So I've watched the first three seasons of TDP a while ago, randomly decided it needed a rewatch, somehow realised it got two additional seasons while i wasn't looking and now I need a place to vent my random thoughts.
I watched around a season a day and i just have to watch the se3 finale tomorrow and I'll catch up with what I've seen so far. When I see the 4th and 5th seasons I'll probably going to start spewing a lot of random shit so beware.
First of all. FIRST EPISODE AND CLAUDIA IS READING LOVE AMONGST THE DRAGONS?!
Second. I shipped Amaya and Janai hard the first time around already but this is so good. Like Janai's sister dying? Prolly my favourite scene so far. (Btw I'm spoiler free for seasons 4 and 5 except i googled ship name for them and saw a picture of them kissing so i know that's canon. Would honestly feel cheated and insulted if it wasn't.) Also the translator is such a cinnamon roll.
There are sooo many lovable characters in this series. I love Amaya and Soren most I think but everyone has such good arcs!!
Like Claudia being manipuated by Viren? I really like how her corruption comes from her love for Viren. I also loved how Soren is seen as the slower one out of them but she's more naive when it comes to their father.
The scene where Soren leaves her and she says "Don’t make me choose! Not again."? Right in the feels man.
Also sending my love to Bait! The guy deserves some love! I felt really bad for him during that scene on the ship when he felt like he was replaced by Zym and then when Callum invited him to come and he was so happy?? Like my heart? And then he basically goes and becomes a parental figure to Zym.
Oh that reminds me. What was the captain's name? I can't remember but i recognised it in those texts in the beginning when important people who work on the series are written so. Fun.
Also Gren is so random but I hope we'll see more of him. Loved his friendship with Amaya even if it had like two minutes of screentime.
I'm trying to think of everything that went through my head during the watching. Um.
Oh! Aaravos (is that correct?) What's up with that dude? And I didn't go back to check but in Harrow's letter to Callum he said that cube is a key sth connected to Aavaros and that he's a powerful mage and knows all six arcanums? So I'm wondering where that'll go. But he'll prolly be the final villain instead of Viren? We'll see ig. And a stupid thought but i just imagined him being somehow stuck in the cube? And my brain automatically got the idea that to open it all six sides must be activated(glowing) at the same time? I dunno what my brain is on atm but this exists in my head now.
And what happened with Ezran's abdication? Like why did he do it? What did anyone gain from that? Were the others supposed to leave them alone just because he did it? Dunno.
Also Aanya is so cool. Really love how she has a brain you know?
Also who was the guy who first deserted when the option was offered? Cause I know we saw him before but idk where. Wait he's not the guy Rayla spared is he? That would make some sense but i know we see the guy who deserts at least once in the throne room? I'm confused.
Also all kings and queens are dead so who's leading all the other armies beside Kasef(is it Kasef?)? Why don't we meet them?
Also Corvus is great and I love how he just goes along with everything Ezran does. You're a weird king Ezran.
This is so random but how was that vet supposed to know how fast an unhatched dragon's heartbeat is supposed to be? Just seemed funny to me.
Also i think the first time around i didn't like Soren in the beginning but now i loved him from the first scene when he helps Callum show off in front of Claudia.
I'll be back in the morning but right now I'll have to finish this rant cause i went to bed like two hours ago and couldn't sleep so this happened lmao.
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will you talk about Louis and Claudia? it doesn't have to be hcs, just in general. they're so tragic :(
what are your thoughts on father-daughter relationship between Louis and Claudia, since I have always loved those and she is basically my favorite character? Thank you :)
Aaaahhh Louis and Claudia 😭 As a fandom we should talk about them more. Traumatic parental relationships and the tragedy of child loss are such important themes in Interview and honestly...Claudia is one of the only decent female characters AR ever wrote. Their relationship, for all its flaws, is so touching.
As unfortunate as the situation around acquiring Claudia is, I love how pure and immediate Louis' love for her is. It really feels like a father witnessing a birth or an adoption when she's turned. Certainly he relays his horror over Lestat's actions, but the way he describes the scene reads like some miraculous creation. The focus is on the sweetness of Claudia's voice, the pink of her cheeks, the things she said and how she said them. The love is so much stronger than the horror. It's an excellent juxtaposition for dramatic effect (the monstrous act through a loving lens) but it's also such a touching introduction to how Louis' love for Claudia always transcends the awfulness of their situation.
