#i love thinking about pidw the originals are so interesting

[melancholycatastrophe]

PIDW Meme Shitposts

(but its mostly Original! Shen Qingqiu)

#i love thinking about pidw the originals are so interesting #scum villian self saving system #original shen qingqiu #yue qingyuan #liu qingge #luo bingge #ning yingying #ming fan #proud immortal demon way #pidw #shitpost

[scribescrawls]

One headcanon that I sometimes contemplate is that in the original PIDW the reason nyy never spoke up against the false accusations of sj having bad intentions towards her is because sj ordered her not to. And that he did this because he realized that even if she said anything there was a strong possibility the people around them wouldn’t fully believe nyy and dismiss her words as a young naïve girl who got taken advantage of. Sj could probably see where the chips were going to fall and as a strategist he’d know that the odds are against him and it’s likely nyy could get caught in the crossfire. If nyy spoke out, in doing so bingge would also potentially realize nyy might not be fully on his side blindly following him and if she knows differently about the truth of what actually happened and defends sj during the trial than there is a possibility bingge will just see nyy as a loose end and kill her like he plans to do with the rest of the sect, nyy marrying bingge and becoming his wife might have been less childhood love and more of a survival tactic in a shifting political landscape and I think about a headcanon where sj encouraged her to do that as a worst case scenario as long as it ensures she survives.

An alive wife might be better than a dead cultivator dying a horrible death for someone else's revenge, and I think it’s interesting if sj did that as his last act in protecting someone he saw like his own daughter ensuring she lives and told nyy to do whatever she had to do to survive in the future no matter how underhanded or who she had to throw under the bus to do it

#svsss #shen qingqiu #shen jiu #scum villian self saving system #ning yingying #og shen qingqiu #headcanon #pidw #pidw luo binghe

[mondsphere]

Luo Binghe: Original Drafts Edition! Who and why?

“[…] in fact, in his original outline, Bing-gē hadn’t even had a romance plotline; he had been doomed to fade away, alone and unaging forever.” — The Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System, Vol. 4 (Mo Xiang Tong Xiu)

The drafts version of Binghe! Not Bing-gē, nor Bing-mei, but a secret, third thing! (I’m partial to Bing-xióng (兄) myself, just for thematic cohesion. Bing-mei remains as he is: Shizun’s special glass-heart maiden.)

So! Who is this elusive, mythical Binghe we never got the chance to meet? What is he? How do I get to pick this one’s brains?

Why is he haunting me! What does he want! So much to think about.

Listen: I love my trash sons, both the racoon and wet dog variations, but I am curious about this handsome demon lord who did not bed thousands, and did not steal his shizun to lovingly coax him into a loving and respectful marriage. Alas, Airplane-bro, as is custom, has left me hanging.

The solitary quote above has been floating around my brainspace for months. Intermittently, I would look up at the sky and sigh a big sad dog sigh, and think of this lonely demon-man emperor who seems to be both perfectly representative of No-Shizunitis Suffering Binghe, and on the exact opposite end of the line. I have spent many a night trying to rearrange the blocks of both SVSSS and PIDW like a sad toddler with no plan but plenty of amorphous longing.

Thus, Bing-xiong. My beloved new toy.

We know he is left alone and unaging. This means that:

He does not marry even once. (Sorry, Other Bing Variants. This one came broken.)

He is not defeated, killed, or left to suffer his not-father’s fate of sulking under a mountain.

From 1) we can assume two more things! Xin Mo either gets fixed/doesn’t influence this Binghe the same way, or: Xin Mo is completely written off à la Airplane Retconning, making Binghe potentially even more individually powerful than his younger counterparts.

(Or he just. Takes people’s cultivation ad-infinitum. Interesting thought, but too straight-forward for my tastes. Airplane’s thoughts? Unknowable.)

From 2) we can also assume Binghe cannot die, is under the influence of the Protagonist Halo unto infinity, and will only be put out of his misery once the heat death of the universe deems it a worthwhile endeavour. Either that or the story ends, but. It tickles a miserable part of my brain pink to think Binghe will not be let off even then.

Anyway. Bing-xiong, of course, has the same source material to work off of. Up until the Abyss, and including it, the plotline should be if not the same, adjacent enough to be indistinguishable.

However. This means:

Bing-xiong never got coerced into sex by Qin Wanyue, thus not starting him on the path of sex-dependency/addiction, avoiding Bing-gē’s fate by virtue of the Butterfly Effect. (Read this post because it explains Bing-ge's whole thing better than a lot of things I've seen.)

Again, Xin Mo implications.

Alternate Universe Shenanigans make an appearance. (Shen Jiu’s fever and death was actually meant to happen, Bing-ge just got very, very unlucky and his Universe’s Yue Qingyuan very, very lucky. For a few years. Either that or there is a Shen Yuan for every Binghe! Again: sorry, Bing-ge. You need to find your own. Middle child issues…)

Once the drafts/original outline got lost, all bets are off and now the characters become real people, without narrative influence. This also has the very fucked up implication that Bing-ge is actually a result of exclusively external forces and would have never gone down that path if not forced onto it by Airplane’s unwitting hands. I do and do not love this version. Very Mo Ran-esque, if looked at from afar and squinting.

Other options I’m either too not-high to think, or too high to put together. (Cold medicine is insane?)

I am fascinated by this… Schrödinger’s Binghe. A jaded, lonely emperor left in the ashes of his world, gazing upon his own history and finding fucking nothing and no one. Metaphorically and, like, practically, if I’m understanding Airplane’s musings correctly. Isolated, cursed by his own blood in a completely new and fucked up way!

I need Airplane to speak with me for like, half an hour. This is paramount to my mental health, I’m losing my braincells by the hour.

What happened to this impervious, cocky, badass demon bastard lord to become so alone? How did it happen? Why did it not happen to the other two, or at least Bing-ge, who has had every horrible and shitty thing possible and impossible piled onto his head? What the fuck is up with Xin Mo? Why isn’t it eating away at Big Bro Luo? Or, worse: why is it eating away at him in such a way that instead of turning into a violent yet charismatic, horror-creature of a man, it turns him into the existential terror-fate I’ve contemplated and abhorred since I was seven?

