#When talking about Zionism

[bijoumikhawal]

"leftists don't fall for/into right wing hate campaigns for other groups as much as they do for antisemitism" is a really funny way of broadcasting which groups you pay attention to. Anyway we all do remember V*ush and his sycophants constantly claiming "land back is a call for ethnostates" and baiting WOC to intentionally misrepresent their politics on race up to and including claiming they want white genocide, right.

Acting like somehow people on the left are often progressive about every other thing but are antisemites is absurd. It happens, but its not common. An antisemite is often also a racist, a xenophobe, religiously intolerant overall, etc. There are plenty of racist, xenophobic, shithead leftists. Anyone who's actually a leftist would know there's constant tumbling online with shithead leftists and they never have just one shithead opinion.

#cipher talk #V*ush is also an antisemite but his hate campaigns to my knowledge focus on people of color #Antisemitism is more like a sickening bonus he pulls out in these debates #Also! This sort of shit in my experience is more common than isolated 'leftist antisemitism' among actual leftists #The people following V*ush's lead consider themselves leftists #Some examples of 'leftist Antisemitism' people pull really feel like they saw an antisemite express one progressive opinion and screamed #'ITS THE DAMN LEFT AGAIN' #I promise you. A lotta people doing that are not leftists #It annoys me because there are actual common tropes of leftist antisemitism I experience but it feels like people only bring up the idea #When talking about Zionism #Actual things I've experienced have like. Nothing or little to do with that. It's more 'a lot of shit c*ntrapoints has done' and militant #Or utoptian atheism (the latter being something I've had other marginalized religious people tell me was making them uncomfortable but that #They didn't feel comfortable speaking up about in leftist spaces) #Or like. People who didn't grow up in the West saying offensive shit because they know what a Nazi is but never got a proper education #About Jewish history- generally they aren't trying to be offensive. They literally do not know better. It doesn't make it okay #But it's not the same as the other shit #Or in some cases they're like. A hypocrite who believes in anti colonialism but only for themselves #Such as that one guy who saw me speaking about Coptic issues and the importance of leftists to not cede ground to Zionists by letting them #Coopt ideas from MENA indigenous groups and said 'shut up Jew'. He didn't know I was Jewish. He was making an unfavorable comparison to #Shame me into silence #Admittedly it was funny and I still think it's funny because jeez man. At least say a slur! But it was antisemitic regardless of the fact #That I found it to stupid to be upset by #It's also notable there that like. The guy was not primarily mad because of Judaism. He was angry because of a Copt existing and talking #The Copt happened to be my freak ass and Coincidentally was what I am

[stil-lindigo]

an ex-zionist jewish man recently went a bit viral on tiktok for sharing exactly how he sees zionism tie israel to the jewish identity and his personal experience with breaking away from it - I think it’s a really great watch.

He also made a follow up talking specifically about how he learned to humanise Palestinians, and a really integral part of it was his school, which would often bring in Palestinian speakers who’d share their perspective (here’s a link to it).

#tiktok against all odds inspires a lot of hope in me bc of how prevalent palestinian support is over there #so much of the younger generation is so media literate and articulate about standing up to oppression #and getting perspectives like this I think is really beneficial when it comes to understanding where Zionist talking points come from #I don’t particularly think right now our priority should be reaching out to zionists or anything #it should always be Palestinians at the forefront of activism our activism #but this is educational. Zionism is not Judaism and this proves that. #it’s never too late to turn away from oppressive propaganda and have empathy for your fellow man #palestine #israel #free palestine #from the river to the sea

[thebusylilbee]

morally bankrupt people on here : "zionism isn't bad !!! look up the history of it before you speak you antisemitic idiot !!!"

meanwhile the history of zionism : *shows that zionism was a violent colonialist project from literally day one*

#this is so embarrassing... #even more embarrassing when it's jewish zionists saying it bc it's like when a person raised christian thinks they know everything about #christianity... like buddy just bc your mama and papa told you something doesn't make it true... #israel #zionism #palestine #racism #colonialism #bee tries to talk #antisemitism

[philsmeatylegss]

Noah Scnapp turning off comments on his tiktok and Instagram. The audacity.