I really love how easily Louis takes to fatherhood in general and how fundamentally it changes his worldview and his perception of self. Up to that point in the story, he's become more of a representation of an idea rather than a person. When he finds Claudia, that changes. His whole world stops, crisis and all, and he goes to the side of a crying child to comfort her. This is how he describes his thoughts:
Am I dammed? If so, why do I feel such pity for her, for her gaunt face? Why do I wish to touch her tiny, soft arms, hold her now on my knee as I am doing, feel her bend her head to my chest as I gently touch the satin hair? Why do I do this? If I am damned I must want to kill her, I must want to make her nothing but food for a cursed existence, because being damned I must hate her.
All at once, Louis begins questioning the one thing he'd been so certain of—his own damnation—as the love of a parent blossoms in him. Claudia coaxes out, by her existence alone, the part of Louis that isn't a monster or a martyr but simply a human, or the human that once was. Claudia and Louis allow each other to exist separately from their own struggles and their own monstrosity in a way I think is a saving grace for them both for as long as it lasts.
While Claudia is around, Louis can give himself permission to step outside of his own constructed misery for the benefit of his daughter (something he can't move on from for his own sake). This version of Louis reads fairytales and listens to music, he helps Lestat perform little plays and banters with his family as they go on outings. He establishes far healthier feeding habits as she brings stability and joy to his life. He (more or less) saved her from dying of plague or starvation in a dirt cottage, but she returned a life to him that I don't think he had any other way of accessing.
I also find it very emotional how throughout the story, Louis is extremely controlled and reserved and then that's turned on its head when Claudia is taken. He hates his vampire powers and uses them as little as possible, but the one time where he truly becomes a mindless monster is when Claudia is ripped from him by the theater vampires. The movie does a really good job with this actually, showing Louis hissing and spitting and clawing, biting anything he can reach and fighting with his full strength. It's a short clip, but very startling and a viscerally honest depiction of a parent's love.
As tragic as Louis' arc with Lestat is over the course of Interview, it's really the corruption of innocent parent-child love that I find most devastating. The circumstances of the book really do a great job of putting this parental alienation into very literal terms. It's heartbreaking to read because so much of their story rings so true for people who have complicated relationships with a parent. I'll talk about Claudia and Lestat another time (there's so much to explore relating to generational trauma and cycles of abuse), but she and Louis have a very nuanced and bittersweet dynamic.
Their relationship starts off so simple. She loves him, he's her hero, and he loves her in return. He's not perfect, his flaws as a father are very obvious, but she doesn't see them. She only sees her dad. Things change as she grows though. She, like many other kids, starts to see the ways in which her father's trauma and baggage has impacted her. She gains a greater understanding of what it means it be hurt by a parent unintentionally, but hurt nonetheless. His motivations and good intent don't undo the irreversible damage she's suffered without even realizing it at the time. Louis describes her realization that he, not just Lestat, killed her here:
She stood beneath a lamp post, staring mutely, as if she didn't know me. I took her small waist in both hand; and lifted her into the light. She studied me, her face contorted, her head turning as if she wouldn't give me her direct glance, as if she must deflect an overpowering feeling of revulsion. `You killed me,' she whispered `You took my life!'
In that moment, she loses her innocence, she sees her father for the intrinsically flawed being he is and understands his hand in dealing her the pain she endures. I think this is the case for many children. The love shared with a parent becomes far more complicated when we realize that our personal struggles don't exist in a vacuum and the person you idolized is not an infallible savior, but actually partly or fully responsible for making you as you are.
She storms off, but soon after she returns, telling Louis they're "locked together in hatred [of Lestat]". That too is heartbreaking because this reconciliation doesn't reset things to how they were. She's woken up and can't go back to ignorance. Their relationship is forever changed into something more cynical. Suddenly their love is hung on this mutual resentment of a third party (the other parent, another common dynamic in our world) instead of existing in its innocent form. They love each other, but the love has shifted on Claudia's end to be based on this shared anger, it's adapted to survive. Like many children who grow up affected by a parent's trauma or mental illness, the love isn't erased, but neither is the harm.
