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unknownteapot · 3 months

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Added opinion:

Some of the "proofs" posted by s&c shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's like delving into intrusive territory sometimes, even then. All I am saying is if you have to analyze and cross-reference walls and decor, you are going into weird stalker behavior.

They clearly don't want this public, and I wish people would treat it a bit more chill and lay off the whole "proof" thing.

Being correct just makes it worse. Because if you are not correct about your tinhatting it is at worst kinda awkward for the people involved. If you are correct, you are activity shedding light onto something that the involved people want to hide or at least keep low.

Let's just enjoy their dynamic and even "ship" them, but be cool about it.

I don't even get why people are so keen on wanting to prove this. What are you getting out of it?

(not directed at you, but a more general statement)

ooof this is a loaded one, anon, thank you for sharing!!

yep i completely see how looking for minuscule details and proofs can lean into stalker-ish territory, especially when c has so openly spoken about keeping relationships out of the public sphere and previous stalkers. that's some scary shit and i do believe our role as fans is to remain as respectful as we can of those boundaries. i've seen many comments in yt videos talking about proofs of them dating or just blatantly stating they are (which i do think too) i just don't know if comments on public smosh videos are the place to discuss them.

whenever talk arises about proofs, similar to you i tend to pose the question 'why?' like we love them, yep. we ship them. that's all completely fine, read/write all the fics your heart can take, rant about them and their cuteness, but we're not really entitled to know the ins and outs of their actual private lives, just like with any celebrity/online personality. i think when we begin to think we deserve to know things/hold moral superiority over the fact that 'we know the truth' (which i've seen floating around) that's when things get a little too parasocial and we should be a little careful.

i don't know how i feel about the word 'tinhatting' though, maybe its because i have such a negative association of it from other fandoms i've been in, but oftentimes its used to describe fan behaviour in general, at least from what i have experienced. specifically, fan behaviour of younger female fans by the older male section of society, which in my experience has been demeaning and patronising. so reading it in this ask and specifically about shourtney feels a little like shipping them/thinking they're together is crazy fan behaviour, which it is not. that's just what fandom is and there's nothing wrong with that. however, if you mean the stalking/intense proof-seeking, i suppose i understand your use of the word a little more.

sorry this is so incredibly long, anon, but yea, thank you for sharing and apart from the previously mentioned point- i do echo your thoughts about privacy and boundaries with regards to shipping culture <3

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three-headed-monster · 2 years

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what are your thoughts on the tate mcrae and cole sillinger flirty situation. do you think they are dating? or do you know anything new going on between the two?

first of all, i’d like to preface that i don’t tolerate serious hate on my blog at all (yes i joke i hate logan cooley, that’s different). so please no sending in hate anons about these people or leaving mean comments in the rbs.

second of all, i am NOT, i repeat NOT a wag blog. i am not going to take multiple asks on this situation. i’m going to state my piece, maybe answer one additional ask and that’s it. this is going to mainly be my stance on this until there is something really big and new that happens with it.

finally, yes i know we have covered this topic on my blog before. last time, some anons correctly asked me to not speak on it anymore unless something concrete came out. i chose to do that and i choose to speak about this now because i think everything that has happened since that time has given enough for a solid conclusion on what is going on. however, this is just speculation so please do not take anything i’m saying seriously. i personally think yes, they are dating BUT nothing has been confirmed yet and we will probably never know the answer to this question. they at the very least are FRIENDS.

okay but let’s get into it now cause this is gonna be like a primer lmao

so this all starts about a year ago where cole goes on the showbound podcast and said this:

tate is kind of overlooked in the podcast episode because they wanted to focus more on charli d’amelio but nevertheless, cole admits she is his celebrity crush.

this clip blows UP on tiktok, which is where tate likely sees it, because in an episode a few weeks after, the two podcast hosts talk briefly about tate giving cole a follow on instagram.

it goes like this for a little bit. tate starts liking cole’s posts on instagram (including this one from cbj of cole in a plaid suit) and cole pretty much did what he did before, which is obsessively like all of tate’s posts too.

it all kinda picks up from boston though.

so towards the end of the nhl season, tate was starting her first headlining tour. the first leg was in North America, where she began her tour in the USA and visited both montreal and toronto. the interesting part is this:

her at the bruins vs cbj game in boston on her tour off day. while she had to be in montreal in the next 24 hours.

it was very weird to a lot of people that she’d suddenly go to a hockey game on her off day, and especially weird she chose the cbj game of all games.

