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sillysunshinesstuff · 1 year

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Need vs. Want in TLOU

Ok I can’t get over this specific scene because it perfectly sets up Ellie and Joel before we even have an inkling of their relationship.

It’s during the breakfast scene with Sarah where Tommy walks in and says to Joel “You're still alive. You old fucker.” and Sarah responds, “Aw. He loves you.”

Joel’s answer to this captures his personal definition of love which is significant because it aligns with Ellie’s. He says, “He’s dependent on me. Not the same.” This. This.

Sarah then responds with “I think it’s the same.” And Tommy, “It’s definitely the same.”

But to Joel, it’s not. To Joel, love is not about being dependent on someone. It’s more than that to him. It’s about choice and want which can easily be confused with need. Sarah is a need. She is his biological daughter. He needs her to be safe. He needs her to live. Their base relationship is one of dependence. This is not to say it cheapens its significance or her profound impact, but Joel never had a choice when it came to loving Sarah. He just did.

Ellie is not dependent on Joel. Yes he protects her and is guiding her through this journey, but she doesn’t need him. She has proven time and time again that she is self-sufficient and can absolutely take care of herself. In fact, she takes care of him too. She has saved his ass so many times that he doesn’t get to say she needs him. She doesn’t need him. But she wants him.

When it came to choosing between Tommy and Joel for the rest of the journey in episode 6, she immediately, without hesitation, chose Joel. The smart choice would have been Tommy. He’s younger, can actually hear, and hasn’t failed her yet. Joel hasn’t failed her per say but he hasn’t lived up to the impossible standards he set for himself and she knows this. If she was choosing based on “need” she would have chosen Tommy. But Ellie chose based off of love, something she has been deprived of all her life. All Ellie knows is need. Just this once, she wants to choose love and she did.

And connecting this to the podcast, “That there’s a thread between them that is more than just “I used to have a kid and you’re also a kid.” There’s something else. That there’s the connection already between Joel and Ellie that is different from his connection with his own daughter. And perhaps potentially stronger, and certainly, potentially more dangerous.”

THIS. God I wish I was more articulate but this is the essence of Ellie and Joel. Their relationship is stronger because it is based on want. Ellie wants Joel, not just because he is a protector, but because he is Joel. She understands him and loves who he is. Joel wants Ellie, not because he is missing Sarah, but because she is Ellie. Ellie is not a replacement for Sarah. She isn’t an understudy or a second choice because he can’t have Sarah as his daughter. He wants Ellie because he sees who she is and can’t help but love her.

They both see each other, not just as father and daughter, but as people as well. The scene where Joel is beating a FEDRA soldier to death in the first episode and Joel turns around expecting to see the same horror he saw on Sarah’s face, but instead seeing a kid who is completely enraptured by this terrifying show of violence is testament to this. She looked directly into the depths of his darkness and saw her own. They don’t shy away from the bad shit to keep up pretenses.

Inferring a bit, but Sarah might have shied away from who her dad would become to keep her alive if she had survived. She might not have wanted him anymore, similar to how Tommy didn’t want Joel anymore (choosing to stay in Jackson and cutting off all contact) when he saw how low he was willing to go to keep the ones he loves alive. Both Tommy and Sarah were dependent on Joel, and to them, that was love.

Furthering this a bit, it also illuminates why Ellie and Joel are the focus, and not Sarah and Joel. Though both absolutely beautiful and important relationships, even the showrunners argue that Joel and Ellie have a stronger connection. They choose to have this connection which aligns with how they define love. And because this connection is stronger, it incites danger in a way that you’re unable to look away from. If the show had been about a dad on a journey with his biological kid, it simply wouldn’t have the same impact because we’d be like “Oh, of course he would do that for her. Of course he’d torture, maim, and kill. That’s his daughter.” Instead of “Oh, he’s choosing to torture, maim, and kill for her. That’s not his kid and he’s doing it anyway.”

Their relationship is potentially more dangerous, as we will see in the last episode and next season, and this is a choice. Love is a choice and they have already made it.

#these two make me insane #also #this is not bash on sarah or say her relationship wasnt important #it was EXTREMELY important #its different tho #and i like that there is emphasis on this #the last of us #tlou #joel miller #ellie tlou #fathers and daughters

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angelpuns · 11 months

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I'm supposed to be asleep but I'm thinking thoughts and this is all it has culminated as:

POV you're me trying to logic/reason away what are probably actual symptoms of a mental health...thing BUT IT ARGUABLY IS ONLY PROVING IT MORE??

