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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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I’ve been thinking about the significance of three.
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The time keepers, however fake, were originally three. The war room has a triangular table where three people are supposed to be sitting at an equal distance from each other. Although there are five Kangs on the wall. In the end, there are many shots where people stand in three and almost always form an equilateral triangle. Yeah, it’s very cinematic and beautiful, especially in wider shots, but imo also symbolic in our case.
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What if for the TVA to work properly it would actually require three people?
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Someone who is practical and cares for order and people’s safety; someone who is more chaotic and can act quickly and effectively in ever changing circumstances; someone who thinks clearly, can mediate and decide at every moment how much chaos and order they need at any particular moment?
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What if they have to be three?
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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My grumpy ass has seen too much attack on Sylvie after ep4 despite having proper filtering and blocked blogs and decided to write this instead of studying for my exams. I’m sorry to probably disappoint, though: I am not solely a sylki or a lokius shipper. Both exist for me and make sense to me without excluding each other.
I think one thing people kinda forget when they aggressively discard Loki’s factual, canonical relationship with either Mobius or Sylvie is that complex characters tend to have complex relationships. You can be friends with more than one person and/or you can be in love with more than one. Also, the intensity of a connection can be different depending on how long/deep people happen to know each other. It doesn’t automatically mean that one connection is more valuable than the other. Everything matters, everything affects and shapes a person’s growth.
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Loki clearly fell in love with Sylvie, or more like with an expectation or an impression of her. It happened too fast, and he had no time to process if he can trust her, or what it is she wants, or is it even mutual. He just decided that he deeply cares for her and hence is devoted to her. She was a bit more perceptive and used it to her advantage. Mortal humans fall in love all the time just like him. It happens earlier or later in life, or never to some.
Sylvie and Loki are variants of the same person. Sylvie feels like a Loki from the first Thor, desperate and lonely and angry. He probably falls for her because he recognises this similarity but he doesn’t take into account that he himself already changed. But well, symbolically he learns to respect and accept himself, his past and present selves, his wrong doings, learns to analyse and grow from there into something new.
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And where Sylvie rejects him, Mobius accepts him. With Mobius he learns to respect and care for others. His partnership with Mobius goes from the good old back-stabbing through betrayal and hurting each other to a deeper connection. They share thoughts and learn to understand each other’s motivations. Loki is humbled by the fact that infinity stones are paper weights but even more by the fact that he himself is essentially just a little dude who wants to have friends, to have fun and do something meaningful. His past doesn’t define him or lock him out of any other probable futures.
He learns to be a friend. It is first of all a friendship, and as it deepens they love and care for each other even more. Maybe it’s something that never worked out with Thor, to be equal and to be seen.
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In season 2 Loki reevaluates his own priorities. Sylvie still matters to him but he lifts his expectations and just lets her be, tries to understand her and love her as she is. To love this way, without asking anything back, is actually a very powerful thing. It changes you. He probably sees her better now and understands too.
He puts more significance into his reciprocated connections, he learns to combine self-love with the love for others. It might be my specific perception, but I don’t think that platonic love is somehow worse or better than romantic love. They don’t cancel each other. We learn from a small age that love is this and that, and it always ends with kisses, kids and weddings, but in fact it’s not. I’m not saying that dreaming about this kind of love is wrong. I’m saying that it’s not the only possible option. If Mobius and Loki are never engaged in physical intimacy it doesn’t render their unique connection meaningless or less valuable. It is still clearly love, there’s still devotion.
What’s more, both Sylvie and Mobius understand how important it is for Loki to have that connection with the other. They don’t communicate directly that much though, and it’s really a shame.
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That’s how Sylvie lashes out on Mobius and he is puzzled and upset by it. Probably she knows about his life, so she points out that protecting the timelines is not personal enough for him. She’s right though; maybe not so much about Mobius but about the TVA on the whole. Btw Loki is being part of it right now and he behaves the same way as Mobius. It’s just that Mobius is the one who is used to light things up. The moment isn’t right though, and he doesn’t read the room.
