#azish fashion

[sophieinwonderland]

didnt you support transrace and transabled people (dont know if that was you or if it was a other account that looked verry simulair to yours)

Okay, this has been sitting in my drafts for a while. This seems as good of a time as any to finish this.

More than anything, my opinion is that my morality has to be logically consistent. For most transabled people, this seems fairly simple. BIID is a recognized disorder by many psychiatrists and trying to prevent a group of disabled people from identifying by a label that they feel describes their experiences seems ableist.

Transabled people who identify with a mental disorder are different from those with BIID, but I don't feel like they're causing any harm.

Transrace is... so much much more complicated. The very idea of race is a minefield because no one can even agree on what race is. Is it skin color? Is it history? Culture? Definitions can vary from person to person and from culture to culture, as well as what is considered offensive. There are things that everyone can agree are objectively harmful and racist. Hiring discrimination, areas with high numbers of POCs being denied education and infrastructure funding, racial profiling by police, etc. These are things that have clear, direct negative impact.

But other areas aren't as clear cut.

Not only do different cultures have their own ideas about what is and isn't offensive, but it varies so much within those subcultures. Something offensive to Japanese Americans may not be considered offensive to Japanese nationals and vice versa. For example, there are places across Japan that will fit tourists with Kimonos to wear, and it's even seen as polite (from what I understand) to adopt the fashion of the culture while visiting. But there are many people of Japanese descent abroad who are more likely to say that this is appropriation.

And where do we draw the line for what a headmate can identify as? A headmate can identify as other humanoid species such as elves and dwarves. What about fictional human races and ethnicities?

Is it only real races and ethnicities that are off limits? Are you allowed to identify as Azish?

I hear that people don't mind headmates having different skin colors as long as they don't identify as that race. So can a singlet also identify as having darker skin color than their bodies? And in what situations is it deemed appropriate to appear as your chosen race?

Headmates can draw themselves as any skin tone and use those as profile pics on Simply Plural. This doesn't seem controversial from what I've seen. But what about VTubing or VR?

When looking up statistics about her situation, one thing I found concerning is how it seemed that her identity was opposed more by white people than it was by black people.

And if race isn't skin tone but culture and lived experience, then what about people who are adopted by one race and raised in that culture? Can a white European child adopted and raised by a Korean family identify as Korean? And if they can, does it matter the age they're adopted by? Is there a difference between a baby and a 14-year-old who is adopted by a family of another ethnicity?

Another concern is whose opinions are being represented the most here, and making sure that the voices being represented are actually representative of who they purport to speak for. I prefer listening to statistics over individuals in cases like this. And that brings me to Rachel Dolezol who was the most high profile case of transracialism on the public stage.

When looking up statistics about her situation, one thing I found concerning is how it seemed that her identity was opposed more by white people than it was by black people.

However, while most white (65%) and other minority voters (68%) believe Dozelal was being deceitful, just 46% of black voters agree.

In fact, 52% of black voters think Dolezal should have stayed in her position as President of a Washington chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, a view shared by just 20% of whites and 32% of other minority voters. Majorities of the latter two groups think she should have resigned from her post.

And while in another poll, most people of every race viewed her actions as unacceptable, black people were far more likely to view it as acceptable than white people.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of the statistics, because it does show that a majority of black people do find her behavior unacceptable... but the fact that they're more than twice as likely as white people to deem it as acceptable gives me pause.

I think part of the reason this is so complicated is because race itself isn't real. It's a social construct. It's something people invented to categorize and other different people. The very concept of race was invented to hurt and discriminate against people based on the color of their skin and places of origin

There is a mountain of complexity and nuance to these topics and I can't begin to wade through it all. Especially when you throw plurality into the mix, which current societal standards are not made to deal with.

Ultimately, I'll respect anyone's identity as long as it doesn't harm anyone. And I do mean "harm." Not just "offend." Because there are always going to be people who find atypical identities offensive. There will always be people who will see unusual things as strange or cringey.

TERFs are offended by transgender people. Transmeds are offended by non-dysphoric trans people. Endogenic systems offend anti-endos by our existence. You can never please everyone, and shouldn't have to change your identity to do so.

And that's my moral standard, at the most basic level.

My identity as a cis woman who occupies an AMAB body is going to offend TERFs and Transmeds alike, and my existence as a tulpa in an endogenic system will offend anti-endos. But their reaction to my identity isn't my responsibility and I won't hide who I am to make others feel better.

Ultimately, I've analyzed the moral arguments I've seen presented against people identifying as other races and ethnicities, and don't feel like I could justly say based on those that it's immoral while maintaining consistency in my own moral philosophy.

I guess that's kind of support, but I would probably consider myself leaning towards neutral just due the sheer complexity of racial identity that I prefer to not get wrapped up in. 🤷‍♀️

(There's also an issue over the term since "transrace" also refers to certain types of adoptions, but I don't think the term is the main point of contention here.)

