#fredbo

[tubchunk]

q!tubbo, fred, and how far are you willing to go?

So I have THOUGHTS about the lore today :D

FIRSTLY:

When watching the stream, I was so convinced that the letter Fred left asking q!Tubbo on a date was fake, a trap by the federation. But now, realising that it was actually genuine, it was a real desire they expressed, and q!Tubbo never lost faith once that he meant that invitation, breaks my heart. I don't know when Fred realised that their feelings may be something other than just friendly (if they even are completrly), but I bet the movie date and q!Tubbo's endless kindness and patience towards her is what made them want to push a bit further. I wouldn't be surprised if Fred forgets about the Federation, what they have done, and what their position means, when they're talking to, thinking about, or simply with q!Tubbo. Because he never treats him as "Federation Worker WA02". They're Fred. They're someone who exchanges letters with a curious, kindhearted, chaotic engineer, using flowers to communicate things too large to put into words on a page. That's who they are when picking up the letter where q!Tubbo says yes to a date, telling him to pick him up whenever.

But then, like with q!Pierre, q!Quackity comes and kidnaps him, and that stark reality returns. Because to the other islanders, he is a Federation employee, working for an organization that has hurt, tortured and manipulated the people of the island to the point of memory loss and trauma. In q!Pierre's case, Fred was DIRECTLY involved in what happened to him, and to q!Quackity, he is the symbol of what took everything from him. They don't care about what Fred may be like away from the office, he is an employee of the vessel of their worst nightmares. This isn't usually a problem for them, he defaults to the persona she must adopt as a high-ranking employee, with no fear and curt responses that don't reveal much.

Until they bring q!Tubbo into their threats.

And that shakes them up, something in them twists. Not him, he has nothing to do with any of this. Fred says that every time, cuz to them, q!Tubbo is the part of their life that is untainted by the things he has done as a Federation employee. He's the boy who taught him what a friend was, who always wished he was healthy in every letter he wrote, who promised to protect him with what little he had cuz he cared. They have never seen q!Tubbo as anything other than kind, patient, and understanding. He needs them to stay separate, both for q!Tubbo's safety, but also his own. Because they think the moment q!Tubbo finds out what he has done, he thinks he'll leave. Why would someone as kind as him stay by his side after finding out they're a monster?

But q!Tubbo isn't exactly what Fred thinks he is, either.

The same boy who excitedly showed him Wall-E in the cinema, who picked flowers to give him every time they wrote, is also the one who laughed down the barrel of Cucurucho's gun pointed at him, before making his escape. He's snuck into the Fed office multiple times and broken into all its parts, he's broken several rules and continues to do so without a care. HE WENT TO THE NETHER !!! HE LAVACASTED A FED BUILDING!! MAJORITY OF THE ISLAND CURRENTLY WANTS HIM THROWN BEHIND BARS AND HE DOESN'T CARE !!!

Quackity (the cc) had said during the Brazil meetup streams that following events would push the people of the server to see how far they would be willing to go. And I can so clearly see how this would factor in for fred and qtubbo's arc.

Fred has been convinced by q!Quackity that q!Tubbo now hates him. But he doesn't know that, despite q!Quackity trying everything, q!Tubbo refused to be angry at Fred. His faith in them is unwavering TO A FAULT. And he has said before, he does not CARE whether Fred has hurt people or harmed them, because that's his friend (cough cough partner). He knows Fred better than anyone else, and would not think to abandon him through anything. And if he's done bad things? q!Tubbo would not care, he'd probably be willing to walk down into hell with Fred's hand in his if it came to it. Who's to say, to get Fred back, q!Tubbo wouldn't snitch to the Federation? Anything to get the one he cares about back. He promised to protect them. That's how far he's willing to go. Even if it means everyone on the island hates him even more. If it's Fred, he's willing to do it.

q!Tubbo would be willing to burn all his bridges if it meant keeping him and Fred warm.

i was kinda disappointed with the lore today cuz i had hoped it would be more qtubbo centric, but i guess shit must havebeen shifted around cuz tubbo is travelling and it wasnt the best convenience for him but PRAYINGGGGG they do something with this and qtubbo gets his true neutral/villain arc for fred toxic yuri coded frubbo are so real to me

#qsmp tubbo #qsmp #fred qsmp #qsmp theory #qsmp lore #qsmp character analysis #frubbo #fredbo #i went a bit insane with the lore analysis can you tell frubbo have consumed my mind

[coffeetoffeeart]

uni drives me crazy but frubbo drives me crazier

#if fred resembles cranboo to you no he doesn't (yes he does i'm insane) #qsmp #qsmp fanart #qsmp tubbo #q!tubbo #qsmp fred #q!fred #frubbo #fredbo #qsmp shipping #<- implied #traditional art #sketch #graphite art #fan art #m'art #id in alt text

[mentally-retired]

i am so excited for the q!tubbo arc when he finds out q!quackity killed fred where he absolutely ruins quackitys life like I want tubbo to go off the hinges

i want him to be just as bad as the fed and even work with them maybe, maybe hell make sure quackity never wakes up from his coma or maybe he will just so he can make his life a living hell i want him to make the mind games he did before look like baby work on comparison cus i need freds death to kill the last bit of holding back that tubbo has