however, most people brushed this off as just a friendly gesture or tate being from a hockey family.

this isn’t where it stops though, not at all. this is where it continues until now.

tate posted this on her story which i found a little odd, especially since her brother’s friends are

and cole was COMPLETELY new, a new friend of you will

then tate posts this and i am FLABBERGASTED because she’s watching the worlds gold medal game for why??? i KNOW that voice and i know that’s gord miller. this was also a few days after her album release too, which made me be like ummm okay cause like let’s be real, no one watches worlds unless they have a friend/family member playing.

also found this clip of tate singing an unreleased song which sounds like it doesn’t match with the aesthetic of her debut at all. made me think there’s someone new!

further tinhatting continues from me, especially when cole likes tate’s brother’s post, tate follows his brothers, and tate does this thing where she mouths along to i’m single i think. i feel crazy every time i say anything about them.

BUT THAT ALL LEADS TO VALIDATION

cole earlier today posted this on instagram thanking the cbj fans for a great season. seems like a hockey’s regular post right?

WRONG

now we all know i have a theory, a Great Theory. basically, when a hockey comments on a girl’s post, it’s pretty much sealed and locked in that they’re dating. it’s happened with kirby, bo, and dylan and it’s not gonna change. SO WHEN I SAW THIS I WAS LIKE THE THEORY?????

alas we may never know. but i’m liking the role reversal if it is true AND both tate and her brother liked the post on instagram.

from this evidence you can probably come to the personal opinion that they’re together. however, i’m just going to say that they are definitely friends, if not a bit more. but we have no idea if they are together or being flirty or whatever. i can only say they are definitively friends…only friends do that stuff.

whatever happens, cole sillinger has Already Won, he’s got his celebrity crush commenting on his photos 🤷🏻‍♀️

#ask #q speaks #i am afraid to tag it anything because wow it’s basically a primer #tinhatting #worth it tbh because there’s so much here

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theyarebothgunshot · 3 years

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A bit of venting ahead that’s got nothing to do with your blog ! I just need to get it off my heart.

Okay so I’ve been in this dumpster for a bit now, happily living my live, and then I decided to strap my tinhat on and go into battle (aka looking at the j/2 tinhat tags and comparing)

And wow the crazy is just so much more extra on that side but that being said...now I’m kinda :/ ´cause I can see clear patterns of manipulation and how a lot of the narrative around both sides is just...perspective.

For one if you compare their post to our it’s...kinda funny because ... well a lot of the screenshots/post are even from the same video, just that one person is cropped out (best but by far not the only example are the gifs of the boys making hearts with their hands, there are two versions of them one if misha cropped out and one with Jared cropped out)

And then there’re the post that say that Jensen has more fun with j or m in panels/ acts differently around them and I believed that for a long time too until I saw the SPNDC jen & mish Pannel from 2019 (I don’t know if they were tired but that one was just nothing like their usual bantering) and some other panels with Jared and Jensen ...

And don’t get me started on all those posts “comparing” the relationships, ugh their always so manipulating....like Jensens “special” laugh? That’s totally just his normal laugh, see it in a lot of videos ... close whispering ? Jup so many pic of the cast doing it in all combinations. “Inappropriate” touching? Jared and misha do that a lot for laughs. I’ve actually considered doing a whole post on the matter just to show how similar a lot of these things are but... I don’t know if I want to invest my time. And I could go on... but this is already too long.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that while I’m still a cockles fan and I will devour all the wonderful tinhatting, I guess it just really irks me how many people just take one side of the conversation and make a big deal of it. The whole thing just strikes my as manipulative.

...Sorry for the venting your blog is actually my fav since you seem like one of the more down to earth people that actually consider more than one side.

i totally get what you mean. people have been asking me to do a comparison post as well (both to see what the similarities are and to point out what makes me think that cockles give off a romantic vibe and j/2 don’t) but i just do not have the energy or patience to do it. if you do manage to make one yourself, please link it to me because i’d be interested in that.

i have a feeling that most cockles blogs do not crop out j*red to manipulate people into believing cockles is real, because a lot of the blogs i follow don’t delete him from posts at all, but i believe you when you say you’ve seen it. i have seen a lot of j/2 tinhatters do that with misha, though. one of the funniest things was seeing a j/2 tinhatter explain that when jensen was talking about ‘the one’ being a ‘partner and a teammate’ he was talking about j*red while we all believe it’s about misha. like you said, a lot does have to do with perspective.

idk how to explain it though (at least not without going into too much detail, which i just said i wouldn’t do lmao), but when you look at everything surrounding cockles i just know that it’s different than j/2.

