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blood-and-cigars · 5 years

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moar phantom au.

You didn’t ask for more of my literary analysis bullshit, but tough luck that’s what you’re getting. Gotta stay on brand, after all.

Ok so Phantom at its core (for me) is about the transcendence of artistry, of the sublime, into monstrosity. It’s about an unwitting Faustian bargain; the protagonist wishes to dabble in the music of the angels and instead finds herself tangled in the obsessions of a very human madman.

However, Phantom isn’t a traditional “escape the murderer” story, (It isn’t a traditional *anything* the original, serialized novel jumps genres like nobody’s business) it’s equal parts beauty and the beast, or rather its older cousin, death and the maiden. There is no book if after the initial disillusionment there isn’t still a draw.

The protagonist (Christine) expects divinity but instead is faced with this overwhelming tragic monstrosity, and amid the devastation of that realization she discovers… she’s still kind of into it?

You can strip away the dressings of theatre and opera and still keep that main premise.

Frankly I was always disappointed with Phantom’s lack of truly supernatural elements, I think a Hellsing AU would actually fit rather nicely.

However some alterations to Alucard’s character and role in the story would be necessary because the titular character is indeed the villain.

The same can be said for Integra too. While I love Christine as a protagonist, she’s inherently the wilting ingenue archetype (her strength is a quiet sort) and Integra is… not that.

Seras would actually be a more obvious choice for the Christine stand in, however I interpret Alucard as being… more decent?? than to form that kind of selfish obsession on someone without their being underlying baggage to their relationship (as is his history with the Hellsing line).

Ironically enough I think Alucard is too scrupulous to put all his tragedies and emotional burdens at someone else’s feet.

Either way, if not music, I’m not certain what their fixation would be. Most likely some form of occult knowledge? Or perhaps successfully running the organization itself.

I wonder how Alucard could deceive Integra though. Perhaps it’s the fact that upon her ascension she realizes that a vampire has been governing the Hellsing organization from the shadows for all those years since Van Helsing died. (Which if we’re swapping out the Opera House for Hellsing, could be a thing that happened)

I don’t know, there’s a lot of ways to go about mashing Phantom and Hellsing together.

Lovecraft + Phantom of the Opera + House of Leaves+ Hellsing = I have no idea what I’m doing anymore.

Here’s some stuff I’d include in a fic:

Arthur lives until Integra is twenty, all that time he is in charge of the organization. Although he is always withdrawn, a little sickly, and white around the eyes.

The catacombs of the opera house can be the Hellsing manor subbasements. Alucard has been locked away for three long decades. The years are incomprehensible at this point, stretching out into something quite close to an eternity.

No he’s never been released from his cell since then, but the many years of silence and solitude have made him powerful in a different way.

He is part of the basements, the mansion, the organization itself. The walls breathe with him, not a soul passes the threshold without his notice. To some extent, he’s forgotten what it is to be a person, instead of simply an extension of the shadows.

Arthur is very secretive about his duties, even as his health declines and it becomes clear they must begin thinking of succession. He mutters about demons, of monsters, and hellfire.

There is a room, on the ground floor, nestled away to the side, with the best view of the gardens. No one is allowed there. This is our box five.

The drapes are tightly drawn, but from a few cracks Integra’s been able to make out a desk and old, worn journals.

Every two weeks, Walter may go in for twenty minutes exactly, to clean without disturbing anything. Only Walter, no other staff.

When Integra asked, he told her it was once Van Helsing’s study. It is where he kept all his arcane knowledge, where he wrote out his correspondences, where he was found dead one early morning. But that was decades ago.

Arthur himself never sets foot in the place. Integra wonders if it’s out of grief. He talks about his father often, with both disdain and reverence.

During the last year, Richard comes to live with them. To be with his brother, he says. To look after his niece. He’d execute his attempted coup a tad more gracefully; after all why kill your opponent when instead you can discredit her?

When she was younger, Integra caught her reflection grinning back at her. She told her father about it, asked him why the deepest recesses of the mansion drum like a beating heart.

Arthur’s smile froze on his face. After a moment he told her, in the forced cheerful tone one uses with children, that there were spirits watching over the house, watching over them.

“Like angels?” Little Integra had said.

And her father nodded indulgently, even as he called Walter in to have every mirror on the property covered.

