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championashley · 2 years

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Stephen Strange and America Chavez, TO ME, is the best thing to come out of Multiverse of Madness.

First, I’ve always loved the trope of an experienced, somewhat emotionally closed off loner being suddenly given a child (Din & Grogu, Logan & Laura). But what makes this even better is that it doesn’t take the entire movie for Stephen and America to show how much they love each other. From the first multiversal jump, Stephen is already willing to comfort and protect her not just because she’s important, but because he wants to. Even when she hugs him, he doesn't freeze or get overly uncomfortable like he did in his original movie (after performing the surgery in the opening act), he freely returned it with a worried “are you okay?”.

Second, this immediate willingness to protect her helps complete America’s character arc for two reasons.

Stephen treats her as a person and not as a weapon, or as a power. By standing up for her to Bruce Campbell’s character, choosing to watch and show compassion at the memory of her loss, he valued HER above her powers, the powers that kept her on the run since she was about 6 and what she believed "killed" her moms. In his motivational speech, the wording emphasizes HER, more then her abilities. “No. America, I’ve come here to tell you to trust yourself. trust your power. that’s how we stop her.” “But I can’t control it-” “yes you can. You have been all along. Every time you opened a portal, you sent us exactly where we needed to go.” “What about the first time?” “Even that led you to this moment. You’re gonna kick that Witch’s ass.” He gave her firm ground to build her identity that has space for the self, beyond her abilities after spending so much of her life being defined as ONLY her abilities. she didn’t feel like the author of her own story because the world didn’t either, she was only ever a cog in the machine of the community (Wanda, the sorcerers, The Illuminati). While for Stephen, simply having her around was enough. He gave her something that only a parent, the thing she was robbed of, can give: unconditional love.

Stephen being the one to give her this safe space to build her identity, means the most to her because she inherently dislikes the “concept” of his identity. “Of the two Doctor Stranges I've met, you are not my favorite.”. America already had difficulty trusting him because the last Strange she met and seemingly liked, nearly killed her. Defender Strange didn't trust her to be able to control her powers and prioritized the community of the multiverse over her which as discussed is the source of her anxiety. To be given validation from a Stephen Strange means that America Chavez can now begin living her life the way she chooses, because that trauma caused by Defender Strange’s betrayal and near murder, which perpetuated her lifelong anxiety, has been healed.

Through Stephen treating her with empathy, compassion and unconditional love America Chavez finally gained control over her own life and identity, which is encapsulated by him literally giving her control over how the conflict ends. she can now figure out who she wants to be, which gives new meaning to her being trained in Kamar-Taj. She is no longer defined by her role to the larger community of the Multiverse.

Third, I love how much their relationship actually builds off of his and Peter Parker’s throughout Infinity War up to NWH. Stephen Strange, despite how much he grew from an overt egotistical control freak in Doctor Strange (2016), was still ultimately willing and actually did, let a child die in order to save the universe.

“If it comes to saving you, or the kid, or the Time Stone...I will not hesitate to let either of you die.”

It was Stephen’s choice to let The Snap happen, to let Peter along with half of the universe die, and at the end of the day, cost Peter a father figure in Tony Stark. Stephen is in some small part responsible for the void Tony left that leads to Far From Home, but he still did it because he believed there was no other way out. A mentality that he didn’t let go of going into NWH.

“In the grand scheme of the multiverse, their sacrifice means infinitely more then their lives.”

That sentiment led to Stephen and Peter coming to blows because Stephen in NWH valued the wider community over the individual and didn’t look to find a compromise that included Peter’s altruistic worldview. And this mistake leads to him having to help Peter destroy his identity as 'Peter Parker' to save the world. But in MoM, Stephen gets to look after a kid who like Peter, lost their parents and had so many people hunting after them. But this time, he values her above the wider community. He redeemed his failure to look after Peter in Infinity War and NWH by saving and caring for America, along with giving her a home and guardians to look after her when he's busy. Stephen and Peter’s relationship subconsciously prepared him to have a more sympathetic heart for America, even if he doesn’t remember where he got it from. Thanks to Peter, Stephen can now be the pillar of support and love that Peter needed, but instead to someone else.

