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strangertheories · 2 years

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what do you want to happen versus what do you think will happen versus what's your worst case scenario?

This post will be pro-byler, pro-ronance, pro-lumax, pro-steddie and pro-jopper, but also anti-m*leven and anti-st*ncy so fans of those ships might want to skip this one. I talk about death, homophobia and racism. Also the "worst case scenario" is not actually the worst option, it's the worst thing I think I could see actually happening in the show. By the way, this is nearly five thousand words long so I appreciate it if you even read just a part of it as it took ages (: doubt the anon wanted this much but oh well! I'll put the headings in red and the subheadings in purple so if you want to skip to a specific part then that is easier to do. So without further ado, here's way too many words about my opinions.

What I want to happen

California:

Will - in Volume 2, I want Will to fall into a Vecna trance. Not because I want him to suffer, but his character has not been explored anything close to what I'd have liked this season. I hope that within this trance, Will's past in the Upside Down is explored and obviously his sexuality and feelings for Mike (which have been planted for a while) because it would serve as good analysis and also confirm that this stuff didn't appear from nowhere. I want him to discover he has powers or is special within this trance like in Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, one of the top inspirations of S4, which would make sense with his parallels to Vecna, his true sight and the fact that he survived in the Upside Down for a week. I also think maybe Eleven could infiltrate his trance and supportively fight alongside him with a newfound understanding of his life and also get some more willel sibling content.

Mike - I think Mike should see the painting Will made for him and realize that Will truly loves him. But seeing this display of love makes Mike realize that he doesn't love Eleven like he thought he did, something which was already dawning on him. Eleven has also realized she wants to discover things for herself instead of just finding out things through other people like Hopper, Mike, Max, Brenner and 001 and they have a mature mutual break up. Mike gets Vecna'd and then through this trance confronts his inner feelings for Will. I don't know if I want them to get together fully as it would be rushed, but a mutual confirmation of their feelings and huntings of a relationship would be good enough for me followed by a lot of pining before S5. Maybe they could kiss or confirm feelings to each other in the time skip as well.

Johnathan - I don't have too many hopes plot wise for Johnathan. I hope he gets some good moments with Will and that he gets to have moments beyond funny weed guy.

Argyle - I hope Argyle just continues doing his thing and survives. I also hope we get to see more of emotional side to him. We saw him making a gravestone for the military guy so he's clearly very caring and if there is death I feel like we could see a different side to him.

Lab:

Eleven - I've mentioned a lot of what I want with Eleven this season. I want her to have a moment where she realizes she's been told what to do her whole life but she's never been able to find her own personality and I think this could lead to a breakup with Mike. I want her to realize she's more than her powers as well. Then I want her to use her newfound freedom and powers to fight Vecna within minds that she's infiltrated and see more of their interesting parallels and dynamic together.

Dr Owens - I don't hugely care about him. He's going to protect Eleven from the military and maybe he then dies via sacrifice in order to spur her on. I think that could be nice.

Dr Brenner - I'm rooting for an inconclusive ending with him. Like he runs off when the government come unlike Dr Owens and then doesn't return. I'm not sure if I want him to die because his relationship with Eleven is interesting but I don't want him to be a hero either.

Russia:

Joyce - I want to see her being brave. I want to see her being in love with Hopper. I want to see her trying to phone her kids and once they've escaped the prison, trying to hunt them down like the great mother she is. Also, not necessarily in Volume 2, we don't really get much of her backstory which I'd like to learn more about.

Hopper - I need a Hopper/Eleven reunion. I want him to come back and when he sees Mike instead of hating him like we thought for a funny moment, he just hugs him. Because all these kids matter to him. I do want a funny moment later on though when he finds out they broke up.

Murray - We've seen him become a team player and find trust but I would like to see his dynamic with Dmitri. He's warmed up to Russians because of Alexei but I'm not sure if they'll like each other. Idk it just seems like it could be cool.

Dmitri (AKA Enzo) - I already mentioned seeing him interact with the others, but he clearly cares a lot about his son so it would be nice to see a more emotional side to him. You aren't gonna like me for this, but I wouldn't mind if he died just because I don't know how he'd be outside of this environment, although maybe it could be actually good.

