curious to get your thoughts on jango/obi wan: #14, 29, 49
hi! thanks for asking ❤️ i am always happy to talk about them lol
14. Who kills the spiders?
this is more a question of who does something about the spider (jango) vs who sits down on the bathroom floor to look at the spider and looks up the species and takes a picture to send it to jango once he's finally found its species' name (and THEN. he does something about it.)
29. Who is the better cook?
jango. obi-wan's a competent cook out of necessity (raising a child), but i feel like he has very little patience for cooking. he knows how to cook well a few dishes and that's about it, he's not interested in experimenting and he won't go out of his way to learn how to make something unless he has to.
jango on the other hand 1. enjoys cooking, 2. actually has the patience for it. i also think that for him it is something that connects him to his family (to his parents and to jaster), and probably one of the very few parts of his heritage he allows himself to engage with by the time he is living on kamino.
49. Who is the driver/ Who is the passenger?
it depends! i think jango's usually the pilot when it comes to ships and obi-wan drives when it's a speeder. jango's the better pilot and obi-wan is the worst backseat driver in existence, so it all works out.
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Hello friend!!! How about "smell" or "sharp" for the WIP meme?
hiiii elwen ♥️.
i could find both in the latest cody wip (tm), so here they are.
smell:
He smells of caf and synthcotton and the ozone-like smell of lightsabers. It’s familiar, it’s comforting, and it’s also very distracting when he brushes against Cody’s arm on his way to the desk.
sharp:
Cody huffs. “Go back to the front, then,” he replies, sharper than he intended. Bly snorts, bumps his shoulder against Cody’s and then leaves it there.
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Weirdly specific character questions: Cody + 13?
hi friend!!!!!! ohhh this is a good one ♥️
13. When do they fake a smile? How often?
well. probably pretty often? especially when he's on Work ModeTM (when isn't cody on work mode lmao.)
i'd say that he only smiles for real when he's around his brothers, honestly, especially at first. my take on the character has him as the kind of person who takes a long time to warm up to people he doesn't know, and his circumstances (as a high ranking officer of the gar that nonetheless is not actually considered a person) would complicate that a lot
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oh no what please talk about star wars and westerns that sounds fascinating ngl
oh boy. okay
this got really fucking long, sorry.
so. first of all. what is a western? what does make a western, a western? is it the cowboys? does it ahve to take place in the west/southwest of the us during the late 19th century? is it just a film thing? if so, what kind of movies are actually westerns? the ones made in hollywood during the 40s and 50s? do spaghetti westerns count? and the american movies made in the us during the 70s? what about the so-called neowesterns, like hell or high water?
at this point i think you could argue that the western is not actually a genre but a mood, kind of like the gothic or film noir. it implies a number of tropes, a certain atmosphere, a kind of conflict, but the details are very--diffuse. And not that relevant, let's be real. a fistful of dollars is a western; so is the searchers or most of the first season of the mandalorian or justified or prospect or blood meridian or whiskey when we're dry.
today i heard someone in a podcast describe the western as a kind of story where the main conflict is the struggle between law and lawlessness, and you know what. at first i didn't like it much but the more i think about it, the more i think they’re right.
so, we've defined what is a western (kind of. have we? moving on--). now let's talk about the western and star wars, or star wars as a western, whatever you want to call it.
if a western is a story about the conflict between law and lawlessness, what does it mean that star wars can be/sometimes is/always is a western? not just from like. a narrative perspective. but also, what does it mean that the conflict between law and lawlessness informs star wars narratives, and what does it mean for us, the fandom, a bunch of queers obsessed with star wars and clones and cowboys?
the first thing you should think about (maybe!) when you read the words "law vs lawlessness" is: whose law, and what does law even mean in this specific situation. In the case of the western, and without getting into the particulars of the very bloody history of the american west, the elements of this dichotomy are extremely charged. In (classic, hollywood, 40s-50s) westerns, law means civilisation; that is, it means capitalism and imperialism, it means western expansion, it means white settlers, it means systematically murdering native americans. meanwhile, Lawlessness includes everything (and everyone) else.
However! You can problematise this, and most of the best westerns did (and do). And once adapted to other contexts (other times, other countries, other genres) the particulars of this conflict change, too.
And this brings us to the star war. Let’s be real: the original trilogy mostly borrowed spaghetti western aesthetics, it’s less a western and more the weirdo lovechild of samurai films, classic scifi and war movies, even if its manichean approach to narrative (good vs evil, dark vs light) could be said to be very friendly to the western.
However! X2: what about the tuskens, you’ll say
And this is where it gets ugly. Or uglier. Narratively speaking, the tuskens play in both the original trilogy and in the prequels the exact same role that native americans played in classic westerns. Someone (not me) should write something about the way this has and/or hasn’t changed in the past few years, with shows like the book of boba fett.
But this is getting long enough, and what i want to write about is the relationship between the lawlessness part of the cowboy movie conflict and star wars racism problem, because while it doesn’t mean that the western is an inherently racist genre, or that western vibes plus star wars equals racism or that every single western au you make will be racist, it does mean that it’s kind of like a loaded gun. (<- hasn’t touched a firearm in her life)
And the reason it’s kind of like a loaded gun is that it’s a trope. It’s very ingrained it’s very mechanical and it’s very easy (especially if, like me, you’re white and also not american) to follow genre conventions and thoughtlessly reproduce the same shitty stories. You can subvert this trope (and i believe you Should, honestly, john wayne is well where he is (dead and buried)), but it’s a trap and it’s a hard to see one.
And like. One thing’s Star Wars the IP, and a different thing is fandom, and i’m not putting fan creators and disney on the same level, and i’m just some guy with a keyboard. However: i do think that thinking yourself through tropes and clichés makes for better, more fun stories, so there’s that.
Finally: why i did i start thinking about this?
The main reason is because i started listening to why theory?’s episode about western the other day, and it made me think about how much i love westerns and how i’d like to write more fic that’s kind of like a western and the issues that surround this.
Star wars characters i think are/could be western characters (™): jango, because of his everything, obviously (watch django 1966). Obi-wan. Fox, maybe. Leia (where’s my leia + obi-wan true grit au). And rex.
And the thing about rex is that he is the only one who could maybe fit the western hero trope, because he’s the only one there who’s purely moral and like. Unequivocally good (but maría, you’ll say, what about leia? What about obi-wan? Leia’s too angry, among other things, and obi-wan’s a huge bitch bastard man who goes around chopping off limbs, sorry) but he also is a brown man. In star wars canon he’s a clone, which means he’s not actually a person in the eyes of the law; in real life, temuera morrison is maori.
But again: let’s say you make him the hero, because he IS the hero. But that means he’s on the side of the law, right?
Or is he?
And what does that mean?
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How about 'wrist' for the fanfic wip guessing game? Or 'pause'? :)
hi friend!!!!!!
i went with pause :) from my latest homebrew bingo fill. chose a section instead of a line or a sentence because. well.
Jango exhales and shifts off the seat, wincing the moment his feet touch the ground. He leaves the cockpit, starts making his way down the starboard corridor. He finds a storage cupboard, full of secured food and water rations and the galley, as empty as the rest of the ship. There’s a mug in the cleaner and the small conservator under the sink shows off a single half-eaten ration pack Jango recognises as his own. He pauses there, half-leaning on the closest counter, and frowns.
It says something about him. About that man. The fact that he cared enough to put Jango’s leftovers in the conservator.
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