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lovelybrooke · 11 months

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I do see reader getting in land between pre shattering marina /radagon found them first and take her to lyndell introduced her as a special guest to all demigods they'll damn sure know who she is

I could totally see this happening.

When you first appear in the Lands Between Marika, and subsequently Radagon, would immediately be aware of your presence. They'd both be fully aware that you're a simple mortal that is unaware of this world, and they use that to their advantage. Some of the other demigods might also sense your presence but wait to do anything so to not anger Marika.

The two sweep you away into Lyndell and spend time getting to know you, their obsession with you only growing. No matter how old you are, Marika views you as a young child with an extortionary gift. She questions how you were able to invade her and her children's minds, slightly disappointed that you don't really know.

Radagon is a part of Marika, and so he shares the same strong obsession for you. He doesn't care how you were you got here or what powers allowed it, all that matters is you're here now, with them.

When they do finally introduce you to their children, it's a slow process, and there are some you don't even meet. Morgott and Mogh are both trapped underneath Lyndell, so you don't get to meet them. However, the ones you do meet, are very happy to finally see you in person, these namely being Godwyn and the Twins. Since Godwyn was Marika's first child, he has heard about you for many, many years. When he finally was able to visit you in one of his dreams, he was beyond happy, and felt a peace he had never felt at that point in his life. Miquella and Malenia being twins shared everything with each other, and so share a similar affinity for you.

I think your appearance in the Lands Between would motivate Ranni to speed up her plans to get Marika and her Children away from you. While she doesn't want to put you in danger, she knows that once the Elden Ring Shatters, war would start. So, Ranni would hurry up with killing Godwyn so that while all the other demigods are fighting, she can take you for herself.

#yandere x reader #soft yandere #platonic yandere #yandere elden ring #elden ring x reader #elden ring #elden ring godwyn #elden ring radagon #godfrey the first elden lord #malenia blade of miquella #miquella the unalloyed #general radahn #queen marika #ranni the witch

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modeus-the-unbound · 2 months

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Marika with bags under her eyes: I've got it! The perfect plan of how to conquer Caria and finally have uncontested control of the Land's Between!

Godfrey picking his nose: Uh...what is it?

Marika wide-eyed and manic: I'm gonna get her pregnant!

Godfrey slowly turning to look at her directly: 🏳️‍🌈?

#elden ring #humor #queen marika #rennala #godfrey the first elden lord #horah loux #modeus's autistic ramblings #marika x rennala

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wxnheart · 10 months

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Oh my lord. The golden consort, slipping away from yandere Rarika, only to be found by Rennala? Spicy. Delicious. I love it. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Like watching a train with cut brakes hurling towards an oil tanker stuck on the rails.

Imagine yourself as the Golden Consort, smothered in love and disillusioned with the Golden Order, and you just want to... escape.

You want to escape those beautiful rays and by the Erdtree, the darkness looked so appealing before.

And after a few attempts, some thwarted by the attentiveness of your spouses, others thwarted because you chickened out at the last minute, you leave under the cover of night.

You go as far as your steed can take you before you seek refuge in the last place anyone would ever think to find you, finding yourself in the arms of a soul broken and changed. A soul who's lost so much... and will be damned if she loses you, too.

And then you meet Godfrey.

#elden ring #elden crack.#yandere rarika #eldensoulsborne #rennala queen of the full moon #godfrey the first elden lord #marika x reader x radagon #put a pin on this anon because when I finish these requests I'mma make a list about this.

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kyuremking · 2 years

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Elden Ring becomes more surreal when you realise that the goal of the game is to become Marika's third husband.

#the ship tarnished x marika x godfrey x rennala x radagon should exist #elden ring #elden ring malenia #elden ring marika #queen marika #malenia the severed #elden ring morgott #morgott the omen king #godfrey the first elden lord #radagon of the golden order #general radahn #godrick the grafted #godrick the golden #elden ring ranni #ranni the witch

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jack-o-cel · 2 years

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Godwyn: *sneaking in through his window*

Godfrey: *turning in his chair and flicking the light one* You want to tell me where you've been all night?

Godwyn: I was with mother?

Marika: *turning in her chair* Wanna try again?

#this is when they found out he was fucking a dragon #Godwyn #godwyn the golden #Godwyn x Fortissax #Fortissax #lichdragon fortissax #Godfrey #godfrey first elden lord #Marika #queen marika #marika the eternal #elden ring incorrect quotes

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val-of-the-north · 2 months

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More observations for the trailer I am going insane!!!