But the thing is, because it’s not personal, he’s able to stay afloat, be there in the moment and not be distracted by something out there. Mobius is aware that he might be weakened by what he sees and doesn’t want to risk the entire operation because of that. (Maybe he’s wrong and if Sylvie shows him his life he’ll be able to stay put like B-15, but again, he doesn’t want to risk)
I think that both connections being equally meaningful to Loki will make his further choices difficult and the consequences heavy. Mobius’s and Sylvie’s, and Loki’s lives could depend on that. Just imagine if he’s made to choose between them, to sacrifice one for the other. Or to experience all this love, remember all of it and look at them and see they don’t recognise him anymore on any timeline. Or have to choose to never be in their lives to save them both or hide them both from Kang.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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The dichotomy of order and chaos is so bright and in your face this season.
Loki and Sylvie
Mobius and Loki
Ravonna and Sylvie
Casey and OB
OB and Loki + Mobius
Brad and Loki (1st interrogation)
Loki and Mobius (1st interrogation)
Loki and Brad (2nd interrogation)
Perceived Timely and actual Timely
The TVA inside and the Temporal loom that sustains it
The Chronobays and Repairs and Advancements
The pie room and the corridor that leads to it
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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I really loved the title of the latest episode, so without further ado let's dive into science and fiction of the TVA. This is all so interesting.
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The Loom exploded, apparently annihilating a bunch of timelines that were going through it. And after that went to a fail safe mode, restored and continued to weave like before: see the spinning input ring:
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The same ring was moving slow in s2e1:
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and completely stuck before the meltdown in s2e4:
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Its explosion reset people at the TVA to respective branched timelines. I'm not sure 'the nexus event' is even a thing anymore, but Loki appearing to every one of them could be considered a nexus event if they existed on the Sacred timeline
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Quick note before I forget. Time doors and time cubes are of the same nature. I guess if you were somehow to be stuck inside a time door you'd be squished. Another interesting duality of how to use the same tech: to traverse spacetime or to torture and violently kill.
Time cubes are old and have scratchy look, just like the first timedoors OB managed to open. Modern time doors look polished. Probably the old tech was repurposed into torturing devices by Miss Minutes someone else.
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AC/DC AD/OB's 'lab':
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Is this room safe? For the wormhole or the quantum...? This hole area is totally abandoned. No one's around for miles
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OB, area being abandoned doesn't mean it's safe for any wormholes, especially for any people near it. Not even sure about whatever quantum stuff is going on.
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But the building isn't random, the room is the same, just repainted. There's even the same chequered pattern on the floor though really faded. Is the TVA on Earth in a time bubble? The Loom has to be on the same level as R&A, so the TVA founders would expand around that abandoned building.
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Which would mean that the infinite city around the TVA is an illusion. Or a side effect of the TVA being in some sort of a time bubble.
The question remains of how the Loom fits in with all of it. We've seen it exist suspended in, again, a seemingly infinite space. Let's say, its very construction can attract and visualise the raw time-matter (I'm still in denial of time being a matter, no matter how much I sciencefiction it in my head). When you look closely you see that timeline threads take shape the closer they are to the input ring of the Loom. But where do the weaved output timelines go? Do they go around, surrounding the TVA in a circle? And then inevitably branch, become formless and chaotic and have to be weaved back again?
Let's imagine that the TVA sits in the centre of time which flows around it and being recycled and reordered so the timelines co-exist without damaging each other. The Loom powers the TVA, and since past, present and future exist all the time, it's a life-long power source, Timely's dream.
That would explain how HWR sits in a castle in the centre of a manufactured, isolated Sacred timeline. His tempad isn't of TVA design. Was he inspired or did he just invade the TVA and steal their concepts and ideas? (Despite being himself involved with the creation of the Loom) Repurposed time doors into time cubes. Reshaped a multiverse protecting team of people into a purely bureaucratic time police.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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Interesting thing about repetitiveness. The Loom isn't suited for that many new time branches, this idea has been put out there in episode 1 and has been repeated in every episode, sometimes more than once. Here are all the instances this has been mentioned:
s2e1:
The branching is overloading the Temporal Loom
It's not constructed to weave together so many new branches
I need to close the blast doors to protect the TVA, while I figure out how to retrofit it to handle all those branches
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The Loom is in rough shape. But I'm trying to figure out a retrofit device to handle all those new branches
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We can't get in there and increase the diameter of the Loom's intake ring enough to boost throughput and clear that knot of unrefined time
We need to scale the Loom's capacity to manage all those new branches, otherwise it will fail
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The rings of the Loom aren't wide enough... We need to make the rings bigger, so more branches can fit through
I appreciate OB's (and Casey's) thoroughness and patience with all the non-tech people around him for explaining the same thing over and over again. At first I though it to be rather strange, 'cause information is usually given for viewers to have a proper picture.