#ask box #transid #transabled #transracial #discourse #radical inclusion #rad inclus

[lamaery]

This week is cosmere fashion week instigated by Edgebanter on instagram. So I thought broaden my own worldbuilding a little bit by having Adolin do a short guide through parts of the different fashion of roshar. Starting with my version of an ensemble a veden highprince might wear: striped jacket, takama and yes, a cape. (Because despite his own words... he CAN do cape!)

After that came Thaylenah. This outfit was certainly lend to him by Queen Fen's son Kdralk... (the style of the gloves I got from old photographs of the Romanov family after I thought for the cooler southern climate I wanted to have a tidbit of Russian influence in there...)

Bringing is my boy Sigzil to rock some fancy Azish robes (and hats) The cut of Adolin‘ open robe is a light nod towards the wide-sleeved robes worn by men in West Africa (although as I understand it, those are usually not open at the front and the sleeves are longer and/or folded over the shoulders... check out Nigerian wedding attire, it’s awesome). The Patterns are in part inspired by modern and historical Javanese and African prints

some reshi fashion... Shallan, as we all, approves of open vests...

And back in Alethkar sporting the lashes fashion style of the capital (before it got... well...). I don’t know how Adolin convinced Kaladin into wearing lighteyes fashion. Probably he was just overwhelmingly charming and Kal‘s defences broke down... Since I take some inspiration from sarees and indian fashion for the alethi version of the havah, i don’t see why that wouldn’t seep into men‘s fashion as well. Besides I just really like the achkan and sherwani stylewise... (just take a look at the designs of indian designer Sabyasachi Mukherjee, if you don’t know them! Those are freaking gorgeous!) There will probably two more pictures for the weekend. But those won't contain Adolin, sooo I'll post these separately. Have a great weekend!!

#cosmerefashionweek #rosharfashion #Adolin #Highprinces of fashion #character design #Adolin Kohlin #Sigzil #Shallan #Vedenar #takama #capes #Thaylen fashion #azish fashion #patterned robes #reshi fashion #alethi fashion #kaladin #cfsbf #cosmere #stormlight archive

[llsnart]

Nikli from Dawnshard

i have to say that i enjoyed to draw him because his clothes and his Makabaki ethnic. I took inspiration from the Azish male fashion to make his look.

SPOILER FROM DAWNSHARD BELOW

#Nikli #cosmere #digital art #artists on tumblr #fantasy character #brandon sanderson #cosmere fanart #cosmere art #the stormlight archive #digital illustration #illustrators on tumblr #Azir #Azish #Makabaki #dawnshard #roshar #fantasy books #fantasy art #hoid #The sleepless #sleepless

[kingjasnah]

can we talk about the fact that roshar has SUSPENDERS?????? (mink is mentioned as wearing them this chapter) their fashion is all over the place i cannot equate it to any time period on earth. help

i feel like I shouldve pieced this together after adolin's lengthy description of a waistcoat last book but. i hope it's just herdaz that looks like victorian london. oh I bet y'all the azish are the first to go steampunk.

#but ur right like i vibe with the alethi takamas and havahs but...........suspenders..... #oh adolin is ON THAT #shallan was pressing mink abt some houdini shit but he was like So They Keep Your Trousers Up. Tell Me More #asks #row spoilers #rhythm of war spoilers

[peachdoxie]

OKAY notes on chapters 2 and 3 of Rhythm of War! I'm going to attempt a read more but idk if it will work, sorry.

Chapter 2

"Kaladin grunted in reply." Glad to see his characterization is still consistent.

The new Fused powers are super dope, but fucking rip to Kaladin. That's one of the most physically brutal attacks Brandon has written

Adolin advising Syl in fashion is 10/10

Also rip Kaladin pt 2 with the insomnia

Interesting evolution in Shallan's multiple minds

Hmm yes, the Fourth Ideal for Shallan. Remembering "everything." Gonna be torture to watch her go through that. But what could she be repressing, after what her other memories were about?

Syl mimicking Kaladin is fucking hilarious and I absolutely love it

"Gagadin!" ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

Kaladin very briefly dated Lyn, but she broke up with him. I wonder how much Syl had to convince him to date her.

Also, Syl and Hesina complaining about Kaladin right in front of him, another 10/10. “Has he been disrespecting you again, Syl?” “It’s been at least a day since he mentioned how great I am.”

So. Kaladin and his father are barely on speaking terms, it seems.

"Only, everyone had given up on Herdaz." Oof.

The Mink sneaking away by leaving a dummy behind seems very Herdazian

"“And abandon his men?” Kaladin asked, aghast." Really fucking hope Kaladin isn't forced to do this, because honestly it would probably destroy him, but it also seems in line with the speculation on his Fourth Ideal

“Well done!” Syl said as he left the shed. “You barely scowled when they called you Brightlord.” lmao

“I had hoped,” Lirin said softly, “that our message would inspire you to approach covertly.” Lirin I know you're disappointed in Kaladin for being a soldier who kills people, but you could be a tad nicer by greeting him with something other than a criticism

Holy fucking shit, that's one way to get Kaladin's parents to Urithiru

Chapter 3

The chapter is called "The Fourth Bridge". Neato.