I can't claim the original observation of this candle tree detail is mine, but it's from a Japanese Twitter user, here's a screenshot of the post and a link to it as well [x]

The rest of this observation IS mine though, so let's get to it:

With all the talk of cardinal sin, Messmer having a few parallels to Lucifer as pointed out by some friends of mine [x] I have to wonder if he is the cause of a speculated first burning of the Erdtree.

If this is the first time you have heard about this concept, I'll give a short summary. You know how Leyndell is covered in ash by the time we reach it in-game, and how that goes unexplained? We know for a fact that must be the Erdtree's ashes because after we claim the Rune of Death and the Erdtree burns even more, the capital is entombed in it.

We are also told that the Age of Plenty, an age in which the Erdtree gave physical blessings from its sacred sap, swiftly came to a close and the tree had to be changed to simply an object of faith...

So the theory claims that the reason why the Age of Plenty ended so swiftly was due to the Erdtree being set on fire. In theory spaces, the go-to culprit for this speculated action has often been the Gloam-Eyed Queen, with her connections to fire (Blackflame specifically) and Destined Death, but now there's the possibility that this was all Messmer's doing after all. Promotional material and dialogue seems to really denote his affinity for scorching and setting things ablaze.

This probably also means he is the inventor of that scary flame construct that according to Miyazaki as per this interview [x] was an old war machine, no doubt used during this "unsung battle".

Another important part of Messmer's design is the two snakes, which point us back to the Age of Plenty! Godfrey likely ruled during and directly after that time, and the arenas were likely built because of him. It had to be during Godfrey's rule because by the time Radagon became Elden Lord the practices of the colosseums had died down, as told to us by the Ritual Sword and Shield Talismans:

One of the more interesting aspects of the gladiatorial battles that once took place is the snake symbolism on the gladiators' armor.

So the snake was a symbol of a generic "traitor to the Erdtree", and it predated Rykard's blasphemy by an entire age at least... so what if it wasn't generic at all and it represented Messmer himself? He might have been the perpetrator of a betrayal so foul that Marika removed all traces of his existence from her empire's history, but kept the symbol of the snake as a spiteful reminder of him and all other subsequent traitors. After all, she does seem to have power over which one of her children gets remembered or not, and if not her, then the collective of the Golden Order:

Do note that we don't know when she said this. It could have been while she was still at the height of her rule or right before the Shattering. What we do know for a fact is that the soulless demigods inside the Walking Mausoleums have no known history to speak of, which is quite unlike Godwyn, one of the more accomplished members of the family. So yeah, being forgotten by history might be something the Golden Order does to those they deem unfit, so Messmer could be a likely candidate for such treatment... except instead of doing nothing noteworthy he did TOO much lol.

Now I gotta wonder if Marika hated him more or less than her Omen babies. One could argue that locking them down in a sewer close to where she lives was done more as an obligation than any true resentment. She could have sent them to the Shadow Lands if she really wanted them gone and unaccessible, as that place seems filled with Crucible-related things...

I am not saying she was a good mother to them because she didn't kick them to the Shadow Lands, but perhaps she DID have some small affection for them that she really couldn't follow through with.

Of course, maybe she just couldn't banish them anymore after banishing Messmer for whatever reason (maybe she cut-off a connection to that realm?). However, the most likely possibility is that he WAS known like the many soulless demigods and that Mohg and Morgott predate him. It's just that while those two were born undesirable through no fault of their own and were thus only hidden away, he BECAME undesirable which was worse in Marika's eyes so he gets the extra banishment and the removal of all of his history... there are so many possibilities...

#elden ring #messmer the impaler #shadow of the erdtree #elden ring dlc #hi I am really excited if you couldn't tell #I'll try not to think about it too much for now since otherwise I'm gonna blow up because the info will never be ENOUGH #still I'm gonna speculate if some new cool revelation comes up #val-post

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katyspersonal · 29 days

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What are your expectations/theories for Messmer?

I have a few! I even considered making a predictions bingo on him specifically to check when DLC comes out! XD But overall the predictions resulted from me and @val-of-the-north bouncing the ideas around 🤔 I'll need to link a few of other posts here too to help clarifying some relevant topics!

