#lovejoy discourse

[cacti-on-venus]

my current statement on wilbur's apology

My head's kinda in pieces right now, so this might be a bit of a ramble so here we go.

Going forward, I will no longer be supporting Wilbur Soot or Lovejoy

Seeing as multiple other ccs much closer to him than I could ever be as a fan have spoken out against him and that the apology was at best mediocre, I have decided it's best to drop him as of now.

It'll take me a bit longer to give up Lovejoy as I've used the songs to cope with my anxiety for over a year and a half now and haven't found anything else to replace it, but over time I should be able to let go (for now, i will focus on listening to the songs through unofficial lyric videos so that it doesn't profit him in any way and looking for other comfort bands. Music is how I've always coped, and hopefully, I can find something else to give my attention to)

My support will always be with the victims in the situation and hearing their voices first, which in this case happens to be Shubble. Give her all the love and support you can and drop his content when you feel ready to do so. He's not worth your support.

I will continue to write my SBI fanfiction as I have been before but will make it a point to separate the cc!wilbur from c!wilbur. My main fanfiction, "Family Against All The Adversity" has meant a LOT to me and I put a lot of effort into it. I'd go as far as to say it was the only long project that I've gone so far into writing and with a history of leaving stories without an ending I don't want to abandon it and leave it at a loose end.

To minimize the damage caused by this, I might just write all the remaining chapters and finish them in one go while also cutting down on Wilbur's presence in the story with a focus on other members of the SBI crew.

As for my other fics...I don't know. To people who follow what else I write on ao3, you're probably aware I started a new qsmp tntduo fic. One I was really excited to write too. As of now, it is only two chapters into development so I don't know if it would make sense to continue writing it. I might make poll later to see how my readers feel about it since there's no point writing the story if the audience doesn't want to hear it.

For now, stay safe, support Shubble and take all the time you need to process the situation and find ways to cope. Get into other streamers, ones who actually deserve your support, and trust me when I say things will get better.

#wilbur soot #wilburfromlvjy #wilbur situation #mcyt discourse #shubble #shubble shelby #shubble situation #discourse #lovejoy discourse

[rekas-bitches]

On the Wilbur situation

I don't care if you decide to drop him, not at all, but I will block anyone who still denies that it's him after Shubble made this tweet. Wilbur was the one who abused her.

She's all but confirmed it, she's just not saying his name. If you want more evidence in good faith, feel free to dm me for clarification.

#wilbur soot #shubble #mcyt discourse #lovejoy

[purpleshoenickelhuman]

Dear Wilbur content fans:

Please don’t be “tone deaf” when posting art or content aka ignoring or not caring about the issue.

This seems to be a problem when content creators do something bad, and things like art, especially positive art, are posted without care (like with Dream during the allegations).

For context, Shelby/Shubble came out about how an ex was abusive and manipulative to her and it turned out that ex is Wilbur. After Wilbur “apologized” many other close content creators called him out on it and said how manipulative he was to them.

So, again, please don’t be “tone deaf” about this situation.

#wilbur #wilbur soot #lovejoy #wilbur mcyt #wilbur qsmp #mcyt #tw abuse #tw manipulation #shubble #minecraft #dream mention #tw dream #wilbur neg #wilbur situation #discourse

[kiwinatorwaffles]

hmm. i'm usually not one to post about these topics but i think i've gathered enough thoughts on wilbur's abysmal apology towards shelby to form a cohesive message.

WARNING: the rest of the post will discuss abuse and also a lot of my personal experiences as someone who has hurt other people in the past. obviously not to the extent that wilbur has, but please move on it you don’t want to see it. thank you and stay safe.

being stuck in a hard place, whether it be living conditions, mental conditions, or any other factor, will naturally hurt the person going through those tough times. and hurt people hurt people. but i think there's a pretty Big Fucking Difference between doing bad things in the past and actually owning up to your actions after regretting it VS doing bad things in the past and turning a blind eye against those you've hurt to wallow in your own ego and misery.

i’ve experienced my fair share of abusive friendships, but when i was fifteen, i WAS the toxic friend. (yes, i’m aroace. friendships aren’t the same as a romantic relationship but they can be just as strong. i value my platonic bonds as much as allos value their marriages or date partners.) i was going through a huge depressive episode. it was tough for me, but during that time, i made fun of my friends' interests to their faces because i couldn't personally understand it, and i also vagueposted about the little things they did that ticked me off right where they could see it. it got to the point where they had to make a separate group chat to talk about their interests where i wouldn’t see it. i hurt all of them, and it ended in them confronting me about my actions. they put me in my place and called me out for my horrible attitude.