#dont be sorry nonnie #im flattered that my blog is your fav <3 come back any time #Anonymous

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not-a-perfect-metaphor · 5 years

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J2 - The One

I posted a while ago about Jensen’s beautiful, gender-neutral, incredibly well-thought-out response to finding ‘the one’ (Vegas-16), but a recent SDCC quote of his has inspired me to redo that post with much more of what I wanted to include the first time around. Warning: this is going to be very very long!

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First of all, there’s an important concept to consider when it comes to figuring out/examining J2-isms that I didn’t cover in the original post:

Sometimes, the Js just say what they know they need to say about Gen and Dan while answering questions about marriage etc., and in those cases, there might be very little deeper meaning (if any) to be found in their responses.

But other times, it’s pretty clear that Jensen and/or Jared use the opportunity to talk about each other, use the opportunity to share (in a safe way) some of their own story as a couple, because it’s the only outlet they have to publicly express some of that truth.

It’s not too difficult to tell the above scenarios apart (if you’re paying attention in the ways that we do as tinhats).

The depth of feeling in their words & body language is SIGNIFICANTLY more intense and raw (shockingly so at times) when they’re really talking about each other as opposed to when they’re simply reciting what they know they’re supposed to be saying.

I’m pretty sure we can all agree on the fact that Jensen’s ‘the one’ response fell into the second category (above) and was definitely, without a doubt, about Jared.

Like....without a single, single doubt.

Here’s the full answer:

“I kinda feel like there are two types of people in regard to marriage and finding the one. Uh, it’s the ones that you just know with an absolute and have a certainty...like this is the one for me. Unequivocally. And there’s those who are...you know, I don’t know...I’m scared, but I’m willing to take that leap of faith with you, and I found myself somewhere in between both of those. It’s a scary endeavor that certainly has its ups and downs, but it’s a bond, and it’s a connection, and it’s a friendship, and it’s a ride, and it’s a journey, that if you’re willing to stick it out together is an amazing, beautiful thing. And...I’m so glad I picked the partner, the teammate, that I did.”

Like I said in the original post, a significant amount of that answer contains descriptive words that Jensen had specifically used to discuss his relationship with Jared prior to that day and would continue to use numerous times after that day as well.

What the answer did NOT contain were the words: “Danneel,” “wife,” “she,” “her,” etc., although, Jensen actually does that quite a bit, the clever gender-neutral thing.

But, moving on-

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Now, some J2 quotes that relate back to the above answer, including the examples I used in the original post:

Jensen on Jared (all are about Jared or about Jensen’s relationship with Jared)

“It’s been quite a ride.” (the piece of his SDCC quote that stood out to me)

“It’s been an amazing ride, and I’m just glad we’re still trekking along.”

“What a ride it’s been!”

(to Jared): “Thank you for the journey.”

“He and I are so fortunate to be on this journey together.”

(on his favorite memory of SPN): “The journey from single-hood to marriage.”

*again in this one, above, no mention of ‘wife’ or ‘Danneel,’ even though we do know the Js are talking about each other at times when they say ‘wife,’ but Danneel had nothing to do with the show back then anyway.*

“It’s a real connection with another human being that is rare.”

“You know...he and I, there was an instant connection.”

“It was just immediate chemistry. There was an ease to it, a familiarity to it. (...) There was an importance stamped into our bond very early on.”

“It’s a unique bond, a real partnership.”

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Squeezing in Jensen’s People interview (what he was looking for romantically, pre-Danneel obviously), since it fits so nicely with all of this:

“Uh, someone who you can pal around with and also be intimate with, someone who laughs at your jokes...it may sound cheesy, but someone who’s your best friend as well as your love.”

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“He’s my best friend, and he just happens to be a coworker.”

“We’re best friends. He’s my best friend for life. It’s definitely special.”

“You know, he’s...he’s my best friend.”

(back in the day) “I’m very surprised by how close we’ve become.”

“We joke and we laugh. We have a lot of inside jokes between us.”

“Jared can make anything funny. It could be a life or death situation and he could still have everyone in the room in stitches.”

“He always knows how to make me laugh.”

“Happy birthday, partner. Here’s to nearly 4 decades of breaking the rules.”