Hawkins:

Dustin - Dustin is great comic relief, but he's also super smart and brave. I want to see him helping with the planning like usual, but I also think Dustin fighting would be good. We saw the scene earlier of him standing his ground with Vecna so I'd love if they parallel that scene to show his bravery when he defends Eddie's trailer (with Eddie). Does that parallel mean one of them could die? Maybe, but that's for the what I think will happen section (sorry folks). Maybe it could be used to show how far he's come and how he can now succeed through the encouragement of Eddie and Steve. Also more of Dustin and Steve, I know we've seen it before, but it's good for a reason!

Lucas - I hope we get more character exploration of Lucas. I wouldn't mind him being Vecna'd so long as he survives just to see more of his inner workings. He's got more screen time this season but not nearly enough! They should also wrap up his plotline with popularity and stuff by having him realizing he should just do what he likes instead of trying to conform to what anyone wants him to do, including the Hellfire Club, and calling his friends out for them not accepting his new hobbies. I want them to address that bullying also impacts him differently to them because of the racism he faces that they will never understand. And whilst I love him and Max, I also hope they explore more of his character outside of that relationship.

Max - I don't want Max's struggles to be over. Not in a bad way! Depression and grief isn't something you just quickly get over so I think seeing her re-Vecna'd would be nice, albeit with more strength this time. But then Eleven would show up in the trance to rescue her and she realizes again that she's not alone. I want to see her caring about things again. I want to see her skateboarding, reading comic books, hanging out with Lucas and also letting go of some of the guilt she's been holding on to.

Erica - Again, another character who I want more exploration of. I love Erica, but I would like to see her personality and feelings beyond just being sassy and a nationalist which feels really weird considering she's a black girl in the 80s and would've faced a lot of hardship because of that in America (I would recommend this article talking more about the flatness of her character and the representation of black people of Stranger Things to learn more). Her character has become more this season through her D&D playing and last season's stuff about her being good at maths, but I want to see her being actually genuine when stuff gets worse instead of just the sassy comedic relief. Maybe a heart to heart with Lucas so we can see that beyond her teasing she really cares about him.

Steve - I think it would be cool for Steve to get Vecna'd. Maybe not a full trance, but little visions as he walks through the Upside Down. Steve has an implied past with parental negligence (which I believe helped lead to his babysitter tendencies) and maybe more sprinklings of that to add some more emotional complexity would be interesting. Also, and I know this probably isn't going to happen, but I want Eddie to flirt with him and him to be totally oblivious but later on he tries to flirt really badly but Eddie finds it funny.

Nancy - So we already know Nancy's getting Vecna'd. I want Robin to rescue her and Nancy to start developing a bit of a crush on her. I want her to be impacted by the trance thought which we'd see in a potential flashforward. By looks of it, she's going to have a hostile interaction with Jason which I cannot wait for! Badass Nancy is the best and it looks like we're going to get a lot more of that in Volume 2.

Robin - As I've mentioned, I want Robin to remember Nancy's tapes on her bedside table and send off Steve and Eddie to retrieve it whilst she stays watch (meaning Nancy wakes up in her arms). I want to later see her get Vecna'd and have Vickie in the trance as well as Tammy Thompson (explaining her appearance) and Nancy. Robin liking women is a big deal to her and she seems to have some interalised homophobia in season 3 so I hope they fully explore the implications of her being a lesbian in the 80s. She must not die under any circumstances though!!!

Eddie - I want to see a full circle moment where instead running he stands his ground with Dustin. I don't want him to die though! I want him to work with him and be less independent and together I want them to bring down the demobats. I wouldn't mind him getting guilt visions about Chrissy but instead of getting sad, he uses it as fuel to fight back against Vecna.

Jason - I want him to get his ass handed to him by Lucas and then have Lucas say he needs to save Max and that Chrissy is gone but Max can still be saved, which causes him to realize Lucas isn't involved and by extension the rest of Hellfire. This causes him to have a mini crisis and just leave and break down. In a flashforward, we see him sad and grieving but he's polite towards the members of Hellfire.

