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mysterioushistorian · 7 months

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The Beforus Ancestors

honestly, i didnt like how the drawings turned out. i searched for references for the ancestors but i didnt manage to draw them the way i wanted to. most of the designs are okay, though i still feel like some of them are missing something, like colors.

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The Treasure Huntress (aka. Beforan Aradia) She was a very skilled adventurer and loved finding historic artifacts. She had a special taste for East Beforan art and culture. During her adventures, she met a violetblooded sea dweller who also had a fascination for history and dedicated his life to study and learn more about it. Together, they traveled along each other with the goal of learning more about the history of their planet, and eventually, they developed feelings for each other. However, the warmblooded girl was pale, while the coolblooded boy was red. The unspoken tension between each other lead to a fight, which ended in surprise on both sides over the admittance of feelings. Not wanting to disappoint each other, they agreed to just stay friends.

The Guardian (Beforan Tavros) He he stood up for the rights of trolls in special needs, and by that, he was also heavily against culling (as in the Beforan meaning of culling), saying that nobody should be treated that way (as helpless and fragile, making them too dependant) and by doing that, they would be "hiding the truth of the world from the children" by basically being way too overprotective. He was a farm boy, living in the country sides with his moirail, who mainly took care of the stables. Their farm was open to public visits, and one day, a certain coolblooded visitor has caught his attention. He wished to re-encounter with the man someday. One day, he has suffered a very sudden mutation that made him sprout wings, with him finally being able to realize his dream of traveling the world to spread the word about the dangers of culling and the rights of trolls in special needs.

(please correct me if I got the wrong meaning of Beforan culling, as I will talk about it again)

Radiical Psygamer (Beforan Sollux) He was, perhaps, the greatest programmer that Beforus has ever seen. With his magnificent skills, he was responsible for massively improving trolls’ technology and has contributed to the creation of a few robots and helped with the coding of various popular games. He was, however, a terrible teacher, given his introversion and general social awkwardness. He was a big figure in the world of console games and was the first to actively encourage girls to play games too.

The Unculled (Beforan Karkat) Because of his rare candy red blood, no lusus wanted to raise him, leaving him there all alone. One day, he was found by a purpleblooded man who took him to his hive in hopes that someone would pick him. They waited, and waited, and waited… but no lusus came. Tired of waiting, the big troll decided to raise the grub himself. Because of his caretaker, the mutantblooded grew up to be loud, tough and intimidating, but had a big, friendly heart and cared for his loved ones a lot.

Sharpeye Furrline (Beforan Nepeta) She was a very skilled huntress. According to herself, she only killed what she ate, and if she didn’t eat, killing them would be mean. She could hunt creatures from a very small size to ones that were the double of her own. One day, while hunting for her dinner, she has killed a creature that was going to become a Lusus of a small wriggler. Therefore, she has accidentally unlocked the rage of a coolblooded troll. Terrified, she knew she couldn’t fight back, so she ran as fast as she could, far away from that beach. No one knows what happened to her.

The Seamstress (Beforan Kanaya) A rare jadeblood with a rare taste for fashion. She became known for her dresses with odd patterns, inspired by the landscapes around her. She also traveled in search of different sights and, consequently, more ideas for dresses. Her works have eventually caught the attention of the Empress, who offered her a job as her official seamstress.

The Attorney (Beforan Terezi) She was a blind woman who did not allow her disability to hold her back. She fought back against Beforus’ culling policy and became a excellent lawyer. Dedicating herself to fight against crime and bring justice to maintain the order and peacefulness of her planet, she chased a mischievous pirate lady who seemed to cause trouble everywhere she passed. She was The Unculled’s matesprit.

Arachnid Cap8tain (Beforan Vriska) A troublemaker who caused mischief together with her pirate crew. She considered The Attorney her rival, as she was the only one who insisted in chasing her and never gave up on her quest to capture the spider pirate. A completely platonic rivalry. She held a special interest for snooker and said that the Ball 8 was actually “her lucky ball”.

The Horseman (Beforan Equius) A STRONG man who really liked horses. He lived in a farm with his moirail and was responsible for taking care of the stables. Because of his interest, they ended up having way too many horses, which resulted in them having to build a larger stable for all of them. He loved every single one of them and took great care of each one. He said he occasionally had dreams where he was half a man and half a horse (basically a centaur), which is the origin of his title.