Tianlang-jun as the final boss. Discovering Huan Hua Palace Master’s crimes, deceit and… stuff. Perhaps even uncovering Shen Jiu’s backstory.

Ooh! Worse! Or better? What if he finds out everything, after having followed Bing-gē’s path, and simply… gives up? A grown up Bing-ge, minus the marriage and surrogate-lover part(s).

(More unlikely than other options, but still there, I guess.)

Fucking insane of MXTX to do this to me, personally and specifically.

I can only speculate forever, I guess! Left… alone and pondering forever.

So. Not a Bing-ge, and not a Bing-mei. A Bing-xiong, if you will.

#svsss #luo binghe #svsss meta #if you like. want it to be #the fact that this is the first post on this blog is upsetting but also completely in-line with who i've become as a person #i'm sure someone else said it better than me asp #this is all to say i'm trying to plan a longfic with drafts!binghe as my one and only 2024 project #and it is eating away at me #because i understand and also NOT #the concept itself is so ???? #its insane that one single line of text from mxtx from almost a decade ago can do this to a person #lbh #lbx #hey why would i say this to me #huh.txt

[rarepears]

Nie Huaisang, Lan Xichen, Jin Guangyao, and Nie Mingjue all reincarnate together into PIDW, and become disciples around the same time as Luo Binghe.

The drama of this is of course enhanced by the facts that NMJ & JGY died "early," but NHS & LXC lived to the end of their natural lives as cultivators, and so some of their perspectives and opinions on events have naturally changed with age. (tfw the passage of time renders you unfamiliar to your once-loved ones)

Eventually they talk about their feelings and reconcile and such, and this ends up derailing the plot of PIDW severely as the rest of the PIDW characters confusedly observe quite possibly the weirdest disciples Cang Qiong's ever seen

NMJ on Bai Zhan, with no clue what's going on because he died first and NHS & LXC haven't told him anything

NHS on An Ding, thoroughly enjoying what's pretty much a vacation to him at this point and possibly running an interpeak illicit goods market (definitely not to distract himself from any of the emotions having NMJ & JGY alive and nearby would be causing him, Everything Is Fine) I haven't decided if he'd get involved with the whole og!SQH and MBJ situation tho

LXC on Qiong Ding, because I feel like he'd see himself in Yue Qingyuan and lowkey hate him for it and I think that could be interesting

JGY on Qing Jing, because he's the objectively the funniest/most interesting character to throw into the mess that is SJ and LBH. The way I imagine it, he's doing the most direct derailing of the plot, because he mostly accidentally gets right in the middle of the thing that is going on between those two

I feel like as I wrote this it became more serious than I originally intended so just know that I'm mentally picturing this like a fic that's interspersed with outsider POV of the 4 of them being completely deranged about eachother

(Also I'd feel bad taking away LXC's brother so LWJ and WWX + friends are busy doing hot girl shit being rogue cultivators. I think WWX should be a half demon so he gets to keep the cultivation and steal some of LBH's protagonist energy. If this was a fic then the rest of the Untamed gang would be perfect to use for side characters during off-peak missions)

*grabs popcorn and sits down to hear more*

Nie Huaisang is having too much fun waiting the two idiots called his shizun and shizun's poorly kept secret of a boyfriend go flailing around on these terribly unromantic dates BUT THE TWO WERE TRYING SO HARD that it was cute. He wonders if he should do something to help the poor idiots out... Should he?

Maybe he should...

(Watch Shang Qinghua and Mobei Jun suddenly have a number of sex pollen accidents over the next few months....)

Lan Xichen would be an old man and a good voice of reason for Yue Qingyuan. Although he's head disciple and a very good one at that (if only because his Big Brother instincts can't be held back and he MUST interfere to help prevent history repeating once more), Lan Xichen has made it very clear that he would never accept becoming sect leader.

Also don't forget Liu Mingyan in the background writing about a 4 person sex orgy. At least, that's her personal theory for why there's so much UNRESOLVED TENSION between these four sus male disciples. And also, because it's fun.

It's even funner when you consider that Nie Mingjue is out of the loop of Cang Qiong stuff even on Bai Zhan because he tags along on so many of Liu Qingge's missions that he's probably spending like 8 months of the year outside of the sect.

(Nie Huaisang gets "assigned" to missions that happen to take place near Nie Mingjue's hunts.)

Meng Yao is Meng Yao and he still craves the approval of Male Authority Figures That Could be his dad. Also Meng Yao still likes to climb up the social hierarchy and power. AKA Luo Binghe growing mushrooms in the corner at seeing ANOTHER QING JING disciple THE SAME AGE AS HIM being given SO MUCH ATTENTION AND APPROVAL by shizun.

Luo Binghe develops a complex over Meng Yao of course.

(Shen Jiu approves of Meng Yao because he understands these characters very well and know how to manipulate (cough kill or injury them physically or mentally) them easily. Plus Meng Yao is actually competent.)

[More in #Nie Huaisang Lan Xichen Meng Yao and Nie Mingjue reincarnate into PIDW and are Cang Qiong disciples at the same time as Luo Binghe is AU

#mdzs #mao dao zu shi #mxtx #the untamed #svsss #svsss au #svsss ideas #scum villain's self saving system #lan xichen #nie huaisang #nie mingjue #meng yao #Nie Huaisang Lan Xichen Meng Yao and Nie Mingjue reincarnate into PIDW and are Cang Qiong disciples at the same time as Luo Binghe is AU

[tossawary]

do you know if theres like, a scum villain wife list or something. Of all the wives mentioned in canon. I cannot find one and I need it for a thing I'm writing :(

Someone may have made a comprehensive blog post on absolutely everything to do with Luo Binghe's harem somewhere, but I haven't personally seen one. This is the wiki's list of his known wives:

https://scumvillain.fandom.com/wiki/Harem.

(I keep thinking to myself that it might be worth looking into a wiki contribution week or something so that SV fans can have these things for reference in full detail. The wiki in its current state is still very much under construction and also the particular company here "Fandom" suck generally. But I've never contributed to a wiki before, so I wouldn't know where to start.)

Part of the difficulty with naming all of Luo Binghe's wives in PIDW is that there are only rough estimates for how many he had exactly and it's unclear what statuses they actually had in the harem. And I believe that he also had love interests he never actually officially married in any way.