What I think will happen

California:

Will - I think Will is going to have a big emotional coming out scene to Johnathan. My personal theory is that Will is going to overhear Mike saying he loves Eleven to encourage her to infiltrate someone's mind with her newfound albeit weakened powers (this could be platonic from when they break up) so Will is going to run off to Johnathan and cry and show him the painting. I think he then will be Vecna'd and have visions in which Mike rejects him and his fresh coming out is warped. I think Eleven will go into his mind and see his feelings and fight off Vecna in sibling solidarity and support.

Mike - I'm honestly not too sure about Mike. It really depends on if Byler is requited or not. Despite being a huge pessimist, I'll share my optimistic thoughts in this section. Mike will find out somehow that Will likes him (probably the painting) and then I think Mike will realize he doesn't like Eleven and have a mature break up with her where he explains he loves her but not in the way that he thought he did. She'll understand and feel encouraged by this. They could heavily hint to his feelings towards Will after this without canonically confirming it yet (except maybe in a flashforward). He could also maybe die to spur on Will and Eleven but that's coming up in the next section.

Johnathan - Unfortunately, I think he's going to just be more of funny weed guy. As I mentioned, he'll have emotional moments with Will and Joyce which I think will be very nice but ultimately aid their characters more than his. Later on, I think he'll meet up with Nancy and break up which makes me sad. Whilst I ship Ronance over Jancy, if Jancy break up it will be for St*ncy which I really dislike. Overall not hopeful in the Johnathan department. At least I don't think he'll die as he's too irrelevant this season lol.

Argyle - more funny weed guy shenanigans. Possibly a surprise death, which I spoke more about in the past. Basically he is surprisingly caring and brave and he's also new and likeable which is a deadly combo in Stranger Things. Out of the California group, I think he's most likely to die.

Lab:

Eleven - Eleven will gain back her powers but knowing what Vecna is capable of, she'll immediately want to leave. She'll get dressed and get ready to go until suddenly the base is stormed. She practices her powers by blowing them up but is completely drained by this and has to be rescued by the Cali crew. Knowing Max is a target, she infiltrates her mind using a sensory deprivation tank at the pizza place in Hawkins and fights off Vecna within there, protecting Max for the moment. She has a big showdown with him within their mindscapes which makes him dormant for the moment (but he'll be back). On an emotional level, she'll be dealing with the blowout from her relationship with Mike failing and also her guilt around her past. Vecna will have an easy time hurting her, let's just say.

Dr Owens - I kind of believe in my 'what I hope will happen' scenario being that he will die for Eleven, protecting her from the soldiers, unlike Brenner who will run off. He'll also be the one to let Eleven leave and not Brenner.

Dr Brenner - Brenner will want to keep Eleven around for experimentation, saying she's too weak, but by now Eleven is not falling for his manipulation. Owens will let her leave and they will argue whilst Eleven is about to go only for the government to come storming in. Owens could jump in front of Eleven and get shot meanwhile Brenner runs away like the coward he is.

Russia:

Joyce - I think we'll get what I hoped from her minus the backstory stuff. We'll see her loving Hopper but also her anxiety over her children and her need to get back to California and see them only to find out what's going on, giving a whole new layer to the need to escape.

Hopper - Similar to what I wanted. We'll see Hopper have emotional reunions with Eleven and have so many more romantic Jopper moments. The one thing I don't think will happen is an emotional moment with Mike, but it's nice to dream. Maybe will even see more of the Jopper parenting duo.

Murray - I think Murray is going to die this season. There's shots of him in the trailer burning something which I believe are things from the Upside Down that Russia stole. In terms of character arc it makes sense too. Going from being a disillusioned lone wolf to a guy who cares about his friends so much that he was willing to sacrifice himself for them is super emotional.

Dmitri - Also at risk from death. As I said, I just don't know how he'd fit in in America. It would also probably be quite emotional if he said something about Mikhail (not sure how it's spelt) before he died and Hopper promised to tell him he's a hero or something along those lines. I'm less sure of him than other characters but this is my leading theory at the moment.

