#im here for game dev

[sappho-knight]

girl

#commentary #im JUST scrolling the game dev tags #why tf did i see fuckin ⭐️ lesb on my tag feed #im here for game dev #not for this other unrelated discourse #and people caring about it? in 2023? #ntq #anyway #back to shitting on unity

[sugarflow]

a bit late but happy anniversary!!

#ultrakill #sugarflow #my art #v1 ultrakill #gabriel ultrakill #literally most the ultrakill characters im not going to tag it im sorry #this game means a lot to me. its a bit silly but i feel like ive gotten saved by it a lot of times #i cannot be more grateful about it. im glad im still here :) #thank you to the friends ive made thank you to the inspirations i look up to thank you to the devs who made everything thank you to hakita #ok sappy OVER look at the cerbs touching each other's balls

[greenteabtch]

i literally cannot comprehend the shit show unity is going to go through with the “exempt” charity bundles or “game demos”. Like the solution proposed rn is just “yeah we’ll make a form for you to tell us and then we won’t charge you.” I 100% believe that system is going to be rejecting cases and misapplying charges left and right, if the state of unity basic rn is anything to go by lol. they will build this nose diving plane in the air.

#game dev grumbling #perhaps im a pessimist. i see that it will be on tiered system w the install charge. but regardless. the lack of lovking in #its a slippery slope from here #unity #game dev

[cerberus-writes]

CARNIFICARE. —— A SHORT VN.

a stranger tells you a story about a monster.

&&. GAMEPLAY.

carnificare is coded in twine and playable in browsers. it is a text-centric story with visual novel elements — mostly because it was originally made for a vn game jam. it's a very short story, somewhere between 7-8k words long, and features art done by yours truly. please heed the content warnings. you can play it now on itch.io.

&&. RELEASE: V1 — PLAYABLE NOW ON ITCH.IO

#cer talks #carnificare game #cant trust myself to do long-form projects anymore it's just indulgent game jams with features that i thought were cool to develop and #then immediately let them take a nosedive when i start rushing 24h before the deadline #ill post a dev log and the full res of the art here later im fairly proud of them tbh #considering ive spent like . forever away from art and game writing for ages #anyway. enjoy 8k of my beloved fucked up gays LOL

[superrainbow06]

I BEAT IN STARS AND TIME YEATERDAY IT WAS SO GOOD!!

I didn't post about it cause I was overwhelmed. Very emotionally heavy story. Also I forgor. But it's very good, I think that anyone who wouldn't have a panic attack and or die because of the content should play it (PLEASE check content warnings on games before you play them, especially this one, so you don't have a panic attack and or die. Or if it just makes you uncomfortable its also cool to want to avoid it but I like being dramatic sometimes)

This is genuinely the best take on a time loop I have ever seen in any media ever. And the writing is incredibly good also, everything in it is so carefully constructed that it all feels very real and realistic, the characters actually feel like real people who are having conversations, the dialogue flows super smoothly and is very coherent, the overarching story is very good, and the worldbuilding, though not incredibly present in the actual game, the hints you get throughout the game of how the world works is soo good, really puts you in the place of the character.

Also, for any depression havers out there, this game is very much centered on how a time loop would affect a person's mental health if it were to happen, and it DOES NOT HOLD BACK. It gets into all of the stuff normally presented in a game with depression as a theme (celeste, chicory, etc) but also goes in depth about the stuff people don't like to talk about with depression (so, again, check the warnings on the game before playing if you are interested) which I really appreciated. This game really manages to make you feel absolutely terrible in the best way possible. I am going to force everyone I know and love to play this game

Also please go check out @insertdisc5 they made this whole masterpiece of a game (excluding the music and sfx, but it's still extremely impressive) and I think it should be more popular.