The Clownish Caretaker (Beforan Gamzee) He rescued lususless grubs and wrigglers with an absent lusus and took care of them temporarily, until a new lusus came to become their official guardian. Despite being tall, lanky and overall intimidating, he was a very sweet and cheerful man, and loved entertaining others. Just like others, he was also heavily against culling and said that “every motherfucker should know and be able to defend themselves.” One day, a lusus was coming to his hive to pick up a grub, but it was killed by Shapeye Furrline. The man never felt so much rage before. The pure platonic hate he held towards the woman was bigger than the amount of hate he thought he could feel. Despite that, and contrary to popular belief, he did not chase the lady and took him quite some time to calm down. He was responsible for raising The Unculled and made sure to treat him properly.

The Historian (Beforan Eridan) A seadweller with a huge fascination for history, he dedicated his life to learn more about the mysteries of his world. He read diares and looked for accurate informations, instead of believing in telltale stories. He studied ancient walls and occasionally collected some artifacts, purely for research reasons, and that’s when he met The Treasure Huntress. They decided to travel together, and it did not take long for him to become flushed for her. Unfortunately, she did not return the feelings, instead being pale for him. They agreed to stay friends, but very deep inside, he was still a bit disappointed.

Her Glorious Imperialist (Beforan Feferi) The ruler of Beforus. She was a very kind and sweet woman, undoubtedly one of the best rules Beforus has ever seen. She treated her people with fairness, yet despise that, she was pro-culling, saying that some should not face the dangers of the world. After offering a job for The Seamstress, she and the jadeblood grew close. Despite being the one in charge of the planet, she decided to take care of Arachnid Cap8tain herself, and being a seadweller, it wasn’t hard to find her. She still congratulated The Attorney for her efforts in chasing the troublemaker pirate.

#mareys dump #homestuck #hom3stuck #beta trolls #beforus #beforus ancestors #aradia megido #tavros nitram #sollux captor #karkat vantas #nepeta leijon #kanaya maryam #terezi pyrope #vriska serket #equius zahhak #gamzee makara #eridan ampora #feferi peixes

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incorrect-hs-quotes · 6 months

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SOLLUX: ii had a really bad miigraiine la2t niight, but iive run out of everythiing except the2e "beforan" paiin kiiller2 my lu2u2 gave me four 2weep2 ago. anyway ii dont remember anythiing and ii cant feel my tongue and the only thiing iin my 2earch hii2tory ii2 thii2

SOLLUX: anyway can 2omeone driive me two the ho2piital

ARADIA: what state are y0u in?

SOLLUX: pretty bad

ARADIA: Y0UR L0CATI0N

#submission #MEATBALL PUSSY?#it wasnt complete until the screenshot was in the quirk too #homestuck #incorrect homestuck quotes #quote #mod dave #sollux captor #aradia megido #meatball pussy..............

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nekropsii · 11 months

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i've seen a trend around of people making beforus version of the betas, or saying they exist on beforus— is this true? i know there's at least an alpha feferi on beforus because of her being the empress and all, but does that mean the other beta trolls exist on beforus? i'm a little confused by the whole thing, haha

Yes, it's true. You have to remember that Beforus and Alternia exist because of a Scratch. It's always going to be the same deal as the Kids and Guardians swapping roles.

Dave is Dave in the Beta Kid session before the Scratch, and Bro is Bro. Then, when the Scratch happens, the Alpha Kid session exists, wherein Bro is Dirk and Dave is Bro. Kankri is Kankri on Beforus, but The Signless on Alternia. Similarly, Sollux is Sollux on Alternia, and would have his own Scratched version wherein he is filling the role of an Ancestor to Mituna, similarly to how The Psiioniic fills the role of Ancestor to Sollux.

So, to reiterate, yes, Beforan Feferi is real, and she's why Beforus is like that. Just like how The Condesce is real, and that's why Alternia is like that, and why Meenah exists alongside her. It's Scratch shenanigans.

The only reason this seems confusing is because we do not actually get to see or hear about the Beforan Ancestors. They're too far removed from the plot.

#homestuck #homestuck meta #homestuck analysis #beforus #alternia #the scratch #alpha trolls #beforan trolls #dancestors #alpha kids #beta kids #beta trolls #the ancestors #beforus.pdf #nekro.pdf #nekro.sms

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cicada-sprites · 3 months

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shout out to all the beforus ancestor kins

(a culled beforan sollux "the starseer", a rebel leader beforan sollux "the operator", and a heir of doom class swap sollux)

#mod sollux #personal sprite #sollux captor #beforus sollux captor #yaay #class swap

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derseprinceoftbd · 10 days

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Rewriting the Alpha Captor.

https://www.tumblr.com/derseprinceoftbd/747652362263527424/the-alpha-troll-rewrite-project?source=share

Damara

Rufioh

Mituna is...