Hawkins:

Dustin - I think that Dustin is going to decide to be brave and go into the Upside Down to defend Eddie's trailer. Eddie is going to use echolocation to lure the demobats away from Vecna leaving him and Dustin alone to face them. I think Dustin will be successful at fighting but get stuck leading to Eddie sacrificing himself for him, which makes Dustin very sad and could be used in a future Vecna trance (possibly in S5 when Vecna comes back).

Eddie - As I said, I think Eddie is going to sacrifice himself for Dustin. This would be a full circle moment from him encouraging them to run in 01x04 only for him to stand his ground and die so Dustin could land a critical hit on the demobats. Maybe Dustin would try to stop him and that he's probably going to die but he'd say something like "a wise guy once said never tell me the odds" and I'd cry.

Lucas - Lucas is going to beat up Jason but only to try and get back to Max who's re-tranced. They kiss once she's saved for the second time. We get to see him caring for and defending Max. Unfortunately, I feel like they've dropped his plot from at the start of the season and we won't get much complex exploration of popularity and the impact of his racist bullying on him compared to his white counterparts.

Max - Max will get re-Vecna'd but this time Vecna is more prepared for her to try and escape. My theory is that he's going to make a fake portal that she's going to run through so she thinks she's safe only for Vecna to strike again based on a monopoly card. I think Eleven will try and fight back Vecna in the trance, potentially saving Max although she is definitely at risk for death. The horrified shot of Lucas doesn't make me the most optimistic.

Erica - I don't think she'll do much beyond just being sassy unfortunately. Maybe she'll fight in the Upside Down but I doubt she'll be developed beyond comic relief.

Steve - Steve is going to infiltrate the Creel House in the Upside Down alongside Nancy and Robin. I doubt he'll get Vecna'd but he might get more visions potentially of his parents but I also think more spider-y stuff like we saw too. I think he's at a huge risk for death because it like Murray and Eddie would narratively make sense for him. Seeing him go from selfish jerk to sacrificing himself would be heartbreaking. I hope they don't kill him thought as S5 will really feel his absence and Joe Keery has some of the best line delivery on the show.

Nancy - After escaping her trance, Nancy will be very shaken up but ready to fight. I don't believe she will die. She is going to attempt to hunt down and shoot Vecna in the Upside Down along with Robin and Steve although I imagine this is not going to go well, resulting in injury but probably not death. Whilst there, Vecna will scatter in visions of Barb to try and throw her off. Afterwards, if Steve is alive they might throw her with him and have her break it off with Johnathan. If he dies, we'll probably get a posthumous confession of love. I'm not a fan of this ship.

Robin - Robin could be in a Vecna trance or at least get visions. These would be about her lesbianism and feelings for Vickie. Vecna would use this to torment her. I still think she will survive. If Steve does die then she'll be hit very hard by that and may fight off Vecna in his memory.

Jason - Kinda feel like my hope for him is going to come true. He's gonna fight Lucas, see Max, realize his error and then have a mini crisis. Or he'll double down, Vecna will say she was cheating and then he'll eventually die.

Worst case scenarios (superhell)

California:

Will - Will has a rushed coming out scene and then gets killed whether through Vecna or not. Then Mike posthumously finds his painting and it's enough for Mike to realize what love is in order to tell Eleven.

Mike - Mike realizes his undying love for Eleven and confesses it to her which is enough encouragement to temporarily harm Vecna and make him dormant. Worse if he dies just after which makes Eleven angry and she defeats him off of that.

Johnathan - He's too irrelevant to realistically die in my opinion. Worst version is that he gets no screen time and then breaks up with Nancy. This seems pretty likely to me sadly but as aforementioned, I'm a pessimist.

Argyle - More funny weed guy antics who dies out of nowhere and it's really poorly handled.

Lab:

Eleven - Eleven is reduced to nothing more than Mike's girlfriend. Her powers whilst they returned were motivated by protecting Mike and not her brothers. When she goes to attack Vecna she can't do it until Mike encourages her and then at the end she immediately goes to him. We don't see any further exploration of her complex relationship with good and evil, she's now just accepted she's a superhero (proven by Mike of course).

Dr Owens - He betrays Eleven for the government and ends up getting killed by her when she presumably kills them all.