after seeing my friends' perspectives, i realized just how awful i was to them and sincerely apologized to each of them. i recognized their feelings towards my actions and didn't make excuses. even though i was going through a hard time myself, my abuse towards them was absolutely NOT justified. as i recovered, i made sure not to hurt them any more, and years later, our friendships are still going strong.

my experiences aren't nearly as extreme as what wilbur has done to shelby, but i think it's pretty fucking clear that his apology was flaming dog shit served on a trash dump. like, i was a fifteen year old. he's a Grown Ass Man with a big platform. he dug his own grave by talking about himself first instead of actually addressing his mistreatment of shelby first and foremost. he didn't even MENTION shelby by name. talking about his "strides to betterment" without even directing his apology towards the person he actually hurt is just pathetic. that whole spiel about how he "thought" the whole exchange was consensual is fucking wild. he didn't even apologize for that; he moved on right afterwards.

we can infer that wilbur has been struggling with being a person who has done bad things through his songs and lovejoy's music. he might have been going through a hard time and maybe even regretted it (though his apology really makes it seem like he's just doing it for damage control), that STILL doesn't validate any hurt he might have caused. the least he could’ve done is to sincerely apologize to shelby, even if she didn’t accept it. but he couldn’t even do that.

it's just disappointing that, as someone who has a platform of millions of followers, he displayed an act of shallowness. in the end, his attempt at sincerity fell flat and benefited no one, especially not the people he abused. if he had properly apologized, even if his apology wasn't accepted, it would've shown people in a similar situation how to apologize to the people they hurt in the past in a mature and sincere way.

so, yeah. FUCK wilbur soot. focus not on the fact that he has done bad, but that the one he abused didn’t get a proper apology. support shelby and other victims of abuse. listen to their experiences and spread awareness of these cautions. uplift their voices, not his.

for those who have connected to his and lovejoy's music that have gone through a similar dark time in their lives, i also extend my heart out to you. it must also be hard to see someone who reflected your struggles of betterment reveal himself to be someone who really hasn't gotten better at all.

but you don’t have to be like him. you don’t need to follow in his steps as long as you own up to your mistakes, even if you can’t talk to those you hurt anymore. in the end, what matters most is that you apologize in a sincere way and make sure you don’t repeat those mistakes going forward.

you CAN get better. if anything just so spite that british boy’s ass

thank you. kiwi out ✌️

#ask to tag #discourse #am i yapping? maybe #but i just really wanted to say something about it because. ugh #actually not sure how i feel about tagging him any more but i do want to spread the word and trigger tag #shubble #wilbur soot #tw abuse #abuse ment #also after all this i still can’t hate lovejoy. their songs portray the aromantic struggle in ways not many other bands have #but that doesn’t mean i won’t replace their songs in my playlist with a local file upload get fucked lmaooo no money for you until #you get your shit together #kiwi’s calls

[dreams-sies]

I don’t know what to feel honestly about Wilbur, like i feel bad for him, but i have a feeling what he’s going through is just karma for lying about who he is constantly, and it gotten bigger and bigger overtime, and of course, also of abusing people and manipulating them.

They didn’t even talk about Shelby, or even mention her which is a big sign they are trying to hide what Wilbur did to Shelby.

Hoping Shelby is doing good.

#discourse #lovejoy #wilbur situation #wilbur soot

[quackitytheduck]

girl...

#discourse #lovejoy #bsffr

[charlie-but-not-slimecicle]

honestly im torn about listening to lovejoy because most of the guys in lovejoy? not wilbur soot. i will not be listening to exclusively wilbur soot music, though, but im not sure about lovejoy

#felix babbles #i have a huge appreciation for the music of lovejoy and I've genuinely tuned out the vocals sometimes to listen to it so. I'm just saying #it's good music and im not going to say it isn't. unless something further comes up I'm cool w/ lovejoy but not wilbur soot #discourse

