#and atsv proved that

[lastoneout]

ngl ALL of across the spiderverse was fantastic but that short scene where we got to see a disabled spider-person using a wheelchair and crutches while STILL kicking ass AND making jokes and puns about said mobility aids while doing so singlehandedly cured my depression and added 500 years to my lifespan <3

#spiderman is something that can be so personal actually #I have been thinking about why spiderman is so popular #and I really think it's bcs spiderman is a hero we can all see ourselves in #I don't think suffering is integral to spiderman's story exactly like I like that Miles is saying 'no we can end this cycle' #but I do think spiderman embodies how flawed we as humans are #and our drive to do good and live and get back up no matter how much pain we go through #spiderman really is so personal #and atsv proved that #atsv #atsv spoilers #across the spiderverse spoilers #across the spiderverse

[limeartichoke]

theyre so ♥️♥️♥️

#drew this to prove to myself that i can still draw digitally LOL #fanart #art #drawing #across the spiderverse #across the spiderverse fanart #atsv #hobie brown #atsv hobie #flowerpunk #hobie x miles #punkflower #miles x hobie #digital art

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

Hobie Brown Character AI is hypocritical.

I really be like 'ayo AI directly damages writers, voice actors and unions can you not use them, which in turn makes them better and more useful to the studios?' and people get MAD

People can say 'hey don't spend your money on Spiderpunk merch it directly contributes to corporations. That's not what he would've wanted'

And everybody cheers.

But if someone says 'hey please don't use Spiderpunk AI - it directly contributes to large movie studios using AI against the WGA. That's not what Hobie would've wanted'

And then SUDDENLY it's 'i just wanna write my little ai stories what's so wrong with that?'

You're directly going against the asks of a union that is actively striking.

That's not what Hobie would want.

Every time you roleplay with an AI or use a voice AI - You're helping develop the technology that puts people out of jobs

You want your Hobie AI stories to be realistic cause it's easier for you and more fun? GOOD.

THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE STUDIOS FEEL TOO. They want their Hobie AI stories to be as realistic as possible too - because then they don't have to pay their writers.

The same AI that writes Hobie fics for you is the same technology that writes scripts for studios.

The more you feed an AI Hobie information - the easier it is for the AI to produce - say, an entire scene from a Hobie movie script. Without the consent or input of the people who created him in the first place.

When Studios use AI, they can make the characters do and say anything without the writers or voice actors input.

Imagine you're an voice actor - they want you to say a line that's really offense and you refuse.

They say "Okay, that's fine. Just skip the line."

You say okay. You finish the rest of the lines and go home.

You go see the movie. And you hear all your normal lines - then you hear yourself saying the extremely offensive line.

What happened? The studio used a Voice AI of you to fill in the offensive line you didn't wanna say. Don't want your voice used that way? Too bad. They own the AI. They can make you say anything now.

Your agent can't help you and neither can your PR. You just have to take it.

Is that something Hobie would want for people?

If you cap for HOBIE in specific -

And you still use to choice AI despite knowing it's getting weaponized against the working class -

That behavior is hypocritical. There I said it.

You can't wake up gushing about a black working class punk and then be like 'what do you mean working class solidarity with a union that doesn't involve me'

You can't be out here loving a character known for helping oppressed people break out of technology that is made to oppress and harm them - (Go-Home Machine, The red Anamoly cages)

AND THEN be the ones aiding in the creation of a technology make to oppress and harm people.

With Hobie in specific - it goes against the entire morals of the character.

ROLEPLAY AND VOICE CHARACTER AIs THREATENS WRITERS AND VOICE ACTORS. I am out of work right now because of a strike based solely on this discussion.

The WGA strike is still happening. The holidays are coming fast. We need our jobs back. The better AI studios have, the less likely that becomes.

The more realistic your Hobie roleplay becomes - the easier it is for a studio to take that same technology and write a script with.

Why would a studio PAY a voice actor when someone on Tiktok developed an entire Hobie Brown AI for them that can say anything? They wouldn't. They'd just use the AI for free instead. The same one you're using.

Please - out of respect for the writers who made him and put careful time into him and his representation and his story - PLEASE, So those people can keep their homes, and jobs, and food in their children's mouths -

DON'T USE CHARACTER AI

Hobie would want you to stand with the union 💙

signed - a Production Assistant.

