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mittensmorgul · 3 years

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If a spn "reboot" ever actually happens, I really hope whoever does it is aware that if they don't address destiel in a respectful, satisfying, and unambiguous way, then it'll flop.... Like. I know talks about a continuation are mostly being done in jest right now. But if someone (Jensen or otherwise) ever buys the rights and tries to headline literally anything else... It's not gonna work. Idk, that's my opinion at least 😬

Agreed.

I mean, there's a lot of elements for *me personally* that would make the reboot various levels of disappointing, but at this point why even bother unless they intended to address Dean's response to Cas in any way?

Like, I can see no point in them making a continuation that picked up sometime after the point 15.20 ended. If that was actually a "happy ending," then the very premise that Sam and Dean would become bored or restless in Heaven proves it wasn't actually a happy ending. It would prove that Heaven wasn't paradise where they could rest and be content forever, which means that something was "less than happy" with that finale.

The whole premise of a continuation for me would by necessity also involve the concept that either their experiences post 15.18 (or at the most, after Chuck's demise in 15.19) were somehow not what they seemed. Because I can't countenance both Dean and Sam's behavior after that point. Nor Jack's honestly. I can't believe any of them would've just *forgotten* everyone they ever cared about. I cannot believe that after everything, Sam would've just... not immediately contacted Eileen to make sure she was home safe. That he wouldn't have wanted to run directly to her.

(not to mention the entirely borked timeline of the universe. If Sam lived another 40-50 years after Dean's supposed death, they'd have to return to the far future, and honestly I do not wanna watch "hunters in 2075" or whatever)

I also can't believe that Jack wouldn't have immediately gone to see his mother to share with her that she had been right, that he did save the world. Or gone to the Empty-- considering he knew why Cas made that deal (to save his life!) AND the conditions of its fulfillment (Cas's moment of happiness that completely broke Dean!)-- to retrieve Cas in gratitude for having made any of this possible in the first place. Because Cas deserved so much more than a singular moment of happiness.

and I have doubts that any attempt at a continuation would acknowledge any of that. For me, not acknowledging any of that just wouldn't work narratively. At least, not unless they were just gonna make the Sam and Dean Amnesia Old Time Hunter Nostalgia Hour or whatever. And I can't even imagine what the story would be. It would probably end up looking like s1 where they were handling urban legends and ghost stories, because what on earth could the Big Mytharc possibly be if Jack truly is the New God ensuring the world was a paradise? Like, it just doesn't even make sense at this point.

Unless "Jack" isn't actually the new God, and the world isn't actually a paradise, and something went horrifically, horrifically wrong in the finale... which... would make a FAR more interesting reboot anyway, yes?

#spn 15.20

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fortunesfavours · 3 years

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My Take On The Supernatural Ending and What’s Happened so Far

Note: I am not exactly part of this fandom. I’ve only begun to watch this show recently but I have some opinions that I want to get out there.

The driving force of me making this post is this twitter thread. If you don’t want to watch the video, here’s how Misha recaps in the replys.

Continued under the cut

MISHA’S TWEET

“There was no conspiracy within the network, staff, or cast of #SPN to minimize or erase representation from the narrative & there was no alternate ending to 15.18. Dean was always too stunned in the moment to reply. (Apparently a rogue translator penned their own dialogue.)

Also, in my opinion Cas doesn't play into the "bury your gays" trope. His declaration of love saves Dean, enabling Sam & Dean to save all of humanity. And Cas doesn’t die! He actually goes on to rebuild heaven!

Was the show perfect? No. Could Cas’ departure have had more resonance in the final episodes? Sure. But I’m confident you guys can sort that part out as your writing, art, and imaginations play the story out past the last frames we filmed.

I’m proud to have spent more than a decade of my life telling a story where good consistently triumphs over evil...

And I’m especially proud that my character’s parting message was, “expressing your true self, letting yourself love who you truly want to love, openly & honestly, can literally save the world… For in the end, good things do happen — & they’re worth fighting for.” I love you all.

ANALYSIS

Now, there’s a lot to unpack here. I’ll go through each reply. I am going to take Misha’s word and not say that he’s lying or covering things up. Obviously, if he takes this statement back or something else comes out I’ll update this post.

I personally don’t think there was a conspiracy. I did, yes, but this changed my mind. I personally tend to believe conspiracies like this up until we have actual statements against it. Let’s break the first reply down:

“There was no conspiracy within the network, staff, or cast of #SPN to minimize or erase representation from the narrative”: The actors, including Misha and most likely Jared and Jensen were not in on any conspiracy to eliminate Dean and Cas’ relationship (representation of two men in love). As far as we know, none of the staff or network was in on anything either. At this moment, I will assume that the ending we saw was the ending that was written pre-Covid. Now, this doesn’t align with the hints about there being a different ending without Covid, but I will, for now, chalk that up to our fanbase being itself and a clumsy attempt from the CW to save face with a pissed-off fandom.