[aroacesafeplaceforall]

hello, its me! the anon who asked for your opinion abt shipping Alastor with other characters :)

firstly, thank you for answering! i totally agree that, if you build on a character's canon aro/ace orientation, then shipping them would be okay. ive just heard other people say doing that was aroace erasure, and i didnt feel like i had much say, because (as previously stated) im aceflux and nebularomantic.

my sexuality fluctuates, and i cant really tell the difference between romantic and platonic attraction, which is why i didnt feel qualified to put out my opinion on such matters

i also feel like i should apologize, bc i kinda feel like my ask may have snowballed into some sort discourse? idk, just from what i saw when looking at the blog every now and then, it looked like some shit was going down, revolving around Alastor 😭

now, onto why im here: why should someone do if a person they looked up to, who outwardly supported the aroace community, turns out to be a horrible person? (im sure that some people reading this can already guess who im talking about)

i feel so icky about the situation, bc ive supported and loved this person for years. all of the songs theyve ever written have been so aro-coded (as said by aromantics), and a vast majority of their fanbase is aromantic/on the aro/ace spectrum, myself included. they even spoke about their love for the aromantic community openly, and now, with them being exposed as a horrible person, i dont really know how to feel. is there any advice you could give me and others who are in the same boat? /nf

—sincerely, 🦢🦌

No it’s all good! The discourse was started by me ducking up and some people taking it slightly to far.

Unfortunately I do know who you’re talking about. I was in that fandom back in 20-22 ish, and I couldn’t be happier that I left. Honestly. I don’t know ANYthing about the situation other then someone being revealed to be a piece of shit for some reason and I would like to keep it that way:

I don’t need to know the details about what this person did.

Small side note before I begin:

I think the problem is a lot of people have put people like that on a pedestal while not knowing anything about them. 

The big difference between e- celebrities and true (actors, singers, rich assholes ect) celebrities is the accountability of the public. True celebrities have been held accountable much sooner and to much more effect then e-celebrities due to the fact that the media cares what they do. The paparazzi ect

People talking about not listening to said persons music anymore: reminder that it’s not only them who produces and plays that music. Don’t listen to their solo shit, burn CDs rip it off YouTube, piracy is on the rise.

The rest of the people involved with the band are NOT at fault here and their career and income should not have to suffer for an asshole.

“Cancel” the person not the team.

You can still relate to something without relating to the asshole

You can still relate to something without being the asshole

Be respectful

Listen to victims

And a word for my aspecs ->

The amount of straight people who are just as bad doesn’t matter here, no matter what happens next, all people will see is “he supported aroace spec people” and will try and use it.

Ignore that block them and report harassment

Stay safe anon

#asks #ask #sorry if this was a mess #dsmp #lovejoy #wilbur soot #discourse #tw abuse #tw violence

[sapphicwithapen]

never trust a rock musician bro damn

#wtf was that fake ass twitter apology #im not gonna get into discourse abt the wilbur thing because i dont want to start anything with strangers online #but actually what the FUCK was that. #new contestant for worst twitter apologies just dropped #this sucks so bad i really do like lovejoy #and wilbur’s solo music #but erm. not gonna do that anymore! #wilbur soot #wilbur situation #go support shelby!!

[swordalt]

From The Perceptive Of Shubble.

The claims made in this video are quite simple Shelby claims that Wilbur has been abusive to her.

She Alleges his abuse was by bitting her, thus causing her physical harm. Gaslighting her and love booming her.

After such he had apology and she does not accept it, all of which is visible in the video.

If we were to give Shelby's statments credit, then it would seem Wilbur is an abusive person who doesn't care about her feelings and only intent to lie and cause her pain.

Please see the full video

#wilbur situation #qsmp #qsmp discourse #qsmp investigation #Youtube #Lovejoy

[rgbstatic]

some of these people are... chronically online and have like. serious parasocisl issues

mark and joe were on the roof waving and people were screaming for Wilbur when he wasn't even there at first

and when he did show up like a dozen at least yelled for him to drop his phone

I've heard like 2 people in proximity to me talk about sneaking backstage

also everyone WAS sitting comfortable but they made everyone scrunch real close together because people were pushing and cutting in line so they can get merch early

some of the things I have heard waiting in line is uncomfortable at best

#rgb talking #lovejoy #lovejoy milwaukee #discourse

[hopelovejoy]

Why are people on Twitter genuinely mad at LOVEJOY for being cryptic💀 nobody knows how to have funny more