#in stars and time #isat #sorry this is SO MUCH text #im just hyperfixating rn #I WILL hold my family and friends hostage until they play this #unless they're uncomfy #hoping this game becomes more popular #this game deserves popularity its so well made #and its made by one person!! #except for the music #we support game devs here #which also includes me #if youre still reading these #go check out the dev #insertdisc5 #they have a tumblr and are cool #also i say the game is a masterpiece #which it is #but imo nothing can be perfect #the game has its flaws #still a masterpiece though #i hope this game gets more content for it #from the dev or from fan content or whatever #also need more content creators here. i want to watch like 7 playthroughs of this game #i want to put all of the characters of this game into a salad spinner #and also the whole game

[superbellsubways]

do you think nintendo forgor about rhythm heaven

#obviously the warioware devs haven't along with tsunku himself (who asked fans if they wanted a new game) #im still trying to hold onto hope for a new game as much as i can im coughing dying over here i need Content #Acknowledgement #something #ANYTHING?

[pinacoladamatata]

"if you fancy Astarion, you might want to consider therapy. He's so damaged I must have him! Enjoy the fantasy and then call a therapist. It's a two step thing and it's very important you do both." - Amelia Tyler what do your narrator eyes see? 😂😂😂

#ohohooooohoo the little random tidbits devs and voice actors have dropped about his companion arc is making me NERVOUS #just throwin out some meta thoughts here #in order for astarion to *get rid of* the tadpole; cazador *has* to die first. like i'll bet my left tit this is conditional #since cazzy is apparently a control freak he might be enemies w the mindflayers/absolute cult bc ''bleh bleh my city'' #i think its entirely possible that we could ally w cazador against the absolute; this would like have to result in astarion attacking tav #im just worried it might be like; you have to at least temporarily side w the absolute if you kill cazzy? #idk! idk! #and like i do think there will probably be a 3rd option of like 'i hate both these groups kill them both' but man. #and then there's whatever is going on w his ''this soul is not for sale except in the realm of the undead'' stamp #like are we gonna have to go the there? wherever the fuck that is? #pls amelia i am begging on my knees i need a sign! of hope! #bc now the hug and hand holding in the trailer is making me think larian is trying to trick me into believing he'll be okay #only to hit me with a devastating ending(s) no matter what #idk. man. i read astarion's writer was fanes writer. idk dos2 but like i am aware of what......happened w that 'romance' #pls i need a sign larian #i am so sick of the bioware style romances! the morrigans! the solases ! the unresolved endings of it all! ENOUGH #i want closure from this i am begging #for once in my life i just want closure for a video game romance ending #i JUST THINK LIKE ideally. for me. he'd have at least 1 ending where he's not cured but lives happily ever after* #i am having a hard time picturing him cured of vampirism. tbh. but if it's possible without him immediately dying then. well hats off #its 2 AM here i need to knock it tf off and go to bed #........unless.....yall want to enable me and discuss this further #i am 1 more bad day away from writing a thesis on this in MLA format istg

[insectoidvania]

APICO 4.0 will be out May 20!!!

This will be APICO's last major update I believe! Big fan of this peaceful beekeeping game so do check it out if something like this is your thing!

As a special bonus for the last update, you're able to see what's coming up in the update on the 4.0.0 patch notes page on the official wiki!

EDIT: Not sure if this was just me, but you may have issues seeing the 4.0.0 patch notes if you're on mobile! You might have to enable desktop mode (if possible on your mobile browser) or view on an actual desktop to see the patch notes!

#apico #not sure if an official post will be made by ell (one of the tngineer folks/devs) on here #so ive made one myself hehehoo #i love this game so im pretty excited for it! #its time for me to 100% this game a 4th time #insectoidvania talks

[wraithsoutlaws]

you know i had a fun little vp idea i wanted to do for the cyberpunk anniversary but i haven't had the energy to even touch it recently so i'll just settle with saying that this game impacted me in ways i never thought it would when i first picked it up 3 years ago. i knew i would enjoy it, i had been looking forward to it for a long time, and despite a ~controversial~ launch, i had a fucking blast from day 1 (on ps4 no less). regardless of bugs and memes and public dunking, the story grabbed me like nothing else could at the time, and it reignited so much of my passion and motivation for art that i had lost in the clutches of mental illness and i'll always be grateful for that. it introduced me to so many wonderful people (some whom i carry very close to my heart), and maybe most personally surprising, it gave me an outlet to understand parts of myself that i had been too afraid to acknowledge for a long time, the courage to accept and embrace myself as non-binary, and allow myself to just BE without trying to convince myself i'm crazy. that's not what i expected from the get-go but it's been a really fun journey to be on ngl

