The way Wtfock manages to spoiler themselves needs to be studied
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while i do agree with the sentiment that bloodclan should be more nuanced as an entity i still believe it is wrong to portray them as the necessary "response" to clan injustice (haven't read the books in years but i am pretty sure that bloodclan started with no connection to the clans) / an opposition to the clan's flaws. some of the thing scourge did was out of selfishness and bloodclan isn't the other colour of the black and white debacle with the clans. the clans are heavily flawed yes, but it isn't realistic to completely say that their structure had no redeeming qualities altogether and that all outsider groups is fundamentally better than the clans.
all clans and groups are flawed in their own way and i believe we shouldnt brush past the things that other groups (the sisters and what they do with their toms *cough cough*) did solely to be able to degrade the clans and their culture.
Buddy, you're setting up a strawman. I promise you that if you look into the reduxes I've made of BloodClan, Guardians, The Sisters, and the Tribe, you will see that I don't make any of them a "flawless" alternative to Clan life.
Nor do I say that the Clans have no redeeming qualities. In fact, you can browse the "Clan Culture" tag to see the various expansions I've made to show how these traditions, values, and technological advances make Clan life so alluring.
The overarching theme of BB is that the nature of culture is change. For better AND for worse.
With respect, I think there's something insidious in the wording of "the things the other groups did." We're talking about fan responses to a work that consistently demonizes and degrades foreigners to make the Clans look like the "best way to live," justifying xenophobia. These are not real groups, they are writing choices.
In the franchise with some pretty extreme examples of misogyny, the authors said "What if bizarro world where women rule and have no men... woag..." and only includes a single Clan-alligned member of this culture, with a BAD opinion of them, who can't even do his diplomatic job because he HATES them so much.
In the same franchise that shows Fireheart getting bullied, facing prejudice, and fighting a murderous tyrant who publically executes a mixed-race character, their endgame villain is an outsider, like him, but this one IS a godless heathen who HATES love and friendship and banned families.
In the VERY same franchise which made its first non-malicious group barely able to get through an arc without needing to be saved by Clan cats, totally unable to defend themselves, framed as "whiny" for not wanting their clearly 'inferior' culture to be forcefully changed.
And I'm re-stating all this because, again, no offense to you in particular Anon, but I've been seeing a few people with a sentiment like yours lately. Complaints into a vacuum that don't make targeted critique of anyone's fanworks, gesturing at this broad "woobification" which is apparently out there somewhere over the rainbow, saying things like "well Scourge is selfish" or "well Moonlight abandoned her 13 year old" as if we haven't BEEN knew.
As if we're not all directly responding to these choices. As if I haven't written ESSAYS on this topic.
Since this was about BloodClan in particular though, and you admit you haven't read the books in years, please go back and actually read Rise of Scourge before trying to make critique of the ways fanon rewrites its origin. It's EXPLICITLY a response to the Clans, in the text, that the Erins wrote, it is canon that fanon is working with.
And you want people to take that out and approach it a different way... why? Because it's so incredulous to you that a nation forms in response to a threatening neighbor? That a common enemy through invasions is a way that people might choose to unite, and encourage their new culture to value brutality? Because you don't like the idea of Clan Culture's XENOPHOBIC BATTLE CULTURE affecting surrounding communities??
Could YOU, maybe, be doing this "woobification" thing I keep hearing about? Can I play this stupid game too? What's our stupid prize? Can it be a lollipop? Do we get stickers
TL;DR, ok.
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don't mind me, just trying to piece together whatever the fuck is going on with capitano/bloodstained knight/anfortas
capitano and bloodstained knight:
extremely righteous, honorable
both wear an iron mask (potential reference to sir ironside, the red knight) with a 4 pointed star thing, varka says capitano is as hard as iron
BK turned into the black knight, capitano wears black armor
capitano and anfortas:
capitano's constellation 3 nails is the same as anfortas's ( the fisher king's) tarot card 3 staves
3 nails reference to jesus crucifixion, arthurian anfortas has jesus symbolism in modern adaptations due to being stabbed with the holy lance in the same place as jesus when he was being crucified
arthurian anfortas weighed down by heart, there is art of him being stabbed through the heart with a lance to symbolize his suffering, capitano has a heart symbol on his chest weighed down with ropes
anfortas's (collatoral or direct) descendent kaeya was conveniently present when varka's letter about capitano was read. <- potential foreshadowing
capitano hides his identity and origins, like in the legend of the swan knights; anfortas is knight marshal of the swan knights (schwanenritter)
capitano is an ordinary mortal going against gods = khaenri'ah trade mark
capitano has dark blue eyes, every khaenri'ahn so far has blue eyes
capitano, bloodstained knight and anfortas
capitano = black knight, bloostained = red knight, anfortas = white (swan) knight <- black/red/white = reference to the magnum opus ??? which can be used to "describe a personal and spiritual transmutation in Hermeticism"
BK wanted to die in khaenri'ahn ruins, pledged himself to the abyss to avenge khaenri'ah, reborn (??) as black knight
anfortas and BK fates unknown
anfortas failed to save khaenri'ah, BK vowed to correct the injustice done to khaenri'ah after pledging himself to abyss
capitano has two caduceus symbols on his collar = symbol of aforementioned hermeticism. or psychopomp? between life and death??? two snakes entwined = two people in one body?
black knight is a reference to the black knight from arthurian legends, in some instances he is related to anfortas
ARGHHH
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honestly. I don't really have a lot of interest in jjk anymore, which is super frustrating as the story foundation is really interesting. I have my favorite characters, and I'm not really interested in reading beyond this point.
As a whole, I'm not a huge fan of dropping stories just because they don't go the way you want. In general I personally try not to do this, but stories where the author clearly hates the material or the audience so much they're willing to destroy the story to do so are not enjoyable. I really don't think gege even really likes writing jjk anymore.
There may be some change that I hear about months from now where something worked out one way or the other, but in general I feel like this story is not going to resolve in a way that feels like reading it was a worthwhile experience. And like, for good OR bad. Not every story has a happy ending, but this is really not particularly interesting and I don't feel the need to continue a story where the writer isn't even interested in what happens or how it advances anything outside of their personal pettiness. Feels very much like grr Martin. All the meaningless death and abuse without any real redeeming qualities.
I'm trying to remind myself that not every author wants to be a storyteller. Not every story is good. It's ok to read stories that aren't the best simply because you want to see where it goes, but gege isn't superior in some way, and i dont 'trust that he's cooking'. Even if the story turns around in an interesting or strategic way, I really am not particularly impressed. Ordinarily I would stay along for the ride, but I can't bring myself to care about something even the author doesn't care about. :/
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