Okay, so Larkins are useful to making fabrials. But they're now mostly extinct. And the wars in Aimia were in part about Larkins. That's some lore I wasn't expecting. And Rysn has one....

"Dalinar said from behind, his voice as steady as steel, as immutable as mathematics." Navani confirmed for fucking nerd.

"But they could send flashes of light that could be interpreted." Roshas invents Morse Code, more at 11

Aluminum, huh? Wonder who helped them with that....

"She wished she could share it with Elhokar." Ouch, my heart 😭

Okay, so the Azish helped with the aluminum

Also Navani needs to stop selling herself short. Fuck you Gavilar.

But also I feel that her...it's not quite imposter syndrome but close is gonna be relevant to her Ideals, if she does in fact become a Radiant

Bridge Four is physically part of the Fourth Bridge I'm gonna cry

Highmarshal Kaladin? Wonder what he feels about that.

Mapping expeditions of the eastern Shattered Plains. Inch resting....

Okay, so we've got a bunch of Edgedancers in addition to a bunch of Windrunners. That tracks with historical Radiant numbers, iirc

Rip Lift, going through puberty

Okay ngl I'm really enjoying reading about the Fourth Bridge with all the Radiants on it. It feels like something out of Dalinar's visions, which I'm sure is not something that's slipped past him.

Though I am also struck by the mental image of the Fourth Bridge burning and falling out of the sky, so thanks for that, brain.

One of Navani's insecurities is that she feels she's not really part of the endeavor of building the Fourth Bridge and all the other fancy fabrials because she's not the one doing the engineering and whatnot. And that's true, she's not, but she's also the one who brought them all together to make these things happen, and I feel that's something that shouldn't be underestimated. Navani is very good at organizing people, and I think her involvement goes beyond just being a rich woman who can provide the funds to make something happen. I know I'm hoping for a Dustbringer Navani, but I also thing Bondsmith isn't out of the question.

Kaladin, taking the name Stormblessed as his house's name, but also not telling his father. Color me not surprised.

Oh shit, Edgedancers with Regrowth serve as the Radiants' surgeons. That's...gonna cause problems for Lirin. Hashtag another identity crisis. Wonder if he'll become an Edgedancer or something, or if he'll turn down the chance to be Radiant. I don't even know if a spren would be drawn to Lirin, nor which kind.

"She thought, for the briefest moment, she heard a tone in the distance. A pure note vibrating through her." Inch resting....

The Urithiru gemstones resist Dalinar's attempts to infuse them. And Navani thinks that Bondsmiths are connected to the tower itself, in some way. Branderson give me the Urithiru lore.

I also wonder if it's related to the fact that Urithiru is the one place made of stone that's acceptable for the Shin to walk on.

So the Sibling is "slumbering" and that's seen as final by the spren because it was killed. But reviving a spren is...sort of possible? If Adolin and Maya is worth anything. Branderson give me the Sibling lore

Thought just now: I wonder who knows about Adolin's brief connection with Maya. I would imagine that Renarin is the most likely to know.

"Only [Alethi] are stubborn enough to bully nature herself." I mean, that's basically how Dalinar convinced the Stormfather to bond with him at first.

Also I have the feeling this beggar guy is the Mink, snuck aboard the ship, though I always am suspicious about beggars.

Lol yep, it's him. And he managed to get past the Cobalt Guard. This guy is gonna be entertaining.

Oh boy, more Fused! And ones who can fly! The next several chapters are gonna be fun to read!

Anyway, that's chapters 2 and 3! I'm excited for next week!

#anecdotes by peachdoxie #stormlight archive #stormlight spoilers #rhythm of war #peachdoxie liveblogs stormlight

[themulberrytree]

character sheet.

full name: Shallan Davar pronunciation: Sha-Lahn Dah-var (fuck IPA i am not doing that shit again)

nicknames: strong one (by hoid), love, dear (by adolin), storming woman (mostly by kaladin)

height: 5′6″ age: 19/20 (rosharan years) / 21-22 (earth years)   zodiac: gemini (donut ask me when her bday is i donut have a date yet) languages: (spoken/written): veden (native), alethi, azish, selay (moderate skill in speaking only) thaylen (reading/writing only).

PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS.

hair colour: rich, deep red, only red. eye colour: bright blue skin tone: shallan is very fair, though she spends as much time in the sun as she can, so her face is dusted with freckles. body type: slim and slender. unlike the curvaceous body type often seen on alethi women, shallan is much smaller both in figure and stature. she could be mistaken for delicate, at first glance. as she spends more time training with her blade, her body becomes much more defined and muscular, but she will never achieve any kind of bulky muscles, she simply does not have the body type.

accent: her natural veder accent would be considered low, given shallan’s isolation out in the countryside. she can speak in a more posh (re: acceptable) accent, but she has little reason to do so. dominant hand: right posture: shallan has the posture of a perfect vorin lady, back straight and shoulders back at all times. when sitting, her freehand always covers her safehand, placed delicately in her lap unless she is sketching. when walking, her hands are clasped in front of her. she is rarely animated in her posture when speaking, and depending on her company, she works hard to blend in. when alone, shallan may slouch when studying, or do her work in a very unlady like fashion on her bed. if she trusts her present company, they may witness this lapse in acceptable posture, but only if she trusts them.

