#bc peggy does not matter as anything other than steve's love interest lol and they just continue showing that as far as i can tell

[rogersstevie]

really and truly unless it's a discussion about why peggy/steggy fans shouldn't like endgame, at this point idk why people feel the need to continually make the argument about her having a family as if that's the biggest problem about the ending especially when i figure most people are of the belief that it was another timeline or whatever idk what the current consensus on that is in the mcu and i don't care

but what about the fact that it destroyed steve's family? does that not matter because it's not the standard spouse and children but is instead a family he built for himself with sam and nat and bucky? because it's easier to decide steve is a selfish asshole and always has been instead of acknowledging that that storyline did more of a disservice to him than to anyone else? like oh maybe peggy's family was erased and that's horrible but it doesn't matter that steve's family was abandoned in the midst of the kind of trauma he knows very well?

i've said it before but it makes me so sad that so many people just turned on steve and decided a decade of movies don't matter in the face of one shitty desperate attempt of a movie to make him look like a pathetic creep just so they could justify their heterosexual nonsense ending

#steve rogers #anti steggy #anti endgame #also just occurred to me how part of the whole bullshit about not undoing five years #was so tony's daughter wouldn't be erased (even though like hey pepper could've already been pregnant in iw and it would've been fine) #but they had no qualms about peggy's family (since the writers and directors didn't even agree about the timelines) #bc peggy does not matter as anything other than steve's love interest lol and they just continue showing that as far as i can tell #marvel does not care about her as being anything but part of a ship that only ended up together #as a fulfillment of male fantasies and to try to squash stevebucky #so idk why fans are so defensive of marvel on that front #in the end anything redeeming that they wrote for her character was negated and stripped down so she's just a girlboss and a prize #neither of which are good things no matter how hard y'all try to put a feminist spin on it!

[skyangel22]

So I saw Endgame on Wednesday and I couldn’t write anything before bc I was too angry about it. It had good moments but mostly it was such a mess.

Time travel: I feel like they used this bc they had written themselves into a corner with IW and didn’t know how else to get out of it. Time travel isn’t my favorite storyline bc most of the time writers mess it up and it has too many holes in it. I thought maybe Marvel would do better but no it was messy.

They said you can’t change your past you create an alternative past but at the same time they say you shouldn’t change things. But they did it the entire time and when Steve went back in time they fucked it up entirely bc if you take their rules you create a different timeline but how is old Steve then back in the normal one? It’s bullshit that’s what it is.

I don’t want to hear any whining about people not understanding it bc that is the problem here. When people are so confused about it and don’t understand it at all then you didn’t write it good. When most of the audience has all kinds of different understanding or lack of it then you didn’t write it well enough.

Thanos: I thought he was better in IW. IDK what to think of him in Endgame tbh. I didn’t understand how he was so strong without the stones when Steve, Tony and Thor were fighting him.

Asgardians: Where did all of them come from? I thought most of them had died in IW? Also where the fuck did Valkyrie and Korg came from? Shouldn’t they have been dead when they had been on the ship at the of of Thor 3? IW started right after that.

Tony: The only thing I thought that was weird with him was that he didn’t want to be part of their plan from the beginning. I know he has a family now but he is still Tony and he doesn’t stay down on the floor when he is down and does nothing. But at least the didn’t keep that nonsense going on for long.

I’m not his biggest fan but I found his ending sad but well done. If he had to go like that at least he went with a heroes death where he saved everyone.

Clint: I don’t know about the Ronin storyline so I don’t know if they did it well enough. But for MCU Clint I found it ooc. From what we’ve seen of him I can’t see him go on a killing spree.

Bruce: WTF they’ve turned him into a joke. I don’t mind a joke here and there but this was too much they made him stupid with this shit.

Thor: Oh god don’t get me started on him. I thought that he was already too silly in Ragnarok but at least he had normal moments there. In Endgame he was ridiculous. They turned him into a total joke it was so bad.

Why didn’t they show that he was depressed/grieving/feeling guilty...something deeper than just having him make joke and have the others make mean jokes about him?

Then comes also the end where he doesn’t want to be king anymore? I know that as a prince he had to take the role but the Thor movies were there to show that he is worthy of the hammer and that he could be a good king and now they went with lol nope I don’t want it anymore.

Natasha: I’m not even a big Black Widow fan but I thought they did her really really dirty. They killed her the same way like they did with Gamora even after people saying it was such a shitty thing to do.

Then she only got that shitty little scene were they boys  barely showed any emotion. Why didn’t she get a proper funeral too esp. after the others were back? Show the boys now could actually grief and the ones who cames back could too. It was the least she had deserved.

I was really surprised about that in a bad was bc what’s the point of a Black Widow movie now? Everything will play in the past and she’ll only get one movie instead to wait and see how well it does and give her a trilogy.

Steve: OH MY GOD!!!!! I FUCKING HATE STEVE’S ENDING!! They did him dirty too. They really dry fucked him in the ass. What was the point of all the movies he was in when they do this to him in the end? How is it a proper end for a character like him? He was so ooc and it made zero sense.

They acted like he didn’t fit into this world like he was still the man out of time when he wasn’t. We saw him struggle in the beginning but then adjust to the future. We saw him move on and saw him have a life here. He had friends who were also his family and they threw that all way bc apparently only romantic love matters and in this case this ‘‘love’‘ didn’t make sense.

How the fuck am I supposed to believe she is the love of his life when he had never called her that before? Sure there were feelings but it didn’t go anywhere. He never had a relationship with her he just shared one kiss with her before he ended up in the ice. He knew her for like what? 1-2 years? And the they didn’t spend that much time with each other either. They had breaks where they didn’t see each other so they didn’t even know each other for very long but I’m supposed to believe that she is more important than the relationships he had in the future over the past 12-13 years? Yeah sure. Did they forget what they did in CW? Right after she had died they had him make out with another woman. With her own fucking niece which makes this even more fucked up. So he kissed his niece? WTF?!! Also do they not see how unhealthy this is? How they turned him into this creppy obsessive dude who didn’t get over a girl he never was with? I repeat WTF?!

Steve was never a selfish prick like that. He wouldn’t do this shit just bc of the chance of messing the timelines up let alone leave everyone who is important to him behind esp. after what just had happend. He also wouldn’t do that to Peggy bc he knew she had a good life and a family. Man don’t get me started on her. They fucked her over with this too. I wanted to watch her show soon but now I don’t see the point of it when they said fuck everything that happend in the movies and in her show. They reduced her to just a love interest and that is just shitty. No ship is worth to happen if it means you fuck over the characters in the process. If you kill all their growth and make them act ooc.

So in short: I’m gonna be forever slaty over this shitty ending. Both Steve and Peggy deserved better. I also think it’s a shitty thing to do to Chris who played Steve for almost a decade. He deserved a better ending. It’s also awful to do this to Hayley and her show.

#endgame spoilers #avengers endgame #anti endgame #Steve Rogers #Captain America #natasha romanoff #Black Widow #thor #thor odinson #bruce banner #The Hulk #clint barton #hawkeye #tony stark #Iron Man #The Avengers