#yeah this fandom been a little rocky in places but i would be lying if i said this community here wasn't special to me #so much love and passion and creativity to be around and be inspired by #so many people who have been impacted by this silly little heartwrenching game #devs who have poured their heart into it to deliver something genuinely incredible #its one of those strange things that really did fully change the trajectory of this little leg of my life #to think that until 3 years ago i hadn't even touched art in a decade #now there are lovely people who want to spend money on my work #3 years ago i bought my first (and only) refurbished ps4 to play this game and now im sitting on a fancy gaming laptop #ive said it before but vp has been such an important creative outlet too #its allowed me to live my dreams of being a film director. a cinematographer. a writer. #the whole game has let me be so damn self-indulgent sometimes i feel like a kid again just unashamedly playing barbie #finding the JOY of just. creating. #i learned so much about myself through an OC because of this game #it went from 'huh what is this feeling? gender envy?' to being like full blown 'oh yea. i get it now.' so much of my life makes sense kfslf #and i met people who mean the world to me on top of it all #woof anyways #i know i say it a lot but genuinely thank u to yall who have encouraged me and supported me and who enjoy the things that i make #youve made such a difference in my life without knowing it!

[iraprince]

OKAY..... finally made enough progress on R♡R for another round of playtests....! we're reaching the end (of writing. which would mean time to start on editing. and then a mountain of art)

still v much chewing on, like, "win state"... i have a fluffy/nebulous option that's like, narratively+emotionally v satisfying but in practice potentially impossible/frustrating, or a point-based option thats much more functional/more of a sure thing but might be kind of a betrayal of some of the stuff im trying to evoke...

okay maybe "betrayal" is a strong word. not gelling, more like. trying to hit that sweet spot in the middle where something is emotional and evocative and freeform (enough) but also like, actually mechanically replicable lmao

#anyway very excited. i would really like this thing to be done #i've said this a lot (at least on twitter idk abt here) but like. #the fact that this thing is fighting me so hard is honestly exciting for me? my other games have been like... not that i haven't had to- #-work hard on them but like. they came together Quickly in terms of the actual writing/ideas/etc. vs this one i've gotten stuck multiple Xs #WHICH excites me bc i feel like im growing as a dev -- i think it's a game that will seem pretty simple in the grand scheme of things but-- #--it's a big deal for me. and i feel like the fact that i've had to wrestle w it this much makes me feel like it's really good #but then there's also the fear of like. what if it simply is not lol and then all this work was -- well #not for NOTHING bc i'm enjoying it and *i* will like the game at the end of the day no matter what. but ykwim

[hassianlovebot]

about reth's hairstyle, it's not locs guys alhdg it's a somewhat fantasy-esque hairstyle where his straight hair is long but twisted back and tied to keep it in place. we don't see it in the official art, but his in game model has multiple hair ties throughout the length of the pieces to keep his hair in that style. this hairstyle is doable in real life if you use that many ties

obviously these models don't show every single strand of hair but the official art backs up the fact that it's straight (note the individual strands that are loose)

you can see here that it's straight hair just twisted into individual pieces. you can also see in both the model and art that the end of his hair goes straight down and has clear separated strands. it wouldn't do this if his hair was locd (you'll notice that sifuu and hassian have blunt, round ends to their locs)

his in game model does have some pieces that don't have any ties so it's possible that those are locs but honestly, i doubt it. i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it has more to do with the hair being in the back and not needing as much detail. or the devs didn't want clipping issues since the back pieces are grouped so close together and his ties come up quite a bit. either way, his hair is most likely straight and just in weird ponytails basically. and if it is meant to be locs, then they're modeled badly aldhg especially in comparison to hassian and sifuu

#his modeled hair also doesnt have a texture to it unlike hassian and sifuu #and by texture i mean you can see that their hair is likely in the type 4 range and definitely not straight #personally i think they wanted to give reth longer hair but needed to come up with a style that would keep it out of the way #hence twisted back in weird ponytails #reth #there are also some player hairstyles that are locd and again you can see clear texture and zero straight hair strands #its just like. when you compare reth's hair to the player options and npcs that Definitely have locs there's a noticeable difference #if the devs wanted him to have locs then they modeled it badly #and im not trying to be mean here #if his hair is meant to be locd but originally straight it still wouldnt look the way it does in game #it definitely Looks straight but twisted back in large sections and tied together #which isnt what locd hair looks like.. and the devs clearly know that because the actual locd hairstyles in the game look fine #anyway i just wanted to give my two cents aldhg

[paimt]

HOKAY SO

Murderhouse Makeover: Decorate houses and hide evidence for wealthy clients!