Dr Brenner - Eleven and him now have a really good relationship and he rescues her but it is treated as though that redeemed his prior actions. Whilst he cares about them deep down, they make it feel as though that's enough to redeem him instead of exploring his weird dynamic with the kids.

Russia:

Joyce - Joyce gets killed by the Russians when they're trying to escape. She possibly does this to protect Hopper as some tragic element as they were only just back together. It would also mean Eleven lost her mother again. Whilst this would be sad it feels unnecessarily cruel and also it's not been foreshadowed at all.

Hopper - Similar to Joyce. They re-kill of Hopper so everyone re-loses him and we sob our hearts out over again. I don't think this is likely as there's no way we'd trust he's actually gone after the last time plus they've already grieved so it would just be re-grieving. More likely bad possibility is that the Russia stuff is just really boring until they get to Hawkins.

Murray - He stills dies but it's not heroic, it's just a surprise. We think he's safe but then boom maybe as a parallel to Joyce. This could be handled well but this is super hell season 4 so it's not. It's rushed and it's not as emotionally impactful.

Dmitri - He's just kind of there, not really helping, and if he does survive he's barely included in later stuff because they didn't know what to do with his character post-Russia.

Hawkins:

Dustin - Dustin gets panicked and briefly stops defending the demobats leading to Eddie being killed and a shit ton of guilt that Vecna uses against him. He is so upset he's unable to keep on fighting and he fades into the background earlier.

Eddie - Eddie's worst case scenario is a reverse Dustin. Dustin and Eddie fight together but Eddie panics and backs off leading to Dustin fending for himself and dying. Eddie, feeling guilty about Chrissy and Dustin, gives up and ends up dying or handing himself in for murder.

Lucas - Lucas is sidelined and shoved to the background. Whilst fighting Jason, he's unable to defend Max so when she dies he blames himself. We don't really get to see much of his reaction as it's shoved over for more fighting. If she doesn't die then he barely appears at all until they all reunite at the end.

Max - Max dies within her second Vecna trance. Except instead of being in a way that's engaging and sad, it's a boring physical fight that she loses causing Eleven to swoop in and exile Vecna but it's too late. The show is now left without her presence. Lumax was never reunited.

Erica - Yet again, the worst case scenario is what I think will happen. Erica will be irrelevant only to make sassy comments. If it was really bad they'd kill her leading to that shot of horrified Lucas but then they'd have to actually explore her character through a trance which I doubt the show would do.

Steve, Nancy - Either of them dies in a hastily done manner in which the other one then posthumously confesses their love for the other. It's not developed enough and also if they die I want them to go out in a good way, especially Steve. Robin is then left to mourn on her own which is a shame as we'd lose one of two amazing character dynamics and one great ship (Ronance).

Robin - Robin dies. Full stop. I don't care how well its written, how tastefully its handled, it's impact on the plot. I know all too well how much it sucks for them to kill of lesbian characters and it happens way too often. There's no way they can kill her off in a good way in my opinion. I love this show so much but I don't know how I'd react to her dying.

Jason - They just drop his plotline after Lucas beats him in a fight. Like he just runs off and it's never resolved. We're left to assume he stopped his revenge for his girlfriend's brutal murder because he got punched and he was so ashamed that he just gave up.

So that's the post… woah it's long. Thanks so much for reading this far, I don't understand how you have the patience to do it! And thanks for the ask as well, anon.

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beaulesbian · 2 years

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No bc Mike getting vecna'd is such a good idea if byler endgame is the goal. Like his regret/shame would be the fact that he can't say ily to his gf and the fact that he's in love w his best friend but repressing it. Then will could confess and this would remove some of that shame thus possibly saving him?? Cause people saying will gets cursed has me wondering what his regret would be (other than his love for Mike, which he seems to be relatively accepting of, whereas Mike (if he is in love w will) is repressing it much more and prob thinks it will hurt el whom he really cares about)

(this got a bit longer than i first wanted, but i have too many delusional theories 💖)

exactly, i see this more even as a great tool for their respective character developments than even for the ship itself, but ofc that would be best outcome if this all happened.

in my opinion if will gets vecna'd it would just be too similar to what hes already been through before, it would be unnecessary repeating. what we need is to see will have some connection to the upside down, that will help by the end to defeat vecna or whoever else in s5.

meanwhile it would be much more interesting to see this with mike. bc overall its a bit more difficult to see what hes really thinking, if we only see the surface level emotions.

first, he cares about all his friends beyond anything. and while will and el and max went through such trauma that was very visible, (and theyre still dealing with that, we still dont know much how mike is dealing with anything.

we only see how he changes depending on whos around him and how they interact together (dustin and lucas, eddie, will, el, his family - i feel he acts very different around each of them)

In season one his best friend went missing, was pressumed dead and had a funeral - mike thought, even for a while, he lost him permanently.