But the season isn't just about time loops, it's about repetitiveness itself. They repeat the same things but it's different every time. For the characters the repetition helps with learning. Even Sylvie recognises this in ep3, 'This is all very familiar, isn't it?' And it happens pretty often.
To viewers it shows how different the context might be. Loki uses the time cube to play a bad cop with Brad, but Miss Minutes uses the same tech to violently kill many people. Loki's conversation with Mobius and the other with Sylvie in the same pie room feature different dynamics and body language but both start out about Mobius.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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Such a shame that Timely doesn't go into details about his little device. There can be two options: it either interacts with the Throughput Multiplier and makes it work faster, or with the Temporal Loom in which case it has to somehow maintain the quickly increasing temporal decay, or entropy
But tbh beyond this everything is pure speculation, and for now Timely's device is just a convenient thing to fix the Loom and be done with it. I hope they get into more pseudoscientific explanations though, I unironically love those
What's interesting though is how the raw time combines characteristics of many different things: it has temporal radiation (meaning it emanates energy), it is prone to entropy (in this case going from a state of order to a state of disorder). And the Loom implodes (?) much like a star going through a gravitational collapse and then explodes. Fascinating!
The explosion is asymmetrical, meaning it's more likely to be of a disc shape than of a ball. A similar flat explosion of a cosmic object was discovered by astronomers: a fast blue optical transient (FBOT); they're also called 'the cows'. The nature of such en explosion is still not clear, and it's a fairly recent discovery. Also, look how this raw time-matter is warped and seems to be being pulled into the implosion/explosion. And also consider the distance from the gangway (and the TVA) and the Loom. It's quite far away actually, meaning that whatever is happening is unimaginably powerful.
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OR, like many people theorised this might be happening in the quantum realm, meaning that the 'not to scale' model can be in fact used as an actual device. OB's model and Timely's prototype are of similar size, and I'm starting to not longer believe in coincidences.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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Small addition to this post
Everything is happening inside this part of the building. We've seen that it's pretty spacious. But the lower part is big, maybe even big enough to fit in a huge time weaving loom.
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It looks like an abandoned power plant although it lacks some distinctive features. Maybe it was abandoned mid-construction because of budget cuts that happened in 1990s.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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Well, Victor Timely sure knows how to draw attention and eventually make some money. And make me write another post on a partially scientific topic. I’m not an expert tho!
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On the right side of the stage there's a sign, 'Electrifying achievement to harness the power of time'
And then he explains what the Loom does. 'My temporal loom inverts the temporal decay of the electricity flowing through it, lowering its entropy and gathering it into fine threads of power. Which it then weaves into elegant ropes of voltage. A chaos of particles is transformed into order.'
(I'm gonna assume he quotes OB's guidebook and not just wings it all randomly, because at least a part of what he says made sense to me)
In short, he says that the Loom can arrange matter into an ordered state. And that it not only uses electricity but also reproduces it in a form of threads and ropes. That would explain how the TVA operates outside of uh time and why it has power surges in s2e1. But it still leaves the question from where comes the initial energy to kick start the loom.
I believe that the temporal decay is synonimous to the increasing entropy. Entropy is a measure of how many ways there are possible to rearrange the same amount of matter without changing its 'shape'. Simply put, objects with low entropy can't be rearranged without being broken/reassembled. And those with high entropy can be rearranged without changing its form or shape, so to speak. Prof. Brian Cox compares the former with a sand castle and the latter with a pile of sand 👌 Another important point is that entropy inevitably increases over time: order becomes disorder. BUT. If we go back in time — and not like in Doctor who but like in Tenet — then we would observe entropy again, increasing relative to us (and not decreasing if we observe it from the present into the past).
Now, I think that raw time, as OB named it, is energy with high entropy and a physical timeline is rearranged energy with low entropy. When a timeline branches, entropy increases again. Also, temporal radiation means a form of energy that travels from a source through space.