She is not so naive, by the time Arthur dies. Even through her grief, she sees how Richard is making himself oh so comfortable at the manor. How his smile is sickly sweet, and the way he’s trying to set himself up as her “protector.”

During the viewing, Integra stares at her father’s cold, still body and it’s like the breath’s been stolen from her lungs. She does not weep, but she is empty.

She’s not sure she cares to challenge Richard’s silly games. Let him have the organization and it’s haunted legacy.

Integra dreams she is walking along a beach. Icy water laps at her ankles with each step. There’s a figure amidst the rocks, playing a violin. And when he looks up, he wears her father’s face but his eyes are unfamiliar.

“What are you doing here, little bird?”

“I’d ask you the same thing,” she said. “Who are you?“

“I’m no one.”

She does not remember the rest of that dream.

Richard laughs when Walter explains about the study to him. First when it’s presented as his dead brother’s wishes, then even more so when Walter claims a supernatural bent to the precaution.

However, Integra is the heir, and it is her house. She will not see her father’s wishes disrespected before he’s even cold in the ground— no matter how eccentric those wishes may be.

She gives the study key to Walter and instructs him to continue as before.

Integra is looking over the old ledgers, the first time she hears the voice. No that’s a lie. She’s heard it before, this is the first time she acknowledges it.

Her father had been rather free with government funding, it seems he didn’t see much of a distinction between business and pleasure. (She shudders at the thought of an audit) At least he had been meticulous about recording his expenses.

She goes through years of accounts, and very suddenly the extravagant spending stops. Somehow Walter’s modest budgeting is so much worse.

She’s brushing away silent tears when she hears it. The voice is muted and distant, hardly discernible. She decides to follow it.

Hellsing manor has always been a strange place, where shadows flicker in the periphery and invisible hands claw at the windows.

Integra knows this. She’s been taught to ignore it.

She isn’t sure what compels her— recklessness or grief or anger but she follows the voice, down two flights of stairs and closed off staff quarters, to the forgotten basement door that leads into an even deeper section of the mansion.

There’s a strange indescribable shift, as she senses a consciousness focus on her. Something old and long slumbering, shaking off layers of dust and disuse.

Her father had told her the basement was walled off, that the door was sealed. Bricked shut, never to be opened again

It stands ajar, inviting her inside.

Any other day, Integra thinks she would have turned back. But this time she trails down into the bowels of her home.

Somehow— she thinks there is a trick involved, a few passages did not lead where they should have— she reaches a room that she just knows is a perfect mirror of Van Helsing’s study, even if she never set foot in the place herself.

On some level she knows it probably isn’t real. But she’s determined to figure out what this thing is that slumbers beneath the manor. She’ll indulge these games to see what’s behind it all.

There is someone waiting for her. Maybe something. It’s just a silhouette, with ever shifting edges. Blurred movements, darkness barely given form.

“What are you?” she asks this time. And she knows somehow, this is the man from the dream. This is the voice she’s heard from the shadows.

He doesn’t respond. Just looks at her. When she nears him he seems to reform. To take shape into something more resembling a person. But she realizes she can’t make out a face. Any face at all.

#lol this is old but I thought Id dust it off and post #hellsing #hellsing ultimate #alucard #integra #arthur hellsing #richard #au corner #phantom of the opera #i ramble sometimes #*writer's cap*#all the bendy punctuations #a mysterious stranger has appeared #(I think I might have posted the lit analysis bit before but it was meant to be part of the scenario listicle #)#long post #headcanons #meta #tbd at some point

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eroticcannibal · 5 years

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Please stop telling people to “just do CBT”

CBT, like medication, can be valuable and life-changing to an individual. And like medication, it can also be devastating if it’s not the right treatment to you. It seems a lot of people seem to think that because it’s accessible and you can get free PDFs online, that it’s safe to just hop on any post and tell complete strangers to try it.

That is dangerous and irresponsible behavior.

CBT is suited to those who are having trouble specifically with their thought patterns around things that do not justify those kinds of thought patterns, to the point where it impacts their life. CBT is not suited to just anyone having problems with their mood or anxiety or their thought patterns. And yet it is frequently pushed on people by strangers, by doctors (because it is relatively quick and cheap, thanks capitalism!), even forced on patients who aren’t suited to the treatment, causing worsening situations, even trauma.