Difficult. Much like Damara, he doesn't exactly speak coherently, or have much pleasant to say. He's also a character defined, nay, completely reshaped by trauma; the closest Trollian equivalent in my mind is Ghost Aradia. Mituna needs a big overhaul; like Dams, he has a cool design, a cool name, but not much else. Let's see what we can take from Sollux and the Helmsman and extrapolate into something else.

Mituna Captor is a cadet in the Beforan Psionic Core, and the Page of Doom. He experiences mood swings even more than Sollux, oscillating between a confident high-energy sardonic side and a deeply apologetic depressed one, reflecting the most dualist Class, Page, and its partiularly stark conception of an "unevolved" and "evolved" version of a Player.

His Lusus is a hornet, and he (compreses double leters into one). He leans into yellow-and-black aesthetics, just as Sollux did with red and blue. He's practically blind without his bifocals, and, like his Ancestor, the Cybernet, tends to regard the elder Captor's creation of the internet as a deeply regrettable mistake.

Mituna is deeply frustrated with his societal role; while there are no strict blood hierarchies on Beforus, those born with his/Damara's brand of psionics are under quite a lot of pressure to use their abilities in certain societally permitted ways, such as his already having been funneled into a literal pilot program. (He frequently comes into conflict, potentially of a Pitch variety, with Darmen, who believes him to be a waste of a destiny of flight.)

Mituna's real desire is to join the ranks of Law Enforcement, a fitting occupation for a Doom Player, along with Matesprit Latula; he has studied extensively for the job, though when depressed, admits it unlikely he would ever make the cut. (This is inspired by the old Troll Cops Fanon.)

His Land is the technological dystopia LOPAO, Land Of Punk And Order, and his Chumhandle is tumultArrested.

Wednesday: Kankri.

#homestuck #alpha trolls #the alpha trolls #pre scratch Trolls #beforus #mituna #mituna captor #sollux captor #the helmsman #the psiioniic #homestuck rewrite #rewriting homestuck #fantroll #page of doom

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kayforpay · 1 month

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my first thought was 'accidental eggs Gamzee' when I saw your prompts thing.

Karkat is surprisingly territorial. Granted, Gamzee wasn't surprised when they were younger, before everything that happened in the game, but he was surprised now.

Karkat had, after all, been the one to suggest they start dating from the beginning. And Gamzee had sincerely tried to meet him there, despite how often he found himself wishing he could skip pretending to get to know him again and just lay on his chest. They had managed one human earth "month" of platonic dates, before Karkat had come to his hive in the middle of the night and asked if he could have a kiss.

Far be it from Gamzee to say no.

The next "month", after several more dates that felt like dates used to, Gamzee realized fully that Karkat wasn't actually as comfortable distancing himself as he acted. There were signs, like the fact that he still initiated most of their piles or anything, but this was definitely the clearest indication Gamzee got.

They were sitting outside, enjoying a lukewarm day, and Meulin came up to them. Gamzee liked her well enough, and since he had at least a rudimentary knowledge of Alternian Sign Language, she had been coming to meet him more often than not; seems her group was as yet unwilling to learn.

"Gamzee! Do you wanna get something to eat?"

Since he was at that moment laying his head on Karkat's back, he took a second to respond, speaking the words as he did for Karkat's benefit. "I'm busy right now. Can he join?"

Karkat frowned at the corner of Gamzee's eye, but stayed silent, only putting his hands on Gamzee's thighs where they sat around his own.

"I wanted to take you out. You can ditch him, right?" That same, casual Beforan energy. It was worst about any of the mutants; Sollux or Rufioh, messiahs forbid Tavros even. They had been raised to not just consider Karkat and Kankri as lesser, but to think they were almost non-entities. "You don't have a pale, do you?"

Non-entities in dating, especially. Even the ones who knew Kankri for a while seemed to act that way a lot of the time.

Gamzee's frown matched Karkat's, partially because he had copied it so much to try and get his way on Alternia. "I'm with him right now. Stop talkin' about Karkat like he's not even here. Don't wanna go out with you, anyways, Nep would--"

He didn't have a chance to finish speaking, because Karkat stood, and offered a hand to Gamzee. When he took it, Karkat started leading him off, back towards his hive, stomping every step of the way. Meulin looked upset, but Gamzee didn't really feel much sympathy for her, all things considered, and resolved to send her a text later, maybe.