“My partner and I have been dancing together for so long.”

“We’re teammates. We have each other’s backs.”

And then a few that relate thematically but don’t share exact phrasing with Jensen’s ‘the one’ response:

“Jared and I have been trusting each other for years.”

“I’m very thankful I have that with someone else.”

“There’s a support system that exists within each of us for each other that I’ve rarely found between two other people.”

“There’s not a lot of people who can say they’ve got one person who knows everything they’re going through.”

(to Jared): “I’ve got your back…always.”

“I have his back. And he has mine.”

“He knows that I’m going to take care of him, because I’ve-, he and I have taken care of each other...pretty much all the time.”

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Jared on Jensen (just to add some more depth):

Jared: “It’s a difficult leap of faith to trust anybody (...), but we trust each other.”

“We immediately had this bond. But you can share an immediate bond and still get stronger and stronger and stronger.”

“He and I have been through a lot together. Through crazy highs and crazy lows.”

“It didn’t feel like a blind date. It felt like we were continuing a relationship. There’s no rhyme or reason to what happened.”

“If he succeeds, I win too. If I succeed, he wins too.” (teammates)

“He’s my biggest supporter, and I know I’m his biggest supporter.” (teammates)

“I wish I could put it-...I wish I could explain it. But I can’t. Other than to say it’s something a lot of people never find with someone else.”

“-someone who you know has your back and I know I have his.”

“When we’ve fought, it’s been for each other, to help and protect each other. Never against each other.”

“I’m going to ask what my partner’s favorite thing is, or the first thing that comes to his mind for every season.”

“We’re on the same team. When he wins, I win too, and when I win, he wins too.”

“Someone that makes you happy and is your rock.” (this is the one where Jensen pointed to himself as that person for Jared)

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#j2 #j2 tinhat #the one #quotes #true love #husbands to the twelfth power

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bisluthq · 3 years

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I’m 18 and I would have much rather had my 13/14/15 yr old self reading this blog than what I was actually doing, which was catfishing men on the internet for money. I got so deep in it I was like a professional but at the time I didn’t realize how fucked up that was but also I have no regrets about scamming pervy men. None at all. Anyways, I guess my point is that the internet is a crazy place, but I think your blog sets a good example even/especially with all the sex stuff.

YOU DID WHAT!???

That’s so much more iconic than what I did lol I pretended to be a college student to be kewl in InvisionFree RP forum land and on like Tumblr as well.

But yes I think the internet is a weird place, I am well aware kids and especially marginalized kids are on it, I am well aware those kids read this blog, and again I really try my best to positive role model and it pleases me that comes across.

Someone spoke about my “agenda” and if I have one that’s fucking it: make people - especially marginalized kids although this blog will never be directed “at” them because I’m a dumb journo not like a self-help writer for teens but lbr they’re not gonna read that shit anyway - feel comfortable and safe and normal. Make people feel heard and seen.

Like again that’s what fucking pissed me off so much with all the Forever Kaylor stuff. Like adults who are dumb delusional assholes can be dumb delusional assholes fucked if I care. You’re always gonna have tinhats.

But a HUGE amount of Kays and tbh Larries aren’t those tinhats. It’s young queer kids getting mindfucked by dumb delusional assholes while being mocked by fandom at large and specifically “antis”. And that’s just not okay in my book.

When this blog started taking off - I think post the first TTB notice lol because that’s when it went from like haha this is some dumb thing I do sometimes to a key/central part of my day - I felt like that opening bit in Taken where he’s all, “I have a very special set of skills and I’m gonna fuck u up” basically. Like ya maybe I do have an agenda. It’s to make the internet, or at least a small corner, safer and more positive and to do good in a way that I’m pretty sure I am kinda weirdly uniquely equipped to do.

You guys, I was having a REALLY BIG EXISTENTIAL CRISIS from like April last year for a raaaange of reasons. I was like “everything is stupid and it’s all meaningless and nothing makes any sense and everyone and everything is fucked and I can’t do anything about it so may as well get fucked up drunk by myself and ring the devil’s doorbell and then cry” and like fighting with racists on the internet for shits and gigs about BLM.

And somehow this blog came into my life and it might sound stupid - and it probably is lmao like I know I’m not changing the world I’m not delulu - but if I can make a couple hundred marginalized people feel really good about themselves, I’m having a net positive impact on the world you know? And it does feel like all the weird batty shit I’ve done equipped me with the skills to same as Liam Neeson.