I'm going to list off wife / love-interest characters off the top of my head here in vague summary. I'm going to request that people add on or correct me here if I'm missing anyone or straight-up wrong about anything (relevant direct quotations are always welcome). I have digital editions of the novels now, so I may control+F for "wife", "wives", and "harem" after work, then copy-paste the relevant quotations into a big document, because I'm curious now and I want to see what results that I get from that. If someone has made and posted a comprehensive canonical list regarding the harem already, I'd appreciate the link.

Ning Yingying: wife and childhood sweetheart.

Liu Mingyan: wife.

Sha Hualing: wife.

Qin Wanrong and Qin Wanyue: I think that they were wives, twins, Luo Binghe's first threesome, and also were bullied by Sha Hualing a lot.

Little Palace Mistress: wife and I also vaguely remember some commentary from Shen Yuan about her being the "leader" of the harem in some way.

Qiu Haitang: wife.

The Three Taoist Nuns: wives, they had something to do with taming the Xin Mo sword in PIDW, and are Liu Mingyan's RPF buddies in SVSSS.

Madam Meiyin: it's stated in the succubus extras that she and Luo Binghe had an affair. I don't think that she ever married him, though.

Aaaaand that's everyone I remember. The known, named canonical list isn't actually very long, which is generally why everyone ends up inventing original characters. There are also unnamed canonical love interests, like the one afflicted by the Without A Cure poison in PIDW, but I really do not remember them all.

#townofcan #tossawary svsss #pidw luo binghe #ask tossawary #ning yingying #liu mingyan #sha hualing #xiao gongzhu #qin wanrong #qin wanyue #qiu haitang #madam meiyin #the three nuns

[veliseraptor]

Inspired by 'it's not love, it's obsession': what are your thoughts on the parallels between Luo Binghe and Xue Yang?

oooh this is a fascinating one.

One of my favorite things about looking at MXTX's books as a corpus of work taken together is the ways in which you can see her evolving as a writer. I don't necessarily mean stylistically (I don't feel like I can speak to that, since I can't read the original), or even necessarily narratively (though I do think TGCF is the strongest narratively, for all it's probably longer than it needs to be). What I really mean is how you can see her coming back to the same themes over and over and exploring them with variations and shades of difference. There are very clearly things that are MXTX Concerns, as it were, that she revisits and echoes and plays with in all of her works; questions about justice and the cycle of violence are one big one that I've thought a lot about personally.

And when you're looking at the three books together, there are places where you can draw throughlines - for instance, from Yi City > Black Water Arc, or from (arguably) Xiao Xingchen > Xie Lian. In light of the trivia that Yi City comes at least in part from an older, abandoned story MXTX worked on when she was younger (per an interview with her, I believe), I feel like you can draw the line from Xue Yang > Luo Binghe as far as some of the tropes being played with. Xue Yang is (in some ways) an echo of Luo Binghe is an echo of an older story that had a character who may or may not have been named Xue Yang.

In obvious ways Xue Yang takes a different position in the story he ends up in than Luo Binghe does in his (he ends up an antagonist), but while one could look at the Song Lan/Xue Yang/Xiao Xingchen trio and posit Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan as the intended pair of whatever original story they came from, that doesn't, in my eyes, fit with the other relationships MXTX chooses to write. Xue Yang lives at a nexus of a lot of the things MXTX pokes at with Luo Binghe and, yes, Wei Wuxian, but also (to a lesser degree) Hua Cheng - the legacy of childhood violence, the importance and weight of small kindnesses in changing a person, the probing at the idea of people as irredeemable or incapable of change (and finding it lacking).

He comes from a disadvantaged, marginalized background (as do the other two protagonists) and, despite perpetrating atrocious acts of violence (Wei Wuxian actually, Luo Binghe less so in SVSSS canon but explicitly so in PIDW, which is the way Shen Qingqiu relates to him initially), kind treatment from a single person having a deep impact on their behavior. There's also the quality of deep, obsessive devotion, notably beyond death, that Xue Yang shares with Luo Binghe, Lan Wangji, and Hua Cheng (portrayed in the latter two cases as clearly and explicitly romantic and to be valued). Xue Yang doesn't occupy a protagonist role in MDZS (obviously), but he has some of those thematic qualities that tend to pop up in MXTX protagonists and/or love interests.

(Hua Cheng might stand out here, and he is different, certainly, but I would point to the very, very early identification of him as inherently ill-fortuned and bad to be around. Xue Yang has TGCF echoes, I'd say, to a lesser extent in Hua Cheng than in Jun Wu, but I don't think the echoes are absent from Hua Cheng, either.).

This positions Xue Yang, potentially, as (if we're using a crude metaphor) a little bit the Luo Binghe to Xiao Xingchen's Shen Qingqiu, with Song Lan potentially occupying more of a Yue Qingyuan place (but of course that's just speculation and we'll probably never know).

This is a lot of tl;dr but I guess the main thing I'm thinking about here is that while it's I think shallow to describe Xue Yang as a proto-Luo Binghe (or rather, ur-Xue Yang from that older story as), I think it's fair to see that relationship between the two characters as part and parcel of MXTX's revisiting, revising, and reconsidering the same themes over and over again in her work - in the same way, I think, that within the same story Wei Wuxian's parallels with both Xue Yang illustrate that same impulse. (And not, to be clear, as a simple "this one good, this one bad" morality tale; what MXTX is doing with her parallels is, I daresay, more interesting than that.)

anyway, there you have it. I feel like this went maybe a little left of what you were asking (maybe you wanted me to talk about the actual parallels in terms of character?) but this is a sub-category of that subject I personally find very fun to think about.

#conversating #glacia main #good lord there are so many parentheses in this post #lise does meta #dysfunctional gods and ghost kinks #the sad queer cultivators show #i don't have a custom svsss tag whoops #svsss #xue yang #luo binghe

[teufelsabbiss]

Story-idea: Yue Qingyuan turns into a demon

Tianlang-Jun/Yue Qingyuan

Variation on the idea that humans can turn into demons when their heart demons get too strong.

A while after Shen Qingqiu and Luo Binghe married, Shen Qingqiu visits the sect again. Unfortunately, right at this time either someone brought back an artifact from a mission that reveals the original Shen Qingqiu was replaced by another soul or a seer is present who spills the information. This is obviously not good. After more questioning of either artifact or seer, the other peak-lords learn that Shen Yuan was unwittingly and unwillingly forced to live Shen Qingqiu's life.