“& there was no alternate ending to 15.18. Dean was always too stunned in the moment to reply. (Apparently a rogue translator penned their own dialogue.)” I believe him, guys. It makes sense for Dean to be stunned. We know Dean loves him back. We have 15 years of Dean loving him back. I’ll get into why I would have liked a different ending, but not yet. I have no opinion on the rogue translator. We’re some weird fans.

“Also, in my opinion Cas doesn't play into the "bury your gays" trope. His declaration of love saves Dean, enabling Sam & Dean to save all of humanity. And Cas doesn’t die! He actually goes on to rebuild heaven!” Now, this is where I partially disagree with Misha. It does play into “bury your gays” because Cas is immediately killed and we don’t see him for the rest of the show. That seems pretty “bury your gays” to me. However, everything else he says about him is true! Cas is a brilliant character and Misha is a brilliant actor. He’s trying to please everyone, but he can’t. We shouldn’t be hating or attacking at all, though. He is a human being who has feelings, and we can’t forget that. He is trying his best, and that’s all we as a fandom can ask for.

“Was the show perfect? No. Could Cas’ departure have had more resonance in the final episodes? Sure. But I’m confident you guys can sort that part out as your writing, art, and imaginations play the story out past the last frames we filmed.” To me, this is a reminder that Misha didn’t control what happened, and he acknowledges that the ending was far from perfect. He clearly wants us to take these characters we so love and keep the fandom alive. I, for one, intend on continuing to be an active part of this fandom I’m quickly falling into. The ending was not what we wanted, and not what he wanted, but if he says he’s proud, I’m just satisfied being happy for him.

“I’m proud to have spent more than a decade of my life telling a story where good consistently triumphs over evil...And I’m especially proud that my character’s parting message was, “expressing your true self, letting yourself love who you truly want to love, openly & honestly, can literally save the world… For in the end, good things do happen — & they’re worth fighting for.” I love you all.” This simply backs up what I truly believe: Castiel is an amazing character, and Misha is a genuinely well-intentioned, kind person.

SUMMARY OF MY OPINION ON THE ENDING:

It was bad. Other people have gone into far more and better detail as to why, but in summary:

It kills the lore

It ruins 15 years of character development, mostly for Dean

It plays into homophobic and sexist tropes (bury your gays, blurry wife)

Castiel deserved to be seen as who he truly was, Dean deserved a chance at a free life, Sam deserved not to mourn the rest of his life.

MY FINAL THOUGHTS:

Deancas/Destiel is canon. Nothing can change me on that. Supernatural has many, many faults, most of which I am not well-educated enough to address. However, the sheer joy and friendship it has brought to so many of us is where we can truly find its worth. The actors and fandom are what makes this show great, and I’m so thankful to be able to contribute to it. I hope this fandom continues to exist for many years to come. The ending was bad, in my opinion, but our fanworks are meant to exist, encouraged by the actors. There’s more story to tell, and its on us now.

Thank you for clowning with me.

#supernatural #spn #spn family #spn fandom #destiel #deancas #spn ending #spn analysis

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the-artful-dodger · 3 years

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SUPERNATURAL FINALE- PART 1

This is gonna be a long one, so I divided into four parts:

Why the ending didn’t work.

Some of the reasons given in defense of the episode, and why they don’t really justify it either.

Why the ending hurt us so badly

Why I feel that despite everything, the writers still lose and we still win

So, for the first part, I’ll be looking at the three major character ends specifically: Dean, Sam and Cas.

In Dean’s case, I do honestly believe that to have him go down swinging is the best way to end his story. Even Dean himself knows that it’s the only satisfying death he can see himself having. Notice here, it’s the end he can see for himself, not the one he wants. Because given how he’s spent his entire life, given all that he’s accepted (about the world and himself) and all that he’s seen, he cannot imagine simply living an ordinary, apple-pie life.

In the early seasons, we could see that he believed that he would die alone, with a gun in his hand. Because he didn’t believe himself to be worth loving. We know that Dean used to see only the worst about himself. And in true Dean Winchester fashion, he used humor to play it off whenever it came up. He always acted nonchalantly about it, pretending that it didn’t matter, and that he was fine with it.

But he wasn’t. That wasn’t what he really wanted, as is made clear by his wishverse in What Is And What Should Never Be, his heaven in Dark Side Of The Moon, and how what he wanted most in the season eleven finale (his mom) and Lebanon (his dad). What Dean Winchester craves most is FAMILY. This fact can be seen in many other episodes too. The only problem he sees, is that he doesn’t deserve one.

And through the show we see how he realises that he can have what he wants. It’s slow for sure, but evident in the way he opens up to more characters and fights with all his heart for them. And in the last episode, we see the job application!!!. Dean does want to get out of hunting. And even if he can’t, he wants to die after living like Bobby, a life where he isn’t alone and isn’t always sad, rather than like John, who didn’t allow himself to get close to anyone.

