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bennett-mikealson · 2 months
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TDV Stans will state all the reasons why Bonnie was guarded around vampires in the early seasons, yet still say she was a weirdo, or a bitch for acting the way she did.
Them: "you know I get it, her grams died and vampires have done nothing but cause her trauma and despite being a 16/17 year old witch who’s been thrown into the supernatural world having to protect everyone whether she was forced to or not that still didn’t give her the right to be distant to Elena, the Salvatore's and act like a bitch to everyone".
Like UM HELLO grams just died. Excuse Bonnie TF out of her for not being in a cheerful kind of mood.
They sound like Caroline when she said Elena used to be fun before her parents died when they say stuff like that. make it make sense. 
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wearesociety · 9 months
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one of klaus’ redeeming quality was how much he hated damon. he was always on that man’s neck. he treated him like the dirt on his shoes and i had to stan just because of that!!!!! like the amount of times damon would offer himself in place of stefan to be his ripper buddy and klaus would be so disgusted. it reminds me of how bonnie hated him in the earlier season. no one has ever hated damon like klaus and bonnie have. we had to stan the smartest tvd characters.
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darkestgrays · 3 months
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spit the blood back, baby
She looked at him straight in the eyes, blue locking with blue, her eyes wide and bright, while flashing him her perfect cheerleader smile. “I need your help.”
He quirked an eyebrow at her. He didn’t think she’d ever been so quite straightforward before. “Well, it must be quite serious if there’s no time for you to play coy first, sweetheart.”
She scoffed, rolling her eyes. “Don’t pretend like you don’t like it.”
His hand went up to his heart, clutching his chest in mock offense. “Oh, I would never, love. I quite enjoy it as it is the only time you’re ever nice to me.”
(Or, Caroline kills Damon. It spirals from there.)
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hyperactivewhore · 9 months
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If you're a Damon or Katherine fan, I really don't recommend you read this. But if you dislike them as much as me, go ahead.
I was (stupidly) one of the few people that chose to think Damon didn't rape Caroline, because Pl*c said he didn't. And like, I prefer to believe that, not because I like Damon, I despise him, but because the amount of sexual abuse this show has is disgusting.
Tyler trying to rape Vicky, Damon raping Caroline, Katherine raping Stefan, etc. And damn, perhaps even when Klaus made out with Caroline while he was in Tyler's body.
Do I think he would have slept with her? No, but the fact that Caroline had already took her shirt off and Klaus didn't stop her until later always felt off for me. I don't think he would have raped her, at all. I don't see any of the Mikaelson as the rape type, perhaps Mikael, but not even then.
But anyways, while scrolling through Google, I decided to search how Julie actually "confirmed" Damon didn't rape Caroline, and honestly it's just pathetic.
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What does this even mean? Caroline herself said he abused her, AND fed on her. I mean, the quote is literally "I remember how you manipulated me. You pushed me around, abused me, erased my memories. Fed on me."
Yes, Caroline consented to sex the first time, but after that? He fed on her, and raped her as well.
And Katherine raped Stefan as well, I'm pretty sure. When she began compelling him, to "go on exactly like they wanted", he literally wasn't mentally able to consent to a romantic relationship with her, less alone sexual. And Stefan was 17, exactly the same age Caroline was when Damon raped her.
So, if I'm correct, Katherine raped Stefan, Damon raped Caroline and Andy, Tyler tried to force himself on Vicky and I think it's implied Stefan is a rapist as well in a flashback, but I'm not too sure because the last time I saw TVD (other than seasons 3/4) was in 2018, right when it ended, but the whole thing is him being seen with naked women and blood all over them while he had his humanity off I think. Anyway, disgusting.
I don't think the writers intented for them to be considered rapists, especially if we take into account the three of them are fan favorite. But it was 2009, a lot of things were taken lightly and I'm 100% sure TVD wouldn't have made it past the pilot if it had been streamed in 2020.
And yeah, every single character is a murderer on this show, but there's a difference between them. Both are traumatic and both are unforgiving, and in real life no one wants to be through that (I've seen people compare Elena and Caroline's trauma, her being raped and the first being abused by Klaus, which it's disgusting, there is no need to compare them). But if you're gonna bring one of them to fiction, always chose murder. Because in murder there may be a "redeeming" quality that explains why you did it, but rape? It's completely disgusting, it's awful and there is nothing that will ever excuse taking someone's free will like that.
But anyways: The Vampire Diaries is racist, rapist and a lot of things I'm for sure forgetting now. It's really hard to be a fan of this show sometimes, but I still like it, though I'm more of a fan of The Originals. And that show has problems of it's own, considering it made Elijah look racist and made Klaus sympathize with a group of vampires that the show recognized as nazis.