Fourth, I think the added canon information about Stephen’s sister Donna adds another layer to his relationship to America, along with Peter. Stephen lost Donna when they were kids and as such, the reason why he hated kids in the first place is because he saw them as irresponsible and reckless, which may be what he thought of himself after he couldn't save Donna. Like Marc Spector, he blamed himself for the loss of his sibling and desperately tried to stop that event from happening again by becoming a perfectionistic doctor, but instead of Marc just internalizing his pain to the point of questioning his right to live, Stephen projected those thoughts onto all kids. He transmitted his own self-disgust to them, because deep down he didn’t want them to make the same mistakes he made.

“You’ve always excelled, not because you crave success, but because of your fear of failure.”

“It’s what made me a great doctor.”

“It’s precisely what kept you from greatness. Arrogance and fear, still keep you from learning the most important lesson of all...it’s not about you.”

Which is why his relationship to America is so important. Through her, Stephen got to conquer his fear of failure: he fully "surrendered" control, trusting her to be able to beat Wanda.

“You cannot beat a river into submission. you have to surrender to it’s current, and use it’s power as your own.”

Infinity War/Endgame was a step in this, because while Stephen was relying on others to carry on what he started, he knew it would work based on both what he saw in the Time Stone, and the past track record of the Avengers: essentially a free fall knowing the safety net would eventually be placed there by professionals, whereas with America, he had only known her for at most a day, and she didn’t have the superhero track record. Yet he trusted her to be able to get there. He literally had to reanimate/possess a corpse of himself that "failed" in order to save her, finally embracing the idea that he could fail for the first time since losing Donna.

(also brings Agatha’s line from WandaVision: “kids...can’t control ‘em.” into new perspective, but that’s worth it’s own post)

Fifth, the reason he could trust America to do it is because, like father like daughter, she and Stephen are alike in many ways. She’s sassy, reckless (Stephen nearly opened a door to the Dark Dimension during his first go with the Time Stone), extremely powerful yet struggles with the most basic spells, fond of rule-breaking, and impatient. But it’s not just their surface level similarities, by the end of the movie, America quite literally takes after her dad in conflict resolution: by working smarter and not harder. Stephen used the Time Stone to outsmart Dormammu, and America used her portal powers to show Wanda the monster she was becoming (albeit with a little bit of punching).

And Sixth, she makes him smile, and makes him laugh. To be able to have fun and to laugh every once in a while, especially in a lonely job as his is important. Only Christine and Wong were able to do that, the people he values the most. (Im sorry, it just makes me so happy to see Stephen openly joking and laughing after so many years of being stoic)

In summary, I just love Stephen Strange & America Chavez, and I hope to god we get more of them in the, preferably immediate, future.

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novelconcepts · 2 years

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Well, your first mistake was expecting me to root for Stephen Strange over Wanda Maximoff.

#doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #look I know she’s gonna well off the deep end but it is hardly a fair fight #love America and Christine though more of them please #honestly it’s really fun seeing raimi do a full horror version of the MCU equation #just…Wanda’s my girl. even when she’s being a murderous loon.#we love those love quinn vibes. girl get some therapy and a snack it’ll be okay

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houseofheimdall · 2 years

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me after seeing MoM:

#like… what did i even watch???#marvel #doctor strange #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #stephen strange #wanda maximoff #scarlett witch #benedict cumberbatch #elizabeth olsen #marvel cinematic universe #mcu #america chavez #doctor strange spoilers #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers

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mormonbatmanlover · 2 years

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This is all I could picture during that scene

#I have such mixed feeling about Multiverse of Madness #I want to love it #But I can't #wanda maximoff #america chavez #marvel #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers

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the-mjolnir-owner · 2 years

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Some people with so much...

