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The Legend of Korra: Makorra is better than K*rrasami!?! My honest thoughts on this debate!!!

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I’m not at all against LGBT representation; but I care a lot about how it’s written or introduced. Korrasami just did not feel natural. If anything it just felt like they were becoming better and closer friends. Whereas Makorra, I’ll admit had some problems and a break up was necessary, went through a great deal of change and growth. And they absolutely deserved another chance at love with each otherShow less I feel the same way it's like korra and asami are just like good besties or really close friends I mean yes their both independent and good but there's no spark in their love or relationship as no one even thought of that or is unexpected I always thought korra will end up with mako til the end but yeah the love triangle or mako's confusion and Kora's responsibility both get on the way but am still hoping maybe they might workout since everyone can change by timeShow less

Bro I wish there was a way we could form a makorra community to retcon the comics and make a different storyline after season 4.Korrasami just feels unnatural.Hopefully once shity Covids over someone has the brains to do it same as a lot of people have done like fan films for star wars sequels and stuff

Thank you for this, but nowadays we can't even say we don't like Korrasami or criticize how poorly it is made without being called homophobic

on the blush part and how you brought up how toph blushed at a compliment from someone she had no romantic feelings toward I also have to point out that korra blushed at bolins compliment as well and its been shown that she had no romantic feelings for bolin ( also in b1 bryke referred to korra and mako as soulmates)

in remembrances in b4 mako got a whole speech about what korra meant to him as a person ( while in that ep asami only brought up korra the avatar ( going of course we need you youre the avatar ) and korras problem was focusing on korra the avatar not as a person asami failed in helping her she misunderstood what korra needed ( while tenzin succeded by bringing up korra as a person and makos speech makes me think if mako was there instead of asami mako would have understood what korra needed) which is why I dont see korra and asami scene in b4 as evidence for korrasami

it makes it clear to me bryke just threw in korrasami at the last minute they outright admitted that when they wrote the finale they had thought about how they didnt involve representation and went to the execs to see if they can do it ) it says to me that they didnt build up to korrasami and just threw it in at the last minute and then proceeded to try and cover their asses by pretending it was planned

( heck in the finale when jinora said they couldnt find her the camera focused on makos face not asamis camera zooms and music swells signify importance so makos reaction was given importance over asamis

(mako and korra had mutual flaws that broke them up in b2 and had overcame those flaws and proceeded to reconnect and support each other on good terms

this is a story in the end good writing is more important then whether a ships representation or not korrasami was just thrown in at the last minute it had no buildup its not good writing to make it happen while its rep making korrasami happen is just bad writing thus it shouldnt have happened ( not to mention korra going on vacation is ooc of her )

in my eyes if they really were concerned about rep they should have said to themselves in the next series we make we will include lgbt rep with a mc and have hints to kya being lgbt in finale or or imply asami is bi but not having her get together with korra)

“ reunion strongly implied that Korra wrote only the one letter, and giving Korra more direct interactions with Mako than Asami.“

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I'm really tired of this of Korrasami was subtle nonsense from Korrasami shippers for 2 reasons. 1 Subtle means non existent all these people have is a letter and a blush really Makorra has whole episodes like The Revelation and Beyond the Wilds, and a 11 minute segment in Remembrances. 2 Korra is not a subtle person when she wants something/someone she goes hard at the goal like in Book she was not subtle at all in regards to wanting Mako as you and many others have pointed out

The trick with being subtle is that subtle needs to exist in an environment quiet enough not to drown it. If implications that the writers didn’t intend are louder than the ones that they did intend (as is the case of both Beyond the Wilds and Remembrances), there’s a serious problem.