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cancerian-woman · 8 months
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I won't be offended if you prefer to delete this but your post about Tyler had me thinking...
Caroline really made his grief over his mother dying about her so much so that she issued the worst ultimatum and left herself with...
A drunk old man that used to be her teacher.
A long time friend that never seemed like he got over Elena and definitely has codependent issues with his brother so much so that he sacrificed himself willingly a day after their wedding.
And a power hungry hybrid who gave her money he could more than afford to give and said pretty words but also tortured, enslaved and killed people she was connected to....and also definitely had codependent issues with his brother.
I cannot fathom it.
All true facts. It’s late here so a meta! :D
As a huge Forwood shipper and I’m equally very critical of them. It’s a great ship for them both at first, then becomes a ship only for Caroline’s needs and development which isn’t fair to Tyler That Klaroline/Steroline shadow made those fans believe Tyler was the worst Caroline could get. When in reality he was the BEST romantic partner and friend she ever had.
What upsets me more about that ultimatum that Caroline FORCED is that she’s the only one we see comforting Tyler after Carol’s death. Even before Carol died, and Tyler was skeptical about being alpha she uplifted him and Tyler heavily respected what she had to say and went full force with it. Mind you, this is the same Tyler that broke every bone in his body just to be with Caroline. Then re-agreed to slavery for Care. Forwood communicated with each other and called out their faults. The other tvdu ships weren’t doing that!—then we get this full arc of Caroline’s grief and remember she bluntly told Tyler to get over the fact that she hooked up with Klaus because of her impulses and she’s not good1!!1
The series wanted to bury Forwood and they did so in the worst ways imaginable. Caroline gets pregnant with Alaric’s babies forcibly. (I understand Candice was pregnant but they could’ve hid her belly so Caroline wasn’t pregnant.)-Oh and we can’t forget Alaric was in love with her and proposed.
Steroline was supposed to follow the friends to lovers build up the way Forwood did and it never appears that Stefan is all in the way Caroline is. Tbh, even before the wedding Stefan wanted out the relationship he tried multiple times to end things in s8. Caroline refused and wanted it to work. Building them up after Liz’s death was a choice. Stefan manipulated Caroline heavily to when it came Tyler and their relationship.
Klaroline has no obstacles to pass with them. Klaus may give Caroline pretty things, and money but emotionally he’s never shown to give Caroline any support. When Caroline saves Bonnie from those 12 witches which is her first huge kill(correct me if I’m wrong) since s2 she immediately goes to Klaus and he basically tells her to get away from him. Klaus mentions how she’s too good for that small town but Caroline had never said she hated her home. What she did hate was Klaus grown ass destroying shit. They never had a serious conversation about anything tbh. I did enjoy how Caroline called him out at first but TO’s “you aren’t the villain in my story.” Ruined that. Oh and lol these shippers get on Damon for his rape of Caroline yet somehow, someway excuses that Klaus attempted to rape Caroline too in Tyler’s body…. Anyways! I do think a lot of Klaroline is rooted in Klaus wanting control over Tyler, and Caroline is a way to exert control over Tyler because of his love for her.
Okay this is long af, sorry! To end this off Tyler loved Caroline for who she was. He never wanted her to change, he valued and respected her. Never abused her or anyone she loved. He listened to what she had to say. Caroline’s other love interests NEVER saw her the way Tyler did. Btw, I wish people understood Tyler never, not once slutshamed Caroline for having sex with someone else. He was only mad that she slept with Klaus as if Klaus did not ruin Tyler’s life and murdered his mother. There’s obviously a reason Caroline didn’t want Tyler to know and continued to ignore the boundaries he placed up in s5 so they could just go back to the way SHE wanted them to be. It’s sad they were ruined because 5B of Forwood has moments where you can forget their broken up just based on Forwood’s chemistry. I forgot to add, some fans pretend Tyler couldn’t give Caroline a good life. Tyler wasn’t financially struggling, and would’ve done anything she asked of him. I think it’s a little problematic that Tyler did say everything he liked about himself was Caroline lol. But, he wanted nothing but her and their happiness. Just without the enslavement from Klaus.
Thank you for the ask!
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couragehopelovefaith · 3 months
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I don't always agree with the rankings by WatchMojo.com, but seeing Damon Salvatore on the "Top 10 TV Characters That Didn't Deserve Their Happy Endings"-list makes me extremely happy.
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jewels20 · 7 months
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if damon salvatore wasn’t a rapist with no respect for elena gilbert’s autonomy and independence I might be able to ship them.