As soon as the door slammed behind Gamzee and he was closed up in Karkat's hive, Karkat was on him, pressing his face to the side of Gamzee's throat and stuffing his hands under his shirt. He turned his head, pressed a kiss to the base of Karkat's horn, and got pulled into a kiss that was half teeth a moment later.

"Baby, are you made at me?" Gamzee mumbled, stroking his palms over Karkat's cheeks. "You don't gotta be gentle."

Karkat froze, and settled his palms on Gamzee's shoulders. "I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at her. And all the other fucking Beforans, for acting like that. She asked you out when I was sitting in your lap! On Alternia, I would be expected to gut her!" He shook with bottled-up anger, and Gamzee kissed his forehead.

"Yeah, but the others'd get upset." He purred, rubbing his nose against Karkat's own. "Does it help you're the only troll I ever want in my diamond?"

He opened his eyes to Karkat's own wide, pale red tears threatening to spill over the edges. "The only one?" His face was flushed, and the heat suffused Gamzee's hands.

"Course, sweet. Only one I've ever wanted, only one I'll ever want. You're my perfect pink."

Karkat wasn't rough, kissing him again. He pushed Gamzee's shirt up, and slid his tongue into Gamzee's mouth, but pulled away after only a second. "D'you wanna lay down?"

The pile they'd made at Karkat's hive was plush, constructed mostly of his sweaters and blankets with too many holes to keep using for anything else. Even though it was easy to get new things now, they were both partial to the well-loved feel of old things like this, so they had silently agreed to keep it that way. Besides, it meant Karkat wasn't going to be upset if Gamzee's face smeared onto the blankets.

He fell into it with Karkat on top of him, the concentrated weight and softness of his stomach pinning him down in a way that always made Gamzee melt, this time included. Karkat licked his ear while he moved to straddle Gamzee's waist, his bulge twisting against the front of his jeans already. It had been a long time, after all, since they had really had any reliable outlet for that, too.

Karkat pulled his shirt off, dropping it to be lost in the pile, and ran his hands down Gamzee's chest, leaving a trail of goosebumps from how warm he was. "You're so pretty, Gamzee. You have to look out, trolls are gonna want to be with you because of it." He said it matter-of-factly, and Gamzee felt his neck get hot about it.

"You're teasin' me, Karbaby." Not that he was complaining. "Are you jealous?"

He gasped when Karkat stuffed a hand down his pants, hot fingers pressing against the lips of his sheathe. Karkat slid off of him to push his pants down, rubbing his fingers over his sheathe until Gamzee's bulge slid out a few inches to wrap around them. Then, he was kissing Gamzee's stomach, his hips, and he turned his head to look at Gamzee directly when Gamzee sat up on his elbows.

"Yeah, I am. I'm jealous anyone else looks at you at all, Gamzee." He sounded so miserable, so sincere and honest and pathetic, that Gamzee couldn't help but believe him. "Does that make me a bad palemate?"

Gamzee's hand covered Karkat's horn, half holding on as his bulge finished sliding out. "Nah. I love you, diamonds. Nothin' you did could make you a bad palemate." He smiled, and Karkat dug his teeth into Gamzee's hip bone, growling.

"Lift your legs, Gamzee." His fingers were pressing at the edge of his nook, rubbing insistently, and pressed in as soon as Gamzee spread his legs. "I love you. I love you so much." He thrust his fingers slowly, pressing the pads of them against the ceiling of Gamzee's nook, and followed him when it inevitably made him squirm.

"Fuck, lemme uh, lemme touch you, Karkat." His voice was a whine, hips rolling slightly, but Karkat only sat up to kiss him, firmly, even though it made his reach more shallow. "Baby, please?"

His other hand planted in the middle of Gamzee's chest, pushing him down with just enough force to keep him still. "Let me, Gamzee. I'm.." He bit the inside of Gamzee's thigh, and started thrusting his fingers more quickly. "I just want to. Just wait."

The first time was quick; he ripped some of the blankets in his fists, and Karkat praised him like he had done something special by spilling all over himself. The second time took a while to build to, and Gamzee felt almost so oversensitive he needed to stop several times, whining until Karkat slipped his hand into Gamzee's hair and kissed his face, purring at him, saying we can stop, if you want to and making Gamzee beg for him to continue.

When he came the second time, tears streamed down his cheeks, and his bulge, completely ignored around Karkat's wrist, only gave a weak twitch before clamping itself down against Karkat's skin again. "So good, Gamzee. I don't want anyone else to see you like this. Okay? No one else, you're mine."