...some people with so little

#stephen strange #thor #doctor strange #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #life is unfair isn't it XD #if you're wondering how did thor get a new eye...#don't mind me I'm working bye

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kawaiiblue18 · 2 years

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I just think his third eye is neat

#doctor strange #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange 2 #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #ds: mom #ds: mom spoilers #doctor strange 2 spoilers #third eye #doctor strange third eye #art #digital art #fanart #marvel

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lesbians4levinson2021 · 2 years

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MoM

sooooooo I just got back from watching Dr Strange 2 so spoilers under the cut

It was pretty good! The energy of the cinema I was in definitely helped with my enjoyment of it as they cheered when certain things happened and all that jazz but firstly the stuff I liked:

THE HORROR VIBESSSSS!!!! Unexpected but so good?? like I genuinely jumped when Wanda appeared many times and when she looked straight at the camera? OMG IM OBSESSED which leads me to my second point of things I liked WANDA HERSELF!!! omg she was so cool and badass but also redeemed herself at the end which I liked. Elizabeth’s performance was as always amazing and yeah her character is just so cool, especially in this film. I also really loved the ways in which they kept the fight scenes fresh, from the two doctor stranges’ fighting it out with musical notes to strange and mordo going back to the classic hand to hand combat it stopped any sense of repetition between the battles

Now what I didn't like:

The way in which America “realised” her powers, like it was just Strange saying “hey you’ve been controlling them the whole time” and then her going “oh yeah” and then just doing it??? Like idk let queen figure that shit out by herself or something also during that ‘heart to heart’ scene between her and zombie Strange I couldn’t stop laughing like idk who thought it was a good idea to have a sincere scene with a decaying corpse but it shouldn’t have happened lmao.

Next the cameos, I’m kinda torn on this because I LOVE JOHN KRANSINSKI!!! Also Professor X along with the alternates of Captain Marvel and Carter were cool but like they showed up and died almost instantly like 💀 and although I’m glad we don't have to see Peggy’s nazi ass again I feel like all of their characters could’ve been more in the film (before they died towards the end which I absolutely felt was necessary otherwise it’d probably get confusing with all these canon MCU alternates existing together). It kinda seemed that they were really only there after Marvel saw the success of NWH having secret cameos so MoM wanted to do the same thing 🤷‍♀️

So overall a good superhero film that I wouldn’t mind watching again even for just the Easter eggs but in the grand scheme of Marvel films? Its not in my favs

#multiverse of madness #multiverse of madness spoilers #doctor strange 2 spoilers #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #doctor strange: mom #doctor strange: mom spoilers

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sultansdaughter · 2 years

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// Finally watched Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness and i’m shook. I’m so concerned for my girl, Wanda. She deserves all of the hugs. I want to hear y’alls thoughts/ theories on the ending

#Out of the palace (ooc)#doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #MoM spoilers

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mrd-gvf · 2 years

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So Wanda has all this power yet she can’t just create her kids again? Am I missing something? If she’s able to have them in other universes then it must be possible to do so in her own universe. Like she apparently she can have them in every other multiverse but she can’t figure out how to have them in her own?

Also Vision is still alive. Why is she spending all that time murdering a bunch of people to be with kids that she can literally create with her mind instead of looking for Vision?

I just don’t understand the concept of this movie

#multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers

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sweetaspiesammy · 2 years

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she can do whatever the hell she wants!! you go girlie <3

#girlboss time!!#doctor strange spoilers #wanda maximoff #doctor strange #doctor strange in the multiverse of madness #doctor strange and the multiverse of madness #multiverse of madness #scarlet witch #doctor strange 2 #doctor strange mom

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championashley · 2 years

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I know people online have already begun comparing Stephen & America to Tony & Peter (which I am NOT criticizing), but I think how the two duos met actually highlights a big difference: Tony was already looking for Peter by the time they met, while America was dropped into Stephen's lap. and it makes sense for both characters: Tony was a man who couldn't stop tinkering, always looking for a new solution and by Age of Ultron wanted to retire and be replaced.

While Stephen wasn’t looking for an heir, partly because of his previous hatred of kids, but also because he was the man "holding the knife" and kept people at arm's length because he was scared of losing them like he lost Donna. Both Peter and America gave Tony and Stephen what they needed: For Tony, a legacy; someone he could trust to watch over the world after he’s gone. For Stephen, kinship; someone who understands what he goes through, and is capable/willing to stand by him through thick and thin.

Im extremely interested to see where they take America and Stephen’s relationship in the future when she either A: finds her moms, B: goes off on her own, or C: does something completely different.

#text #meta writing #doctor strange #steven strange #america chavez #tony stark #iron man #peter parker #spiderman #multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness #doctor strange: multiverse of madness spoilers #marvel #mcu

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linusbenjamin · 6 months

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