And Yue Qingyuan finally breaks.

He's not angry at Shen Yuan, since he neither planned nor wanted this to happen and did a lot of good. But the sadness and despair Yue Qingyuan feels knowing Shen Jiu is gone and actually hated him to the end is too much. He already suffered through several traumatic, heartbreaking events and this time he stops trying to get a hold of himself. Despite the efforts of his fellow peak lords, his heart demons overwhelm him and he turns into a powerful demon. Even Xuan Su twists into a terrifying new shape.

Shen Yuan is convinced this means Yue Qingyuan will go on to attack and inflict horrible revenge fueled violence worthy of the PIDW protagonist on him and so obviously tries to bolt. He's not getting far, though. Big misunderstandings ensue yet again, because Yue Qingyuan very much demands his blood. But to Shen Yuan's eventual utter bafflement and relieve, Yue Qingyuan has no intention of killing or maiming him. He just wants a blood sample so that he can search for Shen Jiu's soul. Shen Yuan urges him that, if he does find the original goods, he absolutely has to explain to Shen Jiu why he couldn't save him from the Qiu's, because he's sure this would fix things between them.

Against everyone's protests, Yue Qingyuan declares he resigns his position in Cang Qiong. Then he leaves to find Shen Jiu.

His search leads him into the demon realm, where he by chance meets Tianlang-Jun, who is as nosy curious as usual. After hearing what happened, he offers to help. After all, this is highly interesting and, while Yue Qingyuan is truly strong, he knows next to nothing about the demon realm. They get along surprisingly well.

It doesn't take too long to find Shen Jiu. He reincarnated as a demon. (Depending on how long reincarnating takes and how much time has passed between the story events and now, I think he could be around 10 years at most.) Shen Jiu is yet again alone and struggling to survive. He does remember his past life, which helped him quite a bit, but his situation is still rather bad. Seeing Yue Qingyuan in demon form is a great shock to him.

Shen Yuan was right, though, knowing what really happened is mending things between them. It's a very tearful reunion. Yue Qingyuan finally has his little brother back.

Tianlang-Jun is happy to be around them. Two former humans with ample knowledge of human customs and art, now perfectly fine living in the demon realm where no one will dare oppose them having contact - what's not to love about this?

Tianlang-Jun and Yue Qingyuan get together after a while. Tianlang-Jun is not exactly a capable adoptive father. Good thing that Yue Qingyuan has that covered all the better and Shen Jiu doesn't really need it from anyone else anyway.

(Maybe they also find a demonic equivalent to the Sun-and-Moon-Dew-mushroom or another MacGuffin, so that Tianlang-Jun eventually doesn't have a problem with his demonic qi deteriorating his body if he isn't careful anymore.)

Imagine Shen Yuan accidentally stumbling over them after a few years and learning they are a weird, happy little family now. That reaction could be hilarious.

#svsss #story idea #writing prompt #yue qingyuan #tianlang jun #is there even an agreed on shipname for these two? #TianYue #lets go with that for now

[cooliogirl101]

so since you're in your SVSS era is it a good time to ask about what Hisana and/or Sayuri would be doing in the SVSS world or... because I still think about your OCs all the time I love them so much (also impressed you made Violet a character I would actually super like, lol)

(Doing this with PIDW instead of SVSSS because I think 2 transmigrators is enough without throwing in a third lol).

For Sayuri, I think it’d be fun to throw her in with a tiny feral Shen Jiu somewhere. Maybe even as Qiu Haitang— I think either as Lily or Sayuri, she’d take one look at the situation, arrive to the correct conclusion about what was going on in about 10 seconds, and be like “well time to plan a murder :)”

Hisana I think would be fun to have as like Mu Qingfang’s head disciple or something. I think her relationship with SJ would be really interesting to explore, because she’d take one look at him and be like “well here’s a guy who’s been traumatized every day of his life and is clearly lashing out about it.” She’s really not the type to allow herself to be pushed away either so I think she might actually get through some of his walls. Also, she would absolutely not condone any abuse of children— over half her time is spent on annoying both SQQ and LQG into being nice to their disciples. Social hierarchy and respect to seniors? Never heard of it. YQY is too ecstatic that SJ has someone so invested in his health (who he actually begrudgingly respects and listens to) to care about some casual flaunting of social norms here or there.

Alternatively, it’d be kind of hilarious for her to transmigrate into someone who was originally written to be LBH’s 361st wife or something. Only when he comes to seduce her, in classic Hisana fashion, she manages to misinterpret literally everything he does. He proposes to her; she misreads it as a job offer and politely declines. He takes her to his palace; she thinks it’s sweet he wants her to make more female friends (“Aww, he remembered when I said working as a traveling healer can get lonely at times, so considerate of him 🥹”). Even the normal sex tropes don’t work— the first time they come across sex pollen, she chucks her homemade equivalent of an N95 mask at his face (“Not to worry, I always carry extras!”). It’s this way that LBH comes to make his very first entirely-platonic friend.

I’m glad to hear you liked my revamped Fourth Wing snippets! Kinda tempted to rewrite the whole book lol just because I actually really like the version of Violet I made.

[alittlelessalone]

While working on a fanfic, I started thinking about the similarities between Mobei-Jun and Shen Jiu.

Both of them were a lot more open and willing to connect with others when they were a kid

Then through a combination of suffering and (perceived or not) betrayal, they closed up

They both keep their expressions typically hidden and closed away, but if they break form, it’s almost always with anger

They both are in positions of power and are quick to mistreat those under them (although the mistreatment might be sort of standard in the demon world and not viewed as a problem)

They’re both quick to violence

They are both hurt the person they love most

There are obviously lots of differences too and certainly their endings (in both PIDW and SVSSS) are very different, but it’s just interesting to see the similarities.

I’ve already talked in previous posts about Binghe being a bit of a self insert for Airplane (at least at first), but it’s really interesting how the complex, tragic villain Airplane wrote and the man he created as his ideal man are so similar. Just want does this say about him or the story he originally wanted to tell?