I can’t link to any of the wonderful conversations I’ve witnessed in private groups by those harmed by CBT, unfortunately. To summarise, I have seen fair comparisons to ABA, gaslighting, victim blaming, brainwashing, neglectful parenting that dismisses the feelings of the child (have fun with that one if that’s the source of your problems), grooming the patient to be receptive to coercion and institutional abuses, But from my own perspective as someone who had to stop CBT before I killed myself as a result of it, HERE is some highlights of the more damaging parts of a typical CBT workbook (and there's some great contributions in the notes). For those with issues caused by abuse or oppression or other situational factors, CBT becomes gaslighting. CBT is routinely weaponized against the oppressed and the abused, when our understandable reactions make others uncomfortable. CBT is used to make us into “good victims”, who don’t hurt or cry or complain or blame anyone. CBT is a therapy that can sever the connection between a person and themselves, it can be compassionless and cold. Not to mention that CBT inherently shifts the blame for feelings and behaviors entirely onto the individual rather than acknowledging the true role of triggers.

In addition to this, CBT and how it is implemented is not only criticized by those harmed directly by it, but by professionals too.

“this model appears to confuse the symptoms (i.e., negative self concepts) of depression with its cognitive causes... In many cases, clients' appraisals and reports of their negative or distressful experiences are quite rational, realistic, and accurate. For example, their experiences of sexual or physical abuse at the hands of another or the tragedies of their loved ones have left enormous scars in their life. In such circumstances, cognitive-restructuring exercises, with their emphasis on reframing reality and not on changing it, do not deal with the true problem... research has shown that positive self-evaluations may be dysfunctional and maladaptive... the self-focused cognitive model puts a strong emphasis on examining the association between negative thoughts and mental dysfunction, but it has not answered the question of why individuals choose to focus on their negative attributes when the positive evaluation of the self is more accurate. “

“ Opponents have frequently argued that the approach is too mechanistic and fails to address the concerns of the “whole” patient... the specific cognitive components of CBT often fail to outperform “stripped-down” versions of the treatment that contain only the more basic behavioral strategies... patients with major depression improved just as much following a treatment that contained only the behavioral strategies and explicitly excluded techniques designed to directly modify distorted cognitions... “

“Some critics argue that because CBT only addresses current problems and focuses on specific issues, it does not address the possible underlying causes of mental health conditions, such as an unhappy childhood... CBT focuses on the individual’s capacity to change themselves (their thoughts, feelings and behaviours), and does not address wider problems in systems or families that often have a significant impact on an individual’s health and wellbeing. “

“ Seek a therapy referral on the NHS today, and you’re much more likely to end up, not in anything resembling psychoanalysis, but in a short series of highly structured meetings with a CBT practitioner, or perhaps learning methods to interrupt your “catastrophising” thinking via a PowerPoint presentation, or online... CBT doesn’t exactly claim that happiness is easy, but it does imply that it’s relatively simple: your distress is caused by your irrational beliefs, and it’s within your power to seize hold of those beliefs and change them... Our conscious minds are tiny iceberg-tips on the dark ocean of the unconscious – and you can’t truly explore that ocean by means of CBT’s simple, standardised, science-tested steps... Examining scores of earlier experimental trials, two researchers from Norway concluded that its effect size – a technical measure of its usefulness – had fallen by half since 1977... For the most severely depressed, it concluded, 18 months of analysis worked far better – and with much longer-lasting effects – than “treatment as usual” on the NHS, which included some CBT. Two years after the various treatments ended, 44% of analysis patients no longer met the criteria for major depression, compared to one-tenth of the others. Around the same time, the Swedish press reported a finding from government auditors there: that a multimillion pound scheme to reorient mental healthcare towards CBT had proved completely ineffective in meeting its goals...

A few years ago, after CBT had started to dominate taxpayer-funded therapy in Britain, a woman I’ll call Rachel, from Oxfordshire, sought therapy on the NHS for depression, following the birth of her first child. She was sent first to sit through a group PowerPoint presentation, promising five steps to “improve your mood”; then she received CBT from a therapist and, in between sessions, via computer. “I don’t think anything has ever made me feel as lonely and isolated as having a computer program ask me how I felt on a scale of one to five, and – after I’d clicked the sad emoticon on the screen – telling me it was ‘sorry to hear that’ in a prerecorded voice,” Rachel recalled. Completing CBT worksheets under a human therapist’s guidance wasn’t much better. “With postnatal depression,” she said, “you’ve gone from a situation in which you’ve been working, earning your own money, doing interesting things – and suddenly you’re at home on your own, mostly covered in sick, with no adult to talk to.” What she needed, she sees now, was real connection: that fundamental if hard-to-express sense of being held in the mind of another person, even if only for a short period each week.“I may be mentally ill,” Rachel said, “but I do know that a computer does not feel bad for me.”...