#I literally get so angry just thinking about it #it’s one thing to stay silent #it’s another thing to fucking sit laughing with friends coming from your million dollar house about how ‘Zionism is sexy’ and talking about #how scared YOU are when Palestinians aren’t even safe in hospitals and refugee camps is INSANE #it’s one thing to be silent #it’s another thing to support Israel #(which you can tell I already hate) #but it’s fucking MILES AWAY to laugh while parents try to find the body parts of their children in rubble #I get so angry #rae’s rambles #noah schnapp

[denkisauce]

don’t have the energy to rewrite my thoughts here on tumblr but these past couple weeks have been so rough and it’s really hard to talk about my feelings on everything but also really hard to not talk about.

i know i’m just like a random blog on tumblr but it feels important to share my feelings. zionism does not hold up under scrutiny or critical thinking which is why it’s so important to educate yourself, even if it’s hard even if it’s uncomfortable. knowledge is power and being informed is a key tool againist oppression

#i have a lot a LOT more i keep trying to write down and it’s so hard to get my thoughts in order #figured it’s better to get some of them out than nothing at all #but it’s hard to explain how it feels like every day every hour my heart is breaking #so much grief for the palestinian people while also feeling so much grief for like my own humanity??? #like feeling so taken advantage of by zionism #to have had my idealism and hope held hostage in the wha that it was #and when i talk about indoctrination i do not use that term lightly #like i’m talking courses in high school the idf coming and taking to our middle schools #telling 12 years olds that to believe in something is to be willing to die for it and nothing less #etcetera etcetera #perbsonal #palestine #zionism #anti zionism #jews for palestine

[mummer]

i know the fascism intrinsic to zionism is obviously apparent on the face of it but it is really illustrative of Something that it has my so-called liberal father posting links to fucking prageru videos trying to manufacture consent for the murder of palestinian children

#i seriously dont know what to fucking do anymore i feel so lost and bleak and cant go to anyone with it #one of the posts was so deeply disturbing i find it utterly unforgivable. one of the most truly depraved things ive ever read #hopeless fruitless pointless #i cant fight him but i cant just smile and wave. Whats my option here. Cage cage forever. #i dont think i can ever forgive this and the worst part is i cant forget it lol #when we first started fighting when i was in high school it was about zionism!!! that was pointless too #but when he said shitty things then i didnt have a record of what he was saying. i’ll have this screenshot forever #how am i supposed to talk to him tomorrow without sobbing. Lol. #i have to go blow my brains out #delete later. I guess

[maddy-ferguson]

i saw someone say they were hoping noah would apologize and it's just kinda fascinating to me...if he thought zionism was sexy on monday (or i guess on sunday probably and for many days and weeks before that) why would he suddenly think it's an awful ideology on friday?

#and like i say: brf slt #i think people found out what zionism was like three weeks ago and think it's a slur or something when like #no it's an actual ideology it doesn't just mean killing and displacing an entire people that's only what ends up happening when you...put #the plan into motion. but yk #i would say zionism can mean one of three things: supporting the establishment of a jewish state. supporting the state of israel #specifically. supporting whatever awful thing the israeli government/army is up to that day #i saw someone get yelled at in the replies of a post because they were saying this when they were literally right? it was a post about noah #so again i'm assuming people don't know what they're talking about because. they don't. lol #and like obviously proudly being a zionist rn and being like zionism is sexy while israel is bombing people in the name of zionism after #killing and displacing people for decades in the name of zionism can only mean that you condone all that. but idk. i didn't like the way #people talked to that person WHO WAS LITERALLY RIGHT when they were probably the same people who were saying no going to israel and saying #you love it there doesn't mean anything at all this summer #and about the apology. lmao. i've seen people say the same thing about timothée chalamet on twitter and like yeah if he thought the hamas #joke was funny on saturday why would he be like omg nooooo this is really unfunny on monday. i'm not saying you can't expect anyone to #apologize for anything ever but celebrity apologies...................lmao. even when they do apologize it's always like i'm sorry #you're offended not i'm sorry for doing it #and explain to me how or why you would expect noah to be like sorry i didn't mean that zionism was a good thing. like what about his track #record would make you think he'd change his mind😭 if he ever realizes how wrong he is it definitely will not be now #and people saying that video should get him fired is like. brett gelman posted something about how if you don't get called a racist on the #internet once a day you're doing something wrong and you think they're gonna fire noah for being around stickers that say 'this ideology we #the creator+producer of the show subscribe to is sexy' and 'this organization we have decided has beheaded 40 babies and we're so #sure of that we repeated the lie in our open letter thanking the president who corroborated that lie is isis'. like they agree with him #i'm not defending anything btw i'm just saying why the fuck would you expect him to be like oh my bad you're right and apologize😭

[cairamelcoffee]

An Arab undergrad at Stanford was injured in a hit & run earlier today. The driver, a zionist who previously harassed SJP members at their campus protests, told the student, "fuck you and your people."

The student is in a local hospital being treated for his injuries. I has been over six hours since the attack, and Stanford still hasn't sent an alert to the campus to notify students of this dangerous hate crime.

