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#factkins issue
fictionkinfessions · 2 months
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The Horrors of kinning from mc rps is that it feels like factkin HELP MEEE i'm not the guy i'm just the stupid little minecraft goober with lore
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materialisnt · 2 years
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people are talking about factkin on our dash, i think were witnessing the outskirts of a discussion about whether factkin are otherkin and...
i dont really feel comfortable entering into that conversation because my own experience as someone who is/was a "factkin" (i hate that word) is that these experiences, while sharing some things with otherkinity and fictionkinity, cannot employ the frameworks of those experiences. you cannot say "i am, literally bob ross" because that is taking claim of a life, legacy, experience, identity, which is not yours in the same way someone who is dragonkin is a dragon. one is incredibly dangerous and harmful, the other harms no one and hurts no one.
im not the person who i thought i was (and often still think i am or see myself as), but they do form my origin point (which i know is a "factive" specific framing and factkin might not relate) and i would not be who i am if i was not also influenced by them in this way. is this metaphysical? psychological? i dont know and will never know for sure.
what i do know is that i owe it to them, my source, myself, and the people in both of our lives to not conflate our identities and experiences. we can't discuss factivity/factkinity as a community without also acknowledging the harm that comes with uncritically assuming factkin and fictionkin, factives and fictives, and other kintypes follow the same model.
all that said, resources for otherkin have helped me so long as i am cautious and intentional about the ways other kintypes and my origin/factivity/factkinity* differ.
*i know these arent all interchangeable as terms or experiences, they are just connected for me.
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sistervirtue · 6 months
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mutual 1: god forgive me for what im about to say about him [the most nasty string of sex words possible to make while still coherent] [the him in question is an incredibly generic video game man]
mutual 2: i cant believe some of yall will just post callouts for anything like get fucking real that wasnt even doxxing
mutual 3: some people on this website clearly dont know what doxxing is and besides the issue was the question about the morality of impaling people and leaving their corpses out
mutual 4: [10 paragraphs of analysis that reads super interestingly but then at the end you realize its for a long-running inconsistent childrens franchise]
mutual 5: EVIL WOMAN SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mutual 6: wait why is there vlad dracula tepes factkinning discourse on my dash
mutual 7: [roleplay blog i followed as a teen and is entirely unrelated to anything else on my dash]
mutual 8: i think i had a heart attack but i have a job so idrc about all that rn
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ama-factkin · 1 year
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I can get why people would be uncomfortable with factkin of ppl who are still alive in this universe although being uncomfortable doesn't mean you get to call something fake, but I digress...but I'll never understand the issue with ppl being kin with dead ppl from this universe when past life beliefs are so common in the kin community?
Aside from that, if someone feels like they are still in some way another person/known animal who is alive here because of parallel lives/past lives/metaphysics/psychological factors etc like... that's not all too dissimilar to fictionkin or any other kintype. - Junji Ito (from Parallel Earth #105) /srs
P.s. I've never seen a factkin even like try and actually properly impersonate their kintype and take over this version of their life anyway so...the issue is just a silly moral one, again not dissimilar to 'fictionkin aren't real because that's a fictional character/creature that a real person made up so it's basically intellectual theft'.
My thoughts exactly!
The whole "factkin cause identity theft" business is misguided to say the least. The people who honestly believe that either A) have the assumption that all factkin behave like stalkers or B) have no idea what actually constitutes identity theft.
I agree that people being uncomfortable with the idea of factkin is understandable. I also agree that it's unfair to call something fake just because it makes you uncomfortable. Discomfort is not completely a negative feeling. It is natural when you don't understand something. Just because you're uncomfortable with an idea at first does not mean it is morally wrong or bad. If more people would make more of an effort to understand the community I believe they'd be a lot less uncomfortable with it!
The issue of dead VS alive facttypes is another thing altogether. I've seen people say they're only against factkin whose kintypes are currently alive. The dead ones are fine. What sense does that make? How can one type of factkin be acceptable, and another be bad or false?
I've been accused of stealing the identities of my facttypes both dead and alive and I would like to respectfully ask: Who honestly believes that Peter III of Aragon, who died in the early 14th century, cares whether or not I spiritually identify as him? Who honestly believes that I stand to gain anything, monetary or otherwise, from claiming this identity? Why, if I'm "actively choosing" to "steal an identity" did I pick a long-deceased obscure medieval king about whom only fragments of knowledge exist?