So like I know it’s a really special place for many of you but just know that 1) I can only do it with y’all so thank you for giving me this platform and 2) it’s a really special place for me too and it deadass helped me solve my existential crisis.

Sorry to have derailed your ask btw.

And again WHAT THE FUCK lmao.

#nat talks bisluthq

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incarnateirony · 5 years

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“Stay in your lane.”

What fucking lane? This shit is a vat of crazy.

I literally just tried to map this shit out. It’s not exactly 100% scientific but.

Look I was just fucking around on paint so it’s not pretty, but if anybody seriously wants to do something similar now that you have ways to wrap your braincase around it, go all out.

I’d add that anyone within the TFW positive line can be a multishipper and may or may not also ship Destiel, but people hanging in that breakout bubble do adopt the anti rhetoric as mentioned and sort of want All Ships Treated Identically. For reasons that we’ll pretend basically have to do with being pulled into its orbit of dialogue without realizing it. Some “non shipper” zones might also have multi shippers sprinkled in there, but the shamey narrative seems to vanish once outside of the Wincest sphere.

But my point is, fam, this place is an entire warehouse full of landmines with overlapping vectors even within your own friend group. For example,

I would be in the “Sam Knew” zone: I’m Sam centric, but trying to be about 10,000 miles removed from the Wincest and Tinhat sectors, which gives me a very small playing area in reality. But oddly it’s one of the more center ground areas on the grid. True-Bibro adjacent before we start getting absorbed by the wanky Tinhat Zone. But in the Wayward and Destiel pool.

But because of my placement, I end up with, say, heavy overlap from the Cas sphere, and I tend to be one mutual over from “No Cas no care”. Or I’ll have strong Wayward fans as mutuals, which can put me one mutual out from CakeWoke. Or I have strong Dean focused Destiel Positive or shipping friends that put me one mutual out from extreme Dean fans.

There are no lanes, there’s just a crazy cobweb of spheres thrown into each other.

You’ll notice I pulled Sam’s sphere a little further out than the others, because of the push caused by the Tinhat Wincest vector, which makes it a little harder to float in the inclusive zone.

I’ll also leave a subnote that once you start entering single character stans outside of the TFW zone we start tilting into extreme sectors, but also some less EXTREME X FANS and the vicinity of actor fans which overlap back in.

I’ll also add a few prisms of Destiel feelings from what I gather in the lanes

Red being “generally positive and accepting”, white being “pretty solidly invested” and the other sphere labels already speaking for themselves.

I also had trouble mapping out where Cockles is since it seems to have saturated through a lot of non-anti areas almost at random. Like sure fam it’s mostly in the core Destiel aisles but I’ve seen it as far out as Wayward or any character branches or even just general TFW lanes.

Yes, this is largely anecdotal, but it’s not some “I had a few friends that said,” as much as “I’ve been watching dozens of thousands of people in this fandom for a long assed time and could probably name at least 5,000 accounts off the top of my head at this point” based on where I see them falling. Trying to make a color scaled chart like this manifest on a census would be fucking insanity.

But that one little super outlying sphere center-right is the one always telling itself that it rivals the center TFW positive or Destiel positive zones

And in reality this is more of what we see.

lmao tell me I’m wrong

Seriously though the “canon Destiel” is more of a crown of people that are there almost exclusively for it (hence being outside the TFW ring), whereas “people who see it strongly supported in canon but aren’t just here to grind on that alone” are more like in this egg

The adjacent zones are more “positive”, they don’t hate on shippers, enjoy the content, kinda-sorta see/understand but don’t feel it’s going anywhere but wouldn’t care if it did. You know the people. Pleasant Nonshippers that support people in the red egg.

Tell me I’m wrong while they brag up blocking 5,000-8,000 accounts and still manage to miss major Destiel fans like tink.

Update: people keep asking me for accessory things like “What about give Sam a Romance That Doesn’t Die”

Red: “Give Sam A-” casual. This can be Give Sam A Girlfriend, Give Sam a Dog, Give Sam a Velma, just GIVE SAM A *SOME FUCKING THING*

Black: Self explanatory

A FEW MORE CHART NOTES

I didn’t really give Jack a sphere because we don’t have a huge swath of JACK ONLIES, and he’s more dead center in the TFW zone, in a smaller ring, and can be shared across to almost any duo.