You play Taylor, a fresh-faced interior designer looking to break into the field. Luckily, a high-end real estate company takes interest in your portfolio! Less luckily, this company specializes in houses owned by murderers. Rich murderers.

At least the pay is good..?

(Taylor’s the purple one)

Keep your clients happy by using their favourite styles of furniture, following any special requests they have, and staying within budget. And, of course, making sure no one finds the evidence.

Paul is your new boss. He finds your clients and signs your paychecks. He does most (all) of the talking, gives hints if you're stuck, but otherwise leaves the dirty work to you.

What would you do for your dream job? If the answer is "anything short of killing a guy myself", this is (will be) the game for you!

(shoutout @bedruil for giving me half a chance to ramble lol)

#long post #game development #game dev #game design #Murderhouse Makeover #eeheehehehoohoo ive been impossible to shut up about this in the gc #its all still very rough art wise and also programming wise and also everything else wise #but its coming along and im really proud of what i have so far #sorry this turned into a Whole Thing i got excited #oc stuff #if you want an actual timeline on this im really hoping for a playable demo by halloween #but. uhh. we'll see #id call this a pre pre alpha #nothing here is really final but i dont think theres gonna be any hige changes visuals wise #outside of shaders i havent even TOUCHED shaders yet but im thinking cel shaded to keep it cartoony

[termagax]

seeing some people's reaction to weird gamer men oversexualizing kiriko is "mauga is right there, half naked, with serveral pin-up sprays" and while i do agree to an extent, i do feel like alot of people are kind of ignoring like. the racial element of mauga's sexualization, like i like mauga, he's hot, but the second i saw him in the short story, i wasn't a big fan of the whole "big savage brown indigenious guy" and it feels like very few people are pointing that out.

RIGHT LIKE. we cannot fix "gamer men fixate on fictional asian girls to a violent degree, usually in a racist way or enabling racist tropes already present in the character" with "gamer girls fixate on fictional brown men to a violent degree in a racist way or enabling racist tropes present in the character" like you guys are part of the same problemmmmmmm youre doing the same thinggg its not better because youre doing it to men like.

i think some people only want to see the kiriko problem as misogyny and while im not going to even pretend that ISNT a massive part of it, theres still like. a reason kiriko and d.va and mei are fascinations for these dudes. there is a pointed difference between the way these three get spoken about compared to their white counterparts (and their dark-skinned counterparts too - look at the responses to illari for a really easy comparison to how kiriko is treated). their ~exoticism~ as asian women is part of the appeal. even if you dont just wanna take the way dudes online treat them (like making a joke that shes "obvious pornbait" for speaking japanese and using JSL) as evidence of that, look at their marketing. kirikos whole thing is atheleisure traditional, shes got her Mystical Japanese Spiritualism Ninja Powers and her magic doggy and they constantly put her in japanese and korean fashion, and dva has been constantly crossing over with korean merch companies. i cant help but notice theres no brazilian IP crossovers or merch launches for lucio, or any attempt to Sell Peru To Gamers for illari. they couldnt even pick a town in Samoa to name maugas map after. these people wouldn't buy that stuff because it's not fetishized in the same way asia is.

but like. a lot of the people trying to Gotcha these racist dudes with an asian fetish just whip out their favourite racist tropes instead and its a really bad look. like you guys dont wanna examine how your examples of The Characters Its Okay To Hypersexualize are all brown? even the people who wanna fuck cassidy dont talk about him like this. or like. fuck if you want a good comparison for mauga lets look at roadhog. big half-naked tank who theyve been playing up a sexual energy/comic relief duology on since day one with racially insensitive cosmetic options. nobody treats it like its completely normal to talk about him that way. the dev team isnt pushing pinups of him out. he isnt flexing his boobs in trailers. hes a white dude*, so he gets the bare minimum dignity of being treated normally. incidentially hot, maybe, but for the most part his character is sold on being cool , funny and scary. mauga is being sold 50% on being a Sexy Rogue Love Interest and 50% on. releasing late. they put in so little effort for him to be anything else despite hyping him up as suuuper significant to the lore and a major gamechanger its almost embarrassing to watch. (this is why that short annoyed me so much for anyone keeping track).