Anyway, I could go on but I'll leave it there for now!
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The Dragon Prince characters and their possible Radiant orders
Disclaimer--for the love of everything holy, please keep these wonderful characters away from Roshar, they've got enough going on without introducing them to the trauma shitstorm (pun intended) that are the Knights Radiant. That said, enjoy
Callum: Elsecaller, and I will fight you on this. His character arc through all three seasons heavily features reaching his potential, even when almost everyone is telling him what he’s attempting is impossible. And he wouldn’t be able to swear the Lightweaver ideals, even if they’ve got the whole art thing going on
Rayla: despite being the member of the cast who even approaches the level of trauma of the Knights Radiant (other than post-season 3 Claudia probably), I think we all know she'd be the one to bond a deadeye. My other thought is Willshaper; a very compelling argument could be made for Windrunner, but I think Willshaper also fits and that she’d be happier and more fulfilled
Ezran: my baby boy is a Bondsmith and I couldn't be more proud. Source: his entire season 3 arc. (Plus, he canonically has an empathic bond with the most powerful creature in the world--who by the way is a storm dragon.)
Viren: corrupted Lightweaver
Claudia: corrupted Elsecaller, which has the added bonus of being a splendid foil for Callum. (Also, the idea of her flitting in and out of Shadesmar at will? Absolutely terrifying)
Soren: Stoneward, though I would not be surprised if he also bonded a deadeye
Amaya: I'm torn between Windrunner and Stoneward
Aaravos: he's not a Radiant, he's a fucking Fused
Runaan: Skybreaker
Lujanne: Lightweaver, obviously
Ellis: Lightweaver (though I want to say Edgedancer bc she reminds me of Lift, they would be friends and everyone would be terrified for their dinners)
Corvus: This one’s hard, but I’m going with Skybreaker
Opeli: Truthwatcher
Aanya: Dustbringer
Ethari: Willshaper
Harrow: Also hard, but probably Stoneward. Thoughts?
Sarai: Windrunner
Gren: Edgedancer
Janai: Dustbringer
Villads: Honestly he’s probably Hoid. But if not, Willshaper
Ibis: we know very little about him? I got nothing. Anyone?
Barius: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Marcos: Stoneward?
Kazi: I have literally no clue
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Claudia—Just what’s so bad about Dark Magic anyway?
Ah, Claudia. Everyone’s favorite dorky Dark Mage. Even as she continues her journey to villainy, we can’t help but find her at least a little adorable.
She’s undoubtedly likable, which makes a lot of what she does even more unsettling. We’re used to villains like Viren, who are so obviously villains even if they have somewhat good intentions.
But Claudia? She seems to have a good heart and cares about people outside of simply what they can do for her. Even if she may not reciprocate Callum’s feelings, she’s still clearly fond of him.
In S2, she’s genuinely supportive of her brother, telling him that them being alive matters more than succeeding in their missions. She also comforts Ezran and even helps mend his relationship with Callum, reminding him just how lucky they are to have each other.
As I lay out here, Claudia very much resembles Callum in the earlier chapters; both are bookish nerds, adorably awkward, and with an affinity towards magic. And while Callum starts to move away from this resemblance, we can see why Claudia is so likable.
Claudia can be caring and sweet. That’s why it’s so tragic and painful to watch her continue to cross moral lines, to the point that she is now thoroughly antagonistic to Team Zym, with any hope of total redemption being slim at best.
Now, I can’t talk about Claudia without first talking about Dark Magic. You see, while Dark Magic is terrible, the show doesn’t explicitly lay out exactly why it’s terrible. It merely illustrates how it works, portrays people using it for a variety of reasons, and then lets the audience decide how it feels about it. This is all intentional—Aaron and Justin have expressly stated they didn’t want to push too hard on the point that Dark Magic is wrong, instead leaving it for fans to make up their own minds. As a result, some fans sincerely believe there’s nothing wrong with it.
And that’s why we have Claudia. Someone who is sweet and sincere, relatable enough that you picture being friends with.
Someone who also sees nothing wrong with Dark Magic, defends using it, and even tries to use it for supposedly good reasons.
Because there’s no explicit reason given for why Dark Magic is so uniquely evil, the onus is on us, the viewers, to figure this out on our own.