In that time el appeared and was helping find will, his friends suddenly think he likes her more than a friend (its whats normal, right? Ofc he should like her before he even knows himself...)

He fights with lucas about el in s1, and one of the things he said (i cant remember exactly now) is how he feels guilty they fought about it, "if only he could have said something more, something better, its my fault"

i think he said something similar in different situations during the first three seasons, and then in s4, when hes opening up to will about this, he tells him similar thing twice "if only i explained myself better, i should have said something more to el, do something better"

from that i get the feeling hes always trying to do not just the best he can, but whats expected of him. and when he finds he doesnt have the power to stop something, or physically cannot make himself say something thats probably not true, he blames himself afterwards.

S3 is such rollercoaster for him, hes with el but cant be with el bc hopper, and then cant say what he feels - or maybe he doesnt know whats hes supposed to feel. And then el and will are leaving. Two of his most important friends, and i think thats what made him all the more confused, bc what if he misses will more than el?

Why did the promise of will wanting only play d&d with mike made him smile so much, but then the kiss with el made him all the more confused?

theres two such contrasts in his personality, where one of his main beliefs is "friends dont lie" and he does as much as he can with honestly, but at the same time he pushes something inside him down and pretends it doesnt exist (his complicated feelings towards.. romance, lets say).

Back to the vecna theory - this is why i think if mike gets vecna'd it would add more perspective to his character and for us to see what all hes been going through in the past seasons.

Same as his feelings towards will, its been there building from s1.

It could be few flashbacks and memories telling the audience the scenes that already happened from mike's point of view, how he struggles at home,

how he regretted the words he said to will in s3 (its not my fault you dont like girls), bc it was more directed at himself than will, but he didnt realize that yet.

how finding eddie and playing in d&d club could mean hes slowly finding himself (and with d&d being like a connection will again, bc its something they both loved playing together).

And how all of this is so confusing, especially for their time in the 80s, and hes still trying his best, but slowly, more and more cant ignore that his heart wants something (someone) else than hes supposed to be with.

Its just all these things that will go either unnoticed and unmentioned in the series, which i think would be a shame, or it could be addressed in the way with vecna who would manipulate his fears and nightmares, and if others can save him (which im sure they would), he could start process it in a better way, more honest to himself as well to others. To accept himself, and by that also will's feelings (if he noticed those, which i dont think he did, i think will noticed mike's confused ones, if anything.)

#ok posting it like this theres probably a million mistakes but i could only write this during work half thinking about other things shdjnf #byler #my ramblings #i hope this wasnt totally confusing i just have too many headcanons and theories about mike and his character #at the same time i wanna hug him but also.. boy you need some vecna therapy sorry about that #stranger things #spoilers #mine #byeler

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breadcrumbonbed · 2 years

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My anger reasons with stranger things s4-

Byler not being cannon , and will my boi is just miserable, I'd reather wish for will being happy than byler being cannon.

Will and Mike not being vecna'd cause it will give us soooo much intrusting content

We didn't get to know a lot about Eddie

Eddie dying ,idk but in my opinion his death was soo useles cause the amount of time he saved would be the same as the bats going back to the haunted house . The bats would have just died near the castle and Eddie could have lived because the bats really died for good .

It felt like nobody gave a flying shit about Eddie's death . Just being mentioned by dustin isn't enough. They could have brought the body back from there and had a proper funeral.

Max's letters . Atleast when she was in the hospital they could have played her letters as a background voice just so we could atleast know what she thought in here depressing times and how she is a little happy now.