Lucifer/Pellegrino is sort of a free agent drifting around, a microcosm unto itself, with many external fandom influences I’m not gonna wank up this post with but can bubble into a few spheres on occasion.

I’ve not really seen, say, Rowena Onlies or Gabe Onlies beyond a fluke of each. If you’re fans of those, they tend to fall under the TFW sphere, as it’s also a general audience that loves most/everything sphere.

And even then most of these can be put into the chart.

Example: A Gabe fan that doesn’t like 99% of things, isn’t a Destiel fan, but is into Sabriel as a connection, be it platonic or romantic, would gravitate into Sam sphere, outside of TFW sphere

Regarding the absence of Megstiel: At the risk of pissing off that part of the fandom, I didn’t see it worth trying to vector into the chart. Some true Megstiel fans have even noticed and called out the number of people from the Tinhat Zone that come in and fake ship it just to cause horse shit. They would have a node, in the Cas zone, half in and half out of the TFW zone, likely settled largely in the same zone as “nonshipper Cas fans”. Rachel has a huge fanbase but Meg not so much considering how long she’s been gone and there’s really no way to reasonably vector that in. Once the faux shipping self-conflicting tinhats pretending to ship it get removed, it’s a small ship that mostly minds its own business aside from the ones that unknowingly bite the tinhat wank bait and feed into those narratives that have started to saturate it. Otherwise it would have to be sphered at both completely conflicting ends of the chart.

I mean. Y’all. Sabriel fandom is considered small and has over 11,000 fics on Ao3. Megstiel has 1,100. A viral Megstiel post gets maybe 100 notes. Like. This isn’t intended as shade, it’s just reality. A vector place outside of "half in Cas sphere, half in nonshipper Cas TFW sphere” as a blip is almost impossible once you remove the tinhats that argue points that simultaneously drags Megstiel.

Yes some people also multiship Megstiel too, but not many. That might ride closer to the Destiel line then, but it’s still very cas-line-centric.

Like let’s not try to play the game where everything is equal in volume just to make everybody feel better. If you have a few working brain cells, Destiel is the ship that’s freaking everywhere in this fandom whether you like it or not. Then the next biggest, which is still a fraction of performance on everything from presence, social trends, or fanfiction creation despite a many-year running head-start would be Wincest, then after that there’s a number of others, with shrinking presence much less expectation.

Those generally fall into bigger lanes. As Megstiel, or addressed various zones Sabriel might fall. Not all Sabriel is anti Destiel -- that was just an idea if someone was an outlier looking for where they fall. In fact, Destiel is the highest overlap hashtag with Sabriel when you pull Sabriel’s numbers. And so on.

Being Destiel doesn’t mean you only want Destiel. Hell, as shown by the chart, there’s plenty of Wincest multishippers in multiple lanes. But trying to graph in everyone’s special snowflake bubbles would be insanity.

Generally my reason for doing this is that there’s always the “NOT ALL BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHH” argument and, no shit sherlock, we know. This isn’t a fandom of lanes. It’s a ridiculous vector overlap chart that probably would need to go 3D to catch a proper model of what’s really fucking going on.

#supernatural #fandom #mine

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not-a-perfect-metaphor · 5 years

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J2 - engagements/marriages/etc.

- a random collection of bits of things that are relevant (nowhere near all of it, by the way, and nowhere near the most important bits of info, but info that has, for the most part, not yet been posted here which needs to be remedied)

As always, I’ll provide a warning alongside my tags that the following contains heavy-J2-tinhat content involving (but not insulting) Genevieve and Danneel. So, you know the drill. If you know you’re not going to like it, don’t read it.

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Firstly, here are some bits of articles I’ve found over time that center around Jen and Dan, and I’m sure the reasons I find them relevant are self-explanatory, so I’ll keep my rambling thoughts to a minimum:

“Jensen and Danneel were very secretive about their publicly-unknown romantic relationship, but after two years of dating, they finally revealed themselves as an official couple when they attended the premiere of Ackles 2009 film My Bloody Valentine together.”

“While it’s unclear exactly how their long platonic relationship turned into romance...”

Very commonly talked about is the fact that the two were not romantic at all and then suddenly poof were romantically-involved (with a kind of magically nonexistent courtship, which relates to what I say about Jared and Gen below).

“Fellow star Jensen Ackles announced he was also engaged. Something in the air?”

“2010 is quickly becoming the year of CW weddings! Jensen Ackles has followed in the footsteps of Supernatural costar Jared Padalecki, who was married on February 27th.”