In the ending we got, sure, he accomplished his goal of gaining free will, but he didn’t get to have a family. He didn’t get to live his life and make memories with all the people he cared about. He didn’t get his shot at living a life he wanted. No, he died young, and in a way alone. After, everything that has happened, all the character development over 15 years, this ending does not provide a satisfying closure anymore.

Also, yes it is completely realistic for a person to accidentally die after getting impaled during a hunt, but this isn’t reality it’s fiction. Here, maintaining a balance between what’s realistic and what’s not is very, very important. For example, the beginning montage showing the brothers go about daily regular chores was a good way to incorporate realism. Dean dying by a nail was not. Because, Dean was a hero and he deserves a heroic end. After everything we’ve seen him triumph over, after all that build up, this was kind of anti-climatic.

That’s why Dean’s ending doesn’t quite work out.

Now coming to Sam. Ever since the pilot, Sam has wanted to quit hunting, and leave a safe, normal life. Keeping the fact that he doesn’t like hunting in general aside, his experience with the family business included being the freak, being lonely, scared and always in danger, having to always move around, and so on. In short, hunting meant that he couldn’t have happiness. Which is why, in the pilot he’s completely happy living a normal life with Jessica.

But that’s where the character development starts. From this episode onwards, we see how close Sam and Dean have always been and how they grow even more codependent in the next few seasons . And as more seasons pass, Sam realises that hunting isn’t always as lonely as it was with their dad. Even though, he never truly wants to hunt, and wants to live normally again, he now also cares about his hunter friends and family that he’s acquired. Even with a normal life, he wouldn’t be truly happy if they were in any way hurt. (We can see in Free To Be You And Me, though he quits hunting, he still misses Dean, and also calls Bobby to let him know about the omens. Also, in season 8, he wasn’t completely happy settling down with Amelia either. There was always this regret and sadness at Dean being gone.)

From this, the fact that all other times when Dean is gone he has been sad as well as aggressive (Mystery Spot, the entire revenge arc in season 4, Black), and also the few scenes we see in the end of 15x20 (the Impala one especially), it is pretty clear Sam is just as codependent on his brother as Dean is. Even if he didn’t try bringing him back, Sam was definitely sad for the remainder of his life. Thus, despite the heaven reunion, this ending hurts and does not act as a proper closure.

Plus, he needed to end up with Eileen rather than some random woman, not just because its a cute ship (although it is, isn’t it!!!), but because it fits narratively. It’s no secret that most women Sam is romantically involved with end up dead. Sam knows it too, which is why even though he did fall in love with others, he never allowed himself to grow as close to them as he did with Jess. That is, until Eileen came into the picture.

Eileen was a hunter just like them, and she knew about the supernatural. She knew how to fight and how to protect herself against these creatures. Thus, Sam didn’t have to be as scared of losing her as he was with the others. Also, Sam was clearly in love with her, to the point that losing her in 15x18 made him panic so much, and he couldn’t think about it for fear of losing his mind.

So Sam’s ending doesn’t work either.

As far as the brothers are concerned, I think that this was the ending they believed they wanted in the earlier seasons, before realising it wasn’t.

Coming to Cas. I feel that Cas’ ending was the most unfair and undeserved of them all. Now I get that this was somewhat a controversial topic, especially because of Destiel. So for just a moment let’s pretend the confession didn’t happen. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s the Winchesters’ family, their best friend and one third of the original Team Free Will. Other than Sam and Dean, he’s been in the most number of episodes. He’s helped the brothers more than anyone else. He’s always played a very important role in the events of the show. After all of that, to not bring him back in the finale, and to not even acknowledge his death, to not show the effect it has on his family, is just simply wrong.

On top of that, The Scene in 15x18, the confession did happen. Destiel was made canon. Not only that, but it was a one-sided confession, and Cas died believing he wasn’t loved back (though he was). Because of this, his character arc remains unresolved. That they didn’t even show Dean - the Dean who grieved like a widower the last time Cas died, who literally fell to his knees- be much affected by this, hurt even more.

Thus, Cas’ ending doesn’t work either.

An unsatisfying ending is acceptable only in tragedies. Supernatural is NOT that. Supernatural is a show about hope, love and family. The characters have spent 15 seasons fighting for all of these, fighting to bring some happiness into their lives, be it through gaining free will, saving other people, or keeping their family safe. To have them die without true happiness, and with unresolved arcs, is what makes the ending not work. All of this makes it the failure that it was, the unsatisfying ending that we all hated.

I would also just like to mention that a majority of the fandom related to characters like Cas, Eileen and Dean. To have them killled of in such a homophobic and ableist way was a real punch in the gut for us.To show Dean, who has always kept fighting for what he wants and what he believes in, die in such a manner really hurt people ,like me, who have kept fighting by looking up to him. These also played a really significant part in the ending’s failure.

So that was the first part of my essay.

Here’s the link to the second part (which will hopefully be shorter than this lol)

#supernatural #supernatural 15x20 #The End #finale #Sam Winchester #dean winchester #castiel #unsatisfying #why the end #doesn't work

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