There have been several fan attempts at explaining why Dark Magic is so bad, but for me, at least, I always felt we were missing something.
It might be wrong because it requires Dark Mages to sacrifice innocent creatures. But then again, humans in the real world consume animals all the time.
The logical response to this is that unlike, for instance, eating, Dark Magic is not natural nor necessary. However, we do all sorts of unnatural things with animals as well. For instance, we’ve created animal glue, whale oil for lamps, and leather from cattle. We’ve used creatures as working animals as well as for their cells to develop cures and vaccines. Without arguing that Dark Magic is defensible, this just helps illustrate the larger point that there must be something else that makes Dark Magic worse than any of this.
Another argument I’ve heard is that it permanently destroys magical habitats. The reason why the Human Kingdoms are much less magical than Xadia is that Dark Mages have poached and pillaged all the creatures they could. This could all very well be true, but it’s also what human beings do on the regular in the real world; as a rule, wherever industrial civilization lays down its roots, animal extinctions follow, intentionally or not. If Dark Magic is supposed to be an indictment of the way our society works today and the ecological problems we’ve caused, then we deserve it.
But many of us (hopefully) are working to change that, even if it means making life harder for us. The solution to climate change ultimately comes in the form of learning to live sustainably and in harmony with the world around us. One day, we’ll find a balance to our way of life, but if we can, why can’t Dark Mages? Why can’t Dark Magic users learn to moderate and regulate their behavior the way we could, and sustainably find ways to use the same magic that elves and dragons take for granted?
It also doesn’t help that characters who hate Dark Magic the most are also hypocritical about it. Sol Regem argues that Dark Magic causes the death of innocent creatures…while threatening to burn down a city filled with innocent people. Perhaps he opposes Dark Magic, not for ethical or benevolent reasons, but because it shifts the balance of power too much in favor of these so-called “lesser beings.” So, we can’t take his assessment of Dark Magic with anything more than a grain of salt.
But, at the end of the day, Dark Magic is a bad thing. Even if we can’t place our finger on exactly why, we know there’s just something wrong with it.
And that’s where Claudia comes in.
She too doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with Dark Magic— Why should she? It’s no different than anything else humans do, it helps keep people alive, and keeps us from starving and being helpless. Whether you eat them or take their magic, they’re just a resource.
But over time, as she relies more on Dark Magic as her universal problem-solver, we see her cross more and more ethical boundaries.
In most of the first two seasons, Claudia’s uses of Dark Magic come entirely from whatever she happens to carry in her bag or little critters she finds here or there.
And, for the most part, she tries to do the right thing. Claudia understands how powerful Zym could one day become, and from her perspective, there is a risk that he could, in her words, reign “death and destruction down on all of us.”
Claudia honestly believes that finding the Dragon Prince and bringing the princes home is what’s best for Katolis. Initially, she believes that Rayla had kidnapped the boys, and later she still insists her actions are for the greater good.
She’s willing to cross certain lines, such as manipulating and betraying Callum and Ezran, but shows signs that she regrets doing so.
But she starts off at crossing these relatively smaller moral lines, before working her way to more reprehensible behaviors. By the end of S2, she crosses a line when she uses a living creature to cure Soren’s paralysis.
After this moment, we see that she’s willing to justify an ever-growing list of horrible actions without any regrets. Whether it’s overthrowing and imprisoning Ezran, wiping out Lux Aurea, or turning the entire army into mindless rage-fueled minions, and even possibly letting Viren’s illusion strike down Ezran.
By the time she resurrects Viren, most likely by using a poor unfortunate elf who stumbled upon her, she’s past the point of feeling remorse for what she feels she has to do.
And why?
She places all of her faith in Viren because he’s family. She values her family above all else, and finds that Dark Magic is an easy, reliable way to keep it all together.
As a result, her character’s arc helps show what’s fundamentally wrong with Dark Magic—because it’s such an easy fix to all her problems, Claudia is tempted to lean on Dark Magic in more unethical ways.
In Lord Acton’s famous maxim, power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And Dark Magic is power incarnate.
Dark Magic is far more versatile than Primal Magic. Whereas Primal Magic lets a mage use spells by harmonizing with nature, Dark Magic is simply about harnessing power in its raw form.