#mobei jun #shen jiu #shang quinghua #svsss #moshang #qijiu #it’s just really interesting to think about #especially in my fic where sj and mbj actually know each other through sqh and can see the similarities #I can’t wait until I’ve written enough to start posting my fic!

[veilchenjaeger]

considering each of the mxtx main pairings, which do you think would be most fun as a f/f ship, and please also talk about why (and what, if anything, changes about the dynamics)

Excellent question that I'm not yet fully qualified to answer bc I still haven't read the entirety of TGCF - but I'm pretty sure that my opinion on this won't change even once I have. I just think that the objectively correct answer here is Bingqiu.

I mean, from what I've gathered from the first 2.5 volumes of TGCF, F/F Hualian is like... partly canon anyways, due to the general gender stuff TGCF gods seem to have going on. And Wangxian would be interesting mostly due to the fact that the MDZS universe seems to be the most sexist one out of MXTX's universes, but I'm personally a little tired of Narratives About Historical Sexism. I'm absolutely deeply in love with fem!Xie Lian and Lan Wangji and I would let both fem!Hua Cheng and the Yiling Matriarch step on me, but the thing is.

Bingqiu.

BINGQIU. F/F Bingqiu fucks so hard! LIKE. OKAY. The thing about Scum Villain is that this story happens on approximately five different layers. You have the actual "reality" of what is happening in Scum Villain, including the emotions and experiences of the characters, but this "reality" is also shaped by the fact that it's a novel, and a particular genre of novel (a stallion novel at first and a danmei novel later on). There is a meta level built into the story. On top of that, you have the additional layer of the original PIDW plot, which again is driven by the conventions of its genre. These are all layers Shen Qingqiu is aware of! But there's ALSO the world Shen Yuan and Airplane are from, and their experiences in that world, including the tropes they know of and the internet they interact with, direct their actions in the world of PIDW as well as the way PIDW itself was written. And then there's obviously the actual meta level, the one that we and MXTX are on, where MXTX writes trope subversions and commentary on webnovel genres and internet culture that we as readers can pick up on. I love Scum Villain.

Anyways, all that means that if you change something as fundamental to the narrative as the gender of its main characters (bc gender dynamics are pretty damn important for a story that is in part about male power fantasies), you have to adjust every single one of those layers. Which I think is dope.

Luo Binghe has a lot of character traits, but on the first meta level, Luo Binghe is primarily the protagonist! So if Luo Binghe is a woman, PIDW can't be a stallion novel. What, then, is PIDW? I think there are a bunch of different options, and every single one creates a slightly different dynamic! Additionally, every single one creates a very slightly different Shen Yuan, AND - and this is vitally important to me - every single one creates different commentary on the second meta level. Subversion and commentary are such a huge part of what Scum Villain is (and what Bingqiu are) that I, at least, want that layer to stay intact in this AU.

I've talked about this before, I think, but I want to talk about it more. Scum Villain is in part about the effects male power fantasies have on men! If PIDW were a reverse harem novel targeted at straight women, for example, Scum Villain might be about the effects female power fantasies have on women! You'd have Luo Binghe, who can have everything she wants bc she's the protagonist, but whose life has to be centred around romances with various men. I'd love to read a deconstruction of the reverse harem genre, bc it's such an alienating type of story for me as a lesbian - like, this type of female power fantasy hinges on the protagonist being attractive and attracted to men; it's unimaginable to have a classic female power fantasy without a romance with a man! On the other hand, PIDW as an erotic novel targeted at men would create so much fun commentary on sapphic sexuality. That's probably my favourite version of F/F Bingqiu, so I'm picking that dynamic to talk about in-depth:

Shen Yuan, in this, hate-reads a bad porn novel where the badass female protagonist - her favourite - is objectified and over-sexualised on every second page and exists to be masturbation material for the primarily straight male audience. I imagine that she writes a lot of rants in the comment section about how sexist PIDW is and how Luo Binghe would be an exceptional female character if she weren't the protagonist of a porn novel.

Luo Binghe, protagonist of a porn novel, after the Abyss starts to utilise her looks and her sexuality to make her way to the top. In the Scum Villain setting, of course, she's however deeply in love with Shen Qingqiu, who unfortunately is the only person her seduction techniques don't work on – because Shen Qingqiu is horribly attracted to Luo Binghe, but can’t detach her perception of Luo Binghe as attractive from the objectifying descriptions she read in the original novel. She already brainwashed herself into believing that she was never affected by Luo Binghe in writing, just disgusted by the fanservice, and now she brainwashes herself even harder bc Luo Binghe is a real person she knows now and not a sex symbol to get off to. (Plus, she’s into the submissive pouty housewife act! That’s even worse! She’s not even close to admitting she’s into women at all, she has to brainwash her way out of that!)

Meanwhile, everyone wants Luo Binghe except for the one person Luo Binghe wants to want her! I imagine that would mess with her head, especially after Shen Qingqiu’s death. Her relationship with her own sexuality is also pretty messed up, because her experience with it is focused on making herself desirable to other people, not on her actual desires. Luo Binghe, who only knows how to perform for the male gaze and gets no satisfaction from that vs. Shen Qingqiu, who can’t deal with the fact that she feels sexual attraction to a woman written for the male gaze. I think that sounds suitably disastrous for Bingqiu, and I feel like these are also extremely common wlw experiences. Layers! I want them to kiss, and I want them to kiss on the meta level! (And I want Luo Binghe to become comfortable with being seductive for the person she actually desires, and Shen Qingqiu to admit that she wants Luo Binghe.)

Finally, I think that there's one aspect of Scum Villain that would work better if Bingqiu were women, and that's Airplane. Like, PIDW is bad because Airplane had to abandon every notion of writing a serious, good story in order to make enough money to eat. In the end, the changes Shen Qingqiu makes to the novel are much closer to the original outline and Shang Qinghua is pretty satisfied with them. But like, danmei is a popular genre. Internationally popular, by now! You can make money with danmei! I think that particular message would be a bit more poignant if PIDW ended up as a baihe - the kind of story you wouldn't tell if you wanted to make money.