We all know how....hmm, what’s a good word...contrived (?) both engagements felt (and not just to tinhats, by the way), and that’s been delved into enough so that I don’t need to go on and on about it, but...yeah. Yep. Moving on.

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Now, when it comes to Jar and Gen actually ‘dating,’ there’s so little information out there on their fictional courtship (seriously, it’s crazy) that I can’t even find anything to talk about...which is, in and of itself, something to talk about.

Although, there is this of course, which I believe has been talked about previously here, but just to recap:

Remember the reporter who wrote that the Js “shared more than just a mortgage?” She also wrote a little blurb four months after that interview stating that Jared had insisted at the time that he was very much single.

Fast forward now to Jared’s engagement going public and then to his and Gen’s private Knot page being leaked, the Knot page on which the two claimed to have made their relationship official two full months before the interview I just mentioned took place.

A. Why would Jared feel the need to keep a relationship with Gen a secret?

B. Even if he did for some completely unknown and illogical reason, there are plenty of things to say other than that you’re ‘very much single.’

C. Maybe they forgot when they became a couple? Oh shush. We’re talking about sixty plus days, here. Two months. Just no.

In truth (let’s be real), they needed to invent a fictional courtship to make their relationship, engagement, and then marriage (like one tiny blink of nonexistent time after the proposal by the way) believable.

I feel the need to clarify also that when I talk about things like this, I’m not insulting Genevieve or Danneel. This arrangement involves four adults (and children now of course), and I want the best for all four, since regardless of anyone’s personal opinion when it comes to Gen or Dan, the four of them are now interconnected and would remain interconnected even if there comes a time when the Js can openly live their truth (we all hope for that).

Nor am I trying to say that I disagree with the Js decision to go this route (or that I judge them in any way for it). That would be incredibly ignorant, and if you do happen to feel that way and are reading this, I urge you to really put some thought into what it might be like for the two of them given their lives under spotlights, their families and personal reasons/obstacles/etc., pressure from so many different angles to be a certain way, to live a certain way for the sakes of their very livelihoods, I mean I could go on. But I won’t (at least in this post).

Oh but here! Read this, because however you might interpret it, it’s kinda also just great advice for anything really (already paraphrased for the relevant-to-this-convo bits but still very long, so I apologize):

“Supernatural’s continued success made me doubt myself even more. I felt like a fraud. I couldn’t escape the feeling of ‘if only they knew’...but the SPN fandom has taught me that being a role model doesn’t mean being flawless. It’s about doing the best you can. Everyone is doing the best they can under the circumstances they’re in, and the fandom has taught me that first I must forgive myself and always keep fighting. More often than not, the fight sucks, but I guess that’s why they call it a fight. And there will be a brighter day on the horizon.” -Jared

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What makes you so sure cockles “broke up”

Oh nonnie, I wish there was a simple answer to your question. A lot of it is because I have seen this before when they broke up last year. Unfortunately cockles didn’t learn their lesson and history is repeating itself.

So the simple, short, unsatisfying answer: body language and behavior. Imo I think there is a stark difference between a broken up cockles and a stupid in love cockles. You can even see it in their other panels. Actually seeing them post break up reminds me of a boyfriend I had when I was in high school. We were on the tennis team together but when we broke up, my ex’s tennis game severely suffered. His eyes were always puffy and red and he suddenly became very clumsy. Somehow the heartache affected his balance. We were only together for 1 year but still he was pretty broken up about it for a while. Now Jensen and Misha have been friends, if not lovers, for almost a decade. Plus so much of their lives are entangled, like work and business and other relationships. Everything affects everything. For example:

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Even as their characters, they can’t hug each other properly. Jensen can’t look Misha in the eye and Sam and Cas have a longer more emotional hug than they do. It is also one of Misha’s best emotional scenes, if you ask me. He got praised for it I think. It’s almost like it was a tired, raw Misha, filtered through Cas, talking to Jensen about his feelings.

Working together was SO painful for them, Jensen even started saying at almost every con during the breakup, that he could see an end in sight. Jard brought it up a lot too. They talk about the end of SPN here and you can really see just how upset both Jensen and Misha are at the end of this interview. There is weirdness throughout the interview but it culminates in the last few minutes.