And, yeah, Korra is absolutely the wrong person to characterize with romantic subtlety. Korra’s as subtle as a jackhammer, and it’s entirely fair for the audience to expect her to continue to be that way.

heck the blush isnt evidence for romantic attraction for korra for she blushed after asami complimented her ( when korra was feeling down) the same thing happened in spirits of competition with bolin who she clearly showed she wasnt into romantically

instead have korra with mako and talk about how much work they have to do ( possibly a hint or 2 of them getting back together

( I have to add that in the

and on the censorship claim

"Censorship explains why we couldn’t get a kiss and an “I love you” in the finale or blatant romantic scenes, not the utter lack of Korra-Asami interaction as a whole. They had six (to six and a half) minutes of interaction in the last season, spread out over six interactions/conversations. They’ve had nearly no on-screen interaction since “Long Live the Queen,” actually. They had the 5 second “I can come to the South Pole” convo in “Korra Alone” (which Korra refused), the single letter, their interactions in “Reunions,” and then the tea scene in “Remembrances.” After that, they don’t speak again until the last two minutes of the finale. The episode after “Remembrances” is the Korra-Mako field trip to the Spirit Wilds and Zaheer’s prison and the culmination of Korra’s recovery arc. Where was Asami? She had two lines in the whole episode, and they were both to Varrick."

and bryke only thought of korrasami at the last minute when they were making the finale and admitted that whenhe went to the executives to ask if they could do it it was the finale of book 4 was already being made ( paraphrased ) he out right talked about how he thought to himself about how they didnt include any lgbt rep and when they were making the finale he went to the executives to see if they could do it ( it was only at the last minute that he even asked and how he worded it combined with the nonexistent buildup ( it wasnt subtle it was nonexistent ) adds to my belief that he only thought about korrasami being a thing at the last minute andd threw it in at the last minutes in an ooc scene as a publicity stunt they did korrasami because it was popular

mako showed he could support korra the way she needed to be supported in the field trip episode while asami showed she couldnt in remembrances where she went you are the avatar we need you then tenzin came in and succeded to help korra by bringing up how she grew as a person

korra thinking of korraas the avatar and centering her identity on that was her whole issue

mako was the only

( it would have been better if instead of making a last minute retcon either have it implied asami crushing on korra but not having korra reciprocate or having kya imply she has a girlfriend ( with korra talking with the krew about how there is a lot of work to do ( with possible makorra hints )

asami doesnt seem to really get korra she seems to treat Korra as a lot more fragile and needy than Korra really is in a way that Korra doesn’t ever seem to appreciate.

the aspersions Bryan cast on the fandom for not accepting what amounted to a last-minute retcon have been functioning (whether intentionally or not) to shield the creators from any criticism for their own fault in the poor execution of their endgame ship, allowing them to take all of the credit for being “subversive” and none of the blame for breaking their existing narrative to do it.

bryke admitted they only asked if they could do it

when they were making the finale and they claimed that it was brought up by a realization they didnt include any rep ( whether thats true or its just a publicity stunt doesnt matter korrasami being the first only same sex pairing in avatar series doesnt matter it being the first same sex pairing with a main protagonist in cartoons doesnt matter . it doesnt matter that korrasami was the only same sex pairing in lok ( that without it lok would have no lgbt rep ( it would be no diffferent from atla in that regard and good writing is more important then filling a quota )

it shouldnt have been done good writing is more important then that throwing in a ship as a last minute retcon is just bad writing I would say if they were really concerned about that rather than break narrative an act of bad writing make a side character lgbt or imply asami is bi

( just make it happen with main character in a next series they make it wouldnt ahve the same impact but it would be better then a last minute retcon with no buildup and breaking the narrative which pointed to makorra getting backtogether ( who overcome the mutual flaws that led to the breakup ( and got along well ( neither of them would have worked with anyone in b2

given korras canonical personality along with asamis and how their needs Icant imagine korrasami working (and they had to change korras canonical personality to try and get it to work )

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And yet they had almost no interaction after “Long Live the Queen.“

Let’s count ‘em out, shall we?

The hug in “Enter the Void” (of which Mako got one too–and who got the close-up and the music swell? It wasn’t the Korra-Asami hug)

The ‘I’m here to talk if you need me’ scene in “Venom of the Red Lotus” (which at that point could have easily been interpreted as a scene between two friends/a supportive and compassionate friend, and which was very in character for Asami as a whole)

Asami’s offer to go to the South Pole with Korra in “Korra Alone” (which Korra refused)

Korra’s single letter to Asami (which is also ambiguous; you could read it as romantic or you could read it as “who else is she gonna reply to? Her ex-boyfriend, who she’s still awkward with, or Bolin, who bless him, truly cares, but is naive and isn’t really all that serious and besides that is currently working for the woman taking what Korra views as "her job”)