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1) I think he is one of the children between Marika and Godfrey, or maybe even her first-born!

At first I was also thinking that him having red hair was a damning evidence that he had to be born from selfcest, like Malenia and Miquella! But Val brought this to my attention that in ER manga, which is apparently on a stronger level of directing than BB comics from my knowledge, Rykard is a blond!

So Val suggested that genes can work a funny way since Marika and Radagon are still the same person, and if Rykard got Marika's golden hair gene even from Radagon's body, the reverse is possible and someone in Golden Lineage could have red hair even from Marika! I also agree because Miquella is venturing into the Shadows Land presumably to discover Marika's secrets:

(Famitsu interview with Miyazaki, taken from this ( x ) post) But Messmer to me feels like he would be fully aware of every Marika's dark secret there is! I joke that he is very Lucifer-coded, but actually Satan-coded is a better comparison. He is the holder of "Hell", where the 'graceless' beings and those rejected by Golden Order reside, like that ancient Misbegotten(ish) creature! If he was the third sibling of this kind, why would he know more than Malenia and Miquella? (I mean, surprise me!) But if he had been there from the very start, carrying her (God's) punishment, then sure!

My other clue towards that is that he shares the "spartan" aesthetic in his clothes with Godfrey and his Duelists ( x ) (and actually Goldmask too)! This whole thing with leg wraps and waistwrap!

2) He is the first to historically partake in Dragon Communion, and the inspiration of Drake Knights

There are dragonic features about himself, the design of his armour and his snakes! Initially I thought of Dragonic Sentinels too, but their whole deal is to combat Granssax, who I concluded attacked after Farum Azula war and Placidusax' lord was fled. More than that, their deal is 'electric' line of dragons specifically, whereas Drake Knights and others who that partake in Dragon Communion are not picky! They eat dragon hearts to take their power, and that includes 'fire' line of dragons, like Greyoll and her spawn!

I speculate that he was the first person historically, with the bright idea of eating dragon heart to take its power, and this is where his fire powers came from. Fire is associated with heresy, but in his case it was both: assuming powers of dragons was heresy itself (so, before Godwyn made dragons 'friends'), but fire powers came from it! As a Demigod, he also did not meet the same miserable fate as Magma Wyrms! He had the privilege to really take something useful by being not mere mortal.

3) The snakes, therefore, are part of his body!

There are two of them, and I assume they're growing from the base of his spine and function like his tails! If Placidusax is anything to go by, this is part of him developing multiple heads but in the way that would not mess with his body too much. Funny enough, I had two dreams of Gwyndolin as a baby, and in both Gwyndolin as a child only had two snakes that did work as tails, so maybe I am biased!

4) Rotten Duelists also take inspiration from him

I am resharing the image by Val from a post I've already linked, but whereas they elaborate sign of Godfrey and hatred for the Giants in their design, the snakes around their arms and on their helmets are supposed to refer to Messmer!

I imagine Godfrey and Messmer being that super cool OG battle duo. Duelists feature two kinds of 'heresy' in their design - the snakes and the symbols of the Giants, and I assume they were proudly wearing these before being driven from the Coliseum! Back then symbolism of "taking power from the enemy" was something honourable, and so was what Messmer did - becoming 'sinful' to be the more powerful weapon of Marika was courageous and virtuous of him. So, snakes were also fine to proudly depict in the clothes! Until it was not:

5) He is banished for (attempted) burning of the Erdtree

This theory is coined in by @val-of-the-north! In this ( x ) post it is explained better, but in short, there are evidences that the big golden Erdtree we see is an illusion, most interesting one is ashes being all over Leyendell even before defeating Maliketh. So that's why it no longer is giving its blessed sap and is "only an object of faith" now, though its lower part is still physical of course. I agree with this idea!

I think he had to do something bad because of the huge sealed eye possibility! Ranni and Melina also have an eye sealed, and both are Demigods that had their 'privilege' within the Golden Order removed in one way or another. Messmer, on the other way, wows to burn whoever is devoid of grace, so I doubt that he would willingly divest himself of it! Whereas he's been heretical for dragonic powers and the 'Satan' to her system to take care of the 'sinners' from the beginning, but he got excommunicated from the family and likely erased from its records! Bonus points if Godwyn being the first in the Golden Lineage is just what they tell people now!

6) GEOOOOOORGGGEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

I've always had a feeling that whereas everyone is anticipating him to become the first true Soulsborne sexyman, something just has to put a dent in it. Just something to sour the character. I can't explain it, it is like sixth sense...? But I think I finally know what it is. During answering this ask, I payed attention how even with other things put in consideration, he still appears to be loyal to his mother and the purpose she intended to him. He speaks defensive against her letting the "unworthy" to become a Lord. Like... this is not necessarily something weird, it could just be strong loyalty even against his self-interest like what we see in Maliketh or Morgott, but there is just strange sixth sense about perhaps some Freudian shit going on in his head that I can't shake, and not anti-climatic one after what they did with Mohg.

7) Motivation for attempted burning of the Erdtree were themes of ambition and perfection

I will link a couple of posts (with pictures) in which I explained how Erdtree is itself a Crucible and how I theorise existence of Omens resulted in denying and loathing the thing ( x ) ( x ). They're not too long tbh, and in both I forgot to bring up the fact that Ancestral Followers worship Minor Erdtrees :') But the main point is, everything sacred will eventually rot and die, however, giving the way to a new thing to sprout from it, and that was something Marika was unwilling to accept. Erdtree and Golden Order, were supposed to be Eternal, like herself.

Marika made everything that reminded of the other side of life, like Misbegotten and Omens, illegal, and ensured immortality in the best way she could, but Messmer took it even further. He attempted to remove the 'life' aspect of the Elden Ring, to separate the sacred power granted to his mother and relatives from the earth. So, from from inevitable death, from ever rotting, from 'cycle'... from everything "imperfect", so it could be just the one perfect, pure, 100% spiritual thing in their hands. + I think what he did happened after Gloam-Eyed Queen fiasco, so that was another point in realising the instability and imperfection. + to draw from the previous point, he might have been really pissed at Greater Will itself on behalf of his mother.

Except, what he did was not something even Marika would agree to. Greater Will specifically sought this "imperfect" world FOR its "imperfections", to gain form and purpose through births and deaths and feelings and struggles from the amorphous empty cosmic state. It was suffering from its superiority, there was nothing to love or hate or want. It gives me the same vibe as how in BB, the Great Ones are willing to trade their perfection for simple joy of loving a child; they don't need to give birth since they're immortal and their genes are not in need of surviving, but there is just... nothing in this immortality. This is something Messmer would not understand. Sellen is another example of this mindset, aspiring for the things the "perfect" beings were willing to escape. It is always the case of 'greener grass' lol

But yes, absolutely no one appreciated the attempt to separate the Elden Ring from being rooted into mortal "flawed" things. I think he still thinks he is right, and that whatever little dialogue he will have should contain quite the vitriol.

8) In the second stage of his battle, he will become far more dragonic.

I expect at least something happening with the snakes akin to becoming his wings. Maybe he will even turn into a dragon, a two-headed one! + also if there is no particularly gruesome (lethal) visceral attack by his snakes I will rebel lol

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Soooo yeah... This isn't much, but my imagination is weak when I have limited information x) I have also seen an idea that the thing that pierces Marika's body might be his doing since he is titled the Impaler, but for now I think this is not the case! Her hammer is full of similar sharp shards of Elden Ring, so I think this is just another shard, or, perhaps, something Elden Beast threw at her. Red coloration comes from being bloodied! Marika was a mortal once, after all!

#elden ring #elden ring dlc #messmer the impaler #elden ring theory #screenshots #elden ring reference #ask replies

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driften-sea-snake · 1 month

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godfrey must have fantasized about returning for years but when he shows up at his ex-wife’s front door everything plays out differently. the house she kept in the divorce is on fire. apparently his son was living in the basement and died there. he doesn’t even get the epic fight against the guy she left him for. instead his ex-wife’s soon-to-be third spouse shows up and promptly kills him. in his last moment he realizes the restraining order was actually to protect him

#elden ring #godfrey first elden lord #marika #queen marika #radagon #radagon of the golden order #morgott #morgott the grace given #serosh #marika x radagon #marika x godfrey #fromsoft #fromsoftware #soulsborne

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theslowesthnery · 6 months

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i'm thinking too much of the fatal frame 2 AU with mohg and morgott

normally omen children are killed at birth, but since mohg and morgott were born twins, they were spared - if nothing else, perhaps they might prove useful. in actuality they are the ceremony master's children, but she would never admit it. no, she and her then-husband just very graciously and mercifully decided to take the monstrous twins under their care when no one else would (the husband even allows the children to call him father, can you believe that?). (perhaps omen children are thought to be tainted by the X?)