In the NHS study conducted at the Tavistock clinic last year, chronically depressed patients receiving psychoanalytic therapy stood a 40% better chance of going into partial remission, during every six-month period of the research, than those receiving other treatments... Alongside this growing body of evidence, scholars have begun to ask pointed questions about the studies that first fuelled CBT’s ascendancy. In a provocative 2004 paper, the Atlanta-based psychologist Drew Westen and his colleagues showed how researchers – motivated by the desire for an experiment with clearly interpretable results – had often excluded up to two-thirds of potential participants, typically because they had multiple psychological problems... Moreover, some studies have sometimes seemed to unfairly stack the deck, as when CBT has been compared with “psychodynamic therapy” delivered by graduate students who’d received only a few days’ cursory training in it, from other students... But the most incendiary charge against cognitive approaches, from the torchbearers of psychoanalysis, is that they might actually make things worse: that finding ways to manage your depressed or anxious thoughts, for example, may simply postpone the point at which you’re driven to take the plunge into self-understanding and lasting change. CBT’s implied promise is that there’s a relatively simple, step-by-step way to gain mastery over suffering. But perhaps there’s more to be gained from acknowledging how little control – over our lives, our emotions, and other people’s actions – we really have?...

Many neuroscience experiments have indicated that the brain processes information much faster than conscious awareness can keep track of it, so that countless mental operations run, in the neuroscientist David Eagleman’s phrase, “under the hood” – unseen by the conscious mind in the driving-seat. For that reason, as Louis Cozolino writes in Why Therapy Works, “by the time we become consciously aware of an experience, it has already been processed many times, activated memories, and initiated complex patterns of behaviour.”... This doesn’t mesh well with a basic assumption of CBT – that, with training, we can learn to catch most of our unhelpful mental responses in the act. Rather, it seems to confirm the psychoanalytic intuition that the unconscious is huge, and largely in control; and that we live, unavoidably, through lenses created in the past, which we can only hope to modify partially, slowly and with great effort. “

“ after completing low-intensity CBT, more than one in two service users had relapsed within 12 months.”

“ the overwhelming majority of CBT still operates through Becksian principles of normalisation, fitting a governmental agenda of producing good, quiet, working subjects who contribute to the economy and shut up. “

“To make this analysis, let’s imagine you are a therapist who is given the task of providing therapy for Ariel Castro (the recent accused kidnapper and rapist) to help him deal with suicidal thoughts over being universally hated and most likely condemned to a life sentence or the death penalty. Now think about the absurdity of doing CBT in this situation; that is, analyzing his negative thought patterns to help him deal with his one-sided thinking so he can better adjust himself to his (not so nice) life conditions.

Even better, imagine you’re given the task of providing therapy for Dr. Joseph Biederman (the key promoter of children’s Bipolar diagnoses) who perhaps is dealing with a severe depression related to negative public opinion regarding the enormous damage his work has done to tens of thousands of children (unfortunately his depression is a made-up scenario). Again you have the assigned responsibility to use CBT to help him see beyond the “negatives” in his thought patterns to find the “positives” in his career in order to help relieve his depression so he can get on with his work with great enthusiasm.

And even more controversial, let’s say you have the task of providing therapy using CBT for President George Bush several months after he launched the Iraq war; imagine for a moment that he has become quite depressed related to the growing mass demonstrations and the grief displayed by the parents of dead American soldiers coming home in coffins on a daily basis. Your job is to help him overcome his depression so he can get back to being The Commander In Chief...