Their interactions in “Reunions” (which focused equally on her reunion with Mako and the Wu drama)(four interactions, two of which were directly related to the Wu drama and the other two on Korra’s leave of absence/silence)

The tea scene in “Remembrances” (during which Asami said nothing to Korra that Tenzin didn’t echo and that Mako, Tenzin, and Bolin hadn’t said to Korra before)

The last minutes of the finale

So over the course of the 14 episodes of Book 4, we have a grand total of five interactions between Korra and Asami, only 1 of which can be nonambiguously interpreted as romantic ( ( altered by me ) the finale conversation). Meanwhile Mako and Korra get an entire episode dedicated to finishing Korra’s recovery arc and their friendship/relationship? And Mako is there to support Korra during the culmination of her recovery arc, not Asami, the person Bryke is attempting to write in a potential future romantic relationship with Korra? And Mako is the one who Bryke basically explicitly states within canon as being still deeply in love with Korra and being inspired by her (several times), while Asami never gets a word in about how she feels about Korra until those last five minutes? And Mako is the one who the “camera” focuses on when Jinora says she can’t find Korra in the finale, not Asami? And a dozen other things? Lol, seems unevenly balanced to me.

The only member of the core Krew Korra had less interaction this season with was Bolin, with whom she only got one direct conversation the entire season (“Beyond the Wilds”).

Like…say what you want, but that’s very poor relationship development. It’s poor FRIENDSHIP development too (like god, poor Bolin; he was her first friend, too). Bryke dropped the ball on interpersonal relationship development within the Krew this season. Like hell, I expected Korra to remain single and I still think there was a far bigger case for the rebuilding of the Makorra relationship at this point (as presented within canon) than there was for the building of a Korrasami relationship.

the problem with book 2 makorra wasnt that there was conflict it was the way they handled that conflict and they fixed that issue by b4 makorra wasnt a terrible relationship

korra wouldnt have worked with anyone in book 2

arguing isnt inherently unhealthy (

I view korrasami as a last minute retcon ( they admitted they thought of korrasami around the time finale was being made an thats when they went to the executive to ask if they could do it

They admitted they didn’t approach the network until the finale was underway, they edited it in in retakes, and (I’ve heard but I can’t confirm) called the voice actresses in in secret to record their final dialogue.

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(all from “The Southern Lights”–thanks to forevergirlkorra)

During the pictured hug: “You never cease to amaze me.”

Korra: “Thanks. By the way, I’m really sorry for being a total pain. Things were really stressful and pretty confusing. It’s hard being the Avatar.”

Mako: “[Jokingly] It’s harder being the Avatar’s boyfriend. [Nudges Korra before they hug.]

What do all of these arguments have in comment? Oh wait…Korra picking fights and trying to force Mako to “pick sides” (which side is never clear). What else do all these arguments have in common? Oh right…Mako attempting to be a supportive, loving boyfriend while attempting to do his job.

And the big one that you seem to be focusing on.

For context, this is immediately after Mako’s found out that Korra is basically planning insurrection and hauling off sections of the United Forces (commanded by General Iroh) against the will of Raiko and Republic City. Aka, doing it her way instead of trying to understand Raiko’s point of view (and I hate him, hate him hate him hate him, but I still understand what he was doing and why he was doing it when he refused her plea for troops) and actually trying to promote peace. Korra was emotionally compromised and under incredible stress the entire season. Mako attempted to be supportive and loving and continued to do so until Korra’s actions interfered with his ability to do his job to the fullest extent and interfered with his ability to follow the law. Yes; he chose following the law over letting his girlfriend wander off with a section of the United Republic’s army. That’s not choosing Korra over his job. That’s Korra blatantly interfering with his ability to do his job truthfully and faithfully.

As Raiko said: “Your activities here are bordering on insurrection. The Avatar does not command the military of the Republic. Don’t go behind my back again.”

Korra has no right to command the Republic’s military. It’s not under her authority, and it’s not her decision. And instead of taking no for an answer, Korra thought she could just go behind Raiko’s back and wander off with them anyway. Honestly, the best thing Mako did in this situation was inform Raiko about the situation.

And the kicker: the breakup.