All of this to say: anon, I'm with you. You've got the right idea.
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xxlovelynovaxx · 2 months
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hmmm... (screenshot below)
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(an screenshot of a Tumblr post that says "the dissonance of RPF people- especially ones who know the people theyre making fanfics about are uncomfortable with it- to keep doing what theyre doing is crazy. don't get me wrong its not like the worst crime in the world, but how can you call yourself a fan of someone while also continuing to partake in behavior that makes them uncomfortable. or in some cases going so far as to negatively affect their life. idk dude. couldn't be me. It's very objectifying and self centered behavior.")
Somehow I think it's far more entitled to even suggest that someone should not be able to write something because it makes someone uncomfortable than to write about other people.
Celebrities are just as responsible for curating their own experience in fandom as the rest of us, and quite frankly I agree with the fandom olds who say that the people involved in media should be more separate from the fans than they are anyway. But when it can be mostly solved by something as simple as... filtering the RPF tag and not looking yourself up if it makes you uncomfortable... I mean, the vast majority of RPF writers know that not everyone likes RPF and tag accordingly. The rest... well, we all have the block button for a reason.
Now, if you're sending fics to the people they're about, that's different. If you're, idk, pretending they're not fictional and people are believing you, that's different.
But if the "negatively affecting their life" is coming from anything other than actually forcing someone to see the fics, or straight up lying about that person... that's the same logic antis use to claim that non-RPF hurts them because they magically forget the back button exists as soon as they see anything they don't like.
I'll also remind people that anyone larger than a microcelebrity? Their public-facing persona is quite literally a work of fiction itself. They are pretending to be a character they put on to interact with the general public. It is a character that shares their name and face, but it is still a character.
Even aside from that though, put quite simply, if people don't want to see RPF of themselves, they shouldn't go looking for it. They should filter tags and keywords while engaging with the fandom of their own media, if they feel the need to engage at all.
I can continue to call myself a fan of someone while engaging in behavior that makes them uncomfortable because I recognize it is their responsibility to engage with content surrounding them/their persona in a way they are comfortable with. I don't worry about them being negatively affected because if they are negatively affected by a fic they seek out, that is on them.
I do think there's a lot of issues with celebrity privacy and toxic parasociality, but I also happen to think that RPF in fandom circles, away from the person it is about, is quite literally the opposite of that. It is engaging with something consciously acknowledged as the fictionalized ideal of a celebrity, and NOT the actual person, in spaces intended to remain away from the person the fictional ideal is based off of.
It is taking a major element of toxic parasociality - projecting the image you've made in your head of the person you think you know based on their public-facing persona, when you really don't know them at all, and going "yeah, this is all made up. This isn't really about the real person, it's about someone I've made up in my mind based on them. The only place I shared this is in spaces that person would have to actively seek out and go looking for to find, spaces that are traditionally intended to be separate from that person."
Oh, and while we're on the subject of real people mattering more than fiction, factives and factkin do very much exist and have a right to tell their stories - including when they are their sources. That's little more than a very specific type of double. Someone quite literally writing about themself, when they are someone whose identity is uncontrollably and immutably based off another existing person, when they already face so much outright discrimination and hate for that...
Even if RPF writers were in any way actually responsible for the feelings and online experiences of celebrities, I'd still say that their right to openly exist and to cope with the pain and trauma of their existence being derided and denied matters more than someone else's discomfort.
I know multiple people will read this and their kneejerk response will be "but factkin/factives aren't REALLY that person" and... not only are you fundamentally misunderstanding kin identity, but you don't get to decide that and are doing exactly the harmful behavior that I'm calling out. You are misidentifying people and denying and speaking over their own account of their literal core identity because you don't believe it's possible or it makes you uncomfortable. That's not something you get to decide.
But really, all that is secondary to the real issue, which is: fandom creatives are not responsible for policing their work for the comfort of people who are fully capable of curating their own experience. Quite frankly, RPF makes me uncomfortable, and RPF of me would make me much more deeply so. Hell, regular fanfic makes some of our fictives uncomfortable. People use these same justifications to argue that fictives have a right to police fanworks, y'know? Fictives are also real people, and sometimes are their source.