#lovejoy #discourse

[sweetheartvalle]

https://www.tumblr.com/sweetheartvalle/722459971501064192/i-genuinely-do-not-understand-antis-so-youre

one sided beef with a random ass content creator whom you pretended to be a fan of its so sad

it is, but i’m happy knowing their content creators are pieces of shit and are just as spineless as them

meanwhile dream’s the happiest he’s been with his boyfriend & best friends alongside him

#the lovejoy twt handle told me everything lmao #discourse tag #maesinbox #anon ask

[cosmosisfold]

my own post because I've seen a lot of other heartbroken artists:

please don't delete your works or cut all creativity related to wilburs works. he is not his characters. you liked a character he made years ago, and thats okay. you are not supporting him by keeping up old fanfic and posts you've made.

personally, lovejoy has inspired a lot of my own creative work and I can't bring myself to remove them from the many many playlist's ive made. (and honestly i don't want to get into music artist discourse about endorsing them by listening to them, because thats a whole ballpark)

i will not be watching or following anything to do with him in the future, and i feel upset about how so much of my work has been influenced by his. but I can't just throw it all out to make myself feel better. please be kind to yourself in this time

i wish nothing but positivity and good people for shelby.

#wilbur soot

[dearorpheus]

hello, your blog's vibes are absolutely impeccable! I was wondering if you could recommend me some nonfiction reading on eroticism, religion or fear? I'd love to read about any of these topics, but I never really know where to start looking for good theory books or essays, so I usually end up reading fiction instead. any nonfiction recs would be deeply appreciated (and on other topics too if you have particular favorites). have a nice day!

hello! thank you for the kind words♡

hm! some reading might be: - Erotism: Death and Sensuality + Visions of Excess, Bataille - Masochism: Coldness and Cruelty & Venus in Furs, Deleuze - The Sadeian Woman: And the Ideology of Pornography, Angela Carter - Hurts So Good: The Science and Culture of Pain on Purpose, Leigh Cowart - Eros the Bittersweet, Anne Carson - A Lover's Discourse, Roland Barthes - Uses of the Erotic, Audre Lorde - A Literate Passion: Letters of Anaïs Nin and Henry Miller, 1932-1953 - Foucault's Histor[ies] of Sexuality - Being and Nothingness, Sartre - The Argonauts, Maggie Nelson - Aesthetic Sexuality: A Literary History of Sadomasochism, Romana Byrne - Pleasure Principles: An Interview with Carmen Maria Machado - "The Aesthetics of Fear", Joyce Carol Oates - Recreational Terror: Women and the Pleasures of Horror Film Viewing, Isabel Cristina Pinedo - "On Fear", Mary Ruefle - "In Search of Fear", Philippe Petit - Female Masochism in Film: Sexuality, Ethics and Aesthetics, Ruth Mcphee - Powers of Horror, Julia Kristeva - Hélène Cixous' Stigmata (i am thinking esp of "Love of the Wolf") - Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis - anything from Caroline Walker Bynum.... Wonderful Blood, Fragmentation and Redemption, Holy Feast and Holy Fast - excerpts of Letter From a Region in my Mind, James Baldwin - Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche (re: Christian morality, death of God) - Waiting for God, Simone Weil - The Myth of Sisyphus, Albert Camus - Modern Man in Search of a Soul, Carl Jung - "The Genesis of Blame", Anne Enright

do know as well that Lapham's Quarterly has issues dedicated entirely to these subjects you've mentioned: eros, religion, fear ! there's also this wonderful ask from @rotgospels on biblical horror theory

other non-fic i will always rec: - "On Self-Respect", Joan Didion - Illness as Metaphor + Regarding the Pain of Others, Susan Sontag - The Art of Cruelty: A Reckoning, Maggie Nelson - "The Laugh of the Medusa", Hélène Cixous - Ways of Seeing, John Berger - The Faraway Nearby, Rebecca Solnit - The Body in Pain, Elaine Scarry some non-fic things i've read lately: - "Mary Shelley's Obsession with the Cemetery", Bess Lovejoy - "Horror Lives in the Body", Megan Pillow - "The Cruel Myth of the Suffering Artist", Patrick Nathan - "The Rub of Rough Sex", Chelsea G. Summers - "The Lost Art of Memorizing Poetry", Nina Kang - "The problem with English", Mario Saraceni

#i hope you have a wonderful day too! #asks

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