Let’s see what’s going on, yeah? Mako is trying to figure out who bombed the Southern Tribe Cultural Center, trying to do his normal job as a cop, and trying to keep his girlfriend from committing treason and insurrection because she thinks an army is the best way to solve the Water Tribe Civil War. Korra is under incredible stress, dealing with the Water Tribe Civil War, her home being invaded, her parents imprisoned or hurt, and Raiko’s apparent callousness to the whole situation. NO relationship could thrive under these conditions, even the strongest one. You are repeatedly ignoring the CONTEXT of the situation in which they broke up. Mako repeatedly tried to help and be supportive, and Korra repeatedly rebuffed him and picked fights. Though they were both to blame (for varying reasons), the fault for the disintegration of their relationship lies mainly at Korra’s feet and the feet of outside influences/events.

And alright…let’s get some things straight on the whole Makorrasami drama in the back half of Book 2.

Good, I’m glad you admit that Asami kissed him. That’s half the battle with some people. Now we get to examine Asami'smutual complicity and responsibility in the creation and mishandling of the Makorrasami drama instead of blaming it all on Mako.

So. “The Sting.” Mako, seeing that Asami’s in trouble, organizes an unofficial sting operation, culminating in a double cross that leaves Asami’s last warehouse empty. The following exchange happens:

Asami: [Defeated.] Just stop. It’s over. I give up.

Mako: Well, I’m not giving up on you.

Asami: [She kisses Mako.] Sorry, I-

Mako: Uh … It’s-it’s okay. Um … anyway … I gotta run. I’m gonna find out who did this. And I know just who to ask.

Now, this was not technically in the wrong, as both of them are single, but it was still a dick move. Asami is well aware that Mako and Korra just broke up, and yet she seems to give no thought to the implications of getting back together with Mako, especially the implications for her friendship with Korra. Not to mention the fact that she seems to give no thought to Mako’s feelings or emotions and what he’s going through in the aftermath of the breakup. It’s honestly a bit out of character for Asami, though it’s probably explained by her own personal emotional vulnerability at the time, considering she had basically just lost everything.

Now, anyway, fast forward through Wan’s story to “The Guide.”

Asami: [To Mako.] “Sounds like you’ve had a pretty busy week.” [Puts her hand on his chest.] “Maybe you just need to relax.”

Bolin[Pensively.] “Wait a minute. Are you two— ”[Mako and Asami look back at him before he gasps and points his finger toward them.] “you’re dating again? What?”

Mako:“Dating? No!”

Asami: “That’s crazy!”

Bolin: “Korra just left a week ago!”

Mako: [Cut to aerial view.] “Guys, listen to me. Varrick is up to no good, and I have proof.”

It’s left up in the air as to whether or not they’re actually dating. Both say they aren’t, but it comes off as kind of a ‘yeah but we’re not going to admit it.’ We get one more kiss and the sort of hint of a possible date. “Remembrances” points out that the relationship was not official, and that neither him nor Asami had actually worked out whether they were dating again (when I was watching, I was trying to figure out if they were actually dating or if it was a friend with benefits relationship+emotional baggage). Bolin assumes they are (and brings up Asami as “kinda started dating” in “Harmonic Convergence”), but we never get a clear picture about what’s going on there. Anyway, immediately after this, Mako is arrested, Asami seemingly abandons him, claiming that it’s “too painful to see him in prison because it reminds her of her father.”

And then Korra comes back and we get that whole clusterfuck. Yes, Mako screwed up. Yes, it was wrong. And yes, he was called out for it and faced the consequences of his actions. Mako clearly felt guilty about doing it as soon as it happened; we see him attempt at least twice to tell Korra about their situation during the course of the next two episodes (pre-Harmonic Convergence stuff going down), only to stop because a) he’s terrified of her reaction (rightly so considering her reaction to their first breakup and the initial situation in which he was going to tell her about it) b) he doesn’t want to hurt her even more (she did run off crying in “Peacekeepers,” and he does love her) and c) in his own words, “I guess I wanted to pretend that the breakup never happened.” C is the least acceptable reasoning for not telling, but they’re all pretty horrible excuses.

….and yet Asami never said anything. We get like what? The two shots of her looking at him in annoyance and betrayal? But she never says anything about it, either to Mako or Korra. Why not? She’s had no problem calling Mako out before in regards to their relationship (“Turning the Tides”). Why does she stay silent?