CBT, being part of the “idealist” school of thought, tends to sever the relationship between the specific nature of the material conditions in the environment that gives rise to a person’s thoughts, and leaves it up to the interpretation of the listener (often a therapist) to determine whether or not the environmental source of those thoughts was actually traumatic or oppressive or more positive and humane. “

[Let me be clear, this is not me saying that CBT is bad, should never be used, or that it can’t be helpful to you. If it works for you, use it. It is the attitude that damn near everyone has, laypeople and professionals alike, that it’s a magic fix it that works for everyone, that I am challenging here. I’ve had issues with professionals not believing me recently when I expressed that I was unwilling to go through CBT again because it is a danger to me, because “oh it’s just changing how you think, that can’t be dangerous!”. Recommending particular treatments without a complete understanding of someone’s situation and without the proper clinical knowledge is dangerous, and when it comes to CBT it happens all the time. Recommending CBT without considering situational factors is dangerous, and it happens all the time.]

#Word of God #long post

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robertogreco · 6 years

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Rebecca Solnit on High School

from “Rebecca Solnit on Skipping High School and California Culture: In Converation with Paul Holdengrber”:

I didn’t go to high school and I feel that was one of the great strategic victories of my life. In the 1970s everything was very nebulous and wide open, and I just managed by going to an alternative junior high school through tenth grade, which was a very kind place compared to the place I went to for seventh and eighth grade. Then I took the GED test and started college at 16, to avoid high school altogether.

I remember thinking the GED—which is supposed to test you on everything you’re supposed to know when you graduate from high school—and thinking, “I’ve basically goofed off for two years. I’m 15 and I’m apparently able to acquire all the knowledge you need to get out of high school—what are you doing for those other three or four years?” I’ve always felt that a lot of what people are taught to do is conform and obey a set of instructions about hierarchy. It’s really destructive of the people who succeed in that system, as well as the ones who fail. I know you didn’t grow up in this country—

[…]

Well that too. There’s the people who feel damaged by being unpopular in high school, but there’s a different kind of tragedy of people who were so popular in high school—the homecoming queens, the football captains—who feel as though they’ve arrived at the end of the journey without ever having set out for it, who feel like now they can rest on the laurels, which aren’t the laurels that will matter for the next 50 or 60 years.

It’s a very destructive system of values. You look at schools in other countries and they don’t have proms and homecoming queens and team spirit—this kind of elaborate sports culture that is very heteronormative as well as hierarchical. It also creates monsters out of the boys who are able to get away with bullying and sexual assault because they’re good at sports.

Update [10 June 2018]: Here are some lines from another 2015 piece by Solnit, “Abolish High School”:

What was it, I sometimes wonder, that I was supposed to have learned in the years of high school that I avoided? High school is often considered a definitive American experience, in two senses: an experience that nearly everyone shares, and one that can define who you are, for better or worse, for the rest of your life. I’m grateful I escaped the particular definition that high school would have imposed on me, and I wish everyone else who suffered could have escaped it, too.

For a long time I’ve thought that high school should be abolished. I don’t mean that people in their teens should not be educated at public expense. The question is what they are educated in. An abolitionist proposal should begin by acknowledging all the excellent schools and teachers and educations out there; the people who have a pleasant, useful time in high school; and the changes being wrought in the nature of secondary education today. It should also recognize the tremendous variety of schools, including charter and magnet schools in the public system and the private schools — religious, single-sex, military, and prep — that about 10 percent of American students attend, in which the values and pedagogical systems may be radically different. But despite the caveats and anomalies, the good schools and the students who thrive (or at least survive), high school is hell for too many Americans. If this is so, I wonder why people should be automatically consigned to it.

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We tend to think that adolescence is inherently ridden with angst, but much of the misery comes from the cruelty of one’s peers. Twenty-eight percent of public school students and 21 percent of private school students report being bullied, and though inner-city kids are routinely portrayed in the press as menaces, the highest levels of bullying are reported among white kids and in nonurban areas. Victims of bullying are, according to a Yale study, somewhere between two and nine times more likely to attempt suicide. Why should children be confined to institutions in which these experiences are so common?

[…]

When you are a teenager, your peers judge you by exacting and narrow criteria. But those going through the same life experiences at the same time often have little to teach one another about life. Most of us are safer in our youth in mixed-age groups, and the more time we spend outside our age cohort, the broader our sense of self. It’s not just that adults and children are good for adolescents. The reverse is also true. The freshness, inquisitiveness, and fierce idealism of a wide-awake teenager can be exhilarating, just as the stony apathy of a shut-down teenager can be dismal.

A teenager can act very differently outside his or her peer group than inside it. A large majority of hate crimes and gang rapes are committed by groups of boys and young men, and studies suggest that the perpetrators are more concerned with impressing one another and conforming to their group’s codes than with actual hatred toward outsiders. Attempts to address this issue usually focus on changing the social values to which such groups adhere, but dispersing or diluting these groups seems worth consideration, too.

