#flattening stays

[badassindistress]

do you perhaps have a pattern for that gentleman's corset? asking for a friend

Hi!

Unfortunately, I do not have a pattern to give you, but I do have a way for you/your friend to draft your own.

(If you really do just want a ready pattern, I'm pretty sure my #binding stays or #flattening stays tags include some etsy shops that have binders with corsetry methods)

I'm presuming you are here because that 5 year old post of the binder with elizabethan stays method is going around again (left). I've also since made a pair of stays that flatten nicely as well (right).

The left pattern was drafted with the free Custom Corset Pattern Generator from elizabethancostume.net. You just input a little extra breathing room in the waist and the bust measurement you can comfortably squish your chest down to.

However, that was many years ago and I have since had more success using a Mariah Pattie's circular drafting technique. It has so much less measuring and math and it gave me a better fit.

Here's my post on that technique, along with her video.

And here's my post amending that to a binder instead of stays.

In short, all you need is:

a large piece of paper

a string

a pen

a measuring tape and

the measurement of your waist circumference

the measurement of your chest bound down circumference

the measurement of the vertical distance between your waist and chest.

You draw out the pattern following the video + my explanation post (this takes me about 30 minutes vs the hour or two for drafting the usual way). Then I make it longer with a cm or two at the bottom and at least 3 cm on top. One change I've made since that post was to pinch out a little dart at the arms to make it lie smoother under clothes. One day I'm going to experiment with adding straps to this design, but today is not that day.

I kept mine quite low, because I wanted a 18th century round chested look, but with straps and longer stays you could probably go flatter (depending on how much you have to flatten of course).

This is what it looks like under a waistcoat tailored according to a menswear manual:

i'll also drop here the posts of other people who've I've talked about their binders using corsetry and tailoring methods: horsehair canvas summer binder, there's another one about how convenient ribbons are for easy adjustment but i can't find it (EDIT: found it!)

Good luck and do let me know if you've advanced this research any further!

#the stays are for a femme in historical gentleman's clothes looks #both are first tries #and fine for an afternoon #but not fitted enough to me for daily wear #but that's mostly because of my back issues #the chest compression bit is fine #this is as ever a work in progress #let me know if i need to explain some other things #i've been planning for about a year to draft a new pattern and collect all the information in one post #but again #not today #hope this helps! #binding stays #flattening stays #gentleman's corset

[ahaura]

i managed not to start an argument or yell at my brother. and HE was the one who was told "not to get political at christmas" this time. 4948938493 XP granted

#ahvañe #we WERE going to watch one of the lotr movies as a family but luckily 2/4 of us were too tired to stay up #it feels like the space inside of my lungs has been flattened out. like i can still breathe but i just feel. drained. #AND my jaw hurts. bec i clench it when i am angry. aha. #anyway im gonna watch an episode of hse md with my mom and them go to bed. #i send my love out to you all o7

[legovasavouchi]

Miss HB rockin her hack job hair cut & crummy "support boot" i gave her... Yet still glam as ever as she approaches her 12th birthday

#chickens #goblin critters #honey badger #shes getting up there in years so i gotta brace for the inevitable #but she's been such a fixture in the flock it feels like she should be immortal #the boot is bc she was knuckle walking for no clear reason #just toes not working right? #so i flattened them out & she's motoring around like nuthin #can't tell u how many times i had to re-do that boot until i got a version that actually stayed on...

[tcfactory]

What do you think about the whole rapist Bingqiu situation? You made a comment about it under one of your posts.

Okay, this is going to be a bit long. The tl;dr. is: I really don't care either way tbh.

On the comment I kinda jumped the gun a bit, because I recently got my hands on the books (finally, they were supposed to get here in December) and I read the extras first, because I haven't read them before and was too curious about them. And I really quite dislike the Wedding extra, but I dislike it because I don't enjoy how MXTX writes sex scenes in general, not because of anything it's about. Is the scene rape? Eh no, on second read Shen Qingqiu never withdraws his consent, despite having a shit time. Having a bad first time w/ shit communication is not a crime, especially between these two idiots.

Would Binghe have stopped if he did withdraw his consent and outright told him to stop? I don't really think so, no. Like, you can say all you want about Shen Qingqiu never being direct with what he wants and playing hard to get and wanting to be coaxed along with this gay shit, but that's something we, the readers, know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember it ever being established as something that Binghe knows for sure - and with how hot and cold Shen Qingqiu was to him all this time, how he still hides behind his masks even at the end, I don't think "I just assumed you were playing hard to get" is good enough. So the possibility of him hurting Shen Qingqiu despite not meaning to is still very much there. Ignoring the withdrawal of consent is still rape regardless of Binghe's intentions - and we all know how deep Shen Qingqiu can get in his own head when he thinks about denying Binghe something he feels that 'the protagonist deserves' now that he regards himself as the harem stand-in, he would not fight him off if Binghe seems adamant to have him even if he says no.

