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I have so many thoughts and feelings about Asgore x Toriel. It's just so depressing.
Talking about undertale first, Toriel seems to have moved on from Asgore completely, and even more, completely despised him for years because of his actions, which is fair. And Asgore on the other end really just held on to hope to be with her again, because what he really wanted was to have his family back and for everything to return to normal. Because holding onto that hope is all he had. But that could never happen.
I really appreciate how close they were when they were happy together, and even with how messy everything got after the kids died, they eventually reconciled in the post-pacifist route. Asgore working in front of Toriel's school and they're just chilling, and also the alarm clock dialogue where they're happily reminiscing and playing together.
One could interpret they got together again? But I mean, not to put soriel in the conversation, but considering all the neutral routes where they end up living together, and hints in the alarm clock dialogue, and that one ut q&a that implies they also live together post-pacifist route (or at the very least close enough she makes sans and papyrus lunch everyday), and yknow, everything in deltarune - it's pretty clear Toriel has moved on completely. And post-pacifist Asgore too it seems. And I'm happy for him.
But deltarune boy oh boy.
This isn't decades after their falling out where I'm sure both of them are just tired of this by that point. Oh no, this is probably not even that many years after at ALL, maybe it even happened after Asriel went away for college. We're literally watching them crash and burn right now and it's so bad. PLUS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED.
And obviously it's not good to be together just for the children - sounds like a nightmare to me but that's probably a bit of projection on my part - and Toriel shouldn't be with him if she doesn't want to. But Asgore's financial and living conditions is just so bad, and to put salt in the wound he hasn't even moved on from Toriel yet, while she definitely has. (Or trying to, as soon as her ex stops sending her flowers and flirting with her in front of another guy she was trying to flirt with. Sorry, that scene just kills me it's so good).
I really hope Asgore can get better from this state soon since I don't see them getting back together at all. I assume their falling out wasn't so simple as Toriel just not loving him anymore, there's definitely something bigger there and I would bet it's something involving him losing his job at the police department cof andDessmaybe cof.
But even then I still hope we manage to hit that reconciliation we have with undertale because they were so good together and can be very good friends again. We can only hope.
Theres also Chasriel (Chara x Asriel) and Papyton (Papyrus x Mettaton) which Im a fan of, but honestly Im indifferent to how they're interpreted; I enjoy both platonic and/or romantic dynamics for em!
Not to mention I like the idea of Papyrus and Chara being aroace so xD
I get why people wish Asgore and Toriel became a couple again, I imagine they were very cute and nice as a couple, great parents. But goddamn if Toriel doesn't despise him snsjshh.
Thankfully they seem to be on friendly terms now! Which makes me happy, and with this context I understand the ship a lot more. But before the alarm clock dialogue was released, Toriel really took every opportunity to diss him in game (NOT insulting Toriel or anything, just stating the facts) they were chilling in the credits and all that but that didn't tell much about the nature of the currently relationship at the time.
I think you toriel/asgore shippers are a strong bunch, cause man, canon content is not treating you all too well.
I'm a soriel shipper myself so I'm doing great personally but ndjmsj.
Speaking of Soriel, this post is about undertale. Toriel x Asgore in deltarune is a WHOLE other can of worms.