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“borderline racist”
When did anyone in the vampire diaries or originals do anything racist??? Characters btw, not actors.
First season of TO: Klaus mocking Marcel’s whip wounds, them all staying in the plantation Marcel was raised in, Elijah constantly calling him boy, Kol’s aggressive behavior towards him
Not to mention the treatment of Bonnie, the fact that Katherine and the Salvatore’s had enslaved people, and that Damon was a confederate soldier.
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"But Stefan forced Damon to be a vampire 🥺."... And? Literally almost everyone was turned against their will. Doesn't give them a free pass to do what they want for all eternity, so why do y'all insist on babying Damon? Not to mention Damon wanted to turn and was only pissed cause Katherine turned Stefan too.
Stefan on the other hand didn't drink her blood willingly and didn't really have a clue what was happening. 🤷‍♀️ The amount of people who will legit state that everything Damons ever done is stefans fault cause he foced him to turn is crazy, but I don't see them blaming Katherine for everything Stefans ever done. Right because Stefan is a whole ass person, who makes his own choices and actively tries to be better.
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bennett-mikealson · 2 months
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Bonnie VS Anna:
TVD stans will never cease to amaze me when it comes to how hypocritical they can be with other characters in comparison to Bonnie all because they want to look for a reason to heavily villainize her and have an "I got you" moment with her.
This conversation was in regards to Bonnie lying to Elena and The Salvatores about Deactivating The Bennett because she wanted to avenge Grams and Save the town.
They stated the obvious things everyone always says about Bonnie in season 1 & 2 "I don't like how she acted towards Elena and the Salvatores after Grams died/ why was she "mean" to Elena & The Salvatores when she's responsible for Grams death". Then there the "she was so mean to Caroline like she wanted to be a vampire not to mention she's responsible for Caroline, Tylers dad and Anna death".
While I adressed all their points something that stuck with me is their constant need to fight for Anna as if she was a good person to Bonnie.
I got called selfish because I pointed out how Bonnie didn't need to care for Annas death because Anna put Bonnie in harms was by kidnapping her & Elena to try and force Bonnie to open the tomb. Not to mention she lied to Damon about knowing Katherine wasn't in the tomb and was originally using Jeremy to get info/close to the MFG.
In response to that they basically didn't care about all the prombles Anna casued for everyone and excused her actions because "all she wanted to do was get her mother back".
So let me get this straight:
Anna: Gained Damon and Jeremy's trust despite knowing that Katherine wasn't in the tomb and knwing that she was using Jeremy only to get close to MFG. Then she kidnapped Elena and Bonnie to try and force Bonnie to open the tomb. All in the name of saving her mother.
Bonnie: lied to Elena and The Salvatore's about Deactivating the Bennett Device. All in the name of Saving the town from murderous vampires and avenging her Grams.
Two very similar situations, yet Bonnie's the one that needs to be held accountable for being a bitch to everyone and betraying Elena and The Salvatores trust while Anna is the innocent girl who did what she had to do the save her mother.
Okay 😒
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stelenasired · 4 months
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have you guys SEEN the promos for SE kiss/sex scenes?
I MEAN
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my legit reaction was
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and I was like ... do you guys want me to leave?
*my GIFs*
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whateven333 · 1 month
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That line about katherine being a myth and a legend sounded ooc coming from kai katherine already is a overrated villain and we are supposed to believe he would have this respect for her over bonnie who killed the devil when all katherine did was use her whims to manipulate cade they had kai there why not just make him the villain over katherine
No clue why they decided to juggle Kai and Katherine at the same time as villains 😭 .They were a weird mashup imo
Though I think maybe they paired Kai and Katherine up on purpose to try and divert attention away from Kai x Bonnie, sort of like a "hey everyone look what about these two instead" -and certain people definitely ate that pairing up.
Kai and Katherine have pretty big personalities, Katherine's kind of a narcissist and Kai's...well, Kai. Even though they're both antagonists who are at odds with the MFG, doesn't mean they would get along and be this perfect pair, though it seemed that maybe that's what the writers wanted us to think about those two.
In fact, I think Kai's dynamic with Katherine would be a bit like his dynamic with Damon (not when they made Damon and Kai buddy buddy for no reason but like their initial dynamic through season 6) -like on paper Damon and Kai kinda seem similar in that they have a "devil may care" attitude, they can be tricky and they've got murderous tendencies. But they did not get along/ like each other.
Damon and Kai both like the sound of their own voice too much, they both like to be the one to be in control of a situation, -so it makes much more sense they'd likely be annoyed by eachother /dislike each other -so their season 6 dynamic made much more sense than when the writers switched it up to make them besties.