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Jard implies that Jensen is the one that wants to finish it up at 300 and Misha is doing everything in his power not to cry. He is trying to manage his emotions by soothing himself using pacifying body language. Jensen similarly gets to an emotional breaking point at 3:01 when he says “still have amazing support from the studio. We still oddly enough get along. Don’t know how much that is gonna last”. Ouch. Jensen soothes himself by rubbing his face and Misha strangely contorts his face trying to keep the tears in, while Jard saves the day and jumps in intercepting Misha before he says something he’ll regret, by telling a rather rambly, not entirely interesting story. (seriously watch this interview from the perspective that they’re broken up and things make sense like why misha wont touch Jensen or why his voice cracks awkwardly and why he keeps looking at Jard instead of Jensen)

Ok but this behavior of Jard’s is what I think he was doing when he was playing the piano during the cockles’ panel in Hawaii. I think he was keeping an eye on Jensen and Misha and trying to either be a common enemy that would unite them or possibly keep them out of trouble.

Fuck I digressed before I could get to my point. My point is that just like my ex-boyfriend wasn’t on top of his tennis game after the break out, both Jensen and Misha are not on top of their con game when they are broken up. They both cry during their panels and wipe away tears or make weird faces and while Jensen gets grumpier and more reserved, Misha loses some of his wit and charm. He occasionally gets lost and loses his train of thought or he has to stop it before he loses anymore control. You can see it at NOLA con when a fan shouted out “assbutt”.

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He says if he had a show about assbutt “it would be more of an adult themed show” and people cheer the sexy implication and it looks like the thought of sexy destiel actually derails him. He tries not to cry. He says some random thing about assbutt which is too weird to be funny and then he drops the whole joke before he could get to a great punchline. So maybe Misha thinking of x-rated destiel or thinking of assbutt reminds him of his own adult themed nights with Jensen, or maybe they role-played as Dean and Cas (ofc they have) or maybe assbutt means something significant to them that we don’t understand but clearly talking about assbutt and an adult themed show greatly affected him to the point where he just kinda lost the clever. Understandably.

You can also see it at SFcon:

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He blew micgate way out of proportion but I don’t think he did it to be funny. I think he kept on going on and on about the mic thing because it was possibly reminding him of blowjobs with Jensen and their relationship in general and he was on the verge of breaking down. He really was crying or trying to curtail it before it got too bad. He blinks heavy and weird and wiped the tears. He starts saying something and then stops midway to say something not all that witty to the fan, “why were you going to do something disgusting with it?”. It just seems a little too obvious and it just doesn’t sound like him and that quirky way of his. That moment where he appears to be over it and moving on and then it began all over again when he jumped up from his chair and covered his mouth. When has he ever covered his mouth when laughing? I think he was using his cough as a way to hide the sadness at times too because he used it a few times when ever he was saying things about Jensen. He also would grab his left elbow when referencing Jensen. He did it other times too, but he did it a lot with Jensen, which to me looked like he was hugging himself or restraining himself from something. Misha also called Maison a bitch. He just seemed off. Imagine having someone who loves you as deeply and strongly as Jensen does suddenly withdraw their love from you. No wonder Misha was a mess.

I could give you so many more examples of this kind of stuff. Especially if you want it written in a barely coherent style with no structure and no consistent verb tenses. But I won’t because this answer of mine is just not great. I haven’t even done Jensen yet. But check out Jensen at the Jay-two main panel in Hawaii to see how he was affected. Goodness that poor boy was struggling. His tender heart was not catching a break. So many opportunities for him to think about Misha and Misha breaking his heart. The first question was the YANA winner ffs! Look for the wiping of the eyes and nose, hard swallows and his unwillingness to answer a few questions.

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Anyways, their behavior and body language can be pretty revealing, which is probably not news to you. But like I said, this stuff is the easy, short answer.

If you really want the longer, uncomfortable, heart breaking answer, Idk what to tell you. Their story is so complicated and I am not joking when I call myself a tinhat so there’s a lot of crazy but it explains a lot. So polish your tinhat and message me privately if you want. I’m still struggling with organizing the info and my theories and other people are involved which makes me uncomfortable and I just really suck at this thinking stuff. So sorry, anon.

Btw, I just want to say that the only good things that have come from their breakups, is that I have no doubt in my mind that they have had a lot of sex which is cool and that they both have really strong feelings for each other which is also cool. Although that seems more good for me and still pretty horrible for Jensen and Misha. Anyways a silver lining for me, I guess.

#work brain work #or not #jfc i am the worst #Anonymous

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