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#going to remember the white mutuals who have been so quiet about how racist zionism is #u're going to agree and share zionist settler points and when they use judaism as a shield for isnotreal's actions but remain basically #silent towards racism against arabs and silent towards islamophobia! #it's sick to see some of u sharing zionists using the holocaust as an excuse to...be at the root of another one ???? #how does that make sense to you #stop letting isnotreal and zionists conflate judaism with apartheid #it's literally only beneficial to zionists bc any criticism of isnotreal can just be dubbed as antisemitic and disregarded #do not let zionists implicate (non zionist) jews in genocide and apartheid #u've seen how zionists treat and talk to non zionist jews #oops i ranted in the tags #hate crime #racism #anti zionisim #anti white supremacy

[hassibah]

I appreciate articles like this and the distinctions are so important. But I'm noticing a lot of them lack clarity that liberals have trouble articulating anti-Palestinian racism because you have to talk about Zionism if you talk about the manifestations of racism against Palestinians. Like the idea that Palestinians are interchangeable with other Muslims and Arabs is so central to Zionism and Nakba denial.

#palestine #zionism #zionism does affect arabs in other countries too ofc but how do you not talk about it as an ideology when you are talking about #why people deny that palestinians even exist

[bijoumikhawal]

only going "rape and torture are bad" when people defend Palestinians is pretty fucking scummy, speaking as someone who knows more than the average person on this site does about torture, and hates it real bad and knows a lot of people repeat torture apologia because it's deeply pervasive in modern culture

#cipher talk #Again: yes rape and torture ARE bad. Currently there is limited evidence of that occuring from Palestinian militants #During this operation #Instances may happen and may even be likely purely because this is armed conflict #How come you don't state the same when faced with Israeli opinions? #Because there are MANY. AND I MEAN MANY. Near constant reports of both from Israeli prisons and soldiers! #I get part of it is that frankly American Jews and Jews on tumblr do not see the most rabid forms of Zionism #Because I do remember being shocked when I got more active in Twitter and realized just how deeply racist and genocidal #Some zionists openly were #But I really almost want to laugh because like. A lot of yall are reformniks #The state of Israel does not respect you! It barely thinks you're Jewish! But you defend it so hard! #Claiming it's the only refuge for Jewish refugees in times of crisis like I've seen one rabbi do... completely ignoring how many jews #Are effectively declared not Jewish enough for those very purposes #A few weeks ago I was in fact darkly wondering to myself how they would be used if something happened that made Ugandan Jews into refugees #How they were not Jewish enough for the rabhinate but would surely be used in propaganda if antisemitic violence occurred #About why Israel is 'necessary' even though they were denied upfront

[harrowharkwife]

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#i can't bring myself to talk about the palestine israel stuff publicly online yet no matter how many times i try #but please rest assured that i am not ignoring any of it. it's weighing on me very heavily and occupying most of my irl conversations #every time i try to talk about it i end up writing a fucking novel length brick of text #if anyone wants to talk about it i am here and open to discussing it via DMs #it has been a difficult and exhausting and disheartening and intensely uncomfortable week to be an anti-Zionist jew online #which i do realize is incredibly western/American/first world problems of me to be saying when people are literally dying #but just. i have a lot of thoughts but for the most part they all boil down to frustration at having my entire faith and culture #equated with zionism at every turn #and it is so distressing to watch chronically online westerners actively cheering on death and war and conflict #and none of the things i want to say will fit in a post or a canva infographic or a tweet or an insta story #just. palestinians deserve to live freely. jews deserve to live safely. #what we're seeing now is the inevitable result of decades of violent genocidal settler colonialism #that doesn't make it justified or any easier to swallow or any less heartbreaking #personal #idk

[thebusylilbee]

spain and belgium, showing some fucking spine : can we stop supporting a genocide ? wtf is this madness ? put an end to this shit !

meanwhile a literal LEFTIST newspaper in France, spineless : "No truce or hostage release in Gaza until Friday. The end of the ordeal for dozens of Israeli hostages will have to wait [rest of the text proceeds to not say A SINGLE WORD on the ordeal innocent palestinians have been going through]."

#this isn't a joke or an exageration btw this is a literal translation of what I read when I opened the newsletter yesterday #like mmmmh are you sure the israeli hostages are the ONLY ones who need a break here ??? ARE YOU FUCKING SURE ???? #racist cunts I won't forget it and I won't forgive #bee tries to talk #palestine #france #spain #belgium #zionism #racism #I am talking about Libération btw :))) #upthebaguette

[james-stark-the-writer]

oh. praying for her lmao, girlie, best to get off of socials while you can, for your own sanity.

and the rest of you lot, don't fucking watch the show. especially not with how zionist the game narrative was.