But I use the back button and filtering like a responsible fan. I don't judge the people in our system (like one of the ones who helped write this post) who do write RPF, I just ask them to tag it.
I don't know how else to spell it out that you are misplacing the responsibility for avoiding and/or dealing with said discomfort when you blame fan creatives for engaging with fandom, a space traditionally divorced from source creators which has only suffered from more than very light interaction with them.
I don't know how else to explain that it is not "objectifying and self-centered" behavior to quite literally stay in your own lane and mind your own business about the fiction you write, tagging it appropriately to allow people to avoid it, but it IS minimally self-centered to demand to control what other people write based on your own discomfort or ESPECIALLY the discomfort of others.
I don't know how else to explain that discomfort is not harm, conflating the two is a very similar logical fallacy to the logic of disgust (if not a version of the same), and that insisting that what someone else writes is morally wrong rather than simply something that deeply squicks you is in fact both pro-censorship and causing you to "build fences in other people's yards". That is to say, you are trying to manipulatively control other people's behavior by setting your "boundaries" beyond the bounds of where you have a right to set them, and well past where you have a right to demand any kind of control over their behavior.
Or, to tl;dr: RPF fiction isn't even really about the people it's based on. That's where the "F" in the acronym comes from. It's about fandom engagement with a fictional persona in fandom spaces. It's a healthy way to deal with parasociality literally without involving the actual person behind the persona. Everyone, including celebrities, is responsible for curating their own online experience.
And if you demand to control what other people write on the basis of your discomfort, insisting that people's discomfort proves immorality and using loaded emotional language to insist they're being bad for it, someone is being self-centered and borderline harmful. It's not them. Hold everyone to the same standards of learning to use tag filtering and the back and block buttons. It's not that hard.
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puphoods · 6 months
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anyone else with brain issues problems remember what it was like in the factkin discourse mines
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straydogkins · 2 months
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I've awoken and chosen violence so there's been a few changes to our rules.
Blacklist update:
Paul and Mori (BSD) are currently on the 'If you request these, we will block you.' list.
Dr N (BSD)
Aname Momose (I'm a fictive of her and we do have her as a core part of our identity, but we collectively don't want to edit for her rn)
Anything non traumagenic system related
Eystrain
DNI update:
People who use the term 'delusional attachment' or are in the 'IRL' community
Factkin
If you have any issues with these then just block and move on. If you have any good faith questions then feel free to ask.
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sarcosuchus · 10 months
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who-is-page · 2 years
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Honestly a better question with all this factkin debate probably isn't "are factkin otherkin," but instead, "are factkin just a niche form of character-specific human fictionkin?" But then you get into the issue of whether a majority of factkin see themselves as 1:1 with the individual they identify as (which would make the answer to that second question a "probably not" if they do).
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unhingedkinfessions · 2 years
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‼️ DA RULEZ ‼️
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DISCLAIMER ! - Assume that even tho we allow anything, we do not support or condone any of it - that is why it’s NOT judgement free, and if you have a stupid take we Will clown on it 
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anything goes. any source, even the problematic ones. factkin? sure i GUESS. need to confess your unhinged kinions (kin opinions)? nothing’s stopping you from submitting whatever.
despite our theme, don’t assume we only want awful submissions; far from it! anything goes of course includes Anything, even if it’s relatively tame we want to hear it! the only gimmick is that unlike other blogs, you get a response straight from us, the mods
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regarding the first rule: HOWEVER. we, the mods of unhingedkinfessions, are completely, absolutely against any form of bigotry, r*pe/p*do/ab*se/inc*st (pr*ship included), et cetera. if we find a submission to be excessively disturbing, triggering, or otherwise pushing our limits, we will delete it at our own discretion.
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no graphic nsfw. mods are either ace or not willing to read unsolicited messages about your sex lives in detail. vague/funny stuff is fine but don’t be nasty!