(In season 6 Kai and Damon seemed to best case scenario- only tolerate eachother or be sort of indifferent to eachother, there were also times they were outright annoyed/ hostile to eachother, also seemed like Kai said certain things on purpose in order to provoke a reaction from Damon and get him riled up- and it always seemed to work too lmaooo, I think Kai definitely knew how to push Damons buttons, it was light work for him lol -tho let's be honest Damon isn't know for his restraint)
--- I think Kai's dynamic with Katherine would also be sort of similar to this.
Also find it funny they tried to make Kai have some sort of relationship to other characters in season 8 -and imo they did not make sense for his character/ progression. Just seemed like they were avoiding having him interact with Bonnie as much as they possibly could.
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k8lynjoy · 19 days
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Pro-Damon arguments have always been pretty stupid imo, but an argument I've been seeing a lot more of recently is people saying that they prefer Damon to Stefan- both as a character and as a love interest for Elena- because "Damon was aware that he was a monster whereas Stefan pretended that he wasn't", and I have got to say, this is such a brain dead take.
Let's start by addressing the first part of the claim, that Damon's self-awareness inherently makes him better. No. Believe it or not, being self-aware does not make you a good person, it's what you do with that awareness that does. What does Damon do with his self-awareness? Absolutely nothing. He whines and cries about how much of a monster he is and how he can't change whenever anyone tries to hold him accountable for anything, or he just puts the blame on Katherine or his mother because "they didn't wuv him 🥺👉🏻👈🏻". So, he recognizes that he's a bad person, but then he proceeds to continue to be a bad person anyway...I'm not seeing how this is a good- or even a respectable- thing. Damon also doesn't care! He enjoys murdering and r*ping people. How does someone knowing they're a bad person, and then doing nothing to be better, make them a better person? It doesn't. The logic of that argument is non-existent. And to then go on and say that this is why Elena should choose him?? Why? How does Elena begging Damon to just stop being horrible, and then him responding with "I'm a monster, I'll never change" scream "I'm someone you should be with"?? There's a reason she told him he was the worst choice she would ever make.
Now, for the second part of the claim, which states that Stefan pretends that he is a good person when really, he's a monster. Once again: no. Tell me you don't have general comprehension skills without telling me because Stefan's desperation to hold onto his humanity and morality are very central parts of his character. He recognizes that he's done horrible things and takes full accountability for them. Whenever Elena asks him a question about his past, he's honest with her. He doesn't hide things from her, downplay them, or push the blame onto someone else (and if someone tries to bring up him not initially telling her he was a vampire, I will scream. Because duh! Why would he just be like, "Hey, I'm Stefan, I'm a vampire, nice to meet you!"? Please be serious) He's said the words "I am/was a monster" multiple times on screen - same as Damon - the difference between the two of them is that Stefan does something about it. Stefan trying to be a better person is not him pretending he's never done bad things. It's him trying to atone for all of the bad things that he has done. So, when he says that he's not Damon, It's true! Because he does everything Damon doesn't do when it comes to facing the consequences of his actions. Which also winds up forcing him to face the consequences of Damon's actions as well!
Only in the TVD fandom will you see people say that the guy who actively does the wrong thing in every scenario and who revels in being the bad guy is better than the guy who hates the part of himself that does horrible things and puts all of his effort into being a better person simply because guy #1 is "self-aware".
I hate it here.
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hyperactivewhore · 5 months
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I'm kinda bored and curious, and this also will help with my tvd!fame dr, so I'll ask:
What kind of jobs would the Mystic Falls have? Elena is a famous doctor in my dr, I made Damon serve bourbon because idc about him and I feel that Caroline could be a wedding planner but I'm not sure about her. Ideas? Tyler plays in the NBA and I feel Bonnie could be a model, like Rebekah
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cancerian-woman · 6 months
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in another light the sleeping coma arc is horrible for Bonnie especially when it’s Damon who reminds her the most she’s not Elena and not what people want.
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sukibenders · 2 days
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It still doesn't sit right with me that TVD framed Tyler as being in the wrong for being upset that his "friends" played a role in his uncle's death and then proceeded to lie about it even after he learned about the supernatural. Like, if I'm being honest, Mason wouldn't have been much of an issue had Damon been kept in check and didn't attack him. Even if he was working with Katherine, he definitely wouldn't have for long if he knew she was a threat. Like the Scooby Gang acting like he was more of treat, but staying silent when Damon was literally the provoker in the situation, is so annoying. Also, could just be me, but without Caroline I don't necessarily trust that any of them would have attempted to assist Tyler during his transformations and would have labeled him too "out of control" before having Damon kill him.
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