High school in America is too often a place where one learns to conform or take punishment — and conformity is itself a kind of punishment, one that can flatten out your soul or estrange you from it.

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But abolishing high school would not just benefit those who are at the bottom of its hierarchies. Part of the shared legacy of high school is bemused stories about people who were treated as demigods at seventeen and never recovered. A doctor I hang out with tells me that former classmates who were more socially successful in high school than he was seem baffled that he, a quiet youth who made little impression, could be more professionally successful, as though the qualities that made them popular should have effortlessly floated them through life. It’s easy to laugh, but there is a real human cost. What happens to people who are taught to believe in a teenage greatness that is based on achievements unlikely to matter in later life?

Abolishing high school could mean many things. It could mean compressing the time teenagers have to sort out their hierarchies and pillory outsiders, by turning schools into minimalist places in which people only study and learn. All the elaborate rites of dances and games could take place under other auspices. (Many Europeans and Asians I’ve spoken to went to classes each day and then left school to do other things with other people, forgoing the elaborate excess of extracurricular activities that is found at American schools.) It could mean schools in which age segregation is not so strict, where a twelve-year-old might mentor a seven-year-old and be mentored by a seventeen-year-old; schools in which internships, apprenticeships, and other programs would let older students transition into the adult world before senior year. (Again, there are plenty of precedents from around the world.)

Or it could mean something yet unimagined. I’ve learned from doctors that you don’t have to have a cure before you make a diagnosis. Talk of abolishing high school is just my way of wondering whether so many teenagers have to suffer so much. How much of that suffering is built into a system that is, however ubiquitous, not inevitable? “Every time I drive past a high school, I can feel the oppression. I can feel all those trapped souls who just want to be outside,” a woman recalling her own experience wrote to me recently. “I always say aloud, ‘You poor souls.’ ”

#high school #education #Rebecca Solnit #society #hierarchy #hierarchies #schools #schooling #unschooling #deschooling #US #values

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go-redgirl · 5 years

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It’s Long Past Time for National Discussion About Mental Illness epoch times ^ | 8/8/2019 | BRIAN CATES

After two horrific mass shooting incidents last weekend, the United States is once again locked into the same frustrating routine that follows such tragedies.

In El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, deeply disturbed individuals shot and killed more than 30 people in two separate events.

Many Democratic politicians running for president immediately began using the incidents in their fundraising, calling for gun bans and more gun control laws, such as bringing back the lapsed “assault weapons ban.”

President Donald Trump took a far different approach when he stated that it’s time to begin grappling with mental health reform, and I think he’s right.

Trump outlined five steps he intends to take in response to these latest mass slayings.

Set up partnerships between the Department of Justice, local state and federal agencies, and social media companies to identify and act on early warning signs of someone threatening a mass shooting.

Stop the glorification of violence in our society, which includes video games and other forms of mass entertainment where the act of killing is celebrated in a “culture of violence.” Reform the mental health laws to more accurately identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence to ensure they get treatment when necessary, they must be involuntarily confined. Ensure that people judged to be a risk to public safety have their access to firearms taken away by due process. Quickly and decisively administer capital punishment for those who commit mass slayings, without yearslong delays.

Trump acknowledged some of these proposed steps will be very hard to achieve, such as the second one, which calls for a cultural change. Trump himself said:

“Cultural change is hard. But each of us can choose to build a culture that celebrates the inherent worth and dignity of every human life. That’s what we

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INDIVIDUALS/COMMENTS/POSTS:

To: bitt Yes, mental illness...

Everyone does know who is going to be declared mentally ill, right?

3 posted on 8/8/2019, 1:58:22 PM by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt Here is the problem.

I was listening to Dr. Laura’s satellite radio show and she claims that radical feminists have basically hijacked the curriculum at any institution where one might train to become a therapist.

They might conclude that being a straight male is a form of mental illness, and then they come for your guns.

Like everything else in this country mental health has been thoroughly, utterly politicized.

4 posted on 8/8/2019, 1:59:13 PM by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt They used to lock up crazies. Now they register them to vote as democrats.

5 posted on 8/8/2019, 1:59:33 PM by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt Like when we used to institutionalize crazy folks?