Will crying . Guys i want will to just gay up dominate the world now

How they used Will's love confessioning painting as something to make the straight couple stronger.

Mike being the heart???? Bitch what .just because he found el and became his boyfriend doesn't mean he is the heart ,he is just close to the one holding the power to defeat vecna . As we can see not a single persons gave a shit while planing to kill vecna when there so called heart is missing .

I believe Dustin could have been a better heart then mike . He cares for his friend even if they move away (*unlike someone*) he even make mike say sorry to lucus when they had a fight in season 1. And more over HE IS ADORABLE.

Will not being the focus anymore . It felt like he was just there to give booster to mikeven.

Mike's "i love you ". Girl ! It was dryer then my grandma's ass. el and will deserves better.

#eddie stranger things #stranger things season four #stranger things s4 #stranger things #stranger things season 4 #max mayfield #maxin #byler better be canon #byler #will byers #mike weeler #lucus #dustin stranger things #st s4 vol 2 #st s4 #fuck duffer brothers #fuck love #queerbaiting #eddie st4

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aurelion-cerulean · 2 years

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Will or Mike: Who Gets Vecna'd? (Split Post Pt 1)

Or In Which Mike Gets Vecna'd and How We Might See It Part 1

(OG Full Post, Posted July 25th, 2022)

I'm reposting this for sake of reading because the OG post is really long

Short answer? I think it will be Mike.

Long answer? Lemme explain.

(Remember this is my personal opinion. I really don't have time to deal with people so, if you don't agree please just don't bother to engage.)

I think that in S5, or it would make sense to me, that we (the audience) think that it is Will. There will be scenes, memories that are being played for us, along with Vecna talking and the clock. But UNLIKE Max or any of the others, we won’t see who is running. I think that these could play out as quick scenes through the episodes. Why? We as the audience already know Vecna’s MO. So it doesn’t need to be as explained. But I think they would want to keep it ambiguous.

We will get scenes and locations: memories that both Will and Mike share. The Roller Rink, the friend break up in the rain, halloween, etc. Right? We’re going to get clues that these are scenes of the past and that someone is running.

Then each time after we get the nightmare, I think we’ll get Will waking up. Every single time. So we get the implication that Will is the one having the nightmares and why not? He is the one with the connection after all.

There are two scenes that I think we could get that can note something is strange however. One, a mirror to Season 2, where Mike wakes Will up and asks if he is okay. Will can either answer or avoid it. I think he would explain that he’s sensing Vecna and Mike would understand, but I have a feeling that he won’t be able to explain everything and we as the audience will be like, “oh. It’s because it involves Mike.” Two, Will wakes up alone, and Mike later clocks that he’s not okay and asks him about it, and once again Will says he had a nightmare and Mike says that they’ll be okay.

Why is this strange? Because Vecna’s victims never wake up from a dream from sleep (we know they have nightmares but the visions scenes in S4 were always shown to us when the person was awake). It’s always when they are awake. Also, I want Will to imply that he was in Vecna’s eyes. That he felt as if he were chasing, not that he was running or being followed. And in Will’s mind he’s chasing Mike. This doesn’t have to be a big line. It could be as simple as. “I was running. I don’t know. I had to find… (shakes head). I don’t know. It felt wrong.”

This will cement into our minds that Will and Vecna are facing off, but also imply that Will is in Vecna’s head. Vecna is hunting Mike, and Will is seeing it, but when the others described the Vecna experience, it wasn’t like this so he is very confused. Mike comforts him.

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*This is not byl3r doubt but it is still controversial so maybe you may want to censor it out to not attract drama*

