#isomisogyny

[trans-androgyne]

Polls are kind of fun so I’m doing a real one about atm this time. Feel free to reblog for a bigger sample, I’m curious about people’s opinions here. Please only respond if you use the term yourself, don’t speculate as an outside observer.

Referring to the concept describing the oppression transmascs experience at their specific intersection of transphobia and misogyny (or a similar definition),

Also, please let me know if your definition is different, I’m curious to hear. I went with the most common one in my experience but anti-masculinity/misandry/androphobia/etc. is considered a big component for some people and not a factor at all for others.

#poll #transandrophobia #transmisandry #anti transmasculinity #transgynemisia #isomisogyny #transmasc #trans man #ftm #trans #mine

[baeddel-txt]

#baeddel #baeddels #baeddelism #isomisogyny #transandrophobia

[a-polite-melody]

I actually really hate the whole “the problem isn’t trans men speaking on trans men’s issues, it’s just that the word transandrophobia that makes it a problem” bullshit.

Because it IS bullshit.

Because we’ve tried multiple words. And apparently, every time we do, no, that word is bad too.

After isomisogyny, then transmisandry, being dismissed for the exact same reason—your word is bad—this third time it’s become perfectly transparent that the word isn’t the problem. It’s the idea of there being a word that’s the problem. Because it’s easier to talk about harder to ignore or minimize it that way.

We aren’t allowed to have language. That’s the only thing I can conclude.

#my post #transandrophobia #transmisandry

[doberbutts]

Okay. So. Longass post while I eat dinner and wait for my controller to charge and then I’m going back to my game.

The problem is it’s never actually been about the word itself.

We tried transandrophobia. Transmisandry. Isomisogyny. Transmascphobia. Anti-transmasculinity. People fought about literally all of them, saying they don’t exist, that they legitimize incel and terf language, that they’re some power grab, that they’re inherently transmisogynistic.

We tried transmisogyny and were told it was just for trans women and that we couldn’t use it.

We tried “transphobia specific to trans mascs”. We were told there is no such thing. That other demographics experience it and thus it’s actually theirs and not ours to discuss. We brought up trans mascs with genders marked M or X being denied abortions, pap smears, and other reproductive care. Trans mascs correctively raped by their significant others and spouses they were forced by their families to marry. Trans mascs who were targeted specifically because they were trans mascs, often buried as women under their dead names to be forever misgendered by history. We were told we were making it up and that we were weaponizing our womanhood by discussing these lived experiences.

We tried “just” misogyny. We were told that as men, we weren’t allowed to say that we experienced misogyny because trans men are men and men never experience misogyny and thus our very real experiences weren’t really ours and they weren’t that bad.

We tried “just” transphobia. We were told that as trans men, we don’t really experience transphobia because any transphobia we do experience is actually transphobia about trans women and thus our very real experiences weren’t really ours and they weren’t that bad.

You don’t have to take my word for it. You can go into the tags of any of those words and see exactly that being discussed in real time right now in 2023. I’ve even got screenshots from @baeddel-txt if you want to give yourself psychic damage by reading truly the worst takes ever from 2014 onwards.

At some point, one has to admit what it’s actually about is stopping trans mascs from discussing the way they’ve been treated by society, and stopping others from considering that maybe the way they’ve been treating us is a problem.

And make no mistake- while some of it is coming from trans fems and it’s impossible to say it’s not, just as there’s shit-flinging in reverse from trans mascs to trans fems as well, because for some reason we prefer to blame each other rather than working together to solve our problems as a collective- if you take a scroll through these tags a lot of it is coming from cis people and fellow trans mascs. A lot of it is coming from other LGBT or otherwise queer-identified people and a lot of it matches previous attempts at killing the ace, bi, and pansexual communities using the same arguments that the internet likes to cycle through every couple of years and has been doing since online communities began to exist.

So, I ask you, if you got through this and still want to write a witty retort, what have you done to help us fix the staggering amounts of suicide, sexual assault, and beatings we face? What have you done to help us fix the staggering amounts of us being denied necessary healthcare? What is your solution to all this, besides to sit at your computer or scroll through your phone and quibble about whether or not the specific word is allowed to be used this week?

[tandoori-frost]

I just want to make it super clear to everyone that follows me, transandrophobia/isomisogyny/transmisandry (I personally use transandrophobia), is real.

It does real meaningful harm to people, including me, every day. There are people who have made wonderful essays, I am not going to be one of them, but please seek them out and read them.

If you do not thing that trans men deal with our own specific form of oppression, or your think that the words involved matter more than the bigotry being talked about, I would prefer you block me and move on, because if I find out you hold those beliefs I'll be doing the same.

And just to ward of the worst of the bullshit, transandrophobia does not mean trans women oppress trans men, that's called lateral oppression. It doesn't mean trans men are more oppressed than trans women, thats playing oppression Olympics.