#james talks #the last of us #tlou #interesting casting choice ig but let's see if her performance will be as mediocre as Pedro's or as immaculate as Bella's #it looks more and more like S02 will be young Abby training and Ellie in Jackson so it'll be exploring shit the games didn't #i mean i'm probably not gonna watch it given all the zionism of the sequel as much as i think it's a masterpiece— #but it is interesting at least. #i think it's likely they either end S02 with THE scene or when Abby gets a lead about them during Christmas and S03 is the actual game #i mean i think it'll be a proper fucking disaster more than likely bc TLOU2's story would fundamentally never be the same bc of how much— #the first season changed every character's purpose and how much TLOU2 relied on familiar cycles and ideas how Ellie's character arc's— #potential was butchered bc she and Joel just do not have the relationship for the story of Part II to make any fucking sense in this world— #and Dina's dream was just stolen and given to Joel in S01 bc that was something they wanted to do in S02 ig and make Dina even less of a— #character and i don't think i want to see them butcher it even more than they did the story of the first game— #(and you can look up my thoughts on that on my 'the last of us' tag if you want) #especially bc of how much i adore the second game even beyond how much of it is framed in a zionist lens.

[punkass-diogenes]

Reminder that when you talk about Zionism with regard to the state of Israel, you are talking specifically about political Zionism. Although the two have more or less become synonymous in the modern age, there have historically been and still are other forms of Jewish Zionism that the numerous very valid critiques of political Zionism do not (necessarily) apply to, and many of them preceded political Zionism.

#when I say I am anti-Zionist #I mean I am actually anti-poltiical Zionism #that I disagree with the underlying philosophy behind the modern state of Israel #and the one that continues to drive it today #I don't think it is necessary to specify this every time we talk about Zionism #but i think it's important that people who use this term understand that it *can* refer to other things #zionism #jewish #jewish history

[mybrainproblems]

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#so fucked up to look back at the time i was 16 and my US history teacher tried to indoctrinate us into supporting zionism #big part of why i bounced off was how jarring it was to go from the US in the 1700s to the 1940s to present #it's been almost 20 years and it still gives me the heeb jeebs that she did that #esp post 9/11 when so many kids had been primed by media and parents to think of arab ppl/muslims/the middle east as uncivilized #and this lady is talking about the shining democracy of israel bringing light and progress to a ''backwards'' region #just. absolutely chilling. she had 30 kids basically captive and having to listen to anything she said for 45min and knew it.

[p0ison-moon]

(this is petty and unreasonable of me but also it’s real feelings so whatever) gosh I just love the cycle of antisemitic thing happens ➡️ all my goy friends put one (1) thing on their Instagram story about and don’t mention it ever again or ask me if I’m okay ➡️ the post they shared is from some Zionist org that thinks Palestinians don’t have the right to organize and advocate for themselves and call out Israel etc etc or whatever ➡️ I get angry but don’t say anything because I’m always the angry anti-Zionist and also the angry Jew and I don’t want them to feel like they’re never going to be good enough for me ➡️ repeat

#mercy.txt #it’s like I don’t know how to approach anyone about this #I’m too nice and they don’t listen or take it seriously #or I’m too mean (translation: I’m firm and honest) and it feels like they resent me for scolding them #meanwhile I see all these mediocre takes about Zionism every day and it annoys me #as Jews we do not get to absolve ourselves from our involvement with Zionism just because it’s uncomfortable #like. it’s not up to you to finish the job but neither are you free to withdraw from it. you get what I mean? #this isn’t fully our mess but that doesn’t mean we get to ignore it & never talk about it #I know so many Jews who say they agree with me but won’t actually stand up and say that Loudly. #I know that conflating Judaism with Zionism is a massive problem but it’s like this: #Judaism ≠ Zionism but as Jews we’re still obligated to call out injustice when we see it #especially when it’s happening in a place that’s meaningful to us & being done by other Jews #like לא תעמוד על דם רעיך #yes it’s inappropriate for people to bring up Israel the second we try to have a conversation about antisemitism #but the solution isn’t to say that we should never have to acknowledge Israel #(all while passively and quietly supporting Israel by not saying anything) #my main takeaway is that you can stand up against antisemitism and Zionism & it’s irresponsible not to #like it doesn’t even have to be an online thing I just want to see other Jews agreeing with me openly #I’ve had a grand total of one (1) Jew stand up with me in a meaningful way #and that was just a conversation outside of synagogue on Rosh Hashanah! it wasn’t hard! #anyways I’ll shut up now