(Side note. My initial guess was: to isolate a timeline HWR would need to have something threaded. Which would mean that the Loom came first. But when the timeline branches it creates more input INTO the Loom. And what’s more, in the end of s1 the Sacred timeline branches into a web which resembles the raw time. Just like Timely said, ‘the energy of the past, present and future flows all around us.’ And HWR managed to harness it to sustain his big project. So, raw time/sacred/other timelines exist as they are, and the Loom is just a tool to operate the former)
(Side note 2. The Sacred timeline doesn’t consist of just one universe. It’s weaved from multiple but strictly selected multiversal timelines. Otherwise we’d see minutemen in previous movies)
I can accept temporal auras which can help track and pull someone across space-time. Or temporal radiation, which is itself a fun concept. But what puzzles me the most is time being a form of matter. In our reality, at least according to the current physics, it’s a dimension. I can’t wrap my head around it. Even in a fictional way, i can’t explain it to myself. Because I experience time the same way people do in the show. I think here Timely either simplifies so to make people understand and buy his Loom or he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
And that’s why, until proven otherwise or explained by OB, I think that the Loom is first of all just a big power generator. The timelines are being pruned manually by time cops setting time bombs and arresting variants. Resetting a timeline means removing entropy that was created by a variant’s actions. The Loom generates energy for the TVA, people working there and their equipment. And maybe it charges Kang’s time chair.
The multiverse doesn’t need the Loom to function. Time flows on its own, entropy increases all the time, it’s far more inevitable than Thanos. Loom is a tool, it can be removed, repaired or upscaled. The TVA as organisation and people and city (?) all need it but, most of all, the person behind it.
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loki-who-remains · 7 months
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Disclaimer: A rather lengthy ramble about quantum mechanics, Kangs and Loki meta which ends with how special Lokis are. Mostly for myself because I’m obsessed with real and fictional laws of time and space but struggle to understand some things
There’s Feynman’s sum-over-paths description of quantum mechanics. In normal Newtonian way you just calculate and take the shortest path from A to B, simple. But in Feynman’s you take into account ALL of the paths including the ones that occasionally bring you to your neighbours or Mars or even back in time. You add up all the paths, even the most crazy ones and then you have the probability of getting from A to B. It just so happens that the shortest path has the biggest probability. But it also means that all the crazy things can exist too, however low is their probability.
Basically, it’s hard to imagine there are only evil Kangs. There should be a couple of pure-of-heart ones as well as a small bunch of HWR-scientists who took their experiments too far. Although HWR mentioned that Sacred timeline is the only possible way for him to stop the Multiversal war (which actually mirrors Dr Strange’s prediction about Thanos which is unnecessarily dramatic and a bit weird to me because of sum-over-paths), there is a possibility he didn’t meet those variants of him who stopped their research or hid or changed names or temporal aura (if possible) or uploaded their minds into an android so they wouldn’t be extracted via Temporal Loom.
Back to Feynman’s logic. If it’s the whole universe that makes its path from A to B then there is ours which may or may not be the most probable, and others like ours or different or crazy. Combined, they are the Multiverse.
So could there be other TVAs? The TVA city (?) looks very much like Chronopolis from Quatumania. Give Kang enough time, he’ll build you an infinite folded city structure outside of time and space. Call today and get a discount! So there are already two separate empire-like establishments.
I think there’s one thing that I struggle with in regard of MCU: where is the line between timelines and multiverse? People who belong to the same universe but exist on different timelines are variants of the same person making a different choice at some point in time (Loki who went to Asgard and continued in Dark World and Loki who fled with the tesseract.) This actually coincides with how quantum probability would work in our universe if we could observe it. People who belong to entirely different universes are also variants, but they can make same choices and have similar experiences like Sylvie, Lokis is the void and Spider-peeps. And this is the quantum probability of how could Multiverse exist (still, if we could observe it)
I understand why TVA would prune the branches of universe 616, it’s the base for the Sacred timeline. But why would it bother with multiversal variants? Classic, Kid and President could be probable past and future Loki, but Sylvie, Boastful Loki and CrocoLoki are not the variants of the universe 616.
So, does it mean that somewhere out there, beyond universe 616, there might be a Kang who also isolated a timeline in his universe, and created another TVA?
Will tackling the mess in the TVA/its destruction actually solve the problem? Or make Loki and Co travel around multiverse and do the same thing again and again with all other existing TVAs?