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this is NOT a judgement free zone! this is NOT a safe space ‼️ in exchange for a place to submit your wack ass kinnie moments that other blogs may not allow, you are waiving your dignity and we have full rights to make fun of you or judge you for whatever it is you submit.
we will not make fun of fictives/introjects/"d/as" or "irls" for any reason. there are better blogs for fictive issues and we're just here for kin stuff. also we don't care to make fun of mental illness
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aestherians · 2 years
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Re “"Otherkin" is an opt-in term for everyone, though. No one is forced to use it just because they fit its definition, just as people who don't fit its definition might still take some comfort in it because it's "close enough" to their experiences.”
I know it’s not about the same discourse (because that’s specifically in response to the factkin thing), but I also think feeling like the only way to be nonhuman is to be otherkin is also an issue (I’ve spoken to others who have genuinely felt limited by the term and I agree it can be incredibly frustrating being labeled with the term when that’s not how you identify but also feeling like you ‘have to’ identify a certain way to get access to community).
I guess what I’m trying to say is the gatekeeping and hyperviligance within certain nonhuman spaces seems like a problem (like I get why some of it is there, but idk, I just feel like pushing away anyone who doesn’t use known community terms isn’t great). I feel like this ties back to KFF discourse, unfortunately.
Hopefully that’s okay to send, I just saw that post and had some thoughts and wanted to share them
Yeah, I get you.
Regarding KFF, some gatekeeping is necessary if we want words to be useful. But I don't believe it's healthy to exclude any as-not-with identifications from the community because everyone who identifies "as something you, in some way, (e.g., bodily, socially, by others' perception, etc.) are not" will have enough overlapping experiences that we can benefit from each other and be enriched by hearing each other's experiences.
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fictionkinfessions · 9 days
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holding other anons. do you think that gawa gura is an actual shark irl. do you believe that shylily is an actual orca. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IRL IRONMOUSE IS AN EX RULER OF HELL?????? (about whether or nor vtubers are factkin)
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grimzeyblogs · 2 years
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So I made a discord server \o-o/
It's kin focused (otherkin, fictionkin, irls, coping-links etc. but you can join if you are none of those things, that's just the target audience.) and I made it by myself so there may be things that don't work as well as they should but those things can be fixed in time. There are also only two mods atm but since the server is still fairly small that isn't an issue rn. Here's the link but there's a few things i want to set in stone first:
-Endogenic systems, proshippers or factkin are not welcomed, factives are welcomed however unless stated to be harmful by systems themselves, I am not one myself so I can't say but I haven't heard anything negative about them so idk. -Double friendly, doesn't mean you can't dislike doubles of your kins/irls but it does mean that if you don't want to see them you should block them. -Adults are allowed to join if they wish, just be aware that this server does contain minors and thus no explicit imagery is allowed. -This server isn't heavily themed, for anyone who has issue traversing servers where there are always little symbols in front of every name this is a server that has none of that. -Asking questions is never bad, don't know the difference between a selfhood/ID and an irl? go ahead, ask that question! So long as you don't start bringing triggering topics into questions without warning ask away! All other important information can be found in the rules channel. Once again the server is still small so there isn't much activity but we will welcome you in nevertheless, there is also a mod application sheet in the announcement channel so if you want to help us out you may go fill that out. Regardless if you join or not I hope you have a lovely day, -Mod Lex
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angelspenance · 2 years
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CATH can you tell me things abt ur fave homestuck chatacter. i need motivation to begin the insanity
Hi MJ :] I can attempt to do that 👍 Hm… *sweeps Dirk beneath the rug* alrighty so you love violent morally ambiguous gay women? Alrighty, so there’s this epic troll named Vriska Serket. Who I’m sure you’ve heard of before. Anyway so Vriska is so so fucking sick and poggers and complex and she’s so fucking intimately tied to Terezi that their dynamic unfolds over the course of the entire fucking comic after they’re introduced. They hate each other they hurt each other they can’t live without each other. On top of this, Vriska also has Reasons for being Like That. Like. Her childhood was shitty as hell. She hates herself so much and also thinks she’s the coolest fucker who ever lived. She’d factkin my best friend Asuka Langley Soryu. There’s also Kanaya, who is canonically a lesbian with a chainsaw. There’s my best friend Roxy. She’s soooo good like Roxy is everything. She makes