So yes, he took advantage of the situation presented to him. Yes, this was a dick move, and something that he should be called out for (and was). Was it cheating? Possibly. It could go either way. If it was, Bryke made practically no effort to show and define it as such. Mako is only responsible for the mishandling of the fallout. Let’s not forget that the consequences of him doing this was a “real” breakup with Korra in “Light in the Dark” and lingering awkwardness around Korra and Asami the first half of the third season. Not to mention the fandom’s everlasting hatred. Mako was not rewarded for his actions; far from it.

Mako’s character is centered on protecting people and being in control of his life, both of which stem from his childhood and adolescence on the streets and basically becoming a father to Bolin at the age of eight. This leads to some poor handling of his interpersonal relationships due to him a) not having had any before and b) wanting to not hurt those he cares about. As Tu said in “Remembrances,”“You know, it seems like you’re so afraid to disappoint anyone that you end up disappointing everyone.”

The other ironic thing is that you are passionately arguing against why Makorra doesn’t work, ignoring the immense growth both characters experienced in Books 3 and 4 that would make it so that they would work. People always point out “they didn’t work,” not recognizing that it was outside pressures that was the catalyst for their breakup (as far as we know, they had a happy, healthy, functioning relationship for the entire six-month gap; we don’t get to see that portion, as Book 2 starts up with the tension already brewing) and that it was their mutual immaturity, conflicting responsibilities, and an inability to apologize that led to their breakup. ALL THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE BOOK 2. Korrasami shippers neglect and refuse to recognize the growth of Korra and Mako since Book 2 that lead to their ability to have a functioning relationship post-Book 4.

Both Korra and Mako have had independent character development over the course of Books 3 and 4 that essentially solve the issues that drove them apart in Book 2. Both learned how to juggle their own personal emotional issues with their jobs, both grew up and matured, Mako learned how to handle his interpersonal relationships with people better, Korra’s emotional arc progressed immensely and cooled her naivety and hotheadedness down quite a bit, Korra (largely) has stopped defining herself by her role as the Avatar (and thus basing her self-worth solely on that identity and her capacity to perform it), they learned how to apologize to each other when they argued (something showcased in “Reunion” and something rather lacking in their relationship during Book 2)…they basically grew up, and it did WONDERS for any relationship they might have post-Book 4, whether that relationship be platonic or romantic. However, you saying that Korra and Mako didn’t work and so can’t work ignores the immense growth both characters have experienced since their breakup that affect how they would treat their relationship and how well it would work out.

Alright. Since this post is already getting WAY too long, I’m going to point you here (fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/106434942870/korra-mako-interactions-vs-korra-asami), here( fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/106208675325/littlekorrasamithings-everyone-saying-korrasami), here (fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/105951907185/whats-so-frustrating-about-all-the-complaints), here(fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/178468915315/how-mako-talks-about-korra-vs-how-asami-talks/embed), here ( fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/105945181530/queensolverson-answered-your-post) , here (fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/105843268765/i-think-its-funny-that-you-say-korrasami-is), and here (fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/106044561415/commissionergorgon-commissionergorgon) for why I think Asami and Korra got way less development. Short answer: they got less screentime, less interaction, less relationship buildup, and less depth, not to mention blatant OOCness on both their parts during the finale scene.

And just for kicks, because you brought up the blush:

“Are you kidding me? You’re the smartest, funniest, toughest, buffest, talentedest, incrediblest girl in the world!” [Korra laughs] “You really feel that way about me?”

[The Borra ship went on to sink coldly and cruelly halfway through this episode and never resurfaced]

Now why do you think there were issues interpeting the blush as romantic (even though that’s one of the three non-ambiguous romantic scenes I actually counted in my tally up)? Gee, I wonder if it’s beacause Korra has been shown blushing at compliments others give her before (whether her feelings towards those people are romantic or platonic) and blushing in embarrassment. Not to mention the fact that Korra had been very self-conscious about herself all season. The fact is: that scene was ambiguous and could have been interpreted any number of ways. That’s the problem. You CAN see it as romantic, but it’s extremely easy not to.