Was Brad telling the truth about Lokis being the actual problem? Kinda contradicts his other statement, ‘you think you’re special, but you’re not’, because if Lokis bring so much chaos that all of them have to follow a straight path or be pruned, they are very special.
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loki-who-remains · 7 months
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Not a hate post, but a bit of a rant on s2e2 pacing and subsequently on e1
I’ve seen a lot of confusion about characters motivations and their reasoning, and I wished the show made some things a bit more evident and relatable
It’s a bit oppenheimery: Dox and zealots nuke the timelines but Loki and co watch it on the monitor. You have to know that it’s the ultimate form of bad. Bombing is easy for Dox because she doesn’t have to look pruned people in the eye, it probably has no weight on her, but I think we’ll see more of her next week.
But the thing is, everybody knows what happened behind the screen in Oppenheimer. It’s history, we’ve seen pictures and read or watched interviews with the survivors. Same goes for any war or catastrophe that’s happening now: we feed and renew our knowledge of bad by watching or reading news. The victims remain unknown to us, but their faces, their stories, pictures of chaos and ruin make us relate to that; it could have happened to the ones we love, to us.
The viewers don’t have experience with timelines or pruning of ones, though. The creators of the show can’t expect them to quickly follow the idea and empathise with characters in the end of the episode. To relate and to feel characters despair they need to see whatever B-15 saw in her memories, they need some down-to-earth, ordinary scenes with focus on people doing whatever the viewers do on a daily basis. Like with Sylvie and Jack. Or a bit more of Brad’s chatting with people in the hall of that cinema.
It’s a good episode overall but it could spend just a minute to show ordinary lives in a clever cinematic way, and become a great one. Because the message is there, and it’s all very beautifully done. But unfortunately, unless we’re having a temporal/multiversal war of our own, the chances are people gonna scratch their heads not sure how to react.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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If what’s happening is indeed a time loop… I just realised that OB has his memories intact solely due to the fact that Timely/future HWR would NEED an engineer who is able to fix the Loom. That same engineer would later write a guidebook for the next TVA.
And the blast doors are aura-locked so that the TVA will HAVE to pull an HWR variant to open them to alter/do maintenance on the Loom. Miss Minutes apparently was neglected from the planning but I don’t think she would play along and open the doors anyway. No one or nothing really threatens her, for now
Another theory, but sad. People like Mobius got their memories erased, and so forgot about OB. But HWR forgot on his own, forgot that he has this genius engineer in the basement, just like he (probably) neglected Miss Minutes
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loki-who-remains · 7 months
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It’s hard to judge a big story with smartly placed cliffhangers by just one episode. But the first thing you see is usually crucial for time loops!
Episode 1 title is ‘Ouroboros’. It’s the name of an important charming character but also a mythological snake biting its own tail. It continuously devouring itself represents the cycle of life and death and ‘eternal cyclic renewal’. Snakes also shed old skin several times during their lives. The whole ouroborosity of the TVA was the plot of season 1.
I’ve seen a couple of articles where Kevin Wright mentions time loops, and it’s obvious that someone pruned Loki so he survives and proceeds on his path.
Now, in some shots from multiple trailers and teasers we see two Lokis in the same space. Also, Loki’s time slipping issue isn’t fixed yet cause he’s gonna be pulled to that jet ski selling centre. And there were a bunch of shots where both him, Sylvie and a s1 freshly captured Loki are seen in spaghettified environment. And also that shot where Loki walks towards Temporal Loom without the protective gear? Looks epic but also heartbreaking.
Will this particular tva variant Loki have to sacrifice himself to save all other variants of him? Will he do that? Why is something that can’t happen in TVA actually is happening specifically to him? No one else is time slipping.
My wild guess would be: he is time slipping because somewhere on the timeline he needs to make a critical decision that would determine the outcome and the future. But just as in schroedinger’s cat experiment, the box hasn’t been opened yet
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loki-who-remains · 7 months
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A couple of curios things I noticed
The Chronos clock
In Loom room there's some sort of clock in the ceiling. Visible are numbers 0, 972 and 858. There are several clock hands
In the credits there's a shot of the same clock. It says Chronos per hour
In the credits there's a record on a record player (most probably from the room where Sylvie listens to music (?) that we've seen in teasers. That record has the same numbers as the clock and actually features the full sequence of them: 0 46 121 215 330 513 616 704 814 858 972
Don't wanna speculate really, but apparently TVA measures timelines which go through the Loom in chronos units (?)