#*im awareeeee theyre doing bait with him and i refuse to acknowledge it until they put it in the fucking game #im not settling for those scraps especially as the game triples down on its anti-indigenous aesthetics and lore and everything #if you genuinely want to argue with me that roadhog counts as maori representation youre gonna have to take me to court over it idgaf #anyways. we jest here about my sexy wife but i think its worth pointing out now that mauga is here #and how mauga has been treated by devs and fans. that there is a tangible difference between the two #roadhog is niche hot and they barely if ever play into it its just kind of a side effect of the kind of character he is #if anything they try to make him grosser and less appealing most of the time #meanwhile mauga has pinups in game and in press material and is being sold as Sexy #in conjunction with a lot of unfortunate fucking circumstances that combine to feel extremely anti-indigenous #also illari as a comparison to kiriko bcz theyre a similar age bracket w similar builds and have a superficially similar gimmick #but kiriko is 9000 gamer boys favourite sex object while illari gets boredom at best or rage at worst #like. neither option is GOOD but its definetly DIFFERENT how theyre treated

[glamfellens]

seeing how often ppl pester josh sawyer about whether or not a new fallout game or a second new vegas is in development gives me the worst second hand embarrassment. shut the fuck up !!!! learn how to behave online!! leave the man alone

#theres just a weird. crossing the line because hes active on social media a lot #what makes an individual think they are special enough that this game dev is gonna be like. you know what since u asked i will tell you #its soooo weird #also im not putting myself on the same level here or saying this is how he feels but man #as an artist i would be so annoyed if all people wanted to talk to me about was stuff i made 13 years ago

[red-moon-at-night]

"Capri where have you been????"

LIVING MY DREAM LIFE WITH MY DREAM WIFE THANK YOU VERY MUCH

finally living my lesbian farmer life to the fullest and I couldn't be happier tbh

#capri talks #story of seasons a wonderful life #MUFFY... I finally did it. my gay childhood crush... she is HERE (i know her name is now molly but shhhh it's fine) #I bought this game like a week ago and I can't put it down... so so happy to be able to play the remake of a game I've always wanted to try #AND now we can be queer canonically. devs thank you for being the coolest im so pleased uAHFHGJG #forgotten valley is a very fruity place (it already was and now its even fruiter mwah 💜) #I'm trying to steer my kid towards being an academic bc muffy wished for it and now I'm out here trying to make my jock of a daughter-- #--who literally runs everywhere on her own all day into some intellectual brainy little einstein. wish me luck ITS NOT BEEN EASY #anyway hi all i'm doing well right now and i hope you've all been doing good too TwT seasons greetings!! happy holidays!! 💜 #I will respond to messages and things once I muster up the spoons and energy (it's been a busy few months omg I'm knackered)

[bluffmotel]

while only a minority share this view, i do find it somewhat tone deaf when people claim jay's ending is the best outcome for an abuse survivor -- either directly or indirectly implying everyone in the holt house was an abuser that jay, their sole little victim, had to get away from. for starters, none of his endings are happy ones. not even the fugitive path where he's holed up amongst nature, has a dog, and is bathed in solitude. maybe if you close your ears to what jay's saying during that scene you could see this as good for him, but his dialogue is stifled with an achingly loneliness, a sadness. this idea that he craved being alone in the wilderness is not one jay paints himself, it's only something that's said by tyler ; someone who clearly doesn't understand the younger on any level, much less grasps his desires. yes, jay wanted out, he likes nature, though no human can stew in their own space for years without this affecting them mentally. and that's not even taking into account that his entire life is over! he can't travel, he can't visit other countries or get lost in other areas of wood lands or plains, jay is infinitely stuck where he is. it's not a prison cell but it's a cage nonetheless, as the old saying goes : a golden cage is still a cage, after all. he tells zoe these beautiful sights have grown dull on him, laments about missing his family, vanessa, and is so chained by his want for connection he reaches out to a desert dream victim of all people. like, what about this muted cynicism, this barren home, seems happy? maybe he wanted this, some whimsical dream of this, before. now though? it's not what jay thought it'd be, and he lacks any power to change it. this is not some amazing ending for abuse survivors, it's still sad in a melancholy way, simply because jay is visibly unhappy with said circumstances.