#someone is gonna get mad at this I know it #if you reply to this like oh I'm still gonna do it anyway #that's fine hypocrite just know you're a hypocrite #and you're free to show your hypocracy to the world - the fact you have no logical rebuttal only proves my point from the beginning #no read more no proof read #spiderman #atsv #marvel #hobie brown #spider man #spider punk #across the spiderverse #spiderpunk #Hobie brown x reader #Hobie brown x you #Hobie x reader #Hobie x you

[vampir3sfall]

miguel forgot to mention the other cannon event of every spider-person. they are all transgender

#spiderman across the spider verse spoilers #spiderman across the spiderverse #spiderman atsv #atsv #miguel o'hara #transgender spiderman #trans spiderman #trans spider gwen #trans miguel o'hara #trans miles morales #trans hobie brown #trans pavitr prabhakar #trans peter parker #yea the number of tags there are proves it #spiderman into the spiderverse #bat screeches

[funkinmadnesss]

Love this creature, the sport

#Spider man #across the spiderverse #spiderverse #atsv #the spot #the spot atsv #jonathon ohnn #jonathan ohnn #rufioarts #gonna post a single Miguel after this just to prove I draw things other than spot KSMDNDDK

[weebsinstash]

Sigh but like ok, ATSV spoilers but, that scene where Miguel is chokeslammimg and saying all that awful mean shit, which is kinda justified because from his perspective what Miles wants to do could, as far as he knows, destroy an entire universe. Well I'm such a sucker for "ok you burned me and betrayed me and now that you want my help or forgiveness, you don't get it" as a trope, so

imagine Reader being in a similar situation and of course Miguel is even starting to kind of catch feelings. You get introduced to him and the society and everything is hunky dory for a few months but, the Bad Thing Happening now has to happen to you, and, you feel hurt, you feel betrayed, you feel like all semblance of choice has been ripped away from you. Wait, you mean this super cool but massive responsibility that took you from a zero to hero... was never supposed to happen to you? You're a mistake? Like imagine you're actually doing an amazing job at being a hero and then running away from the Society, an above average gifted spider, maybe even potentially a mutant, but Miguel pins you down and says those things to you to try and get you to stop and it. Breaks you. Suddenly nothing you have ever done has ever even mattered. Wait, so they preach this horrible thing about to happen to you, that you're forcing you to not stop, THAT'S preordained, but you becoming a hero, you trying to make something of yourself, THAT'S a huge fuck up, a mistake, not supposed to happen? You don't BELONG there?

Miguel eventually comes to your cell and tries to speak to you, but you're just quietly crying and refuse to look at him. You won't talk to Peter or Gwen or anyone else, and they can't even get you to eat until you're practically vomiting from hunger and even then, it's just small, untrusting bites. They try to apologize and cheer you up but you reject any and all forms of communication and especially touch, if any of them tries to hug you, you shove them back, suddenly furious like you're about to throw punches.

You break down sobbing when you're told The Bad Thing happened, and you're asking, can you go home now? You look right at Miguel, look right in his eyes, "so you guys are going to leave me alone now, right? I get to go home and never see any of you ever again?"

That's... not quite what they wanted? You're a talented hero, just a little green! Just because you're kind of, an anomaly, doesn't mean they hate you! This wasn't personal! They realize a little too late that this didn't "forge you in the fires of adversity" or some poetic shit like that, it RUINED YOU. You hate them, you hate yourself, you hate ever donning this costume and risking your life for others only to be told it was all a mistake. You did this because you thought you were making a choice, but how is this any different than being some kind of slave, expected to burn yourself out and suffer for others?

But unlucky for you, there's some canon events Miguel will need your help with in the future, and if that means he has to atone by sticking to you like glue and forcing you to accept his mentorship as he basically drags you around forcing you to be Spiderman, then that's just what he's going to have to do. And if you turn out to be some kind of special mutant or other such creature that isn't affected by canon or shifting dimensions like they are, then, clearly there's no consequence if he wants to scoop you up for himself, right? And that will just be another reason he can have the Spider Society hunt you down with him if you ever escape his clutches

But also imagine you were destined to do something like lowkey amazing like cure cancer or develop groundbreaking tech or become one of the greatest spiders who ever lived and they check back in on you and you've like. Sold a vial of your blood to Osborne or something and you get royalties from whatever drugs he uses it for and you're just. Living a millionaire lifestyle refusing to care about anyone ever again and dont even own your spider costume anymore. Just the punishment and pain and manipulation of them realizing that they should've done things differently and they might have doomed your world in a different way altogether but also feeling guilt because they changed who you were, they don't have that person that was their friend anymore, you look at them with either hatred or indifference and just want to be left alone, and Miguel decides, ok, fixing you all up nice and better is going to become a little passion project of his