The left dumped them all in the street.

6 posted on 8/8/2019, 1:59:39 PM by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt As long as there is patient confidentiality and police can’t do sh** before someone kills someone, and people get meds (which are ALWAYS experimental) instead of being confined, nothing will change.

7 posted on 8/8/2019, 1:59:48 PM by Sacajaweau ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt This is the ruling that destroyed our mental health system and shut down the states’ psychiatric hospitals. It must be overturned if we’re to stop these horrible mass killings.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/527/581/

8 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:00:58 PM by ryderann ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: DoughtyOne Exactly. And don’t forget how this will be abused by personal vendettas in situations like divorce.

9 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:01:05 PM by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt Agreed that there needs to be a larger recognition that this is a problem however this term of National Discussion (conversation) is worn-out by now and the left only wants to converse on their point of view. 10 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:01:22 PM by capydick (Â“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt The left wants to funny-farm the right. The right wants to funny-farm the left.

Of course the right is right.

But it would depend on who is in power at the time.

11 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:02:10 PM by Migraine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt There are no more discussions, only conflicts.

12 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:02:15 PM by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt Get back to Church regularly, put the Ten Commandmants on display in all public schools, acknowledge God in all our ways.

Stop murdering our children in the womb; stop encouraging and celebrating sexual perversion and all things lgbtq, which are an abomination to God.

Then and only then will this nation be healed.

13 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:02:22 PM by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Tell It Right Oh absolutely.

Gun owners should NEVER go to an shrink either. During the registration they’ll ask if you own weapons.

So if you actually need help, they’ll treat you as a hostile before the sessions even begin.

I opted out the last time I wanted some counseling during a rough patch. Never again...

14 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:05:42 PM by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.)

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To: bitt Let’s start with the Democrats mental health!

21 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:16:11 PM by tallyhoe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt Implementing #3 removes the need for #4.

22 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:16:24 PM by TheDon (MAGA!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt We do have high rates of mental illness, and the billions of pills swallowed over the last 30 years haven’t reduced those rates.

The culture is sick, but we can’t talk about social issues. That’s been off the table since the 1992 Republican Convention.

23 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:17:25 PM by cdcdawg (Fact: Dogs can extract more info from smelling a pile of $h!t than humans can from viewing ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt Both Mario, and Andrew Cuomo closed psychiatric centers in NY State, and tossed the residents into the community. Prison population exploded in the State, and a large number of inmates came into the system with mental health issues. I know, because I worked as an officer in NYDOCS for 25 years, and had to deal with them.

24 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:19:00 PM by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt There IS no “national discussion” when only one side owns all the platforms by which such a discussion can be carried out.

25 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:24:18 PM by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: bitt There are a lot of people who demand that some challenged children are included in classrooms, sports, competitions, etc.

To some extent that’s OK. But as adults who are still challenged and possibly alienated... there is a time to call a thing by its right name.

We’re cultivating an element that cannot cope. We are enabling adults who are NOT responsible for themselves... not in their relationships, their work, their property (including guns) and you have to make some decisions from the start, to address this likelihood.

Liberals have always fought this. Now, it’s coming home to roost. Never mind that media violence and the criminally dummied-down education in the US has contributed greatly to the problem.

THIS is the perfect storm

26 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:26:29 PM by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: bitt

Mental illness is certainly part of the problem but we also have a problem with young men of all races who need proper raising to know how to be a man and not a problem to society.

The government, education, workforce, military, and media have become female centered. It’s not a bad thing to give women opportunity for a future, a young woman without good opportunities is a sad thing, but a young man without good opportunities is a dangerous thing. They tend to drag women down with them as well.

I think we need to concentrate on our young men for awhile.

27 posted on 8/8/2019, 2:26:56 PM by Tejas Rob

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tinyspringtrap · 7 years

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honestly tho actual last post on this bc I don’t care enough to try and sit and bang my head against a brick wall of denial, but I still have shit I want to point out so I’m going to do that and then go back to blogging memes for my meme.

Like. You keep saying shit like ‘lol grow up’ or saying how we’re being really shitty about the situation but If you think you’re being the mature person here by flinging insults, wishing death on us in your tags in some posts, and making melodramatic posts about ‘hoping your name comes as a curse to me’ you are very mistaken.