but moving on to this, ah, ‘poor little victim in a lion's den’ narrative ... what? i think a lot of people fail to grasp how complex the holt household is in terms of toxicity and abuse. something that's very common nowadays due to how much people project rather than see what's in front of them. and don't get me wrong! projection is fine, you do you, we all consume and parse through media differently -- but this narrative is, by canon evidence, rather fictional. to be completely blunt, jay is not the only victim stuck in the holt house ?? the abusers have always been bear ( physical abuse, verbal degradation ) and sharon ( passive in the face of her kids' abuse, emotional manipulation ) ... and we are literally told point blank by the story itself and another character that these two favored jay immensely compared to their other children. now i'm obviously not saying that he has not faced trauma, he has! favoritism in a house like this does not shield you from the toxicity, sometimes that favor makes things worse, but he was protected to an extent, in ways tyler and dale were not. those two very clearly faced the brunt of bear's physical abuse ; for each other, for jay, and just overall caught their dad's ire more because they stood up to him. tyler takes a beating, a sight that's not at all new by his grim acceptance of this and the fact he states he's been doing this since young :

so, this is normal for tyler. getting beaten by his dad ( which isn't even mentioning the horror story bear can tell to ash, about how he literally threatened to cut tyler's ear or finger off ) and having his mom overall turn a blind eye to it, even going as far as to dismiss this fighting as childish behavior rather than what it is. and dale? we don't see much of him and bear in general, yet the second he steps up to defend tyler, with something as measly as a shove back, bear wastes zero time in hitting him so hard he's practically out of commission for the rest of the fight. he didn't even think about it, merely swung at dale as hard as possible on instinct alone before tyler hastily stepped up to defend him. what happens when jay tries stopping the fight, though?

both parties grab for him so they can toss him out of the way so he doesn't possibly get hurt. you can speculate bear was only doing this in order to finish his punishment on tyler, he'd deal with jay later whatever, although why not punch him like dale? why, out of all the moves on his belt, does he do the more merciful option? bear, who is nothing if not made of violence and has been molded to respect it? his fist that's raised in the air isn't for jay, since the next frame is jay shoved out of the way and him hitting tyler again ... hell, in dialogue where bear and jay are sitting on their porch, the youngest can even say bear beats on tyler and dale specifically. why not say “you beat on us”? like, the game is heavily implying that while jay is traumatized, there are some methods of abuse he simply did not face. one of them being the physical abuse prominent at home. and no, i'm not counting whatever pranks dale's pulled on jay ( like shooting him six times with a bb gun lmao ) because honestly? that's just older brother behavior, and we know that despite the morbid pranks, he still looked out for jay in the ways that counted. like protecting him from pa and to an extent tyler, something which, again, jay says himself!

back on topic a bit, the notion people seem to have of jay and his family seems overly simplified to me. people just looked at dale being his usual asshole self and went ‘abuser’, people looked at tyler's rather drastic and not usually like himself reactions to a high stress situation and went ‘abuser’, and that's a bit ridiculous to me. can't say i'm shocked! since so many people nowadays just see someone mean to their favorite character and decide woobifying said fave while demonizing their opposing force is exactly what canon intended. as dusk falls couldn't be a game more clear about it's main theme of family and the fact there's no purely good or bad people in this world, two statements that correspond directly to the holt family. are they bad for each other? probably! but that's a different discussion compared to, say, every single soul in that house violently abused poor jay and they should reap the consequences of that. dale and tyler, like their beloved younger brother, are also victims of abusive parents and a toxic home life. in turn, they both show signs of this abuse in ways that aren't entirely sympathetic or easy to swallow, especially when they've been dealing with it longer than jay and have never had their parents' favor the way he did. i see people get angry at tyler for the famous cabin scene, but nobody turns a critical eye to sharon ; who for all intents and purposes is watching this unfold without a care. she never physically stops tyler and her attempts to kill the fight are weak compared to her previously steely commands. and, honestly, the fact that tyler was that stressed about sharon getting on that bike so she can be protected, when she's the most capable out of the three of them, is way more strange than tyler's outburst -- when he's in a high stress situation, his baby brother's dead, and his life as he knows it is over. a life he didn't even have to begin with, since it was stolen due to his abusive upbringing.