#/thanks for enabling my lesbian bingqiu obsession #/it was really fucking difficult not to write an entire novel here #/tl;dr: the answer is BINGQIU A MILLION TIMES #[epistulae ad atticum] #girls night girls night girls night #genderbend #svsss

[labyrynth]

i just wanna say for the record that shang qinghua absolutely wrote fanfic of his own work and didn’t even try to hide it.

like the account he publishes it on is called like “airplane shooting towards the sky 2” and his author’s notes are always like

“DISCLAIMER: i actually do own pidw (© me all rights reserved etc whatever) but this isn’t canon i just thought it would be funny as shit lol”

or like

“i was originally writing this for pidw but things got a lot gayer than planned. i didn’t want bingge to feel left out so i scrapped it ♪(´ε｀ ) this isn’t technically canon, but please know in your hearts that wives #365 and #404 are in love (also no smut in this ch sorry)”

or

“ahhhhhh mbj really is just too cool but he never gets to shine as much as i want him to *sobs* forgive me my king it’s the only way to keep you safe from bingge’s wives (´；ω；`)”

or just

“i got tired of writing about vaginas. vagina vagina vagina. give a girl a dick for once.

this chapter is dedicated to user “BingTits”, who commented on chapter 874 about wanting to see bingge’s tits put to more use. i hope this lives up to your expectations.”

or like if his system ever let him have access to his accts again (i’m imagining it’s been like a year or two of complete silence irl after finishing pidw)

“um…..sorry ive been gone for so long lol some stuff happened. internet is kinda spotty tho so don’t expect to see me around much after this

so this one actually IS canon, but it isn’t about bingge (he’s actually not alive yet lol), so i didn’t think it really fit in the main story. but i thought some of you might be interested, and cucumber says i should, so i’m putting it here for free (free bc i like…don’t need money anymore lol)

anyway this one is about bingge’s parents. i’m not gonna bother with a spoiler alert bc obviously it doesn’t end well for them or luo binghe wouldn’t have ended up in the icy luo river. i haven’t retconned anything.

i have another one about shen qingqiu and yue qingyuan (kudos to those of you who picked up on their Whole Thing) but i don’t think y’all are ready for that. i might post if if enough people seem interested, though ƪ( ˊ̱˂˃ˋ̱ )ʃ

anyway enjoy”

#svsss #shang qinghua #scum villain #scum villain's self saving system #mxtx talk #svsss talk #or he would have if he had time anyway #he’s already cranking out like 10k words a day #man deserves some rest #sqh with internet access post canon? too powerful #he casually just drops entire books and leaves #casually mentions PEERLESS CUCUMBER in passing #doesn’t address it again #anyway

[whetstonefires]

hang on, is liu mingyan Like That (BL enthusiast and erotic rpf novelist) not purely for the joke, and the various gags it enables, but because she does in fact have to actually be the kind of person who would, under the right circumstances, perform all her appearances in PIDW? where she was our boy's favorite lbh love interest?

because if i think about it, she was a relatively prominent recurring character, so she's a lot more heavily bounded by her on-page behavior than people bingge didn't interact with much, or who he only saw in roughly the same context they turn up in during Scum Villain.

like, the whole shtick with the two binghes is one is a divergent timeline of the other, who is necessarily a complete disaster of a person with all the complexes and arrested development you need, to act like a blackened stallion protag acts.

svsss edition liu mingyan has to have the correct psychology to have played the (no doubt embarrassing af) role of original liu mingyan.

so, like. what i'm getting at here is that the whole time, through whatever godawful sex scenes airplane wrote her into, the underlying thread is that she was getting all her lines from schlocky porn.

that existed within the universe of the schlocky porn novel. and which she had read a lot of, which didn't come up there because it wasn't relevant to binghe's journey. recursive pornography. pornception. 😂

that's actually really tidy and clever while also being stupid as fuck, i love it.

#hoc est meum #svsss #scum villain #liu mingyan #meta #about the meta #characterization

[rarepears]

Part 1/7(brainrot!anon) so basically i saw "mdzs favourite ship and what it say about you" video, there is CSSR x YZY Ship and they say ”you like younger wangxian." . Accidentally start brainrot au where after PIWD, where SJ reincarnated as YZY and planning to fake his death after realising that he engaged with JFM(YQY 1.0), CSSR find out about SJ!YZY plan to fake his death and help him because damn,cultivation society sucked for woman. Along the way SJ!YZY slowly getting closer with CSSR.

Part 2/7JFM who actually in love with SJ!YZY realized that he need to step up his game before CSSR elope with his love ,[JFM misunderstanding the whole elope thing, but SJ platonic attraction did happen] so he send WCZ to distract CSSR while he romanced SJ!YZY because CSSR kept accidentally cockblock them repeatedly. Jfm finally won over Sj!Yzy [upgrade to Yqy 5.0] at cost of WCZ elope with CSSR . Rumor still happen in same way.

Part 3/7 But ironically in truth instead of Sj!YZY hating CSSR, it Jfm, for running away with his right man and almost turned his love into cutsleeve. CSSR and WCZ [alive because i say so] visit lotus pier occasionally. Jfm look amicable toward CSSR[Mentally, he will fight her to death if provided reason] ,

Part 4/7 Sj [happy and spoiled rotten by jfm] teach Jyl,Jc and Wwx(sibling in arms) what he learnt from previous life,( Sj will provide and protect his children with his life]

Part 5/7 Meanwhile, in PIWD, original luo binghe obsessed what he saw in SVSS and turned back time, to get kind shizun he want but Sj no longer exist in PIWD so he never find him,

Part 6/7 there is consequences for mixing three incompatible realms when Lbg turned back time, one realms can't return back to three.[ Abyss will take and never let go what it can hold]

Part 7/7 So human and demon race no longer exist, instead all PIDW cast get reborn as abyss creature(or humanoid) but retaining their memories. [Lbg accidentally nefted himself significantly because everyone has demon strength).

-o-o-o-o-o-o-

What would be interesting is that Shen Jiu is still a little too harsh, too mean, too demanding as a parent. He doesn't exactly have a healthy example to model after (and there isn't therapy either). And he's trying to be a good parent, he's cut out a lot of the harshness he had has a peak lord, but still his past flashes in his eyes and his mind can't help but whisper how his children are still so pathetic, so spoiled that they aren't properly taking advantage of all their opportunities laid out in front of them.