And honestly that's fine. It's one of those things they need to work on post-canon. You could write a pretty neat hurt-comfort fic around it imo, of Binghe getting so jealous one day that he falls in that pitfall, and the reparations and open direct communication they need to do afterwards. Or just ignore it altogether, let Binghe's protagonist halo prevent any serious misunderstanding in the future. These are characters, not real people. Their dynamic is weird enough that you can just as easily write them a happy post-canon relationship or a situation where their respective habits of hiding their true selves from each other and Shen Qingqiu unintentionally encouraging the worst in Binghe culminates in something awful down the line. Nobody actually gets hurt one way or the other.

#shut up tc #tw rape mention #svsss #I don't much care to dig too deeply into Bingqiu tbh #because they are not really the type of characters I enjoy writing #shen yuan bless his heart is a fun narrator but he would give me an aneurysm if I tried to write his pov #so yeah. I'm kinda side eying people who are like obnoxiously loud about policing how others are supposed to feel about this #there seems to be this air of denial about Bingmei still having this festering darkness in him which just flattens his character to me tbh #Bingmei is still very capable (and oftentimes seems very willing) of hurting the people around him and is only restraining himself #because he wants to get together with SQQ and Binghe thinks he would disapprove and that's fascinating #why ignore that?? it's like 70% of what makes Bingmei interesting. anyway #I'm happy to stay in my lane and enjoy my own horrible blorbos #so I really don't care much at the end of the day

[cynicjovial]

silly little boy goes to pride

#personali posti #i wanted to stay and hang out more but im so farking tired im going home #😔😔😔 #but i had fun!!! #signs that make people behind you yell “yippiee!!!” #also i think i gotta get a binder one size smaller uggffhhhhuuu #my measurements were in the middle and im a pussy so i got the larger one cause i didnt want to get one too tight cause yknow its dangerous #but this is way too lose my bra does a better job at flattening my chest 😭

[b0dyhorrors]

hot take but both the bastardization of and widespread belief in "death of the author" has been absolutely disastrous for media literacy and i'm not even remotely kidding

#media literacy #death of the author #media criticism #juice.txt #as someone with many WIP writing projects with A Whole Lot of intent behind them this is a major reason as to why they stay WIPs #it's just... esp. in fandom spaces people will completely and utterly flatten a work until it's the creative equivalent of empty calories #and as someone who desperately wants to trust a potential audience to pick up what i'm putting down that scares the living shit out of me #i know that i can't control what someone comes away from my work thinking. but all i want to ask of them is that they think at all

[dragonologist-phd]

You ever see an interpretation of your fav’s character arc that’s so wildly incorrect you just kinda black out for a sec

#‘​her story is all about [X]’ #it’s not tho. it’s literally not. it’s literally about the opposite of [X] #how much do I have to pay fandom to not flatten every female character they come across into one singular trait #me at myself: stay out of the tags. stay out of the tags! #rambling

[angelsdean]

you’re cruelest with the people you’re closest to, you say shit you don’t mean because you think they’ll understand what you really mean or you think you can get away with it, dean tells cas he’s dead to him and why does that something always seem to be you? and then cas is walking away and no--no that’s not how this is supposed to happen. dean gets angry and says shit he doesn’t mean and cas is supposed to read through it, he’s supposed to get it. dean pushes and pushes him away and then asks where are you going? because the whole point is that he’s screaming for him to stay. he’s pushing and being awful to see if it’ll happen, if cas’ll really leave this time, but it’s not what he really wants it’s a desperate plea it’s please see through my bullshit and please call me out and please knock some sense into me and please make me say it ! make me ask ! make me ask you to stay ! and cas turns his back and that’s cas asking him, that’s cas begging please stop me before i walk up those stairs, please ask me to stay but dean sees it as rejection, as i’m leaving and this is it and you don’t get a say. they are miscommunicating for 12 years straight   

#literally thee miscommunication of all time #they just don't know how to ASK #i just saw a gifset of thee breakup and it flattened me i'm on the floor and i can't get up #like literally thee second after dean says why does that something always seem to be you? you know he's regretting it #you know he knows he's just said something awful he can't take back but he's stubborn and angry and hurting #so he sticks to it but then he asks where are you going? like he really didn't think he'd leave and he wants to ASK #he wants to ask him to stay but how can he? how can he ask after what he's said and how can he ask if cas is already leaving #guhhh i could ramble on abt this for hours #dean studies #vic.txt

[badassindistress]

hi! i've been trying to locate a post of your for the past couple hours, and i've had no luck. i was hoping you could help me? it's the one about the gentlemen's corset/binding stays, where you wear the blue waistcoat. i believe it got popular a few years ago?