#ive also thought of like justice league applications. like with superman or batman or both #bruce realizes after you become a hero that youre a little too hard on yourself and this may actually be a bad outlet #he has you peacefully voted out of the league and everyone thinks its for your own good #they think you just need some time to breathe and not work so hard but instead you stsrt to spiral #bc this proves youre a failure. or so you feel #bruce checks on you and youre not working towards self improvement youre actually straight up getting worse #like they made you GIVE UP #atsv spoilers #atsv #sinprompts #yandere stuff

[usaigi]

Actually, Miguel hates Miles because he's a no sabo kid

#i thought his spanish was kinda bad because his actor isnt latino but miles 42 proves that miles 1610 is a poncho #not a total poncho i bet he can dance #miles molares #spider man 2099 #miguel o'hara #atvs #across the spiderverse #atsv spoilers #itvs #into the spider verse #gwen stacy #peter parker #usaigi speaks

[bear-ylee-stable]

I may develop an obsession with rainbow pencils 

#atsv spot #spiderman atsv #spider man into the spider verse #the spot #main character #hes so babygirl #prove me wrong #spider man across the spider verse #spider man

[boilingcowboy]

Across the Spider Verse wanting to make it look like there is a love triangle between Gwen, Hobie and Miles when in reality it's literally Hobie and Gwen being siblings and Miles completely misunderstanding it cus he feels left out (I don't blame him for it).

But like come on the way Gwen talks about Hobie is literally like a younger sibling talks about their older one also I know people think Gwen stealing Hobies stuff and living with him is supposed to be romantic or something but a younger sibling stealing your stuff and constantly being in your space is literally what Gwen is doing (also Gwen is literally homeless and Hobie is just helping her out).

And I could bet you if we saw their "a couple dozen" missions together it would be them arguing/bantering half of the time.

Also like Hobie just has this cooler older sibling vibe!!!!!

#gwen stacy #hobie brown #miles morales #across the spiderverse #spiderman atsv #atsv #Hobie brown the ultimate older sibling prove me wrong #me posting about atvs??? happens only once a full moon

[lemonouiiid]

rock-n-roll victim

#spider man: across the spider verse #across the spiderverse #atsv #atsv fanart #atsv art #spiderverse fanart #hobie brown #hobie fanart #spider punk #i love death sm you have no idea foams at mouth #also i hate my uni with a burning passion hate these rich ass people with zero creativity telling you what to do #all for a piece of paper that quote unquote proves your knowledge #i am smart just in my own ways #using this post to dump #hate dump? is this even a word #it is now

[movedtodykedvonte]

So confused where fandom/fic writers got this interpretation that Miles does stupid shit that doesn’t make sense or barely works out in the end or puts his friends in unnecessary danger all the time. Like in both movies the others simply underestimate him and don’t understand what Miles is doing cause he thinks like Miles, not like your everyday Spiderman. He uses his Venom Strike to throw Kingpin in the ITSV movie and literally saves Gwen and Peter because they went into battle less than ready. Then had the entire plan to lure the Spiders in ATSV, yet I keep seeing him written like he doesn’t think or gets his friends in trouble even when he understands the danger. Most of the time his different thinking has helped or led people to fix personal issues.

The first movie alone pretty much sets in stone that the exact opposite of what he wants is others to get hurt by his actions, inactions or the actions of others and trying to live up to that belief and the expectations it carries. Across the Spider-verse hammers it home with how he constantly tries to save people because that’s what he should do, rather than listen to some theory that is clearly not absolute at best and outright wrong at worst. Every fic has him being the one to cause issues and not fix them when his planning and actions literally helped save Gayatri and her father.  (c’mon we know the glitching was the spot)

Yeah, I get making him stubborn or strong willed cause he doesn’t listen all the time but usually it’s for a good and valid reason, if he listened every time he was told not to, guess how many of our beloved characters would be dead?