His words are bitter and cruel sometimes. His disappointment a sharp lashing against the kids. He hates seeing Wei Ying's brilliance not being full utilized because the boy wants to splash around in the water instead. He scorns Jiang Cheng's weak spine, bowing to social pressure because he wants to "fit in", his inability to hide his temper...

Sometimes when he sees the children, on his bad days when all he can think about are memories of his past life, all Shen Jiu can feel is disdain and loathing. As a streetrat, Shen Jiu would had murdered for such opportunities.

(Actually, he technically did that.)

And Jiang Fengmian is a little too in love with his wife that he doesn't do anything about it. He doesn't step in between Shen Jiu's sharp tongue and the children.

Shen Jiu must always be in the right, no? And even if he's not, Jiang Fengmian is sure it's not that big of a deal. No need to rock the boat and make his wife mad at him instead.

#svsss #mdzs ideas #mdsz #svsss au #scum villian self saving system #brainrot anon's shen jiu reincarnates as Yu Ziyuan au #shen jiu #shen qingqiu #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian

[tossawary]

Hey! You've mentioned female!SQH in passing a while ago and that concept has been living rent-free in my brain ever since. I'd love to read your thoughts on it if you have more/are interested in sharing. Hope you're having a nice trip! :)

Thank you! I don't have many concrete thoughts on Fem!SQH (or Fem!MBJ or F/F!Moshang for that matter) besides the fact that I would try my best to make it a hot fucking mess. I would probably write it as a cracky one shot and I would want Fem!SQH to cause constant secondhand embarrassment on multiple levels. Not that Airplane Bro as Fem!SQH would be especially oblivious, no, she knows what she's doing and it's hugging thighs, committing crimes, and making other sect leaders walk out of conferences asking themselves if women should really be allowed to cultivate.

I'm exaggerating a little, but also not really. Airplane Bro is wily and genre-savvy and an apathetic bastard, at the same time that he's a clingy idiot who needs to pay more attention to what he's saying, and I resent assumptions that a female character is automatically the one "carrying the braincell". I would want to write something outrageously funny in which Airplane Bro transmigrating into Fem!SQH causes some chaos and gives MBJ even more issues than MBJ already had.

(I'm talking about a Male Airplane Bro transmigrating into a Fem!SQH here because I think a Female Airplane Bro transmigrating into a Fem!SQH sounds a little too OC for me to write that, though a woman writing an incredibly successful stallion novel like PIDW is very fun to think about. Even Airplane Bro growing up as Fem!SQH would inherently shift his character at least slightly, but that would be a firmer base for me to start on and I'm growing more comfortable with the idea. There's lots of room to explore Airplane Bro's relationship to gender and women by having him transmigrate into a female character in his stallion novel world.)

As for the idea of a Fem!SQH in PIDW... the details all depend on what kind of story you want to write. Only changing SQH's gender inherently has very different vibes to doing a full genderbend on the entire cast of PIDW/SVSSS. In a full cast genderbend, I personally don't really see the plot beats of the original SQH changing much. In a SQH-only genderbend, things could stay the same still, but if you wanted to switch it up, I suppose that in PIDW, the premise could instead have been an ambitious Fem!SQH trying to (maybe successfully?) blackmail MBJ into marrying her, but also resenting the necessity of having to marry for power, especially to a demon, and so hating MBJ's guts. Which would be mutual.

Lots of potential themes for a Fem!SQH's storyline in PIDW about how power can be given and taken away, the pros and cons of the legal situation of marriage, the intersection of sex/gender and class, and all sorts of interesting things.

Okay, now that I'm thinking about it, I kind of like the concept of PIDW Fem!SQH blackmailing MBJ into marrying her or something and then PIDW MBJ later on murdering his own wife. That seems sufficiently dark for PIDW. It would also be a stark contrast for PIDW MBJ to be a murderous widower when Luo Bing-Ge has so many wives. Putting Airplane Bro into that particular Fem!SQH situation for the SVSSS version of those events has strong Bluebeard fairy tale vibes. But that's also probably a slightly more serious story than the cracky vibe I was originally envisioning.

Mmm, I don't have any specific thoughts besides that at the moment. It's all fun to think about, though. ❤

#rainhalydia #ask tossawary #tossawary svsss #fic ideas #shang qinghua #mobei jun #moshang #female shang qinghua #moshang bluebeard au #pidw mobei jun #pidw shang qinghua

[trickstarbrave]

i have a weird idea in my head thats like. only half formed so i prob wont write it and also doesnt seem that interesting. but its just balls to the wall shit in the form of qiu haitang also being replaced by a transmigrator but like. very early on.

she knows shen jiu will kill her whole family. shes just in the body of a child though and the system wacks her if she tries to get him kicked out or even thinks about having him thrown out. so she grits her teeth and puts up with him sitting in her room or staying close by her. 

until she notices things a typical child wouldnt. he is kept well groomed but usually his clothes are of lesser quality even tho hes supposed to be her fiance. sometimes his sleeves slip up and she’ll see bruises. he is unusually quiet, not the weird pervert the og sqq from pidw. he is quiet, nervous, his eyes get progressively more hopeless, and whenever her brother’s voice rings out in the house or her brother looks at him he stiffens up and looks ill. 

then she hears, while sneaking around, her brother beating him. and she realizes whats rly going on here. 

she ends up getting ooc freedom. she lets him hide in her room. she calls him more and more often. she gives him medicine for his bruises. she learns to hate her brother and the way he looks at her, hate the people who live there and think they can keep this from her. she talks to him, genuinely, trying hard not to poke at his abuse too much but give him an outlet. when he starts limping into her room she starts sobbing and shen jiu doesn’t even know why. shen jiu is no longer a villain who conspired against her and her family but an unwitting shackle to keep her there while they abuse him to the point of insanity. 

and then one night she can’t sleep. she lays there tossing and turning. she has a bad feeling. she cant sleep knowing shen jiu is probably being hurt. qiu haitang creeps out of her room, to her brother’s study, and hears him beating shen jiu senseless, and she just snaps. she bursts in, demanding answers. she cant take it holding her tongue anymore. her brother is getting aggressive now, telling her to mind her business and go back to playing pretend, to being a good daughter to their family. he makes a motion to hit her. shen jiu attacks him from behind, enraged and he hits so hard he’s barreling toward the wall. 