#fred x tubbo #qsmp tubbo #tubbo qsmp #tubbo x fred #tubbo #q!tubbo #q!quackity #qsmp federation #fred qsmp #qsmp fred #qsmp frubbo #fredbo #frubbo #pen pals #penpalduo #penpals qsmp #qsmp #tubbo revenge arc

[tubborucho]

Fred: *makes a report on a library*

Tubbo: He liiiikes me, he liiiiiiiiiiikes me

#liss writes posts #tubbo liveblogging #qsmp #fredbo #frubbo

[stuffthatsrandomish]

I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS

#my post #qsmp #tubbo #qsmp fred #fredbo #idk the duo name

[toobbolive]

okay but I need tubbo to interrogate elquackity as if he's quackity, even if he's aware it's not the real quackity, i need him to try to learn if fred's still on the island, if he actually betrayed him, if he's okay, if he's wondering if tubbo did abandon him as he's starving to death in his cell. if he's dying. if he's alone.

#qsmp liveblog #qsmp #qsmp tubbo #qsmp fred #fredbo #what is their pairing name #tubfred? #WHATEVER confrontation please

[qpenpals]

bhahahhaha tubbo wants to save ron bc it’s causing fred hell and making fred not respond to his messages

#clingy lol #this is hillarious to me #qsmp #qsmp liveblog #frubbo #pen pals #fredbo

[zombiepillar]

Finally some proper posting Liking the new style for more art stuff (Also Fredbo solos y’know) . . .

#oc #originalcharacter #othersocs #dhmis #dhmisocs #dhmisoc #dhmisocart #digitalillustration #digitalart #ocart

[doodlebloo]

Oh my god I was in class during a category 5 q!Fredbo moment

#doodle.txt

[phatcatphergus]

sadly, i don't think the admin is intending to make fred toxic. chayanne and tallulah's admins made it seen on phil's stream like they are lots of happy lore planned. and the comments they made (do i honestly have to repeat myself/how are you so smart yet so dumb, etc) sound exactly like the kind of "cutesy" exasperation you hear people say when talking about/to someone who struggles with tone. it's really demeaning, and i'm disappointed to see it from tallulah's admin who has previously been on-the-ball regarding disability issues (her character is disabled!) hopefully they just cut that shit out from now on. i thought the miscommunication about strip mining was handled much better. i found it very cute (maybe a bit of secondhand embarrassment). i really appreciated tubbo realizing he's been misunderstood, addressing it, and actually explaining the context in full for the admin (even if it put him in awkward position) so maybe they follow that model in the future. i'm still sad tubbo's lore got retconned but i think he was previously excited to do fredbo relationship stuff and trust him to keep his character in mind even if no one else does. i just hope he doesn't have to deal with this shit again!!

I don't think they meant to make Fred toxic either unfortunately :/

Which is what confuses me the most about the whole interaction. Within lore, Fred knew that Tubbo had problems with tone and his dyslexia. Fred even teased Tubbo before when he poked fun at him for how he asked about Fred's age.

I can see where you're coming from with the way the comments sounded. I agree that they come off that way, especially to someone who went through the wringer today with the chat and donos. To me, they came across as very toxic and manipulative because of my own experiences of how toxic people treated me. The way that Fred made the entire miscommunication Tubbo's fault. The way that he threatened to leave when Tubbo didn't seem that interested. The way that he called his interpretation of the letter dumb and that he needed to repeat himself because Tubbo was too dumb to understand it and the way that he said maybe Tubbo would rather Fred be kidnapped and starved to accept the date made me feel incredibly icky.

I genuinely hope the admin realized how everything sounded after the fact and I hope that they're able to work through further miscommunication like with the strip mining bit. I hope that Tubbo is able to continue his lore how he intends and that he doesn't feel like the fans would rather see him get back together with Fred and everything is perfect than where he was going with it originally.

It's just so sad to me that the admin is aware and portrays disabilities regularly but missed the mark so badly with this. I think there are a few factors that play into this but overall I hope that they see the critique through the insane frubbo diehards and see how their tone and mannerisms could be interpreted.

#anon asks #qsmp crit #qsmp neg #I also wonder if the admin has a specific view of him because they're a long time fan of other servers and streamers

[baginainlove]

Anyways so fredbo nation are we joever or,..??

#qsmp fred #im holding out hope for an 'its complicated' arc can we all hold hands pretty please

[heartstoppermybeloved]

Whos my favorite #dsmp #qsmp #fredbo #tubbo #heartstopper #kitconner #joelocke #willgal Edited by VideoGuru:https://ift.tt/YVbEWpe. via YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWR6lQ_d2c

#heartstopper

[tibllec]

FREDBO DATE YIPPEE

#liveblogging

[mentally-retired]

i wanna say i am a q!quackity apologist but im actually a fred apologist above all and then a q!tubbo apologist, i love q!quackity but the gay dragon is sad and now i want q!tubbo to see q!quackity burn to save his kinda sorta boyfriend

#tubbo #tubbo qsmp #qsmp tubbo #qsmp #q!tubbo #frubbo #fredbo #fred qsmp #qsmp members #qsmp federation #penpalduo #penpals qsmp #pen pals #penpal #q!quackity

[tubborucho]

Guys. So you are aware. I am awaiting Frubbo fanfiction after today. Thanks.

#liss writes posts #tubbo liveblogging #frubbo #fredbo

[qjackmanifold]

soooooo fredbo endgame