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datastate · 3 years

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thoughts on lurien the watcher

[points] gay gay homosexual gay

okay. wow. i will spare you a long-worded thing on him (i’m still saving up the energy to actually answer the other ‘thoughts on’ that were actually. prompted from some ask meme a while back) but wow! he sure is. one of the most. characters of all time. yeah. in return for it not being an analysis this is going to be a bit rambly though, multiple points, not really in depth but. heart emoji. thanks for the ask regardless. hope some of this satisfies

i think this applies to all the dreamers, that their resting places are interesting - lurien’s is an especially interesting case though due to how it reflects the build up to the king, who he explicitly speaks of as his reason for becoming a seal (first read as love, later read as faith... i imagine if it were any other than his king he would be speaking of hallownest’s value, but w his faith in his king he harbored little doubt w how thorough pk typically is)

why are there statues of him leading up? previous watchers? previous iterations of his own public figure? just a mistake on the crafter’s part? is he just that egotistical (joking i promise) ?

fun fact! his butler was what actually got me attached to him. beforehand i was in the same boat where i was only ever interested in content where he was taken as a joke for how the others had more ‘reasonable’ meanings behind becoming dreamers while he was like yes sire right away my king, but then. Just. idk. his connection to someone like that, their faith in him and the assumption from the corpses below that he was kind to them and they wished to return it... his image is built from those few who knew him, in contrast to how pk’s image was built from those detached from who he truly was, which makes it fitting to play as someone who witnessed the worst of him... this is not abt pk however. it’s really weird not being able to really touch on lurien w/o that immediate association to pk, seeing as he’s someone in charge of hallownest’s (pk & wl) heart AND his few lines are mentioning the king... his position is important when considering how those around him interpreted him, though i imagine it’d be so much more difficult to hide who you really are around people who are around you for way too long.. you’d slip at one point. no, his care for them is genuine and so is theirs in turn.

i think more people need to stop making his only character trait as someone subservient to the king. he’s allowed to feel conflicted abt pk, even if he ultimately does trust pk enough to follow through w what is presented. something something, lurien values hallownest’s people while the pale beings value hallownest (idea)

lurien is so much more similar to herrah than either would care to admit. or the hk fans, apparently.

also i think he and his butler had something going on but almost every time i see a fic from them i have to like. spend some time screaming into my hands because no one knows how to write him, especially not in a manner where he’s interacting w those w a ‘lower rank’ than him. w how he does care abt those of his spire and likely rightfully earns the care in turn, it’s fucking absurd to me to see people who think he’s ... cruel? or otherwise takes advantage of this? as if he wouldn’t allow at least his butler to drop titles while they’re in private, though whether or not they believe they’re worthy to address him by name is another issue. the fact of it is that he wouldn’t and shouldn’t ever use his position to get a step up on someone who people try to convince their audience he cares for. if he did care for them as a friend or something else interpersonal, he would do so as equals.

+ like? a bit unrelated but while i’m on dynamics, out of all the dreamers he’s the “meanest.” this is fact, based in his stubborn personality it’s likely he’s the sort to initiate arguments because he will refuse to fold his opinions so easily. people often infantilize him but like. this dude’s a whole adult and he’s wealthy. i promise you can make him an ass sometimes.

also also i need to know how he’d interact w thk after etv considering their similar search for pk and how they both valued hallownest team cherry if you see this please i am on my knees please pl

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