CHILDHOOD.

place of birth: jah kaved hometown: some hick town in the middle of the countryside. birth weight / height: 6 pounds, 3 ounces. 18 inches. manner of birth: natural first words: pa siblings: (all elder, all brothers) helaran, balat, twins: wikim and jushu parents: lin davar, and an unnamed mother, malise davar (step mother), all deceased. parental involvement: shallan remembers a somewhat happy childhood (although the likelihood of that being the case is up for debate). her mother taught her how to draw, and was in charge of shallan’s education in the early years. much of her early years have been forgotten due to the trauma of shallan’s witnessing (see: committing) her mother’s murder. she did not speak at all for half a year afterwards. from that point on, her father became overbearing, and with each year he was less of the man shallan had first known. he was violent towards two of her brothers and the servants, often scaring away tutors, so shallan’s education in those critical years was sporadic at best. her father demanded complete obedience, and any deviation on her part meant that a servant got beaten in her place. in order to spare them and placate her father, shallan worked hard to draw little attention to herself and obey. it was her father who also chose her devotary (purity) rather than her having the opportunity to choose for herself.

ADULT LIFE

occupation: she is the ward of jasnah kholin, having managed to convince the woman she was worthy of wardship at seventeen. after being taken in, shallan begins her education in scholarship, fine tuning her skills in making logic based arguments, study, and critical thinking.

on the shattered plains, she secures work with highprince sebarial as a clerk while maintaining the work in finding urithiru that she started with jasnah, and working to infiltrate the secret group known as the ghostbloods.

she latter assumes a more public role as a knight radiant, the first of the order of lightweavers in centuries. while her status as a radiant is known, she works very hard to keep her work covert. she deals in spywork and information, and uses her lightweaving to form disguises for herself and associates. she has also used her abilities to battle unmade, work oathgates, and help run reconnaissance in kholinar.

as highprincess, her duties would include helping manage affairs of the realm and detecting intrigue to better aid her husband.

close friends: lmafo what are those????? jk, her brothers, later adolin, renarin, kaladin, jasnah (sort of, more teacher/student) wit/hoid (when he’s around). relationship status: verse dependent, married to adolin kholin in canon financial status: her family is destitute, and shallan herself has little experience in personally handling money. that being said, she knows how to balance finances and plan expenses. when working for sebarial, she manages to secure a comfortable pay from him, her later marriage secures her financial security, though her status as a radiant could’ve done that too. driver’s license: she could probably drive, but would be terrible at it due to the fact that she’d keep lookin out the window. she has little experience on horseback, but can manage. criminal record: technically none yet, having managed to get away with murder twice. she had also stolen successfully from jasnah kholin.  

SEX & ROMANCE.

sexual orientation: bisexual romantic orientation: biromantic, could be polyromantic preferred emotional role: submissive (someone pls force her to accept comfort i am beggin) | dominant |  switch  |  unsure preferred sexual role: submissive |  dominant  |  switch  |  sex repulsed | libido: she’s basically DTF anytime and anywhere, and yes, i wish i were kidding, but she’s just horny on main. turn ons: she’s into more traditional kinds of attractiveness, people who look put together. but she really enjoys some kind of hint at wildness, hair that won’t quite stay, a kind of subtle ruggedness. post-battle disheveledness  is HOT. allow her to talk about her studies, things she’s working on or wanting to start, she’ll love that. don’t be afraid to talk about your own interests, she goes off on her own a lot, so she’ll want someone with their own hobbies too. be kind, be willing to grow and change and share. be there if she asks. laugh at her absolutely fucking awful jokes. on the more physical side, not being afraid to show affection in public. that spot on the neck below the ear? yeah, kiss it. leave a mark. kiss the inside of her wrist. do not be afraid to be rough with her, she’s not easily hurt and she doesn’t always like being treated like a china doll. go to town. BUT you must also be good at taking your time. tenderness is a good trait to have in every day life, but if you can translate that into the intimacy of the bedroom, give her a slow buildup, ur golden. turn offs: unnecessary rudeness, lack of independence. anyone who treats her like she needs protecting, or thinks she needs to confine herself in some way, for any amount of time. never laughing at her terrible jokes, or indulging her seemingly random curiosities. being a skybreaker. love language: physical touch is primary, but quality time and words of affirmation are also great. relationship tendencies: shallan has a tendency to fall fast. even when she’s telling herself to be careful and take things slow, it’s easy to pull her in and have her grow an attachment on a superficial level fairly early. she’s good about letting the other person lean on her for support, but she’s not so great when it comes to sharing anything deep about herself. she has a habit of trying to mold herself into what she thinks the other person would like, and clinging to that. if confused she might play around with feelings, though she’s not fully aware she’s doing it. she’s big on positive reinforcement, she’ll let you know if she enjoys your company, and when she’s invested in the relationship, she’ll look for fun ways to spend time with that person. she might attempt to appear more serious and mature than she is, but her silliness will slip out. when she loves though, she loves completely, and a distracted heart is settled once she makes a decision about what she wants.