marika and her children are the main house/family, rennala and her children are a branch house/family. whether marika is still with godfrey while rennala is with radagon, or marika and radagon are now together, i'm not sure. regardless, rennala has no twins, so none of her children will ever have to do the ceremony. i do like the idea of marika already having malenia and miquella, and some people speculating that she's sacrificing the omen twins in the hope that she won't have to sacrifice her beloved twins. regardless, i do think godfrey is still in the picture.

twins, though considered sacred, are people no one in the village wants to associate with, and it goes doubly for the twins born as omens. mohg and morgott therefore only really have each other, and are highly dependant on each other.

the twins' attitudes regarding the ceremony: morgott wants to perform the ceremony, having bought into the idea that he and mohg are impure and worthless, believing that the ceremony is the only way for them to justify and make up for their births and cursed existence. despite everything he also loves the village and wants to protect it. having no love for the village or the people in it, mohg wants nothing more than to run away with morgott, but morgott does not want to go with him, so he resigns himself to going through the ceremony - at least that way he and morgott will be together.

but which one of them is considered the older twin by the village's traditions? which one of them will become a butterfly, and which one will become the remaining?

personally? like i've said before, i love the idea of mohg being the younger twin, but it's not about the literal physical age/birth order as much as it is about the relationship and dynamic between an older and younger sibling. as such, i'm leaning towards mohg being the younger twin even by the village's traditions. i also think he would be more likely to fail to perform the older twin's role in the ceremony, whereas morgott would probably be "indoctrinated" enough to see it as necessary (and even good and just). also, mohg with his little wing stumps (whether his wings just never grew or were cut off) would probably love to fly as a butterfly :)

morgott is a good child who spends a lot of his time studying, cleaning, helping with rituals and ceremonies, and generally helping out where he can and is allowed to. he spends less and less time with mohg, who is upset and jealous that his brother, his other half, has been "stolen" away from him.

mohg is a "bad" child who misbehaves and acts out regardless of how much he is punished. not allowed to help out with ceremonies (not that he'd want to), he's left to his own devices a lot. he doesn't have any other friends, all the other children of the village either avoiding him or bullying him (usually from a safe distance, because mohg WILL fight back, and he bites). he is very lonely and very sad, and misses his other half like you wouldn't believe it. he crawls under houses, climbs trees, skins his knees and loses his shoes a lot. (a darker, unspoken reasoning for the difference in how they are treated is that morgott, the child who will live, is given time and attention and is taught important things, while mohg, the child who will be sacrificed, is not - why waste time and effort on a child who's just going to die? mohg may or may not be aware of this reasoning.)

mio and mayu have a sixth sense (i can't remember if it's ever established whether sae and yae have one), so i played around with the idea of morgott and mohg having one too. it doesn't show up in very dramatic, showy ways, they just sometimes see or hear things that other people don't, which is just another thing that makes them strange and off-putting to other people, but serves to strengthen their bond. i thought about a scenario where mohg - alone, while morgott is studying - watches from a distance as a group of other children play with a ball, accidentally kicking it over to an overgrown, forested area they all have been forbidden from entering. mohg goes after the ball (to show off? or in the vain hopes that the children will ask him to play with them?) and eventually finds it. he turns to leave, when suddenly he hears it: the cry of a baby. he goes towards the sound, finding an old, abandoned well. suddenly the cry is joined by another, then another, then another, until it's a chorus of crying babies. terrified, mohg clamps his hands over his ears, when suddenly he is scooped up by godfrey who angrily admonishes him for disobeying and going where he knows perfectly well he's not allowed to. godfrey hauls him away, and the cries fade from his ears. (ps. the well is where all omen babies are disposed. mohg never finds that out, but he never goes near it ever again.)

…and to make the sad AU in sadder, what if mohg and morgott's ritual failed in the end? as in they go through the ceremony seemingly successfully, with mohg becoming a butterfly, but it doesn't appease the X. so morgott's left with the knowledge that he killed his brother for nothing.