Whatever you want to say, I can promise I've heard it, please just be kind the the trans men in your life and online.

Putting my DNI on here cause I anticipate This breaking containment, DNI: terfs, sysmeds, transmeds, queerphobes, people who think transandrophobia isn't real, and people who believe in Narc abuse. I block frequently and at will. Your anon hate will not be posted.

#transandrophobia #transmisandry #transphobia #trans man #putting this in tags to be seen cause honestly just fuck today #trans people do not meaningfully oppress other trans people #trans people can enact lateral oppression but not systematic oppression

[omegawizardposting]

"You can talk about the oppression of transmascs without calling it transandrophobia!"

When we called it transphobia, y'all told us we weren't oppressed and shouldn't complain.

When we called it misogyny, y'all told us men couldn't experience misogyny or that it was "misdirected", so we weren't oppressed and shouldn't complain.

When we called it transmisandry, y'all told us that misandry wasn't real, so we weren't oppressed and we shouldn't complain.

When we call it transandrophobia, y'all tell us that androphobia isn't real, so we aren't oppressed and shouldn't complain.

I've seen other terms suggested. Isomisogyny. Virilmisia. All of them shot down by the community, because no, it's not about the terminology. It's about transmascs speaking, making space for ourselves, and acknowledging that privilege and oppression are far more complex than "man privileged, woman oppressed".

And y'all don't like that.

[th4nkyoub3n]

broke: isomisogyny (enforces the oppressor's perspective of the issue, forces issue into a feminist model regardless of whether it's appropriate, etymology groups cis women with trans men, coined by seebs who sucks)

woke: transmisandry (puts emphasis on the identity of the oppressed, recognizes that trans men can internalize feminist misandry, does not imply men's misogyny is directed internally, matches the word transmisogyny without implying that it is as bad, it fucks)

#transgender #tucute #isomisogyny #ratblr #idk what i should tag with

[shitthatshouldntbecontroversial]

People here really be acting like trans women don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t People here really be acting like trans men don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

People here really be acting like fem-aligned amab enbies experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t People here really be acting like masc-aligned afab enbies don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

People here really be acting like unaligned amab enbies don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

People here really be acting like unaligned afab enbies  don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

People here really be acting like masc aligned amab enbies  don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

People here really be acting like fem aligned afab enbies  don’t experience any form of transphobia that other people under trans umbrella don’t

No one should be saying that any of these are greater than the risk trans women and fem-aligned, particularly amab fem-aligned enbies face, and as a transmasc genderqueer, I will personally fight someone for implying otherwise.

 However, acknowledging the fact that each and every one of us experiences forms of transphobia that other trans people don’t should not be considered transmisogyny. Because ultimately, no cissexist, exorsexist society is ever going to truly consider us on the same pedestal as our cis and binary counterparts.

 Our assigned sex, our gender identity, its relation to the binary, our presentation, and so on and so forth, are going to change the ways transphobia is directed at us. The above is a gross simplification.

Speaking personally as a transmasc genderqueer who is gender nonconforming and has both passed and not passed, someone who is transmasc who passes and reject gender roles is going to face transphobia differently than one who doesn’t pass and rejects gender roles.

Why is this controversial?

#trans discourse #transmisogyny #exorsexism #isomisogyny #transphobia #intersectional transphobia #can't wait for the shitstorm this brings #I'd tag as transmisandry since it's used more often than isomisogyny #but i am not willing to deal with 'misandry isn't real so transmisandry isn't!' argument

[fuzzy-robot]

bisexuals experience biphobia from within in the queer community. "i would never date a girl whos fucked a man" "they are always changing their mind" " bisexuality isnt real" etc , which i would argue is significantly different from misplaced homophobia

I know, and I think those things are worth acknowledging. I was just trying to be shitty to half-ass a point.

Again, I do think bi and multisexual people fully deserve to have their specific experiences acknowledged, and forgive me if this is just me being shitty again, but as a bi/pan trans man, these… seem super minor compared to the differences between the generalized trans experience and things that are specific to trans men? We get shit on by both cis and trans people for being too masculine, we get shit on by both cis and trans people for not being masculine enough. We get shit on for our bodies if we’re pre/non-op, and we get shit on if we do get surgeries. 

[funnily enough, people will come from both angles, either holding ftm surgery results up next to amab bodies and shouting “THIS?? THIS ISN’T IDENTICAL TO A CIS MAN???? WHY DID YOU EVEN TRY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS” OR by playing the Faux Ally (cis or trans) card of saying surgery is evidence of “”internalized transphobia”” (???) for not ~loving ourselves enough~]. I also only really see us being either desexualized or straight-up objectified and dehumanized by being pretty much billed as “THE AMAZING REAL-LIFE 3-HOLED LOVEDOLL, PERFECT FOR PROJECTING ON AND LIVING OUT ALL YOUR WILD FANTASIES!! NOW WITH LIFE-LIKE SKIN!!!”, but I am not gonna go farther in and drive myself into a full-on rage before I gotta go to dingdang work. I could keep going, but I feel like I’ve laid out enough to get my point across. 

