s subtly apparent that something is wrong from the second he walks in.

Also, the hand gestures throughout the scene. The way his hand hovers out to the side like it’s just waiting to be used as she inquires, You… found a portal? The wide, swinging gestures of, Well, I found Gold, and he told me how to locate one and the sentence right after. The gesture when he’s discussing the Snow Queen entering the Land Without Magic, which mirrors Gold’s as he gesticulates, heart in hand. Perhaps most notably, the face and hand gesture he makes during the I, alas, tsk, bruised myself during the curse; really need to get it seen to is classic Gold, and I can’t really describe it beyond that.

The idea that Killian Jones, pirate captain who lost a hand and got right up to kill the man who did it, would be waylaid by a bruise is, frankly, laughable.

Then there’s the fact that Rumple tried to have Killian leave with his final sentence being something about said injury. There’s no real goodbye, no message to Emma, nothing along those lines; it’s merely a discussion of the bruise and that’s it (which ties in well with Rumple’s character and how guided by selfishness he is, and not so much with Killian’s, since he’s basically an honor-bound romantic at heart).

His facial expressions, too, are just different, alien to how he usually handles himself, or suspicious given the context. Rolling his eyes at Yes… it appears our Rumplestiltsken truly has… turned over a new leaf. The deadness in his expression as Emma stops him and asks if he’s okay, and the fakeness to the subsequent reassurance that he is. The way he keeps his eyes open when they kiss, despite closing them in most circumstances. The equally dead intonation behind See you around… love that feels so very fake.

And then there’s how Rumple plays Killian, so heavily based on his own perceptions without deference to reality. He claims that He gave me a long-winded explanation about a portal. About how it brought the Snow Queen to this land… which I don’t recall, and that is massively out of character. It isn’t in Killian’s nature to not process at least the gist of something, much less to have no memory of it; after all, he was a ship’s captain, so processing a large volume of information quickly was kind of a necessity. Add that to the aforementioned over-arrogance and it’s abundantly clear that it’s not Killian with whom Emma is dealing.

Especially with the earlier moment where he pours his rum into a teacup, which is such a very subtle detail, to the point that I didn’t notice it the first time I watched the scene, and yet it’s so very meaningful. After all, I can’t remember a single instance of him pouring rum. Even in Neverland, he simply passed the entire flask to Emma for her to take a sip; hell, he even shared with Snow and Charming directly from the flask, too. And then, as if the dishing-out-the-rum weren’t enough, his receptacle of choice was a teacup. The very artifact already irrevocably associated with Rumple, and something we’ve almost never seen Hook handle.

And finally, most noticeable of all, is the hand-grab at the end. The way he actually manages to fight possession-by-enchanted-heart long enough to reach out to her, to hold her arm like it’s a bloody lifeline and do his very best not to let go. He does, eventually — has to, given the fact that his heart is still being controlled — but it’s enough to let her know that something is amiss, enough to let him have at least a second of genuine contact before marching off to what he believes will be his death.

At any rate, the sheer brilliance of the acting in every ounce of this exchange has possessed me for ages… I hope this made sense and wasn’t just boring ranting, but Colin O'Donoghue was genius in this scene and I wanted to rant about it :)

#once upon a time #ouat #emma swan #captain hook #killian jones #rumplestiltskin #captain swan #a bit #heart possession #colin o'donoghue #scene analysis #4x11 #heroes and villains #i love this scene

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kazoosandfannypacks · 2 years

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#ouattober2022 Day 27- Coolest Outfit- Emma's Second Heroes and Villains Outfit [4.23]

(Yes I know what at least one of you is thinking: "why is the sword in her left hand?" Well, I'll have you know it's because Jennifer Morrison is a huge Princess Bride fan and headcanon that Emma Swan is because first off why not and second I love the parallels for her own life and third the way she rolls her eyes when Hook says "as you wish" in 3.5 so very clearly she's a princess bride fan and do you think she passed up the opportunity to do the "I am not left handed" bit as soon as she had a sword in her hand because I don't think so so yeah that's why the sword is in her left hand it definitely wasn't that I wasn't thinking it through clearly when I drew my rough sketch at 1am last night and then just didn't notuce until i started coloring don't @ me)

#ouattober2022 #once upon a time #ouat #emma swan #once upon a time fanart #once upon a time season 4 #heroes and villains #kazzy draws #kazzy draws fanart #jennifer morrison #princess bride

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martianbugsbunny · 1 year

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Why I Think Rumplestiltskin Would Work Paired With Another Villain

I spent way too much time on this. Like, an hour too much time. But it was also fun, so I guess it was worth it. Also, it ends kind of abruptly, because I ran out of thoughts and couldn’t come up with a lil bow to slap on at the end, so I’m sorry bout that. It’s all under the cut, let me know what you think.

Okay so obviously with Rumbelle, he makes the choice to become a good person because he is always held up to the standard of goodness that Belle creates. (Which is, in itself, a bit weird, considering she was capable of falling in love with the Dark One? In the beginning she only said she wanted to see the beast behind the man, not that she wanted to change him entirely, so her later insistence that he’s too dark for her is a little bit s u s.)

It’s an interesting relationship trope for sure. The person who’s full of light helps the dark and angry one to see what they’ve become by comparison, and then inspires them to be better. And I think Belle kinda works for it because she doesn't try to make Rumple into the better person she wants him to be; she makes him do it on his own. It’s when it’s ‘to be worthy of her love’ that is inconsistent in-universe.

