mag 145 - infectious doubt
i really like gertrude, in that i think she's a wonderfully written character, and this episode i think really is a highlight of her. it perfectly shows how, despite how deeply entrenched in this all she was, despite how dedicated she was to her cause, she was never emotionally too invested. she shows such casual cruelty, but only in what she views as necessity. if you flip it the other way around, you can also say that if she thinks the situation justifies it, she'll be willing to commit atrocities
i'd also love to find out more about her in her younger days. there must have been a reason she was chosen, but quite frankly in the older, more experienced state we always see her, she doesn't show many eye-aligned traits. like i said, there doesn't seem to be much investment or curiosity in her, nor does she have a tendency for neither inaction nor over-dabbling. so a younger version of her, something following her first decade or so as archivist (which would include her tying herself to agnes) would be fascinating
gertrude and agnes' bond is one i'm also curious about. i actually quite like the concept of soulmates. not in a 'perfeclty made lovers' sense, but more in a 'no matter how hard you try to be seperate, fate will always intertwine your lives' kinda way. which, considering they're both very isolated characters, is something that could have made for a very interesting dynamic. sadly, hearing them interact would have sort of broken the point of agnes' character, but i still deeply crave to find out what they said to each other the one time they did speak
arthur nolan is surprisingly sensible here. i don't think his assessment of agnes is any more accurate than anybody else's, but he is at least aware of it. there is some shade of genuinity in it. he's in general just far more introspective than i'd expected, and also seems to understand dream logic to some extent. sadly enough, he is, at the end of the day, still a landlord, and can therefore get fucked
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MAG 145 Relisten
Activity on my first listen: taking a bubble bath again^^
ARTHUR: "Big talk. But Agnes is dead. And I don’t know if you heard, but your little woodland circle’s been broken. So, I don’t really see anything getting in my way, if I wanted to burn the flesh off your snarky bones."
GERTRUDE: "Ah. (small laugh) I assume you haven’t checked on, uh, Eugene, then?"
[PAUSE.]
ARTHUR: "What?"
Gertrude is such a badass. No wonder there are so many jokes about her being the 16th Fear.
ARTHUR: "How’d you do it?"
[GERTRUDE LAUGHS.]
GERTRUDE: "You don’t need to know that. What you do need to know is I can do it again, if I need to. To you, or any of your lackeys, if I need to."
Soft magic system + the vagueness of comic horror is such a strong combination in fiction! We don't need to know how Gertrude did it. We just know, that another member of the Cult of the Lightless Flame is shocked that she was able to.
GERTRUDE: "You know, thinking about it, the amount of pain and loss and legitimate devastation I’ve caused among your little cult over the last, what, forty years? I think the Desolation is probably very fond of me."
Gertrude really does seem to target the Lightless Flame a lot. So I guess it's very likely that her claim of the Desolation having killed her cat is true. Gertrude is just John Wick xD
ARTHUR: "Alright. Agnes. How’d you do it? Never did understand it, not really."
Not really-counter of S4: 12! (Ohhh, this episode's gonna be gooood!^^)
GERTRUDE: "It was the Web. I didn’t know it at the time, of course, and I would call it an accident, but it never is, with them. It’s only after the fact that you can see all the subtle manipulations."
Lol, cue for the audience to do at least one relisten xD
GERTRUDE: "It let the Mother of Puppets bind me to Agnes, interweave our existences at some… metaphysical level, as it had with Fielding and the house."
Is Elias’ little insurance about the lives of the institute staff being bound to him something like this? If it is true (Elias implies in MAG 158 that he doesn’t know if everyone’s ties to the institute are strong enough). Nevertheless, in both these instances, Agnes + Gertrude and Fielding + the house, the Web was involved and the Spider’s a bit more talented at making connections.
So was it Jason North, the statement giver of MAG 37, who broke the circle? He did drop one of the bottles. And the year, 2009, matches with this episode.
GERTRUDE: "Well, for all the Web bound us together, I never actually met her. What was she like?"
Is Gertrude supposed to be lying there? Jon says in MAG 167 that Gertrude met Agnes once. Or was this idea added at a later point in the writing process? There is a bit of a discrepancy in Agnes’ timeline, in which year she actually died. So could be.