Especially when I’m pretty sure this is gonna fall on deaf-ass ears anyway.

I shat out that post because I see the exact same people sympathizing with biphobia and accepting that it’s a fully-justified thing (which it is!) but then not only dismissing but openly mocking the very idea that trans men would even broach the subject of wanting any acknowledgement. when it’s a goddamnfact that we do have specific problems that are specific and often inherent to the experience of being both male and afab.

Again again, I’m really not trying to be a shit here, biphobia is real and bad and etc, but… I could honestly avoid being the direct target of biphobia if I just lied and pretended to be fully straight or fully gay. There is no circumstance in which I can avoid being the target of shit slung at trans guys. There’s too much, from too many sources.

And, lordy be, I absolutely LOATHE people who compare different types of oppression and “rank” them in comparison to one another, but I’d say that the gross shit hurled specifically at trans guys is kind of way more violent and damaging than any biphobia I’ve seen or experienced. Don’t get me wrong, I’m genuinely grossed out at myself for throwing that out there, but if this is really the game people want to play, well.

Fuck it. I mean, I don’t really expect this to be taken seriously, I don’t expect people to read this and respond with anything besides dismissal, open mockery or, in the event they actually want to engage me more in-depth, some kind of long series of posts “disproving” my assertions these are real and valid complaints. 

I’m just so tired, so fed-up and worn-down, and I really gotta go to work now.

#misdirected misogyny #transmisandry #isomisogyny #tagging even though I think none of those terms are really the greatest #ftm #transphobia #trans guy problems #long post #negative #transmad

[trans-androgyne]

Hi folks I just wanted to post about the r/transandrophobia subreddit and its Discord one more time in case you haven’t seen it. It feels like a lot of people could really use a space to talk about transandrophobia and other transmasculine experiences without getting harassed right now, and these spaces are meant to prevent/minimize that. The Discord link can be found in the intro post of the subreddit or by DMing me. Stay safe out there.

#transandrophobia #transmisandry #transgynemisia #isomisogyny #transmasc #trans man #ftm #trans #transgender #mine

[baeddel-txt]

#baeddel #baeddels #baeddelism #isomisogyny #transandrophobia

[a-polite-melody]

It kinda sucks that the word "isomisogyny" has been left behind because above even "transandrophobia", I like how it also addresses the way misogyny is used to police ALL men, not just trans men. It really captures that sense of "the worst thing a man can be is a woman" sentiment inherent to misogyny, the way womanhood and femininity are bad and corruptive to the hegemonic ideal of masculinity, the false dichotomy between the two. I really like it as a word.

Yeah. I missed out on those conversations because I was pretty unaware of them taking place at the time.

There are people having those kinds of conversations under a different name—antimasculism/anti-masculism—lately, which has been a good look at the broader sense of patriarchal misogyny outside of just conversations about women and/or transmascs.

[justice-princess-blog-blog]

Okay, I was curious, so I delved into the isomisogyny tag. I just... wow. For those not in the know, isomisogyny is the new term being used in place of transmisandry. There's nothing new to the definition, it's just taking out the "misandry" because we all know misandry is bogus. I've read trans men describing their experiences of oppression, even one discussing the intersectionality of being trans and male. That guy was onto something, there is intersectionality at play there. The intersection between an area of great oppression (trans) and privilege (male.) He got the wrong conclusion. It's transphobia. It's called transphobia.

#isomisogyny #transphobia

[th4nkyoub3n]

aidenphobia is a better term than both isomisogyny and transmisandry. i’ve decided this.

[punlich]

Trans dudes should just rename isomisogyny/transmisandry to AlsoMisogyny because really all this boils down to is trans men going "I'M ALSO AS OPPRESSED AS TRANS WOMEN OK (and sometimes by them but I'll never say that explicitly)"

#transmisogyny #transmisandry #isomisogyny #lmao

[fuzzy-robot]

"TRANS MEN WANTING AKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE FACT THEY FACE CERTAIN STRUGGLES UNIQUE TO THEM IMPLIES THEIR STRUGGLES ARE AS BAD AS TRANS WOMEN'S OR TRANS WOMEN HAVE SOME KIND OF 'SOCIAL CAPITAL' OVER THEM AND IS THEREFORE TRANSMISOGYNISTIC" slowly, silently slides you into an actual garbage can

#isomisogyny #I just want it in the tag #how does that even #how is that #how is #cis people