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hlizr50 · 1 month
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I was shown a post this morning (I think it was from Tumblr, but I'm not 100% sure) where someone asked if maybe something was LOST IN TRANSLATION because so many Gwynriel shippers aren't native English speakers.
Now...
I'm going to give this person the benefit of the doubt and believe that they truly don't mean anything negative by the question, even though the implications are... harmful to say the least.
Here's the deal, guys.
There are Gwynriel shippers all around the world because there are ACOTAR readers all around the world. The ship is not localized to a region or a language.
When people read books, the words on the page send a message. Sometimes, if we're super casual readers, the messaging is limited or we don't read a ton into it. For other readers who choose to delve deep into how the author writes to try to understand what might come next, it is obviously a bigger investment.
But at the end of the day, we all read the SAME BOOK (and bonus content) and those words made us all feel different ways. Made us want or predict different things. And that's all well and good. The problem comes up when we try to explain why we feel the way that we do.
I'm an engineer. Even though I enjoy creative writing and art, my brain is practical. I like having evidence. I like being able to identify trends and make an educated prediction based on them. As someone who ships Gwynriel, I have never denied that there are canonical moments where Azriel and Elain have some level of... something. On page. It would be ignorant of me to say that those moments don't exist. However, for the most part FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, when a Gwynriel shipper tries to use canonical evidence to support their ship -- WHICH EXISTS -- it's a constant barrage of 'that's not what that means' or 'how could you read that romantically?' or 'Gwyn is just a side character'. And then there are the blatant hypocrisies, like how Azriel saving Elain from Hybern is romantic but Azriel saving Gwyn at Sangravah should never be mentioned ever again.
I guess what this long-winded ramble is trying to say is that there's nothing lost in translation. We've read the same story, and we believe Gwynriel makes sense. We lean on canon and trends in the author's style to support the ship, and then we headcanon the hell out of it, because fandom is supposed to be fun like that. Some people read the story and believe that Elriel makes sense, and that's perfectly fine. But don't come at a Gwynriel shipper, attacking their textual evidence with your headcanon that Elain was barely existed in ACOSF bc she was apparently training to be a spy and she and Azriel were falling in love completely off-page with nothing to show for it.
And don't you dare make an implication so blatantly out of bounds like blaming it on some strange translation error that somehow miraculously makes Gwynriel makes sense, but only if it's not in English. Like... give me a break. And... think about what you're saying. For A SINGLE MOMENT.
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orangepanic · 2 years
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Tagging is a Two-Way Street: A Rant
I'm a big fan of tags. Sites like Tumblr and AO3 use tags to make it easy to find the content you want and, just as importantly, avoid the content you don't. It's extra important for fandoms, where you have diverse types of users looking for often very specific things while avoiding others across a broad platform offering a wide range of content. Tagging can make the difference between a library filing system and digging into a bin full of toys and razorblades with a blindfold on to see what you get.
But tagging is more than a system; it's a relationship. It relies on not one, but two types of behavior. First, the creator choosing the appropriate tags to reflect the content and relationships in their fanwork. Two, consumers using those tags to filter what they do and do not want to see. Both need to happen in order for tagging to work as intended.
Case in point, I received this comment today:
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On the surface, nothing egregious. There's no cursing or hate. It's a little pretentious going into an author's work to say not once but twice that you do not like their main ship, but the request is to change the tags. Fine. Sometimes readers catch things that are important, like trigger warnings. If the work is tagged incorrectly, it's good to let the author know.
That's an if.
Now, let's look at the actual tags though:
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I'm undoubtedly biased, but I'm fairly sure I've made it clear that this work is not Korrasami. In fact, it's not even tagged Korra/Asami Sato, but deliberately uses the "&" designation to indicate a non-romantic, or at least a potentially non-romantic, relationship. If that was too confusing, there are at least six other tags that clearly state what this work is, and what it isn't.
Now things get murky. I could remove the Korra & Asami Sato tag entirely, which does pull up in AO3 under the Korra/Asami Sato relationship tag, but they do have a relationship in this story. It's just not happily ever after. The choice then becomes either making the tags less accurate by removing a relationship that does exist in the fic (something at least 40-odd Korrasami fics featuring an Irosami breakup do not do) just so someone doesn't have to see it when they scroll, or leaving it in and trusting that readers have the ability to use other tags and context clues to filter out what they don't want to read. I firmly believe there is more art than science here. For example, it's very hard to find content for small ships; a challenge made worse by their often being included as side or past ships alongside major ones. So tagging a major ship fic with a minor ship tag is, in my mind, worse than the other way around. 99% of the fics tagged Korrasami are, in fact, Korrasami. Only about half of the ones tagged Irosami feature that pair. Proportionally, my one fic isn't going to change the Korrasami reading experience.
And this is where tagging is the most like a relationship. It requires trust. Creators have to trust that their tags will be used and taken in good faith to filter content, just as consumers have to trust that creators have used the tags to accurately identify their work. This is especially true for fanfic (vs fanart) where it's easier to not engage with content you don't want to see if it happens to come up. Just don't read it. No one in their right mind would look at the tags on this fic and click on it assuming it's Korrasami only to be disappointed later on.
Could I have sent a nasty reply about how this work isn't tagged Korrasami, but is in fact tagged not-Korrasami a few different ways? Sure. Did I think about it? Of course I did. But instead I decided to use my frustration to say that for every call from a fan to creators to tag your damned shit, there's a call from creators to read the fucking tags and use your brain.
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belltrigger · 2 years
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Hiya, first off I gotta say you're one pretty cool person!! It's really nice to see people being chill about shipping, I wasn't even aware of the (submas/blankshipping) ship having actual content considering how much of it is just antis hating on people. (which, morally, everyone is aware that it's completely fictional, and that bullying people online iss pretty questionable..) [Unlike the antis, you give off some really good vibes. Vibes that remind me of something along the lines of having hot chocolate on a cold day ^_^ ]
Anyways, I've seen you mention the submas fandom being pretty big a while back and/or having a fair bit of older media, and I was wondering where it is? I've only seen a few things on tumblr and it's mostly newer things from what I've seen, which isn't a bad thing but I'm incredibly curious about learning more of the history of the (submas/blankshipping) ship (and perhaps reading more fanfiction, there's so many creative people out there being so kind and sharing their brilliance!!!)
PS. You are very cool and great, and I hope life treats you well!!
Thank you so much for the compliments and well wishes! (I had an entire 'rant' about Antis here, but tbh I felt it unnecessary to your ask after rereading it, haha. The point of it was essentially that Antis are what lead me to even finding out about Blankshipping in the first place.)
However, perhaps you've mixed me up with someone I've been having a reblog conversation with because I'm actually pretty new to Submas and blankshipping? It's only this past week that I've actually found people to talk to; I was starting to give up hope on the English side of the fandom.
But! I do look at a lot of fanworks for them completely off-site, and believe me, there are a ton of them. My favorite is Pixiv, because I'm still getting used to the social rules of Twitter. The overall fan environment is significantly more welcoming than Tumblr's Submas fanbase. Whether or not you ship Blankshipping doesn't matter to me; how you act to the other side does. It's perfectly acceptable to not like them together, AND scrolling past costs nothing and is verrrry easy.
I am by no means an expert, and I barely know Japanese, but I've gotten pretty good at finding the right tags on Pixiv for my own means (due in part to other fandoms I've been in.) There are R18 works there, and while they do pretty much always clearly mark them, please exercise caution if that's not what you want to see!
If you or anyone wants me to talk about the tags I look up on Pixiv, I'd be happy to do so.
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