MISCELLANEOUS.

character’s theme song: flowers, from ha.des.town iris, goo goo dolls moth’s wings, passion pit: this is more a general vibe. i picture it when shallan is in a creative spurt. sun, sleeping at last: for the same creation aesthetic. fire drills, dessa (for when she finally Snaps. and also some lines just really Hit)

hobbies to pass the time: drawing is the big one. she’s always got her sketchbook and something to draw with on hand. it’s an art she’s perfected and uses it both for her lightweaving, and to relax. she enjoys scholarship, exploring history is of a special interest, but taking a closer look at the local flora and fauna is just as fun. she’s naturally curious, so if something grabs her attention, she will want to take a look. she also enjoys discussing what she’s working on with other people, sometimes just so she can use them as a sounding board, but also because they might have insights she doesn’t. it’s very fun for her to explore ideas. she likes going on walks, exploring the area around her. just spending quality time with people she enjoys too. mental illnesses: Dissociative Personality Disorder is the big one. ADHD, PTSD, some depression. physical illnesses: None. left or right brained: right fears: CONFINEMENT. she fears vulnerability and relying others, but she also craves it quite a bit. she fears being understood completely because she’s certain there isn’t anything left to love if someone were to see everything. she fears what she can’t understand, and losing the people she loves, more than she already has. self confidence level: extremely low. she projects an air of self confidence, but frequently downplays her talents. she finds it completely astounding that adolin might actually find her attractive in any sense, let alone be interested in her as a person. her trauma and what she precieves as crimes has left her feeling hollowed out, because she is so terrified of someone really Seeing her, she works hard to hide those corners of herself from others and often feels like she’s failing at even that. vulnerabilities: shallan keeps secrets. too many of them. and she can often dig herself into a pit and struggle to get herself out, and even when she’s in that deep, she has difficulty asking for help. she doesn’t always think things through. her dpd can leave her particularly vulnerable depending on which personality is in control (veil in particular has trouble seeing the Big Picture). it’s easy to goad her into a fight (of the verbal variety) and she will stop at nothing to have the last word. if you have members of her family to hold over her, that’s a good tool. and shallan cannot resist a good mystery, that is a surefire way to pull her in.

tagged by: @luck-crowned tagging: @marblecarved (for mary, emma, or horace!), @melnchly (meg or ros), @minastiriiths, @arturiusrex, @gxtenoughnxrve, @ambiidexter, and @arborvitas

#c. shallan #this took me several days of fact checking the books for some shit lmafo #anyway meet my garbage daughter

[hessis-ward]

@evikholinappreciationblog

Evi loves fashion and is the biggest patroness for textile art in Kholinar and has amazing taste in fashion.

Rira as a culture most likely looks to Iri and Azir for trends. This results in Riran fashion being very vibrant in design and make up and body paints are popular there. Maybe they also have a lot of embellishments like beadwork and geometric embroidery.

I love artistic!Evi HC and I think she can be very interested in textile arts. Maybe she's a talented seamstress, embroiderer, fabric painter, or weaver back in Rira. This changes when she fled to Alethkar and have to adapt to the comparatively dull Alethi fashion and Vorin culture in general.

Embroidery and painting is a lot harder to do when you can't use your dominant hand. She eventually taught herself to use her right hand but the results were not as high quality as her work in Rira.

Weaving could be considered a lower art done by darkeyes and so she can't really weave lest the courtiers gossip about her.

That doesn't mean she stops participating in the textile industry.

She's known to commission a lot of tapestries, throw pillows, even some garments to that still looks great paired with havahs. She prefers more western Roshar-inspired fabrics so Azish cloth merchants and even the rare Iriali craftsmen can expect a visit and the best deals from Brightness Kholin. Dalinar would comment on how gaudy their chambers in Kholinar palace looks but Dalinar can always go to Gavilar's study.

She prefers tailors who are willing to take inspiration from outside the Vorin kingdoms and won't judge her tastes. This is how she knows Yokska and she would bring Adolin to her to get suits made. She frequents Makabaki or Thaylen tailors very often for the same reason.

She reads fashion folios and incorporate elements from different trends. She always tries to get her hands on the latest folios and so book merchants make sure to have a copy of the newest Liaforan folios for all kinds of women's fashion and send them to her as early as possible.

Sometimes she incorporates her culture into her outfits. Geometric embroidery or prints reminiscent of the body paint symbols on havahs, touches of face paint that can only be seen under certain lights, tiny mirrors sewn to her havah underskirt hem, floral beadwork, and jewelry with western style metalwork.

The Alethi courtiers gossip about her eccentric taste and sometimes mocked her for it.

But they don't understand fashion, do they?

#stormlight archive #cosmere #evi kholin #headcanon #tired's rambles #bonus hc: #her makeup is impeccable #adolin gets his fashion taste from his mom

[mistralrunner]

Running Reads Oathbringer: Part II.III

Spoilers for pages 410-480 below. Also some Mistborn spoilers cause of a couple Cosmere thoughts.