I agree with the other anon who said that they're most probably going for Bi!Mike, actually I think Mike is going to be unlabeled, maybe sort of implied Bi, but I heavily disagree with the Bylers who say Mike will have an angsty arc about him being gay and struggling with that and/or he's gonna get Vecna'd and his struggles with his sexuality will be put on screen in an elaborate manner. I dont think that's gonna happen and I think Mike will stay as unlabeled. If we are getting an elaborate self-accaptence gay angst arc with someone, that's gonna be with Will. Most Bylers think Mike has IH or has long realized the extent and nature of his feelings for Will and that he is struggling with his sexuality but I just don't think that's the case with Mike's character at all tbh. I think that is Will's character (more explicit IH text, and the struggling with the feelings and being gay thing and angst of it). I am NOT saying they both cannot have IH, I just don't think Mike's character is written in that way and I think he's just gonna stay as unlabeled and we won't get an explicit confirmation of his sexuality nor do I think he is that sort of a character as most Bylers claim TBH. And this is not to say Mike cannot have those struggles, and this is not only based on Will's characterization and comparing Mike's to Will's, it is about how I think individually Mike's character is written by the writers regardless of how Will is portrayed. (This is also the case when I think Mike doesn't have ED or actively su1c1dal tendencies as some Bylers claim, and I think it is also sort of harmful to attribute such serious issues to a character that's not intended to be written that way too, but alas...)

I am writing this here because it is hard to find Bylers who don't think the same/similar way. And I sometimes feel alone in this lol but I just think many Bylers will still get blindsided when S5 comes and inevitably most of the stuff that they come up with regarding Mike's character won't/don't actually exist in Mike's character. For example I am one of the few ppl here who thinks Mike did not lie in his monologue. I just think ppl who believe Mike has realized his feelings or was lying in his monologue or he has some angsty serious gay thoughts going on which will be put on screen in an explicit manner are setting themselves up for disappointment.

*You dont have to answer to this ask if you find this too controversial but I still would like to hear your opinions on this, so if you decided to create a new seperate answer post to this post, i would also appreciate that. thanks and stay strong <3*

Hi anon!!

I kinda decided like yesterday that I don't care about being controversial as long as the opinions aren't harmful. I think we should all be allowed to have our interpretations of characters, soooo I will indeed post this. (In this post I'm going to be talking about the fandom generally so don't think I'm singling you out at any point, anon!)

Firstly I would like to start by saying that none of us know what the fuck is going on in Mike Wheeler's head. We have theories, and lots of very plausible theories! But anyone who claims that they know for sure what Mike is thinking, especially when we had such a lack of Mike POV in S4... is arrogant honestly.

That being said, my personal thoughts on this are as follows:

Assuming by1er endgame, I think canon Mike will be unlabeled. I am not sure whether him being queer will be made a big deal of or not. I think a Mike getting Vecna'd and Vecna using his sexuality against him senario is unlikely, though I wish we were getting it. I also think a lot of By1ers have the mindset that if Mike is not confirmed gay then it will be more difficult to reconcile his relationship with El versus his feelings for Will, so they dislike the idea of bi or unlabeled Mike. I understand this thought process, but I don't think the Duffers are thinking like that.

Personally, my interpretation of Mike is that he is gay and does have internalized homophobia. This is primarily because "It's not my fault you don't like girls" reads as projection to me which only makes sense if he 1) is gay and 2) he has some level of internalized homophobia. Also, anyone who is queer in small town Indiana in the 80s has some level of internalized homophobia, sorry. Will does, Robin does, Mike does. (I need to make a post about Robin and Will's internalized homophobia but that's for another day.)

As I've said though, I don't think realistically they will give us confirmed gay Mike, I think he'll be unlabeled and it will be left open ended as far as what his sexuality is.

It's also interesting because I feel like there are three separate things at play when it comes to my feelings about Mike:

1) My personal interpretation based on what I feel is strong canonical evidence (For example, I think he is gay and has ih because of "It's not my fault you don't like girls")

2) What I think the Duffers will actually end up doing. (For example, I don't think the Duffers will explicitly address Mike's sexuality, only that he has feelings for Will.)

3) The parts of my interpretation of Mike that are far more speculative. (For example, I feel that Mike is at least on some level aware of his feelings for Will and he feels ashamed of those feelings. I am a believer in Mike's "angsty gay feelings" lol. But I recognize that we don't have explicit canonical evidence of this, so I don't claim that my interpretation is the correct one. As I said, that would be arrogant.)

I think many people conflate these three things, but maybe I'm just overthinking it by making the distinction in the first place. Who knows? My point is though, it's complicated. And we're not really gonna know what Mike is thinking until S5 comes out.

I feel like this was straight up incoherent but oh well. There's my thoughts.

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