And if that’s the only moment you can drag up hun, you’ve got a long way to go. I’ve been debating this all week and literally tallied up the total interaction Korra and Asami had and the total interaction Korra and Mako had in the last two seasons. Fact remains: Korra and Asami had very little on-screen interaction compared to Korra and just about everyone else, and Korra and Mako got nearly twice the interactions and nearly triple the screentime in Book 4 as Korra and Asami. You’re going to have to try way harder.

scoroseposts-deactivated2015062 asked: I think people who don’t understand why it is that some of us queer, not, whomever, have legitimate concerns with K/orrasami, is because they’re associated our concerns with the ship itself, as in the possibility of romance between Korra and Asami, or a romance between two woman. That however is simply not the case. It isn’t a possible romance between KA or the fact that it’s between two women; it’s the way it was PORTRAYED in canon that’s the issue. KA is a valid ship, that much is not and has

never been contested by the people who I’ve come across in this fandom who take issue with the way the ship was portrayed. Had things gone differently, or had there been a 5th book titled rebirth where we see more in depth how the three years changed the characters, saw Korra come to a better sense of healing and completion, and dealt with the aftermath of war WITH Kuvira in a legitimate way, and we saw KA become closer romantically, then the romance would have been supported in canon in a much

more holistic and equal way. Instead, we have back pedaling, inconsistent characterization, and a unneeded vacation that I honestly don’t know would have been beneficial for either Korra OR Asami, Korra more specifically because even though she has learned that the Avatar need not be alone, she still is the Avatar and wants to fulfil her duties to the best of her abilities. And it just isn’t in Korra’s characterization, even three years later, to walk away from a problem when she knows she can

help. Hence 99.9% of the reasons why the people who do not like the ending or the ship, take issue with it becoming canonized. Not because it became canon or because it was between KA, but BECAUSE IT WAS PORTRAYED IN A WAY THAT WAS CHARACTER INCONSISTENT AND THROWN TOGETHER IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES. Please feel free to add anything I missed in my frustrated rant. You seem to be one of the few who genuinely understands my issues with the way some of B4 played out.

I guess what I would add is this – one of the reasons the people who liked Book 1/Book 2 Korra are so staunchly against KA is that the ship itself requires undesirable changes to Korra’s characterization to operate.

The change you suggested – add a fifth Book showing how the characters were changed in greater depth – wouldn’t have changed the fact that a Korra who was portrayed as interested in such a relationship would have looked very little like the character we loved in the first two Books. It’d make for a more consistent story, but that wouldn’t make the change of direction any less palatable (in fact, I’m much happier with things the way, actually, because at least now it’s not difficult to amputate the parts that mess up Korra’s characterization).

In other words, the issue isn’t that the writers didn’t support the ship enough (though it’s pretty clear that they didn’t) – the issue is that the writers chose two of the worst characters to throw together in the first place. Korra can’t fill the role they tried to have her fill while still being Korra (since she’s far too open about her affection to pull off plausible deniability). Asami isn’t the sort of character Korra can even be herself around. They needed different characters more than better writing… and that has nothing to do with both of them being female and everything to do with who they each are as individuals.

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1) the breakup??? that bryke was ‘very specific about’ that they had to lean into it and kiss and walk away still clinging to each others hands?? and honestly i’ve never heard of or seen a breakup in which they kiss to end it.

2) the hugs/meaningful glances in book 3?

and what even was that look from korra to Mako after she hugged him??/

that special moment they shared?

the camera zooming in on their hug when they reunited

and when korra was leaving to go fight zaheer- that fuckn music?? what was that supposed to mean then (which brings me to my next point)

3) why did makorra have a music theme that they continued to use even after they broke up?? kataang had a music theme. zutara did not. what am I supposed to think about this??

4) What was the purpose of dedicating almost half an episode to the rocky road of Makorra in Remembrances? If it was just meant to be closure they could have made it a lot shorter and put more emphasis on Korra’s journey or on Varrick’s mover

and on that note why would they feel the need to add that mako hasn’t dated anyone since he and korra broke up??

5) What was the purpose of the Makorra field trip in book 4? Mako didn’t really need to be there technically, it could have been any one of the gazillion friends Korra has. The writers chose him to accompany Korra on one of her most important journeys. And that look he gave her as she went to meet Zaheer- ????

6) This could be put up to interpretation but the generally accepted fact that Mako’s still into her was not resolved?? like at all, they didn’t ever really talk properly about their breakup

And yet they had almost no interaction after “Long Live the Queen.“

Let’s count ‘em out, shall we?