You’ve been nothing but an immature brick wall through this entire thing lmao - you refused (and still refuse) to admit from the very beginning that your behavior towards him in telling him to shut up until he stopped talking was even remotely not okay. You’re the only one flinging insults, and you’re the only one being any degree of hostile.

You also continuously go on and on and on about ‘m is abusive and manipulative!!’ and yet. you have not given a single legitimate example of any sort of abuse or manipulation, you haven’t given any examples at all actually, because there are none to be given.

I however, pointed out behaviors you displayed that are not only incredibly manipulative, but incredibly shitty as well. You’ve ignored every single point I made and done nothing but deflect with ‘no im not!!’

Ultimatums? the pinnacle of manipulation - you are literally manipulating someones emotions in the hopes that their emotions towards you are strong than the person who you are trying to force them to remove from their life under the disguise of a ‘choice’.

Baseless accusations of abuse and manipulation towards others, which are never backed by any sort of example. Doing nothing but repeating ‘well he’s abusive and manipulative bc he is’? Also manipulative behavior, you are actively trying to make someone second guess their perception of someone else because you don’t like them.

Denying that you did anything at all and making yourself out to be the victim with no admittance of what you did wrong in the situation? Denying you did that thing in the first place and trying to make people question if it even happened in the first place? Manipulative as fuck my dude. There’s a term for that, it’s called gaslighting, it’s one of the most basic pillars of manipulation and emotional abuse.

Twisting the entire situation to be completely different from what actually happened? Abusive and manipulative, also a form of gaslighting! You talk about this as if anyone in the group had any idea that you were offended by the jokes we made - you literally never mentioned it until after the situation. You made absolutely no previous comments on it, no previous voicing of your concerns or discomfort happened. The thing that caused M to kick you out of the group and subsequently not add you back was that he got tired of you being rude to him and telling him to shut up when he had an opinion on literally anything. He got tired of you saying your piece and then shutting down anyone who tried to give theirs.

You know how I can recognize and point out these behaviors with full confidence when someone displays them?? I fucking grew up with this shit. Every single fucking day for 16 years my stepfather did all of the above and more until I questioned and second guessed every single tiny thing I did. It has taken me years of (still ongoing) therapy and overcoming the PTSD he gave me to finally be able to do things without second guessing myself every 5 seconds. I am very very familiar with manipulative and abusive behaviors. I know how to spot them. I know how to determine if someone is displaying these behaviors. Of course, even if you do read this you’ll just sit there and continue denying any wrong you did. You’ll continue to pretend that you were completely blameless, and blame what i said above as ‘m being manipulative and putting the idea in your head’ even though he’s currently at corgis and hasn’t been online.

You’ll continue to regard me as some sort of child who’s clearly too stupid to realize when she’s being manipulated and needs someone to come in and save her. And you’ll continue to think that just because our group makes offensive jokes among ourselves that somehow reflects our actual opinions even though most people have a basic understanding that jokes are not inherently indicative of your beliefs. Contrary to what tumblr might have you believe, you can enjoy something in a fictional or joking setting but find the actual real life instances of it abhorrent. It’s like a titanic joke - yeah, people died. yeah, it was a terrible tragedy. but it happened already. it’s already over and done with and there’s nothing you can change about that. You can acknowledge that it was terrible and also enjoy a shitty meme about it. you can do both of those things. you can indeed make a joke about a terrible event in the past without thinking that thing was or is okay to do.

You’ll continue to think he’s big and mean for making mental illness jokes to and around me even though I actively encouraged him to join me in making such jokes because I find them funny and, weird as it may be to some people, they also make me feel better about having those problems.

You will, basically, continue to ignore the fact that we don’t take those jokes outside of our group because we know not everyone enjoys them or finds them funny/in good taste. You will continue to act like you are a beacon of morality who’s job is to go around and enlighten people who enjoy offensive jokes (protip: its not. all of us in the group are adults. we’re not rowdy children going around being obnoxious. we’re 4 adults making jokes in our own personal space because we know not everyone wants to hear those jokes.)

but honestly, if you can’t understand the basic concept that someone can make a joke about something without condoning it, i really don’t know what to tell you other than to stop using tumblr as your moral compass.

#dramallama #dunno why im bothering with this lmao #mostly to get the last bit of this shit out i guess #tumblr is honestly the worst place you could look for moral guidance so i really hope you're not getting all of your ideas and morals from h #*here

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