"No good can come of two Shards settling in one location."

*looks at Ruin and Preservation*

Okay it was a bit dire there for a while but they really fit together.

And what about worlds with three Shards?

Does this mean this Shard isn't Cultivation then?

Maybe Autonomy? 

I'm glad Jasnah has some healthy paranoia

Good Jasnah, ensuring Shallan is actually involved in the meeting

Ah yes now we get into discussions of the Parshmen

Yay Kaladin for defending them.

War only fuels Odium after all

"Maybe that should make you reconsider those other wars, rather than using them to justify this one."

Ooooh

You go Kaladin

I am worried though, cause the Voidspren definitely have experience with manipulating negotiations and I think even one of the Listener songs referred to it

The Parshmen do not deserve this

There has to be another way

Kholinar being a dark spot is really concerning. Like how does that happen magically?

Heh a strike squad infiltrating a possibly occupied city

This is going to be fun

I wonder who the three men in Kaladin's strike squad will be

(or maybe we could bring in Lyn so it's not all dudes in a strike squad just saying)

(I know she actually has to learn to Invest first but I can dream)

Jasnah has a point about the long term

The danger of different orders is the conflict. The value is that they can focus on different aspects of the war

BAHAHAHAHA I love Jasnah's plan just for the sheer audacity of it

But I agree with Dalinar, locating's good, killing less certain

I'm kind of sad that the only interaction between my faves has been antagonistic

Jasnah you are admittedly overlooking the point that war fuels Odium. Killing Parshmen will make them more your enemy and only lead to more war.

I'm definitely not opposed to Windrunner scouts though

Jasnah had better cuddle some skyeels

I can’t believe this is a sentence I wrote. What is this book.

Ugh no please no love triangle Shallan stop doodling Kaladin also seriously you had one job

I'm with Jasnah on this. Shallan has accomplished a lot but she's settling on her laurels when she needs to grow in a lot of ways.

Shallan you are Veil

Shallan the secrets will blow up in your face and likely hurt others

Aww Jasnah's including Renarin

Well Shallan I'm glad you delegated investigating Shadesmar in this room to Jasnah, your judgement isn't entirely horrible

I do relate to some degree to that uncertain adulthood thing, but Shallan really is not on a great path right now

Helaran was of the Skybreakers ooo

But didn't have a real Shardblade?

Uli Da? Ooo who is she.

Oh hey exposition on the factions

It is kind of cool how there secretly have been Radiants of one order this whole time

Oh, that's why Shallan's mother...she was close to a Skybreakers acolytes

Someone else in Amaram's army bonded a spren and was eliminated?

If it was Tien...

Heh this letter deserves further investigation cause Pattern is right, this is half truths

This Veil thing is getting seriously concerning. I mean I understand the value of having an escape and sides to yourself that others don't know and secrets that are nice to keep to oneself but this is getting a bit deep.

Also I feel like encouraging disparaging yourself among your employees isn't a good idea

Heh it's the opposite of that undercover boss skit

"I heard that Shallan has a six pack"

I mean it is good to learn from them but I don't think that is Shallan's intent

What happened to the scholar?

Well Gaz, that's a light way of putting, I tried to kill Kaladin on his very first day and was awful to all of them

Shallan do listen to them. Be a leader and give your soldiers purpose.

Also what happened to those slaves you took Shallan. Did you just leave them behind. Seriously you should have freed them from the start.

Oh dear this Ghostbloods fangirl is going to be a problem

Heh if someone asks Shallan to start investigating Veil the Ghostblood’s spy as Adolin is investigating Sadeas's murder that would be hilarious

Okay this is an interesting turn of events. Learning how to spy by testing someone's spying abilities by having them train you a spy network of soldiers. I'm curious to see how this goes...Shallan.

This Shard concerns me. Also is super arrogant. "If Rayse becomes an issue, he will be dealt with. And so will you."

Teft!

Now will we finally learn what you are up to?

Oh no is it drugs?

What happened to you in such a short span? You were the reliable one helping train all the other Bridge crews.

Firemoss? That's the only drug we've heard of right?

Yep, firemoss.

Ugh Sadeas's soldiers can't stop being awful can they

Oh no addicted and suicidal Teft no

Oh no seeing things. People or spren?

Please don't let Kaladin know his absence contributed to this he already suffers enough

Yep a spren

Teft you're so close yet so far you're actually talking to a spren but like so many Radiants really need some help to move forward

YES BRIDGE FOUR INTERVENTION

BEING THERE FOR EACH OTHER

Hopefully Kaladin's medical knowledge will help here

Teft why why Sanderson must Bridge Four members suffer but at least they're there for each other

"Cephandrius, bearer of the First Gem"

Hmm is that "the element" mentioned in the first letter

Also this Shard is arrogant. I don't care if they're a god.