he barely has time to turn around before a heavy paperweight is in front of him and qiu haitang is bludgeoning him to death. system be damned, she cant fucking take this anymore!

she’s only stopped when shen jiu pulls her off him. he’s already long dead, blood coating her inner robes and the floor. his head is unrecognizable. something in her feels just as shattered as his skull. she’s killed a man. 

shen jiu tells her he is going to kill everyone in his manor. she tells him to let her pack her things; she has no intention on stopping him. her love of this place and this family died when she first heard her brother beating shen jiu. its more than dead now, rotting in her heart like a corpse knowing her brother was going to beat her too for stepping in. qiu haitang simply leaves him as the manor goes up in flames with the advice to not just the new teacher he is going to get and to go to cang qiong.

qiu haitang learns cultivation on her own for a bit. shes a wandering cultivator. she wonders how much she’ll fuck up the plot if she refuses to be luo binghe’s wife. she doesnt have it in her to go after shen jiu for the murder of her family; they deserved it. and she knew shen jiu would never hurt her; that he probably never hurt the original qiu haitang either. that he had saved her after paying back everyone in that manor that had hurt him and then burnt that hell to the ground.

but then cang qiong disciples from qian cao or another peak find her. the system doesnt tell her she shouldnt. she goes. shen jiu is still a bit rotten and bitter, but hes a bit better. she encourages him to talk to yqy. she never becomes a peak lord i dont think, but i think she’d be interested in medicine after she failed to help shen jiu when they were younger with his injuries. by the time luo binghe comes sqq is still dedicated to making his life hell, but she knows why now--she called her brother a’luo. she can see the way shen jiu sees both himself and her brother in lbh. much like yqy she cant bring herself to blame him entirely; she wishes it wasn’t happening both bc lbh doesnt deserve it and she doesnt want sqq to suffer, but he is pretty dedicated to being at least a lil cruel. 

i think qht figuring out shq was a fellow transmigrator early would be funny. she and an ding’s peak lord just bitch all the time locked in a room. double points if this qht is gay. sqh like “why were YOU reading by bad stallion novel” “for the hot women obviously. women are gorgeous. you write a lot of very pretty women, its hard to not find several you like and theyre really fun. dont want to be in the harem tho.” 

and then ofc shen yuan transmigrates late into the game. he has no idea why qht is at cang qiong. he has no idea why yqy is a little nicer to him than usual. he acts like she is going to ruin his life. its only after a while she figures out this is NOT shen jiu. and slowly spirals as she realizes her friend is fucking gone. shen jiu is gone, for good. shen yuan has no idea how to help. he does however get the exposition dump of sqq’s sad backstory though, which he may or may not use for sympathy with lbh. 

now theres three idiots bitching about missing the internet and what to do with the plot even before the conference. theyve potentially thoroughly fucked it up now. shq doesnt wanna die. sqq doesnt wanna have his limbs cut up. qht doesnt wanna be in a harem and misses her childhood best friend. 

#svsss #i just want this out of my brain in hopes i can stop thinking abt it #qiu haitang #shen jiu #shen qingqiu

[sophia-sol]

The Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System, Volume 3, by Mo Xiang Tong Xiu

The third volume! It is here! And my main reaction is: aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! I actually had to take a break partway through reading because it was so much and I needed to calm down. But now I am finished and I am a mass of emotions.

Shen Qingqiu and Luo Binghe spend this whole volume trying genuinely to reach out to each other, to understand each other, and doing a lot of failing but eventually they get there and I AM OVERCOME. God. I can't believe that the first time I read svsss (in the online fan translation) I genuinely believed that there was no evidence that sqq was genuinely happy with how things ended up between him and lbh and that he was basically just like "this might as well happen." Sure he's not very outwardly expressive but it is So Obvious how much sqq loves lbh and ahhhhhh. And lbh! Trying so so so hard to be a good boy for his shizun!! Until xin mo warps his obsession and trauma and leads him to follow his worst impulses, and it's SO UPSETTING but sqq is THERE for him no matter what, now that he finally understands what's driving lbh!

Anyway, this volume also contained a whole bunch of absolutely wild plot stuff that I had 100% forgotten had happened from last time I read it and it was a time and a half to re-experience it. Also I now understand Tianlang-Jun and Zhuzhi-Lang far better too. (and airplane's explanation for why he cut tlj is SO FUNNY. Tlj is like binghe but MORE SO and the readers wouldn't stand for someone stealing lbh's spotlight!!)

I also love this bit about sj!sqq:

"When written within the bounds of the original genre, this kind of character was extremely difficult to handle. You could say he was scum, but he was also pitiful. But if you tried to acknowledge his pathos, his ruthlessness was real too. Characters that were both scummy and tragic always drew aggro, and they were a hotbed for wank, leading comment sections to devolve into massive flame wars."

Hot damn. This is so accurate, to how parts of fandom treat characters who are both scummy and tragic at the same time; it seems like many people struggle to acknowledge that both aspects exist simultaneously, or are only interested in exploring one side. And there are characters like this in so many fandoms! I mean, I spent my youth in the depths of HGSS fandom, and like. Severus Snape. Oh boy.

And the statement at the end that the way svsss goes is what airplane's original outline had INTENDED for pidw, like, ALL of it?? Including the lbh/sqq ship?!?? INCREDIBLE. Real curious how that would have gone with sj!sqq instead of sy!sqq! How would a happy ending have still been reached? AIRPLANE TELL ME MORE about the lost non-harem version of pidw!!!!

Also every single illustration in this volume is an artistic masterpiece, I don't even know which one is my favourite because there are SO MANY perfect illustrations of important scenes.

This volume takes us to the end of the main story of svsss, which means that volume 4 will be entirely the extras, and I am PUMPED. I don't think I successfully managed to find translations of all the extras when I read svsss the first time, given how I've definitely heard references to things that happen that I haven't read, so I cannot wait for NEW BINGQIU CONTENT for me, and also to get to wallow in the airplane extras some more because MOSHANG.

As far as I've seen the publishing date for volume 4 hasn't been announced yet, and I want them to take the time they need to finish making it, and also I am on tenterhooks for more. I am made of nothing but svsss feels!!

#svsss #svsss vol 3 #mxtx #the scum villain's self-saving system #mo xiang tong xiu #book thoughts