His eyes felt sticky with quick-drying tears, but he nodded, looked up. "Okay, yeah. Love you." He sat up as much as he could, and pulled Karkat into a kiss. While he struggled to match Karkat's intensity, Karkat unzipped his pants, and only broke away to push them down.

Gamzee's nook was puffy and a little sore, and it made him flinch when Karkat pulled his fingers out. His bulge was softer, but after the first twist it was a stretch, and Gamzee whined, wrapping his arms and legs around Karkat as tightly as he could without hurting him, which he only really knew from the grunt his palemate let out.

Karkat's hips moved in jerky, quick movements that made Gamzee's bulge rub against his soft belly, and twitched a little faster when Gamzee's grip moved to the soft folds on his ribs, pinching his grubscars slightly. He was getting tense, sharp knees pressing into Karkat's sides and his claws threatening to dig into his beloved's skin, but he couldn't stop himself.

He yelped when Karkat pinned his hands down, leaning over Gamzee completely, and he shuddered as the combination of the deeper thrust and the weight of him on top pushed him over the edge again. Gamzee sobbed as he came, his bulge writhing angrily, and Karkat murmured against his neck.

"So good, so pretty, I love you, Gamzee. I love you." He moved a little faster, grinding the base of his bulge into the sore rim of his nook.

Head tossed back, Gamzee gasped. "Fuck, somethin'-- I can't, I can't stop it, babe, baby, diamond, mothefuck--"

Something moved through his bulge, solid and from the inside, and he couldn't make a single sound as an egg rolled against his stomach, the strange pain-pleasure mix making his eyes roll and his nook clench around Karkat. He spilled, white-hot material flooding Gamzee and pushing a second and third egg out of his bulge, followed by watery spurts of material.

"Fuck." Karkat was out of breath, grinding still, and released Gamzee's hands to cup his face. "That's so... Can you do that again?"

Gamzee blinked slowly. "Dunno. Didn't know I could at all. Felt fuckin... Weird."

#thnks fr th qstns #anon and on and on and on #drabbles #oviposition cw #egg laying cw #kink cw #smut text #gamkar #rails with pails #homestuck -------

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beforus-for-real-justice · 6 months

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ROUND THREE

This is BEFORUS FOR REAL JUSTICE, a blඞg staunchly against sensitive online SJWs and Rebels against the empire.

We’re Beforus trolls, who really love the history of Alternia! While we use the likenesses of these trolls, we do not claim to be them. This is not a kin blog.

We will fight for REAL justice, such as matters of Culling and whatnot.

RULES

No kin shit. Humans are not real. Aliens are not real. Alternia is not real. You cannot be a reincarnation of anyone or anything. We WILL make fun of you.

If you are trans-caste, leave.

We intend to keep the ask box open at all times.

Don't treat Mod Sollux Cirava like a Wiggler. Or it will return the favor.

We are pro-culling in the Beforan sense only.

Looking at the sun is your choice, but is generally considered inadvisable.

Apparently, Alternia is a hot button topic. Some deny it, and some don't. Specify which audience you want to hear you.

Mod Nepeta needs to leave.

Mod Scratch (Violetblood, Any)

Mods Cirava and Tiro (plus Carver but he's not actually a mod) (Goldblood, He/Him) Also seen on @culledcuriosity

Mod Tegiri (Oliveblood, He/They) ♥️ Also seen on @amorousconduction with Tyzias

Mod Terezi (Jadeblood, She/Her)

Mod Tyzias (Ceruleanblood, Any) ♥️

Mod Bronya (Cerluean, She/Her) Culler

Mod Lanque (Hemoanon, They/Them)

Mod Wanshi (Oliveblood, He/Him) Cullee

Mod Vriska Nepeta (Hemoanon, She/Her)

Mod Azdaja (Goldblood, He/She)

Mod Karkat (Hemoanon, He/She)

Mod Lynera (Cerulean, She/Her)

#intro #good grief this is written so unprofessionally - mod Lanque

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anachronistic-falsehood · 1 year

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ok ok of u wont talk abt them on ur official analysis post HERE 🎫 i am handing u a free pass to go OFF about passive/active class and also muse of life/lord of doom >:] ooooo infecting you with classpect brain worms....

*visibly trembling like a chihuahua out of excitement* WELLLLLLLL. I SUPPOSE. IF U INSIST

OK. OK. Tristamp Vash. guy who's got feminine characteristics in his story, narrative foil to his twin brother who's got a lot of masculine characteristics. We got that down we're all caught up!! classpect time :3 (putting this under a read more because this got LONG)

Obviously classpects vary wildly between different people's perspectives, and even within the text of Homestuck itself, but there are some heavily implied roles that each class/aspect has. Time is generally an aspect associated with masculinity, Witches are typically girls, etc. Ofc Vash and Knives can have different classpects than these, but making them a Muse of Life and Lord of Doom respectively just FITS. SO WELL.