Dalinar why are you putting Gawx through this the child does not deserve this

Huh so Jasnah found something interesting indeed during that vision

Hehe Jez has dark eyes excellent make those lighteyes uncomfortable

Oh hey a dead or partially dead Aimian

Gawx does have a point, Dalinar could just be crafting whatever visions strengthen his argument

Heh of course the Azish would see the Alethi with a code of law barely 30 years old as barbaric

I'm so proud of Gawx. Admittedly he knew a lot even before taking on this intense role as emperor. Just the knowledge and eloquence.

Also the Sunmaker is horrible.

Ten percent?

Oh god.

And then the Alethi honor his example. Yeah the Azish really have good reason not to trust the Alethi. This long break between Desolations really did allow people to do awful things and engender distrust.

I still am amused by how Sadees is one step away from Sadeas

YES LIFT IS HERE YES YES YES YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

LIFT I MISSED YOU SO

heh she's still bitter about the pancakes

Also she can enter this even though she's not presently with Gawx? Connection I guess

Heh she's baffling even the Stormfather

Half in the Cognitive Realm does lead to some fun things

Pale white eyes? I didn’t realize she had those? Unless it’s just the Wyndleblade/Shardfork effect?

LIFT

I'M DYING HERE

"He's got too nice a butt"

Lift I love you

I mean in classic Lift fashion her argument actually does have logic behind it, as unconventional as it is

Wait why does that uniform look weird oh god the patch is gone Moaaash

"You have spoken to one who cannot respond. We, instead, will take your communication to us-though we know not how you located us upon this world." kind of lost you there

Anyways back to crying about Moash and how he lost Bridge Four and Horneater stew

He still has his coat?

Nooo not the Bridge Four patch

But Moash, Kaladin couldn't bear to tell Bridge Four

Good move starting this chapter in a twisted reflection of the nights of stew and comradely of Bridge Four

Graves is dead?

That is not a turn I expected I thought Moash would be solidly with the Diagram

Well Moash's concerns about not being in Shardplate proved true

I'm having feelings about Kaladin saving Moash even now via the training

Oh no Fused with Surges

Friction and Gravitation seen so far

Do they all have two or one

Don't let them get the Plate

Yeah spears over swords!

Kaladin's training, saving lives when he can’t be there personally

Does she have Friction and Gravitation at once? Different combinations of Surges?

Ah they can't heal though

But where do they get the dark light

Szeth said something about them supposedly being able to hold it perfectly so they don't need recharging as much, but then are also more limited?

Oh noooo

Don't give them the Shards

Oh noooo

This is probably worse than being with the Diagram

This is so much worse

Angst is coming

But woah

Are those

Oh my god are those skyships? We're getting fabrials skyships?

That go above the storms with sails pointing down toward them?

Eeee

Vaguely crustacean vaguely sci-fi skyships!

"We are indeed intrigued, for we thought it well hidden. Insignificant among our many realms." Wait are there Shards with more than one world? I am so confused.

Ooh spies freelance or working for highprinces

The idea of being watched everywhere always makes me a tad uncomfortable even as the concept of observing is intriguing. Really this whole spying versus scouting thing is something I really should be delving into with my own story but that’s a tangent

Heh the mind museum trick I know that one not that I ever used it

I am really getting concerned about the multiple personalities

Oh hey by the way I'm still worried about Moash. Just thought I should mention that.

It's scary to think of how much Shallan has changed. She used to be excited about learning, about being part of things. She's splintered now.

I want to be in the room where it happens the room where it happens seriously that room has so many interesting conversations going on

Shallan barely read those books Adolin gave her?

She had the promise to become one of the greatest scholars of her time. It’s making me really sad.

Ooh yes they're talking about the ships yesss

Ugh this cuts a bit too familiar

Surrounded by brilliant smart people, but not taking advantage of it, feeling left behind, overwhelmed, not living up to your potential of scholarship...

Going from being excited to missing appointments

Changing, losing pieces of oneself

Well at least my identity  issues aren't as bad

Cause oh god Shallan just thinking of taking in different masks and forgetting who she is

Forgetting this partially started with her wanting to be a scholar

Shallan's really being left behind

Not growing, just escaping

But hey Navani is hosting a meeting of smart people that is awesome

Yes for Jasnah supporting Renarin thank you

Is that Evi's chain he's fidgeting with?

I want to be at this meeting

Ever since Amaram I'm suspicious of every stormwarden. I don't know it they're all with the Sons of Honor or not but still.

Elthebar is a jerk interrupting women and insulting them at a science meeting

I'd like to punch all the people insulting and laughing at Renarin please and thank you

(Also I guess it's development for Shallan to go from wanting Renarin muffled to being angry at the Alethi court's treatment of him...or is it just jealousy)

Oh dear Shallan that isn't even some of your quality banter

Shallan is lacking in female friends and it is sad

Aww Jasnah feeling she's been a bad mentor to Shallan

Oh hey Renarin and Shallan getting along that's much better and Shallan agreeing with Renarin's assessment also good

Also the city being one giant fabrial is pretty cool

Heh I love the sentiment of we could stand up to Jasnah but she's usually right about things

Oh please don't go on that mission to Kholinar I know I wanted a woman in the party but I do not want any love triangle nonsense

Aww Dalinar being there for Renarin

If Moash meets the Parshmen Kaladin trained that would be hilarious

You were also trained and protected by Kaladin Stormblessed? Wow we're everywhere.