But I also think villain/villain would work for Rumple. And yes, this was spawned entirely from my ruminations on CaptainCroc.

Consider you this: maybe he meets Hook before he becomes the Dark One, maybe he doesn’t. That part doesn’t matter so much. But the first years of their love story would be ‘back in the day’, when they’re both very much villains. One is a man who steals and loots from regular people (although there does seem to be a *loose* code between pirates, so long as neither of them has a clear advantage); the other is a man who preys on the desperate. Neither of them does the right thing, and neither of them really cares. They would feed into each other’s darker tendencies, maybe even enjoy hearing stories of each other’s evil exploits.

In that case, when it’s the modern day, there’s some interesting stuff that can happen.

Scenario One: They reunite and that ignites the spark of wickedness in both of them, and they return to their old pattern of feeding each other’s darkness. They probably both have to be killed by the heroes in order to stop them. Rumple would be killed first, because he’s the bigger threat, and Hook would have to be killed when he goes on a vengeful rampage. If, and only if, he’s incredibly lucky, he isn’t killed, and after many years is able to be rehabilitated and live an ordinary, if remorseful, life. But they would take delight in watching each other do terrible things, and they would have a really twisted, dark version of romance that would be equal parts horrifying and entrancing to watch.

Scenario Two: They help each other become better. Sub-Scenario One is that Hook realizes what their darkness cost them: several hundred years apart, as well as Rumple’s son, and he decides that in order for them to ever be happy they have to reform. It’s similar to the villain/hero thing, in that Rumple only chooses to do better for the sake of his loved one, except if Rumple or Hook ever falters in their goodness, the other understands, because I fully believe that both of them would have a relapse at one point or another. Eventually they would balance out and become not paragons of virtue, but decent people--probably not going with the heroes to save the world, but also not actively trying to destroy it. Sub-Scenario Two is that Rumple realizes what his love for power cost him: his son (this would happen before Bae’s death, rather than after). He figures that his family will never be able to heal and reunite if he doesn’t change, and I like the new dimension this gives it. Instead of changing for a romantic love, he changes for the love of family, which is both one of the strongest canon points of his character and also one of the biggest missed potentials. He refrains from doing evil things, but he doesn’t ask Hook to do the same. He doesn’t care if Hook is morally dubious, because Hook’s pirating wasn’t what separated their family. Eventually, Hook starts to feel strange about his husband being a better man than he is, because Rumple was always worse. He’s angry for a while, because he thinks Rumple has abandoned his real self, but he comes to realize that Bae is happier, Rumple is happier, and people hate them less, so he also puts in effort to change. Again, they probably have relapses, Rumple after Bae’s death for sure, but because neither of them has the moral high ground, there’s no demeaning or tension or anger about it; maybe a little bit of disappointment, but nothing on the level of Belle’s anger because she sees herself as better than she is and better than Rumple.

Scenario Three: One of them gets better and the other one gets worse. I don’t think either of them would kill the other (although if one did, I actually think it would be Hook) but their relationship would fall apart. Sub-Scenario One: This also ends with both of them dying; one of them is killed by the heroes for being evil, and the other becomes evil again after that and is also killed by the heroes. Sub-Scenario Two: they both die; the good one trying to protect/save the evil one, who is killed anyway because he can’t reconcile with the people who killed his husband. Sub-Scenario Three: the good one dies trying to protect/save the evil one, who backs down from the brink when he realizes that his clinging to the darkness is the reason his husband died. He then reforms and becomes a better person, but he’s always kind of bitter and never helps the heroes in even a small way.

See, there’s really only one way villain/hero can go down. The villain either has to point-blank reform, no room for grey morality, or the person they love will leave them. And while it can be a beautiful depiction of how love is a struggle, but ultimately worth it, it can also seem disgustingly tense and one-sided. (Somehow, I think Rumbelle comes off one-sided for both of them? It feels one-sided for Belle because Rumple doesn’t give up his power for her. It feels one-sided for Rumple because he would love her no matter what else was going on in their lives, no matter who she became.) That aside, it’s spectacular and epic when it’s done well, but even well-done it can slip into the realm of implausibility.

(I’m not even going to suggest the hero also becoming evil, because I can’t think of a single instance of that happening, even though it would be an interesting psychological commentary.)

Villain/villain, on the other hand, has so many branching points. The villains have to have a very specific and believable motivation for becoming better people, because just loving a person who’s good isn’t their motivation; or at least, it’s not the motivation of the first one to turn. It has to be painstaking. You have to consider all these different scenarios and sub-scenarios and which one fits the villains best. And regardless of which one you pick, you know you’re getting a couple who will forgive each other and love each other, maybe even bordering on enabling, even when they falter. And that, I think, is what appeals to me most about the concept (CaptainCroc aside). They may both start out as villains, but wherever they end up in life, they understand each other. And even if that understanding can lead to enabling, it can also be a source of support because the small failures aren’t blown way out of proportion, which yields less bitterness and anger in general, which will lead the villain to commit less big mistakes.

#once upon a time #ouat #rumplestiltskin #Captain Hook #captaincroc #captain crocodile #goldenhook #villain/villain #rumbelle #villain/hero #martianbugsbunny opines

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