#elden ring for blacklist

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sillovn · 3 months

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The World Before #2: Primeval Man

Sorry, for the long wait for part 2. Here, we try to explain the relationship between humans-dragons and vice versa. all entries -> #worldbefore

2.1 Primeval Men

Besides Dragons and Beastmen, Farum Azula was also home to Wormfaces and Humans. Humans only appear depicted in art, as its uncertain if the Banished Knights, Crucible Knights or Godskins are native to the city (more on this in the future).

But more interestingly, the nature of humanity in Elden Ring is unclear - are the Zamor or Numen human? Also, the human body featured scales, horns and tails in ancient times (see. Crucible Talismans).

Adding this; Ancient Dragons can take human form. Also, the mentioned but never shown Draconians, ’people of the ancient dragons’.

There’s an implication that (some?) humans descend from Giants (see. Northerner preset). Giants seem to have shrunk over time (see. Trolls vs. Mountaintop Skeletons) and that humans might be larger in the past (see. Godfrey, Giant Crusher).

This post (X) (thanks @eyestrain-addict) points out that Misbegotten resemble the ‘Malformed Dragons’ depicted on armour. More specifically, Misbegotten appear to be dragons that have human features (or vice versa).

What Im trying to say is: in prehistory, there may not have been clear distinctions between human, beast and dragon. This could also explain how Maliketh can be Marika’s half-brother.

2.2 Grand Designs

An idea I'd like throw out - do creatures touched by the Greater Will attain human form over time? ? (ie. Beasts gain sentience, hence the ‘man’ in Beastman, Dragons become Misbegotten, Giants shrink in size).

Ultimately, this is a question of what you think The Greater Will (TGW) is, and what it's plans may be. As previously, Im of the opinion that sentience is the direct mark of TGW's influence. More specifically: sentience allows mortals to categorize the world - thus enacting order. This sentience physically manifests as a 5-fingered hand but also in an increasingly human form over time.

Is it simply that all sentient life should culminate in humanity?

Another potential (and related) idea is that order is the creation of new "fundamental categories" of being. To paraphrase Hyetta/3 Fingers: "from the One Great... came fractures, and births, and souls... but The Greater Will made a mistake". To me, the implication here is that TGW is *the* original sentience in the universe, mortal existence becoming possible due to it's ordering ~ life vs inanimate, person vs animal.

There's probably an entire rant one could do, tying this to anthropomorphism and God in Abrahamic Religion. But I personally don't have the religious history chops for it.

2.3 Worms and Giants

With previous theory in mind, its notable that some creatures have a dichotomy of sentient 'person form' and wild 'beast form'.

Beasts vs Beastmen

Ancient Dragons vs Flesh Dragons

Therefore, are Wormfaces simply invertebrate life that has been given person-hood by TGW?

Personally, not very convinced on this. Wormfaces seem tied to the Deathroot and could just be afflicted Beastmen; their proportions (large head, thin limbs, general stance) do somewhat fit. Though, Wormfaces do have very distinct male/female morphs - very large, solitary females, surrounded by small, gregarious males. Reminiscent of certain social insects, so maybe that's a point in favor of the 'Insect-people' theory?

Another of these cases of "wilderness vs. civilization" could be "Human vs. Giant". This one is harder to defend, as Giants are clearly sentient beings who left countless constructions and artifacts across the lands. You could argue that Giants (in their numerous sizes and generations) occupied a spectrum from the immense Giants (known only from skeletons) to present-day humans. Then, there is the Giant Crusher; which states that humanity turned on itself after the Giants were destroyed.

A scenario for the "ordering of giants and men" is one where ever-shrinking generations of giants wage war on their forebears (note: the Trolls and Zamor stood with humans against the Giants). First the true Giants of old were destroyed, followed by a second conflict within early humans. Possibly the reason why "unusually large humans" exist in a marginal state in the present (see. Fire Monks and Zamor. Also Godfrey and Rennala.)

This also the earliest point Marika seems to be involved in the world, having been the one to defeat the Giant's God. In short, Marika is involved in the ordering of humanity (have more to say on this in the future).

Giants in ER seem to homage various ideas in folklore about "wildmen", such as being covered in shaggy red hair. There's also the idea that language is one the characteristics unique to modern humans (note: Fire Giant does not have intelligible speech, but Iji can speak). Not too sure where Im going with this, as I don't know Anthropology well enough to say more/definitive things here.