whether this excuses what he did or not is entirely up to the player! i personally don't think it does, though i also understand where this is coming from and the game makes it clear this is not usual tyler behavior. throughout other people's views it's hammered into us that tyler has a cool head relatively, is the most sensible and smart out of his brothers. so, no, i do not think he was choking jay out all the time for his misplaced resentment -- i think his obvious disliking came from his stilted interactions with jay, and his lack of bond with him at all. we see in book one two times he reaches out to jay, demanding that he eats ( a minor, small thing to fret and worry about ) as well as panicking when he sees jay away from the rest of them during a shoot out. dale constantly looks out for jay as well, going as far as to take the heat from romero if they get caught and something as small as taking blame for jay's mistake in the barn scene. are his brothers more prone to violence and apathy? sure! yet they clearly love jay regardless. abusive households are not easy and see through. in fact in many cases the different levels of abuse the kids suffer does breed life altering resentment later on, envy that can damage these bonds permanently. honestly the holt family intrigues me deeply because of how well written they were as a unit, the effects of abuse and toxicity subtle and not overt in a ‘psa message’ kinda way. and these horrible relationships and ideals shared do not negate from the even more horrible fact that there is love in this messed up family, even bear clearly loves his sons, but that doesn't make it better. it almost makes it worse, seeing all the good intentions and care. knowing it doesn't excuse what they've done to each other nor does it make them better. they're a picture perfect family of an ugly wound! which is fascinating! i only wish more people saw that wonderfully shown depth rather than this bland and lukewarm take on the holts overall.

jay is a victim, he is traumatized, he deserved to one day spread his wings and put some distance between himself and his family ... but he was not the only one who deserved that ending, and he was not the only victim there. he was merely the only one with easy to parse trauma responses.

#as dusk falls #interior night #jay holt #dale holt #tyler holt #the holt family #meta post #ngl i'll make fancier tags eventually because i do not wanna clog the adf tag but this'll do #this was not supposed to be my first post yet i feel very strongly about this topic and the holts so um #here we go i guess! #cannot stress enough the literal dev of interior night has said the holts do want what's best for each other #they just have different ideas of what that best is! so it comes out wrong and warped and sometimes mean spirited #but they aren't just 2-bit abusers with signs on their heads saying : i hate jay and abuse him on the regular im a monster kill me #like do you know how much it wrecked me going through variations of the jay in prison scenes and seeing him say like #that tyler might even be happy out there as a fugitive. and that jay wants that for him? for tyler to be happy? #even jay himself comes into his wisdom which has always been there and acknowledges his love for his family #and the fact tyler and dale were miserable going on the way they were. just like he was! #the game centers around the holts and the walkers because they are two families that love each other and fumble the landing of it #jim lies to vince over something unforgivable. yet lying is all he knows. yet he did it out of a selfish love for his son #michelle cheats on vince which is awful and tries to paint it as something not important but she loves vince #is even willing to let him indulge in petty revenge ( which is missing the point ) so that they can stay together! #terrible things they're doing but it never takes away from the fact they love vince and zoe #a sentiment echoed by the holts! #idk like i know this take might get me killed but seeing morally gray games get the black and white treatment kills me #you are missing the true brilliance of adf's writing! you are missing some amazing characters! #also jay is not some unflawed creature. he literally can get so jealous over some girl that he isn't dating to the point of MAIMING a guy #he could've killed todd. he probably almost did! vanessa even says he might be more like his family than he thinks #and even if you don't choose this option it is still inside him. this paranoid jealousy and brutal violence #he can shoot vince or watch him die. he can let his dad die. he can bury someone alive. he can kill a cop and some poor ranger #dale and tyler and jay might be different characters and were shaped differently but they're still the same at their core