The "I’ll watch over her as she meditates” scene in “The Ultimatum” (which, though people may look at it as romantic, is honestly horribly practical considering Mako and Bolin had their entire family that needed to be relocated and resettled at the time) The hug in “Enter the Void” (of which Mako got one too–and who got the close-up and the music swell? It wasn’t the Korra-Asami hug) The ‘I’m here to talk if you need me’ scene in “Venom of the Red Lotus” (which at that point could have easily been interpreted as a scene between two friends/a supportive and compassionate friend, and which was very in character for Asami as a whole) Asami’s offer to go to the South Pole with Korra in “Korra Alone” (which Korra refused) Korra’s single letter to Asami (which is also ambiguous; you could read it as romantic or you could read it as “who else is she gonna reply to? Her ex-boyfriend, who she’s still awkward with, or Bolin, who bless him, truly cares, but is naive and isn’t really all that serious and besides that is currently working for the woman taking what Korra views as "her job”) Their interactions in “Reunions” (which focused equally on her reunion with Mako and the Wu drama)(four interactions, two of which were directly related to the Wu drama and the other two on Korra’s leave of absence/silence) The tea scene in “Remembrances” (during which Asami said nothing to Korra that Tenzin didn’t echo and that Mako, Tenzin, and Bolin hadn’t said to Korra before) The last minutes of the finale So over the course of the 14 episodes of Book 4, we have a grand total of five interactions between Korra and Asami, only two of which can be nonambiguously interpreted as romantic (the blush in “Reunions,” which honestly I hestitate to count as nonambiguous, but I’ll give it to you, and the finale conversation). Meanwhile Mako and Korra get an entire episode dedicated to finishing Korra’s recovery arc and their friendship/relationship? And Mako is there to support Korra during the culmination of her recovery arc, not Asami, the person Bryke is attempting to write in a potential future romantic relationship with Korra? And Mako is the one who Bryke basically explicitly states within canon as being still deeply in love with Korra and being inspired by her (several times), while Asami never gets a word in about how she feels about Korra until those last five minutes? And Mako is the one who the “camera” focuses on when Jinora says she can’t find Korra in the finale, not Asami? And a dozen other things? Lol, seems unevenly balanced to me.

The only member of the core Krew Korra had less interaction this season with was Bolin, with whom she only got one direct coversation the entire season (“Beyond the Wilds”).

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“2 seasons vs 12 episodes” is such a bullshit argument

it doesn’t matter how many episodes there were. what matters is the narrative and plot focus given to developing the relationship.

here are the book 1 episodes that i can definitely state possessed subplots or important storyline beats in building korra and mako’s romantic interest and development:

A Leaf in the Wind The Revelation The Spirit of Competition Out of the Past Skeletons in the Closet Endgame

there is no ambiguity in these examples. a layman could clearly tell from watching these episodes, without the aid of shipping goggles or a shipper’s mindset, that the writing on the wall is “korra and mako will become a couple.”

now, here are the episodes that i can definitely state possessed subplots or important story beats in building korra and a/sami’s romatic interest and development:

The Last Stand

even that i can only really count because it was confirmed outside the narrative. before bryan’s post, the fandom generally considered the final scenes to be romantically ambiguous or open-ended.

substance is everything in storytelling. hitting the beats matters more than any amount of episodes.

to quote appabend it was so subtle it was nonexistent which is why I say korrasami was a last minute retcon

What Korra and Asami got was BARELY friendship, especially since they had a grand total of five (possibly six) on-screen interactions after “Long Live the Queen.” Pairing them up in the finale made little sense given the utter lack of romantic buildup/relationship development and the just plain lack of interaction in general.

korra blushed at bolins compliment in spirits of competition after she was feeling down and borra sunk korra while she felt down blushed at a compliment

mako got a speech about what korra meant to him and how he admired her

as a person while asami failed to help her and just went youre the avatar we need you while tenzin actually helped her by pointing out how she had grown

Fact remains: Korra and Asami had very little on-screen interaction compared to Korra and just about everyone else, and Korra and Mako got nearly twice the interactions and nearly triple the screentime in Book 4 as Korra and Asami. You’re going to have to try way harder.

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good writing is more important then a political message

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