(The idea that there are more of them around now because some actually do live)

"As the waves of the sea must continue to surge, so must our will continue resolute. Alone." I am so confused but so concerned

Pfft I wanted a pov in Revolar even though I knew Kaladin had to leave and now we've got one

It's comforting to know that the Voidbringers don't seem to have the same mastery of Surges as the Radiants. At least for now.

Huh eaves culture I've also been considering that for my own worldbuilding

Wonder if he'll hear of Kaladin's wind stunt

Oh no don't do that. I knew it would happen because the Fused are in charge but don't counteract slavery with slavery

The irony that Moash is a slave now after being one of the Bridge Four members that technically wasn't a slave

I really did not see this turn coming and I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes

Hehe I wonder what will happen when Kaladin sees Moash's Shardblade on the battlefield

Huh Moash's backstory in the caravans comes into play nothing is wasted

Oh no the awful lighteyes is in charge of them, there's hierarchy and why they're all slaves and yet

Well Moash, you're right on the brokenness of humanity, wrong on Kaladin not being broken

Kaladin just fought to be something beyond broken and brought others up with him

This is messed up

But hey, Moash is heading toward the battle eventually that way

Alright definitely a Shard that isn't Cultivation since they don't care about Roshar, my guess is Autonomy

Skar!

"When the dream dies" is a concerning chapter title

Good news, most of Bridge Four can draw in Stormlight. Bad news, Skar, Dabbid, and Rlain can't.

Wonder how the scout ladies are doing?

Under six minutes for over a mile with a pack hm wish we had exact measurements is Roshar mile even a mile is a minute even a minute I'm curious about pacing and how fast you can run with Stormlight

Huh lashing plus Stormlight to improve running speed

I would not want to feel like I was running downhill forever it's hard on the knees and I instinctively pull back lest i fall

Teft I worry about you

Chouta returns!

Bridge Four having issues but still supporting one another yes

I'm so proud of how far they've come but ouch Skar the feeling of falling behind especially cause he was one of the naturals with a spear

Kaladin why are you late but Teft how dare you say that about Kaladin.

He's trying. He has to be there for Bridge Four and also be the one advocating for not mass murder as a solution to things

Ah things are not all well

"Finally deigned to arrive" that wording bothers me I'm protective of Kaladin

They still haven't realized that those talented people probably won't stand a chance of becoming a squire unless they fix their Connection problem

Which they'd better cause I want female Windrunners

Oh hey Koen from the old cobalt guard joined Bridge Four

That's clever swapping two groups for the same amount of Stormlight as one

Aww they found the room of Listener art

Plateau runs still happen? That's bizarre if reasonable.

I have feels about that bridge

Aww Rock's kids setting up a water station

I'm curious about this Elhokar mission cause there's so much of the book left so it can't be the climax

Kaladin. Team bonding. Not drills. That is the secret.

They're flying I'm so proud

No Skar you are part of Bridge Four glow or not

Okay good Lyn and Skar get solidarity that helps with Connection right?

Yes a world where rank and eye color don't matter would be nice. It's not so simple and it's certainly not automatic but at least there's hope for change

Huh Skar was aware of what Kaladin did with the arrows that early on

Oh right Skar is a teacher this is helpful for him

YES LYN YES

Heh and Skar only learns to glow when he feels content with just helping others

This is a feel good chapter

I'm so happy

YES JASNAH CHAPTER AT LAST

Oh god some of them admire Rayse's "initiative"? Who would have been the correct one?

I am more concerned about the Shards than ever before, and about Sazed on the battlefield with the old crowd who know so much more

Yes I want more Ivory content

Jasnah's so cautious

Also I appreciate how she had a backup of her notes

Huh we never got a scene of Shallan returning the notes she retrieved from Jasnah's trunk. Where are they. Also the drawing.

Oh okay so she probably got the notes back

I'm glad Jasnah has a spren friend to talk to. She's not entirely alone.

Also of course her spren is also logical.

Ah she's worried about Shallan

I want to give Jasnah a hug

What happened to her?

"A childhood illness nobody else seemed to remember...it had taught her that people she loved could still hurt her."

Oh god she fears madness. Losing the intellect she relies upon, not being able to trust fact. What was that one time she couldn't rely on her mind.

Of course the scholar gets inkspren

The idea that culture was almost entirely lost among many spren due to the Recreance and is barely starting to recover yikes

Cryptics really do have a reputation.

Inkspren war with Honorspren?

Huh Ivory is a fitting defiant name

So Honorspren seek rule over Shadesmar? It doesn't feel like Honor.

Huh there's some poetry to the Skybreakers not ending in death but living in it instead

Oh.

Jasnah knows.

Wit knew and now Jasnah knows.

And she's tough enough to withstand it.

And she's working on Oathbringer.

I love how it makes so much sense she's on the cover. It's Dalinar's flashback book but Jasnah is the one writing the book and holding the deep secret

I still want the Jasnah and Wit road trip

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