ARTHUR: "I… I don’t know. Not really."
Not really-counter of S4: 13!
ARTHUR: "Never really knew what she felt ‘bout any of it, not really."
Not really-counter of S4: 14!
ARTHUR: "The one thing it never does is just… tell us what to do. It seeds us with this… aching, impossible desire to change the world, to bring it to us."
Hm, yeah, I always wondered how anyone got that idea of performing a ritual to bring their Fear god through. I doubt Jane Prentiss had any contact to other Avatars (except Oliver or Arthur, but they didn't say anything to her about rituals and such) and yet she also tried it. Or, her worms tried it. Like Gertrude said, they don't think at all, they just are and they just do.
ARTHUR: "They don’t give a toss about your rules, or systems. They only care about what feels right, what freezes your belly with terror."
There it is again. There are no hard rules on the Dread Powers, only what feels right. Soft magic system! (Also, Arthur called the Fears them beyond. I really like that!)
ARTHUR: "But you don’t actually care about them, do you? Not really."
Not really-counter of S4: 15!
ARTHUR: "You’d be surprised the misery and pain you can cause when you’ve control over someone’s home."
I like the idea that landlords fall under the category of the Desolation! Same with the manager thing, what Eugene had told. I think HR is also right up that alley.
GERTRUDE: "But until then, get out of my Archives."
I love that this line is in the podcast XD
JON: "Eugene is still alive, frozen in place by the razor-sharp particles that are mixed up into what he chose instead of flesh. I don’t know where Gertrude stored his head. But I do know it desperately wants to scream."
Ah yes, a fate worse than death. I'd guess Gertrude used the concrete method again.
GEORGIE: "Oh! Uh, sorry; I thought, um – Is Melanie about?"
So it sounds like Georgie was surprised to find Jon in this office and that she was rather looking for Melanie. Let's keep that in mind.
JON: "I’m… I’m alright. I’m trying to, uh, rest up a bit. Take it easy."
Yeah, I totally get that he didn't tell Georgie anything here. It rarely lead to anything helpful, especially there at the end. And Georgie doesn’t want to be further involved. Why tell her then - why did she ask anyway... Yeah, asking "how are you doing" is often a courtesy to which people very rarely want an honest answer. Courtesy question, courtesy answer, simple as that.
GEORGIE: "Really? ‘Cause – I’m pretty sure I heard talking about a screaming headless corpse just now."
JON: "Oh – Oh, were you… listening? –"
GEORGIE: "Oh, um. Didn’t mean to, you know. These doors are not that thick."
Seriously??... So Georgie knew exactly, that Jon was in there. She could have kept looking for Melanie. She could have left it at Jon's polite answer. But she purposefully walked in on him. She purposefully asked him, how it's going and purposefully called him out for not telling her. All this after she decided to remove herself from Jon's life. That is a really shitty thing to do.
GEORGIE: (fast) "I’m sorry to hear that. You should probably get some therapy too."
Oh come on... Georgie still has no idea what is actually going on, she can't grasp the magnitude of all this. And that's fair, she didn't want to get involved any further, alright. But then coming in, poking around and giving unsolicited advice to a situation she has no idea about is just really, reaaally shitty. First time listening I way okay with her in S3, except with her being a bit too pushy. The hospital, fine, she's not involved like the others (bound to the institute), totally fair to cut ties. But this scene got me to really dislike her...
JON: "Would you go with me as well?"
GEORGIE: "…No."
JON: "Yeah. I thought as much."
Well done here, Jon! That was a good question to find out if she really wants to help, or just wants to be smart. And that "no" actually sounded a bit unsure, almost like questioning what she just said. Like "Oh shit, I didn't think he would actually engage in that". Like her hypocrisy was caught. And that "thought as much" sounds like "Yeah right, I already knew that you didn't actually wanted to help". People seem to think that Jon’s question was just another wet paper bag example, like "I'm alone and a monster, pls help me". I think it's more of a "Ok, now I'm going to call you out". (After all, in the last few episodes Jon knew how to defend himself, like calling out Basira in the boat.) And Georgie got the message since after that she awkwardly asked again where Melanie is and leaves.
@a-mag-a-day
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