The Loom Timer
The timer that synced to the Loom Extractor also has numbers 0 1 2 3. It's dial is split into red and green zones with 1 being in green, 3 in red, and 0 and 2 on the edge of both. It says Automatic
Schroedinger's Equation
There's an equation pinned to a board, again seen in the credits. (There are three real things afais, the other two being a parabola graph and another bunch of equations, both illegible to me.) What's more, it's this exact picture:
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I'm not gonna pretend I understand this kind of physics very well, so here's a more or less comprehensible summary of what it is:
It was Schrödinger’s equation that enabled physicists to calculate how so-called quantum probability waves move
Schrödinger’s equation showed where the electron clouds would find their minimum energy, and on those clouds depended all that was solid in the world
Yet paradoxically [...] the Schrödinger equation, which governs the way that wave functions change over time, does not involve probabilities.  It is just as deterministic as Newton’s equations of motion and gravitation. “That is, given the wave function at any moment, the Schrödinger equation will tell you precisely what the wave function will be at any future time. There is not even the possibility of chaos, the extreme sensitivity to initial conditions that is possible in Newtonian mechanics.
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loki-who-remains · 7 months
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Although this shot from the s2 credits is veeeeery interesting I’m not gonna try and decipher all of it just now, and instead I wanna think about those post-its that might refer to Scarlet Witch and nexus beings + probability. I mentioned in another post how by quantum rules everything is possible but has different probability value, and if events in separate universes happen in a similar way it’s because that path is the most probable (not because it is determined or has to be so).
It is said that the whole deal of nexus beings is the ability to affect their reality simply by existing, they don’t even need any superpowers. It is safe to assume that nexus beings affect and alter the probability of different paths, and those that in a baseline universe (let’s say, ours) have lower probability now have a greater chance of happening.
What’s more, Wanda wields chaos magic. Another person tightly associated with chaos is Loki. Is he a nexus being? Well, at least not in the comics. But Kang the Conqueror is.
Is there a way for HWR to account for probabilities altered by a nexus being? I would guess so, but even his predictions have limitations. In the end of s1 he mentions a threshold beyond which he doesn’t know what happens anymore. Although I think that WandaVision and Loki s1 finales seem to be in sync is a coincidence, HWR could be still referring to a certain nexus being altering the probabilities. One wiki that I’ve found states that nexus beings are connected emphatically with each other, and if something happens to one of them, others may feel that. Still, HWR and Conqueror are not the same Kang
Another thing about HWR. So there’s that threshold. He doesn’t know what happens but he still somehow knows that Kangs gonna kang like rabbits. And he tells Sylvie, ‘I’ll see you soon’. But before that he expresses surprise about two Lokis. But still he has the transcript of what both of them say, where Loki and Sylvie are mentioned by their variant number and HWR is simply ’me’. And also, ‘…or you plunge a blade through my chest and an infinite amount of me start another Multiversal War. And I just end up right here anyways. Reincarnation, baby.’ What is his relationship with time exactly?
Season 2 is about time loops, but I think the bigger time loop of MCU is unfortunately gonna be isolating the Sacred timeline again and having HWR or another Kang or another person entirely maintaining as it was before.
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loki-who-remains · 6 months
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Mobius is a mirror, metaphorical version of a father. Odin, to be precise.
He isn’t an A level parent: sons call him at work and he won’t come to the phone. He loves them but they’re often left to their own devices. One of his sons is a troublemaker and the other is sent after to watch over him. Meanwhile the parent is preoccupied with higher matters like saving all of time and existence. Still, he’s loving, kind and soft. And he’s wise but doesn’t lack compassion because of his wisdom.
Sylvie is a metaphorical version of a sibling. (It’s a metaphor, they’re not siblings and selfcest doesn’t exist)
She’s a partner in crime, fun to be around, cool older sibling who shows you something your parents would totally not approve. You bond a lot and feel same minded until she shows you that fun times are over and she has an adult life now.
It’s really interesting that Loki is drawn towards precisely these two. He recognises something familiar in them, and while that turns out to be true he discovers something unexpected and new
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