#cause all the times he acts rash are because hes being lied to misled or not treated like he is gonna have to be spiderman and is spiderman #first gwen with the entirety of spider society and why he couldn't come then talked over by Miguel and blamed for what he couldn't possibly #control not to mention the shoddy nature of miguels entire theory #cause if it was true 1610b earth 42 and mayday wouldnt have happened or would collaspe casue miles was never supposed to be spiderman #so many things would be going wrong if it was true #miles is pretty level headed most of the time and quick he outsmarted the guy who made the trans dimension tech for crying outloaud #he simply doesnt tell his exact plan he does it and its up to others to figure it out cause why would he narrate his plan to them #he litteraly tells miguel he just doesnt know what miles is doing in response to miguel thinking hes just running blindly even Peter & Gwen #are suprised cause the whole point of miles story is others thinking they know it and underestimating him #him being dumb and rash and naive in fics just isnt a good source of conflict especially if its post ATSV and BTSV #he is constantly stating he doesnt need to prove himself as spiderman to anyone but himself soemthing he realizes in ITSVs climax #he already knows he spiderman and be damned if hes gonna try to prove it to someone who wanted his dad to die like yall treat him like he #learned nothing Miguel made more issues by not listening to Miles about the spot like he wants to wait for him to get stronger so Miles dad #will die think about that and say Miles is rash and doesn;t think again he isnt inexperienced or naive anymore save that for Pavitr who jinx #himself and has only been spiderman for 6 goddamn months #miles morales #across the spiderverse #atsv #spiderverse #atsv spoilers #spiderman #mini rant over im actually going to sleep now

[outer-edges]

nobody taking miles seriously and then him by the end of the movie beating them all and in fact proving that he is not just a spiderman but THE goddamn spiderman is not something im ever going to be able to stop thinking about ever. yes u go baby show those other spider people who’s boss. whoop their asses.

#miles morales #once again proving that we need to stop talking about peter parker and let miles be the premiere spiderman #nobody will stop bitching about the spiderman comics anyways just let peter go #atsv #across the spider verse spoilers #across the spiderverse #and no because he’s right too. #all those spider people being fake as fuck #why should they let people die?!? #because oscar isaac said so?!? #i get that he’s sexy but c’mon people!!!

[lady-tortilla-chip]

I like the dynamic between Miles and Miguel because Miguel is all “I can’t stand how scared your existence makes me, I can barely handle the weight of one dead universe let alone two, this doesn’t make me any happier than it makes you but it’s the better outcome, you’re just a stupid kid and your universe hasn’t fallen apart yet WHY push your luck?” And Miles is all “it doesn’t have to be that way, I’m not just a stupid kid, this isn’t all or nothing, something can always be done, just because spider man doesn’t always save everyone doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, nothing is impossible, and I’ll prove it whether you like it or not”

#I have no idea if this makes sense but alfjwotmwpmrlwlal #LISTEN not nearly enough people talk about how the root of Miguel’s borderline animalistic rage is 110% fear #fear of what Miles existing meant #fear that he was a crack that just continued to spider and will continue to do so until everything falls apart #and I love Miles’s determination to prove him wrong #to prove that he’s plenty strong and plenty capable and that maybe it doesn’t have to be that way #the conflict is so good #especially because it’s not simple #and they both ultimately think they’re right #well I mean Miles is def more complicated than that but yeah #ATSV #miguel o'hara #miles morales #this is also why I cant hate Miguel btw #it’s really obvious from when he meets Miles that he already has beef and that beef o think is fear and jealousy

[saviourfinn]

Into the Spiderverse : anyone can wear the mask ! You can be Spiderman too !

Miguel in Across the Spiderverse : actually you need to fill in several specific criteria or else you're a freak anomaly and also i hate you

#i hope miles will prove him wrong in beyond the spiderverse ! #atsv spoilers #across the spiderverse spoilers

[conscious-naivete]

gah the fact that the spot’s career was basically the same thing that miles wants to go to school to become… they’re nemeses..

#the way they created each other… chain reactions #they both want to prove themselves… ​they’re similar… this is what makes a good rivalry #across the spiderverse #atsv spoilers

[fellhellion]

Honestly even calling Spot a remnant of the hero’s choices is giving him too much credit, he was stealing the dark matter jar at his mob boss scientist job when the entire collider exploded, said collider only in existence AND exploding due to noted mob boss

#he’s so pathetic and I like him so much #but I wouldn’t sincerely say he’s like. a literal relic of a hero’s obliviousness or choices #he’s like I MADE YOU MILES <- only provided a catalyst where MILES was the one to prove himself #he’s a mirror to Miguel in certain ways #the projection onto Miles for things that just aren’t his fault #also why spot’s theme plays when Miguel is having that nasty rant at miles on the train #because his actions are directly facilitating the villain’s actions and he’s very much not being a good guy in that moment a #ESP in sending everyone after miles and only a couple dudes after spot #get it fucking TOEGTHER man #tunes talks spiderverse #begins a post talking about spot #ends a post w tags about Miguel #the brainrot never ends #spiderverse spoilers #atsv