Of Course!

I've made a couple of posts about my gentleman's corset from 5 years ago and the more recent binding stays.

I think you're looking for this post.

and if you're thinking of making binding stays/gentleman's corsets, may I also recommend my newer methods:

I'm happy to talk more about this if you've got questions!

#also if you do make one #i'd love to know about it #it's a bit of a community research thing #where every new version teaches us a little more #binding stays #flattening stays #a talia original

[certifiedwerewolf]

This fandom's gonna have me He Would Not Fucking Say That'ing over John Winchester of all people. If I have to read one more fic flattening him to a one-dimensional caricature that the boys unequivocally hate without question instead of the much more realistic and nuanced characterization we got from all three of them-- like there is so much bad about Supernatural but the messy, nuanced feelings the boys have about their dad is actually really good, realistic writing. It might be cathartic to have the boys just decide one day that they hate their dad and everything he did was bad but He Would Not Fucking Say That.

#idk maybe something happened in the later seasons but it doesn't feel like it from what i've seen #actually i've seen a lot of stuff that does let it stay nuanced but a lot of what i see is like #fans who are frustrated that dean and/or sam never looked at the camera and said 'anyway dad was abusive and i hate him forever now' #so they decided to just write fanfic about it #which again i get the catharsis i do #it's just very frustrating to see it flattened out like that

[leapdayowo]

quite literally just waiting for paint to dry rn

#life as an artist #quite riveting stuff will the paper decide to flatten out once it dries or will it stay bubbled only time will tell #:O I just remembered I have cheese and crackers I can feast upon okie bye

[clonehub]

The more i think on it the less crosshairs turn to caring about clones makes like. No sense to me. If we'd gotten at least one other in between episode that shows crosshair actually caring about clones on a basic, social level, and then we got this, it would hit much harder when he tries to save mayday. But at the moment it was him still supporting the empire and then a several-week absence and then him being torn up over a clone dying. Some say he's secretly always been like this on this inside but if that was the case, that he actually was an empathetic and caring person, would he not have left at the end of season one since he was already aware that said empire had ripped his and other clones autonomy from them via the chips and completely overrode their free will?

#ch posts #something about crosshair stans making him out to be pure victim in this case #claims of a nuance look that actually flatten his character bc what do you mean youre going to ignore the fact that #hed have to have been at least swmi comfortable w the atrocities of the empire #in order to be willing to stay #?? like why is that never brought up #chipped clones are leaving brothers behind because they cant condone what the empire did #tbb critical

[dexaroth]

why does the fur in the neck of animals with long strands only stand up in that area instead of the other areas like the back. why is the back fur flattened but the neck one isnt. i never understood this

#in my mind daron has this same sort of long strand coat in their torso but i always imagine them poofed out and not. flattened #yet. as the image. they only seem to stay up in the neck despite the length being roughly the same towards non-limbs #even wolves are associated with a neck fluff compared to their smooth body for some reason

[letoscrawls]

Another attempt was made

No matter how hard i try, it seems they won't turn out with the classic flat appearance :(

#i want them to be flat!!! but they stay like this #i changed recipe this time #i'm convinced it's the brown sugar that flattens them but i don't think we have them here #taste test...tomorrow #i used chocolate chips this time and added some dark chocolate on top of some

[rewritingcanon]

if you guys wont take problematic sirius black then i will

#why do yall flatten him into some babydoll nicotine addicted twink like stop it #having tattoos and smoking cant be a personality sorry #problematic sirius >>> whatever tf the fandom made him into #(SOME of the fandom… some of yall do him well and aren’t obsessed with only his aesthetic) #the boy is a pretty asshole and when i say asshole i dont mean hes sassy he is terrible #hes a terrible person but hes a terrible person WITH character i say #hes got reasons and those reasons will stay locked in my head but hes got reasons #trust me #sirius black #i love him but hate him #marauders #marauders era #harry potter #hp #rewriting #nuh uh

[this-should-do]

being an art major is going to use the communal tools cuz ur not fucking buying shit ur not gonna use again and realizi g that nobody except you knows how to wash a fucking tool and that if you want to use them u have to wash them urself lest u ruin ur fucking final

#iwillspeakincessantly #god i know everyine who has ever used these tools cuz theres only one class in this room #and im going tk throttle evryo single one of them #and im going to throttle the people who did student teaching and moved my fucking final paper that i was flattening to print on #WITHOUT keeping it under weight so now i have to tape this shit down to print and pray the tape holds til my exam so that it stays flat #i hate everyone in my class #useless fucks