a conscious effort to get better from her issues, she cares about her friends so fucking much even when they’re being so so very age 16 and unwell. She’s gay for an alien, she’s silly, she goofy. She’s real as hell when needed. She’s like a best friend to me <3 Dave’s my favorite of the original kids. He’s swagful and swagless and dead 20 times over but he’s real for it 👍 Ok fine also Dirk’s there and he did a number and a half on me because they care about their friends so much but in a way that’s like. Goddamn, man *bloodshot eyes that are indicative of self recognition*. Everything about him is self contradictory. He’s obsessed with himself and he hates himself and they’re obsessed with themself because they hate themself. The guy canonically is into mlp and anime and also made an ai version of their own conscious when they were 13 who developed into something of his own person. They’re lonely as shit have a thing with puppets that ties into how they interact with the world and they fucking love swords. He despises himself and he surrounds himself with himself. They’re sick as hell and lame as fuck. He notably dissociates in the shower. They’re canonically gay. He’s autistic as hell. There’s a scene that made me for real nauseous for personal reasons. ♥️
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ama-factkin · 5 months
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I'm just curious, how do you feel about super problematic fact Kins? Like people who kin Hitler/other dictators, Murderer's, things in the Bible(like Jesus or god, since sometimes people consider Jesus/god to be factkin, if they believe in them) and do you think they should be open about those kins or kinda keep them separate since they're problematic ? Not trying to start discourse, and I personally don't kin any of those, but I'm just curious what you think of them ^-^ /serious question(can't remember the tone tag thing)
Hey! I have already answered something kind of like this in the past, and while I stand by much of what I said I do feel like I worded it really badly before so let's talk about it!
This question has layers to it, so I'll try to tackle it in stages.
This got long so
1. I think "problematic" is kind of a loaded word to use here because it's not especially descriptive. It can mean anything from "is rude" to "kills people" these days so rather than calling people problematic I try to be specific what it is that I am criticizing. The three scenarios listed here (murderers, gods, and dictators) are all very different and context changes these things so wildly.
"Dictators" are not cut and dry things. Take, for example, Genghis Khan. Killed hundreds of people . Warlord. Razed villages. Terrible guy. Just all around awful person. BUT! Genghis died thousands of years ago. Now take Mussolini. He also committed countless atrocities but these atrocities were MUCH more recent and there are people who are alive today who have suffered directly due to these atrocities.
"Murderers" is also a huge category. The families of Blackbeard's victims are not still suffering because of his actions. The families of Ted Bundy's victims are.
Now, if you (I am not trying to put words in your mouth!! This is a general "you" and not directed at you specifically, anon) if you are fine with people kinning Genghis Khan and not fine with people kinning Ted Bundy, then you're placing all of the emphasis on the time frame of the actions and not on the actions themselves. Which makes sense, to a degree (I'll unpack this, don't worry) but also: the people Genghis Khan killed are just as dead as the people Ted Bundy killed.
So, reducing these things to simply being "problematic" is not really helpful.
2. Godkin. Let's talk about godkin.
I am gonna come right out and say it: I like godkin and I do not have a problem with them. I do not think there is anything wrong with being godkin. If that's who you are, go for it.
I think the issue people take with godkin is not at all about the kintypes, but about bad behaviour related to them.
This brings me into my third point.
3. The kintype is not the action.
Being otherkin is not something that has moral weight. Being otherkin does not automatically mean you are a good or bad person.
When people ask me questions like this, what I hear is "I need you to tell me that you aren't like the bad guys." I know that is not what you mean but regardless it's okay. I understand the need for reassurance.
So let me say clearly:
I do not have a problem with factkin/godkin as a whole of any kind.
I have a problem with individual people who do things and then blame those things on their kintypes.
I have a problem with people who engage in cult-encouraging behaviours whether or not they are otherkin.
I have problems with people who do cultural appropriation whether or not they are godkin.
I have problems with people who glorify dictators whether or not they are factkin.
I have a problem with people who make serial killers out to be cute little misunderstood angels whether or not they are factkin.
People who glorify Hitler are terrible people, whether or not they are otherkin.
But being factkin/godkin does not make a person more likely to do these things, and people who aren't otherkin do them every day.
In conclusion: I think all factkin and otherkin alike are valid and I maintain that a kintype is not an excuse for bad behaviour. What matters most is the way the person acts, not what identities they hold.
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matzo-ballpit · 1 year
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