It’s not merely a shortcut that lets you bypass having an Arcanum or a Primal Stone. Certain practices within Dark Magic are not possible elsewhere.
If Callum had mastered Sky Magic by the time Rayla goes to save Pyrrah, he could have made short work of Soren and his forces with his winged form, but actually freeing the dragon from its chains would have still been no easy task.
But with Dark Magic, all Callum needed was a spell. A single spell and the chains are turned into snakes. The soldiers are driven away, and the dragon is free.
You can’t do that with Primal Magic.
We haven’t seen a limit to what Dark Magic can do for you, provided you have the materials. It can swap souls.
Or take them.
It can provide safe passage across the Breach.
It could taint or even destroy sources of Primal Magic.
Dark Magic isn’t bad just because it relies on sacrificing creatures. It’s bad because it tempts users with the power to redesign and reorganize the fabric of the world around them, potentially at the expense of Primal Sources themselves.
Dark!Callum sums up this temptation perfectly:
“You can have unlimited power. And you can choose what to do with that power. You can make a real difference in the world!”
And sadly, it’s a temptation that Claudia falls for time and time again. Once Claudia wields this power, she’s tempted to abuse it, even if it just begins as an attempt to protect her loved ones. And the more she abuses it, the harder it is to stop.
She shows that the temptation to use Dark Magic and how it distorts the world is what makes the practice so terrible and so terrifying that it shouldn’t be used in any circumstance.
@batfamfan1(who gave me permission to bring up our conversation here) had argued that Claudia’s use of Dark Magic was different from Viren and Aaravos, because she at least uses Dark Magic for good (or what she sees as good). That is, she cures or protects her family.
However, I’d argue that it’s not as simple as that. Claudia indeed sacrifices a deer because she wanted to cure Soren, but had she ever considered what Soren wanted? There’s a reason why, for instance, doctors disclose all relevant facts and treatments to a patient and let them make an informed decision, even if the doctor believes only one of those treatments is the best option. It’s not just about a cure, it’s about the agency of the patient. This becomes even more important when it’s not a professional responsibility to a patient, but a duty to respect the free will of someone you love.
Claudia never respects Soren’s agency. Even when he’s come to terms with his condition, she has not. She wants to keep trying to find a cure even while he’s beginning to move on. And, when she does find a cure, she never tells him about it beforehand, never tells him what it would cost, and never tries to get his approval.
This is different from Rayla in 2x08 who, in spite of knowing it’s a bad idea to let Ezran leave on his own, lets him go. Or Callum, who, in spite of thinking that Rayla staying on the Spire is a bad idea, simply lays out all the relevant information to Rayla and lets her make the decision for herself.
This is because, when you love or care about someone, that has to include letting them make their own choices, even if you don’t agree.
Claudia never does this with Soren because, again, it’s not about him, but about her. She has a personal need, however tragic, to keep her family together and healthy.
She’ll do what she can to fill that need, even if she has to play goddess to do so.
For that reason, she isn’t using Dark Magic for someone else’s benefit but her own. Much like Viren, whose stated goal to defend humanity was really just a cover for his desire to be powerful, Claudia’s goal to protect her family is really about protecting her state of mind. To do that, she needs to become powerful as well.
Her inability to see just what’s wrong with Dark Magic, combined with her need to maintain this portrait of a healthy family alive, means she will always be tempted to try another Dark Magic spell that will simply cure everything and will never look back once she tries it.
This is different than, for instance, Callum. As I describe here, he’s seen the world that Rayla shows him and begins to see magic the way she does. It’s not a tool; it’s a phenomenon, a vibrance or a spirit to things.
He understands, at least in an unstated way, that there’s something fundamentally wrong about Dark Magic, because it threatens that vibrancy.
Interestingly, unlike Claudia, who sees it as an easy solution to everything, Callum is suspicious because it’s too easy:
“But that’s just it! Too easy! Even though I know it’s wrong.”
Because of this, Claudia’s character arc helps illuminate what’s wrong with Dark Magic, even if the show doesn’t go out of its way to tell us. It’s a temptation for people who want to be powerful, and it makes them just powerful enough to abuse it.
And before you know it, you’ve lost your way.
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