Since there's only one Muse and one Lord in Homestuck, there's not much to draw from when analyzing these classes, but there are some insinuations to be made! Muses likely a class more common in women, and Lords are likely more often men. The Life aspect is one that in text, we have only seen in female players, and only male players have had the Doom aspect (not that those aspects are gender-exclusive, but it is a PATTERN).

Life is a nurturing, motherly aspect. Jane Crocker is often treated/seen as a mother (despite being 16, which is a whole other can of worms), and her older self, Nanna Egbert, is one of the few Homestuck characters to canonically be a mother!!! Feferi is the heiress to an entire planet, and her Beforan self is a coddling motherly figure to her empire. Vash is the silent guardian of No-Man's Land, protecting people and being kind and gentle to everyone ESPECIALLY KIDS! We've seen how he is with kids, in Tristamp and every other version! Also in Tristamp, Vash is. a fucking parent now. Knives used Vash to make all these Plants get pregnant. Very violating, but it fits with the maternal themes already associated with him.

Knives and Doom. The only two Doom players we have are the Captors (and I am by no means an expert on Mituna so we're mostly working with Sollux here). However, both are shown to have powers that have extremely destructive potential. Sollux is also a Dave parallel, which means he's also a Masculine Cool Kid, just to a lesser extent. Doom isn't an inherently masculine aspect but there are bits and pieces of it reflected in the people who hold that aspect.

It's also... an extremely lonely aspect. There are only two people who hold it, one of which is a joke character, and the other of which isn't even present for the kids' victory. It's not a needed aspect for a successful session. Neither is Life, but it's still a good one to have in many sessions! Doom is more so an extra, something more directly helpful when it's paired with a negative class (Bard, Prince, Rogue, Thief, etc.). It's not needed to balance anything out except for the Aspect Wheel itself in the coding of Sburb. Knives is a very lonely character. He's not needed. Not in the lives of Plants and humans, and not in the life of his brother.

Now for Classes! Muses are passive; things happen to them, they rarely make things happen. Calliope sat around and waited for someone to come rescue her with a ring of life, doing nothing but telling her story to the poor dead souls who crossed her path. Alt!Calliope finally took action in the end, but how long did that take? How long was she stuck in the bubbles, searching for very specific souls to guide them to the right paths? Aimless and wandering with no one and nothing to keep her grounded, HMMM DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE A HUMANOID TYPHOON WE KNOW??? HMMMMMMM

In contrast, Lords are very active. Caliborn takes charge, makes decisions, and works off of a myriad of terrible instincts and loose guidance. He's also an incredibly masculine character (or so he wants us to think). He takes control over his sister's life, he takes control over the lives of others when he's part of Doc Scratch and then Lord English. He is the puppeteer! Everyone else is just an object for his own gain, HMMMM DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE A GENOCIDAL PLANT THAT WE KNOW?? HMMMMM

Maybe if Knives chose a different path, he could have been a Prince, or a Thief, but he's a Lord of Doom. This is the path he's chosen, much like Caliborn and how he chose to kill his sister and enter a dead session. This is what Knives has chosen to do. Both are forcing the world and their siblings into whatever roles they see fit.

The Lord of Time shatters the universe- Space itself, the realm of his sister. The Lord of Doom shatters the Life of his brother. This is not the inherent role of a Lord, but these are the paths they have chosen. The narrative parallels are there. The Lord kills the Muse, he takes choice away from the universe, he breaks it for his own gain.

#whiskeys word soup #trigun #trigun stampede #homestuck #didn't think i'd be putting trigun and homestuck tags on the same post but HERE WE ARE BABEY!!!!!#genuinely did not mean for this to get so long i've been doing trigun analysis all day i think #it's just. it drives me crazy. rotating classpects in my mind ALL THE TIME ALWAYS AND FOREVER!!!

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ad1ostoreador · 2 years

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((also because meta essaying about troll genders and language is fun:

consider: troll languages being highly inflected, with grammatical markers to indicate things like different degrees of formality, the speaker's pronouns/gender, the audience's pronouns/gender, the relative gap in status between speaker and audience, and other things that English largely does not do.