2.4 Increasing Order

Running with the idea that the Greater Will's idea of order is an increasingly 'specific and structured' existence. With each era of order, categories become more distinct with ambiguity less tolerated. This pretty much explains the prejudice against chimeric beings like Misbegotten, but potentially also has gender implications.

Placidusax was Elden Lord but has no distinct gender (game uses 'he', but the Dragon's original form is likely 3/5 female and 2/5 male). As opposed to the later order of Marika x Godfrey.

Perhaps why Marika needed to discard her masculine half to ascend as god queen?

The caveat to this is Miquella/Trina being an empyrean, and that Marika/Radagon eventually marries themself. Though the self-marriage produces afflicted children, the Greater Will seems to have no opinion on this.

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This is all for today

TLDR: Human form is favoured by The Greater Will. Order is to split the world into finer and stricter categories.

still need to do that Marika origin entry

#elden ring #elden ring lore #worldbefore

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ruthlesslistener · 2 years

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So I just finished the game which means that I might be off here, but in terms of the whole Radagon/Marika thing, I'm thinking that instead of two people who fused to become one god, they were one bigender god (Marika) who secretly split into two so that the Erdtree's conquest could be monitored and controlled by Marika both from the capital and on the front lines, with them slowly becoming different people as they remained apart.

Some vague proof to uphold it:

-Radagon rode down from the capital against Caria during the Erdtree's conquest, which was most likely ordained by Marika as she served as queen within Leyndell. We know that she pronounced a war against the fire giants in the Erdtree's favor- and that Radagon likely hates his red hair bc of the similarities to the Fire Giants- so it's not too hard to imagine her wanting to remain in control of both conquests, esp. since we see her influence over us (the potential Lords) throughout the game via both the guidance of grace and the stakes of Marika. She seems like the sort to want to have a direct hand in things, which means that splitting herself in two to handle both state affairs and the battles themselves feels relatively in-character.

-The children of Rennala were made demigods via title after Radagon married Marika, but Ranni was born an Empyrean, despite Radagon not being known as a god. If being an Empyrean is genetic, and Radagon and Marika were separate people to begin with, then there would be no explanation for Ranni being an Empyrean. Radagon had to have had Marika's genes for that to happen, and we know that godhood is a genetic thing bc of how washed-out Godrick is after years of breeding with mortals.

-Additionally, Empyrean genetics seem to be recessive- Marika x Godfrey didn't produce any, Rennala x Radagon produced only one, while Marika x Radagon ended up with two. While Malenia and Miquella can be considered a case of asexual reproduction, since Marika and Radagon were one god, it still would still prove out the fact that the Empyrean trait is recessive and that Radagon had to have Marika's genes to begin with to have Ranni be an Empyrean.

-Radagon retaining his faith in the Golden Order while Marika became more jaded would have also made sense if he spent much of his time apart from the capital with Rennala, while Marika had to deal with the god-shit from within. Marika was very adamant in her support of the Erdtree during the times of the conquests, then began to question it as time went on. If Radagon wasn't there to view what the Golden Order was doing, he would retain the same level of faith in it that he had at the beginning.

-This would also work with Marika's line of 'you have yet to become me'. Marika likely would have felt like she experienced a hell of a lot while her other half was away, so she would have felt like she developed more than Radagon. Radagon would then have to catch up on all the shit Marika had to deal with when he returned before fusing to become one again was possible.

-Her summoning Radagon back to the capital to become her consort- and Radagon abandoning his wife to do so- would have also made sense after she divorced Godfrey, as that would have left her hand open to whoever wanted to become Elden Lord. The Golden Order/Elden Beast likely would have pressured her into taking another consort, to which taking her other half as one would have been an easy loophole around it, as she really doesn't seem to want another consort.

-Similarily, Marika breaking the Elden Ring and Radagon trying to repair it does not imply that they are necessarily different beings- how many times have you acted out of emotion, for example, and then immediately started yelling at yourself with the rational part of your mind? The split would have exasperated this as well, because Radagon had years of memories with Rennala and his children, while Marika would have suffered from losing Godfrey, Godwyn, and then (possibly) the Omen Twins. We don't know when she split and when she married Godfrey or had her children, so its possible that Radagon came before the marriage/children of Godfrey, and so would have not had the memories of being with them to cause sufficient grief

#elden ring #marika #radagon #elden ring theory #marika the eternal #radagon of the golden order #[rotates them in my mind] i love this problematic god #theyre doing their best

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