#vagueposting again about mental health stuff #idk #i just have a lot overwhelming guilt #and as far as connecting dots #i can see it #it makes sense #but i dont want it to?#its not like a ' i dont wanna have another mental health thing'#its a ' i feel weird about self diagnosing and am hesitant to do so'#SAME THING HAPPENED SITH AUTISM #TOOK ALMOST A YEAR FOR ME TO FINALLY BE LIKE #OKAY YEAH AUTISM LIVES HERE #Its different tho #its so complicated #and i #i cant get help for it rn #i hate hate hate relying on a self diagnosis without someone else to corroborate #i feel bad #i feel guilty #not like im taking resources but like a frahd #fraud #i can spell #tags are so great #no one is gonna read em ;)#if you do im so sorry lmap #im really just #idk like i can connect dots all i want but im always gonna feel guilty and like a fraud #until someone tells me that my fears were right #or worse

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bigfatbreak · 6 months

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What does Tom think of Emilie after meeting her?

the only Agreste he's not massively disappointed with is Adrien himself. It's a good thing that's the only one he plans on sparing.

#my art #long post #dad villain au #emelie agreste #tom dupain cheng #gabriel agreste #nathalie sancoeur #gabriel has memories of being in an almost relationship with nath from the last timeline so he's still weirdly possessive of her #and emelie knows nathalie has a crush on her and has been using that to string her along so she always has an emotional crutch nearby #she does a similar thing to adrien but only because she's built him for it #its different with nath tho. they have history and she likes the rush of superiority she gets #also nath doesn't know that tom is viceroy. she just knows that tom can interpret the butterflies on 'viceroy's' behalf

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carnivalcarriondiscarded · 9 months

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i don't know what this is. the plush has invaded my brain. it has the controls now

#three of us! just three of us! look closely you will see...#dhmis but its the different wall..eys. ies. eyes. walleyes. WHAT IS THE PLURAL #fr tho i need the plush. i need it #thank FUCK there's a 21 day window #otherwise!! i would never have him!! and id be Crushed!!#he needs to be in my arms....#scribble salad #welcome home #honestly though the plush is In My Brain #ive rewatched the ad so many times already...#its endeared me to howdy further. wally as well but thats a given #howdy my beloved....

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z00lea · 2 months

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this close to drawing them kissing

#zoolea art #cotl lamb #cotl narinder #cotl fanart #cotl #narilamb #i know its very similar to that other one i drew #but hey i cant help it if this is kinda it yk #i will be making some different poses soon tho #narinder #lamb #cult of the lamb

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oifaaa · 1 year

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So much respect for which ever mad bastard at dreamworks said fuck it let's actually make a good Puss in Boots movie and not just another pitiful cash grab this kitty deserves better so true

#puss in boots #i cant remember the last dream works movie i enjoyed this much ngl #its been a while #i wasn't expecting puss in boots to be different #i saw some people praising it #but i also saw people praising bad guys #which eh was kinda just fine for me #but puss was actually a good movie #go watch it if you haven't #im a wee bit late to the game tho so most of you probably have lol #oifaaaposts

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wasyago · 9 months

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day 16482 of trying to figure out what color jay's magic is

#jrwi riptide #jay ferin #i just think she's neat 😳#also like. what color is her magic?????? it's green but its also blue but its also possibly fiery yellow??? like. gurl please pick one #blue wings did look better than green or yellow tho so um. yeah.#but for healing and stuff? i swear i remember it being green. and there was this magical green eagle during la alma arc? mannn #it would make sense for it to be green because she learned magic around her mother (probably?) and uh...#i dont know how these facts related but they are.#but also the ferin part of her family all have yellow fire magic? I think?#but she's also *jay* so like. blue.#mhmmhmhmhmmhmh #i suppoooose it can be all the different colorsss but like.... the consistency....#sigh #my art #sketch

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luzho · 11 months

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the zukka puns... continue!!

originally a bad joke by jeff, with the scenery of the first panel based on the Jianbi pavilion in the Old Summer Palace in Beijing and the pose of the second panel based on this photo. i am very happy with how the perspective and the colors turned out :) i should make more architectural drawings for fun

#my art #zukka #almost a year after the original zukka pun comic... 12k notes! wow!!! i like thinking i am one of the Silly Guys in zukka nation:•)#i DID wanted to do something different with the colors in this one! not sure if its particularly... well... different BUT HEY THIS IS FUN!!#i showed some friends this comic before dialogues were written and they thought the punchline was about the fish-like face sokka is making #ANYWAY!!! here's an idea: pun proposal!! gotta research how to make it silly first tho...#zukka nation #puns #zukka fanart #okay wait MAYBE i should attempt spiderverse style portraits of them... okay that was the actual last one byeee:D #zukka puns

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solargeist · 26 days

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screencap redraw

#dont think abt the implications #my art #ariana griande #hermitcraft #hc #sketching #(tho its a good time for me to say i see grian and griande as two different people !)

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batmecha · 2 months

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NO WAY

also extra v1 v2 vocaloid cosplay doodle under the cut :3

how

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galaxystt · 5 months

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We've GOT to see a colored version of that one Scar & Pizza sketch.. (if you don't mind)

BOOM lined and colored scar pizza combo, with a side of grian :D ((they sound like a terrible food order, but honestly that fits the vibe they're awful <3 /pos))