(waxing so damn long-winded beyond the cut)

first: I am operating from a base headcanon of "trolls do not have any real distinguishing physical sexual characteristics between male and female. nook + bulge for everyone, baby. effectively 'male' and 'female' may not even exist in the ways that humans think about them, for trolls, but troll *gender* is a system heavily codified in expected societal roles and behavior. moreover, a bunch of human teens as first time observers were completely unprepared in the field of xenosociology, and probably made some really big mistaken assumptions about what troll genders mean, or are, or are signified by, and a bunch of troll teens probably didn't have the xenosociological chops to correct their misunderstandings.

second: troll gender is generally heavily influenced by the type of lusus. I originally had this headcanon of the biological sex of the lusus somehow affecting the hormone balance of the young troll, and playing a role in gender determination, but.... I don't like that so much now. it's not like the trolls would really have a concrete way to determine what biological sex random animals were, and with some animals, it's a struggle for trained professionals to figure that out without in-depth testing. so, new idea: it's not about the sex of the lusus, it's about the aggression level of the lusus. highly aggressive lusii tend to produce more aggressive trolls, and increased aggression, violence, and reactivity are definitely coded as feminine traits, for trolls. what if trolls, as they evolved from hive-structured social insectoids, operate on genders like 'soldier/guard' and 'worker', not 'male' and 'female'?

consider the canon trolls. Nepeta, Terezi, Vriska, and Feferi all have aggressive, dangerous *predators* as lusii. Aradia may be an exception, but we do not know much about the kangaram lusus, and it might be an aggressive type too--kangaroos can and do attack, and rams can be pretty damn aggressive. Kanaya is a special case: her societally imposed gender is not exactly 'girl', it's 'mothergrub-tender'. I'll come back to her later! out of the boys, Tavros, Equius, and Eridan have what *seem* to be calmer, quieter, less aggressive lusii, Gamzee's is absent and not really a formative influence on his behavior, and Sollux's is drugged into a stupor most of the time. Karkat's is distinctly excitable and aggressive in comparison, but he is off-spectrum, and falls outside the expected order of things, too. (does this mean Karkat is actually considered feminine by troll standards? it arguably could.)

third: coming back to the special case of Kanaya. I think it could be argued that 'jade' is a distinct gender, for trolls. there are specific roles for jadebloods, held by no one else, and the way they are treated and the standards they are held to are completely different from any other group or caste. on this note... jadebloods who reject their societal role? super GNC at the very least, and may consider themselves trans by troll standards. with Hussie's hamhanded handling of 'Beforan feminism', what if Porrim were advocating not for 'women's rights' but for 'jade rights', freedom for jadebloods to act outside the strictures of their very controlled gender-caste? it'd make a lot more sense under that lens, than somehow arguing simultaneously that the upper echelons and rulership of troll society are predominantly women, society idealizes and pressures trolls to conform to 'female' behaviors, and yet somehow troll women... are oppressed on the basis of being women? because the latter reads about as well as a meninist rant.

fourth: looping way back to language! consider a language in a heavily stratified, caste-based society, in which the statement "I am asking you to do X for me" carries a shit-ton of additional information, grammatically. a troll might use specific pronouns to indicate their gender (aggressor/soldier/fem or cooperator/worker/masc) as well as their caste position (low, mid, high, or even tyrian-supreme). they might do the same for the person they are speaking to. they might use honorific forms of verbs, or phrasing, depending on the caste gap.

a bronzeblood boy speaking to a purpleblood girl, might say "I (lowblood-masc) am asking (respectfully, low-to-high) you (highblood-fem) to do X (kindly, obligingly, as a favor) for me (lowblood-masc)".

the same purpleblood girl, addressing the bronzeblood boy, would say "I (highblood-fem) am asking (derogatorily, high-to-low) you (lowblood-masc) to do X (overtones of obligation, threat-of-death-if-noncompliant) for me (highblood-fem)".

fifth: now that I've gone through all of that, we know from some canon off-hand statements Sollux makes that he kind of doesn't get the big deal about hemocastes. so maybe he's colorblind? can't actually see those distinctions reliably? maybe instead/also, he spent so much time on the darkweb as a kiddo, talking with people who were hiding their caste/gender information and using very neutral language, that he automatically defaults to speaking the same way in face to face situations, and considers all those extra layers of grammatical structure as a tedious, pointless waste of time.

so Sollux, talking to anyone, is more like "I (anon-neutral) am asking (root-neutral) you (anon-neutral) to do X (root-neutral) for me (anon-neutral)", and probably a lot of more traditionally socialized trolls find that incredibly confusing/abrupt or even transgressive, because how are they supposed to categorize and refer to Sollux in their own speech, then??? new gender dropped, it's this fucking anonymous darkweb-nerd who talks like he's selling crypto.))

#((ooc: mun talks #((meta babble #((fun with headcanons #((troll language and gender and culture

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gamey-geemer · 1 year

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Alright, so everyone knows the canon "This is totally probably true" stuff about Bard/Prince, Rogue/Thief and Muse/Lord being about Destroying, Stealing, and Controlling respectively, giving us 4 pairs remaining.

My proposal for those, as if nobody ever did exactly this with probably way better arguments than I have for something else.

Page/Heir: They create their aspect. John creates the wind that protects him from Bec Noir/Grimbark Jade, he creates the wind that clears the glitches, and going off of the idea that Blood represents connections and Breath is its opposite representing the freedom from attachment (not an unjustified idea for the same mythological reasons that Tibetan Buddhism was the foundation for the Air Nomads in Avatar) then he's the one who creates the freedom from the whole system set up by Lord English. Meanwhile, that I personally am aware of, Jake only uses his Page powers thrice, twice when he created his impossible Hope Field that managed to overpower both Grimbark Jade and Caliborn during his Masterpiece, and once that I don't really know about where he creates Hope in John in the Candy Timeline. As for Passive/Active, Jake is a self serving, even if we'll meaning, person while John is kind of the opposite, who everything he does throughout the entire narrative is for someone else, which is basically the dividing line of the active/passive split. Oh yeah, Tavros as a Page in one of the like 2 times he's relevant to the plot is him creating the freedom from Vriska, Equius doesn't do shit, Mituna burned his brain out creating a better fate/doom for all of his friends, and Horuss doesn't do shit that we know of. Also, it's pretty jank to have a destroyer class and not a creator class

Sylph/Witch: We really don't see Kanaya or Feferi use their fucking abilities throughout the entire series. We do see Damara as the Handmaid subtly manipulate Alternian society using her time power. Aranea manipulates Terezi into receiving her light, and Jade ultimately (save for her Green Sun powers, which give her loads of stuff outside of her Classpect powers) manipulates the scale of things and can levitate them. So needless to say I think that these classes are all about manipulation, finesse over raw power. As for active/passive, I like the symmetry of Witch being active since it sets up the human session to have only one active player in the beta and only one passive in the alpha (whoops did I just spoil my thoughts on Seer and Knight). I paired them also because more than any others these are linked by being about magic.

Mage/Seer: This is a fucking easy, they know shit. Mage might seem a bit weird, but since it drives from the ancient Persian word Magus, which was the priestly scholarly caste, it is sufficiently tied to academic knowledge. I already spoiled what I think the passive and active form are, but Rose tends to view the hard work necessary to acquire knowledge as a formality that she can skip. You see it in her regards to college for psychoanalysis, her quest in Sburb, how she treats the Troll romance lessons from Kanaya in the first timeline. Meanwhile, Sollux (while his eyes two fold have been ripped Open and he can't look away from their doom) studies. He studies how to be a ~ath programmer, he studies how everyone is going to die. Also, the Sufferer just awakens his visions of Beforan society and how people could be connected as opposed to doing any studying and coming to the conclusion that it's bullshit like how Tyzias and Stelsa do. Also, all three instances of Terezi using her mind powers (killing John, Deciding if she should kill Vriska, and charting the Retcon) were all to determine what course of action should be taken for the benefit of everyone else regardless of how it effected her. She was also entirely about using her abilities to better society by cutting out the criminals. Meulin doesn't do shit

And the last pair

Maid/Knight: These are kind of difficult since when I first started conceptualizing this these were kind of just the two that were left over. But then I realized, both Knights and Maids are typically relatively minor nobles signed into a life of servitude to a higher noble, either as a Lady in waiting for Maids or as the most powerful soldier in the case of Knights. They both are pretty much on the same spectrum of being brute force, since like Grimbark Jade says, the role of the Knight is to Weaponize their aspect in fights, and who's the only person who directly no shits given just uses their aspect to beat a mother fucker up with infinite raw power? Aradia. Dave and Aradia also both serve, serving as the cornerstone "Main person making sure everyone survives this fucking nightmare" people in their sessions, with Aradia ultimately doing so because one she isn't a dick, and two at the end of this she will get to see this whole place come crashing down (even if she isn't aware of that in the moment or even aware she wants to see that) while Karkat pretty directly serves by organizing all of his friends into an effective battle group. He weaponizes his friendship and connections to other people to their own benefits. Latula I don't think we see anything regarding her weaponizing or serving her mind, or Porrim with her Space powers.

#homestuck #classpect

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