#I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs

[notedchampagne]

Honestly i also think that a lot of the romanticization of Ianthe vs infantilization/fear mongering of harrowhark is also that like... We don't really get to see Ianthe suffer the nastier parts of shit mental health. Like, we know she cries to sleep, for like a line or two, but we're not pressed against her intimacies and the inside of her head (hehehe pun intended) like we are with harrow.

It's easy to infantilize Harrowhark because we get to see her struggling, we get to see the thought processes that lead to her lashing out, we get to see her suffering through. Well, basically everything, more than we see her putting on the dignity, and even when we do, we generally get to see the lead up, or we are with someone who responds in kind (thanks gideon).

With Ianthe we basically *only* get the facade, even when the Issues Are Blatant, and even if when she lashes out she does her utmost best to seem in control, much like harrow. The other characters do Not Give A Shit, so neither do we, as readers, feel naturally inclined to it.

Plus like. I might be reaching, but sometimes i feel like tlt fandom needs a character to be "pathetic", or to suffer, in order to... Idk how to word this bc englishs not my first language, but essentially pay penance? In the fandom I see a lot of people who feel Uncomfortable recalling their fave did bad shit, and like, needing to either justify it for themselves or others by going "oh look how she suffers", essentially infantilizing their characters so they don't have to acknowledge the worst edges, which is a choice, I guess. They not only do this with Harrowhark, but also with Gideon, Pyrrha, Mercymorn, etc.

They also do the opposite, by rejecting the possibility of suffering for characters they consider evil, most notably with John. It's not possible for them to be over their heads, or for them to have made a mistake. Either they were deliberately planning it, or they deserved it somehow, or their actions *later* meant they retroactively deserved it, and may be pointed as the cause for it happening.

Which is... Uncomfortable, to say the least, even if I'm only latine.

anyways. TDLR: People should just say they look really fucking cool dripping with blood and determined. At this point ill even take an I support women's wrongs/woman's right to murder or whatever

Sorry for going in a tangent on your askbox or of this doesnt make sense its like nearly two am and i cant sleep

this is very real and leans into what ive observed in fandom as well! tlt is a house party full of morally gray characters but i feel like when we are panicked to discuss someone being "evil" or otherwise the two closest avenues are infantilization/reduction (i can fix him, theyre pathetic they cant do anything right im protecting them) or full villainy (i like them Because theyre evil, irredeemable, they deserved it so i dont care)

hope you sleep soon

#talking back

[olderthannetfic]

https://www.tumblr.com/olderthannetfic/748370073567313920/i-think-for-me-one-of-the-big-stumbling-blocks-i

I agree with the points in replies that it’s the pushy loli guys’ behavior that marks them as creepy and you’ll never know the people who are quiet about it, because they are not creepy and show that by respecting people’s boundaries.

But idk… people in the reblogs are insisting that there’s never any relationship between the fiction you like and your IRL fetishes and, cmon. Can we all agree that that’s oversimplified in the opposite direction? Some people do choose particular media because it gets them off. And there’s def anime that wouldn’t appeal to you unless you’re specifically into the idea of fucking lolis being a-ok. It’s different from media that has other features and that’s one element of it, or it’s specifically about that it’s an unrealistic fantasy,

I think the conversation isn’t helped when we act like admitting that means you support censorship or think things should be banned, or support anti style harassment. I mean there’s a difference between the kind of thing anon is talking about with privately judging people, looking out for red flags, deciding privately that you don’t want to hang out with people who are into certain things, vs. harassment campaigns and callouts and trying to get people fired like antis do.

Fiction rarely has an exact 1:1 relationship with what you are into IRL… but it’s also not completely UNrelated all the time, either. Especially when talking about porn. And by telling people it’s ever wrong to even privately judge people for those preferences you ARE in fact discouraging people noticing red flags and also just forcing them to deny their lived experiences.

….is what I think anon was trying to say anyway.

I don’t think erasing all nuance really helps anything but deliver people who’ve had experiences like anon’s into the hands of antis. Like there needs to be a safe space for people especially women and LGBTQ+ people who’ve dealt with abusers and creeps who used media as a part of their abuse, to talk about their experiences without being shouted down for not having the “right” rhetoric.

I think part of why antis are a problem is a lot of people aren’t finding much other room to talk about that. Anti spaces are the only ones that seem to acknowledge that. Like I think anime fandom especially younger spaces really have an anti problem because anime fandom more broadly has such a big creepy dude problem and, even if not every single person who likes loli/shota/etc. is a creep, it’s hard not to notice that the friendlier an anime fan space is to discussing that stuff or discussing rapey slavery isekai or whatever, the more it draws in higher numbers of creeps. You can be a non creep and like that stuff, but it does have an overall higher percentage of creeps who like it than, say, your average shounen action show and let’s not pretend we don’t understand why.

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[non-fantasy]

!!!!! tell me!!

OKAY SO

i couldn't sleep until 1:30 am for unimportant reasons but . at 1:30 am, i was suddenly haunted by a question, right. there are these events in tokimeki memorial girls side 3 and 4 called ADV events, where you get to see a short story from the point of view of one of the main love interests. but like. why the hell was it called adv. is it an acronym for something? what does it mean

so at 1:30 in the morning, i went to look up what tokimeki memorial girls side adv means

i do not receive an answer from search engines

instead, somehow, google heard me ask "tokimeki memorial girls side adv meaning" and gave me THIS.

it's insane, right. it's really insane. this is a 27 page essay claiming that tokimeki memorial girls side (2002), beloved romance simulator, is responsible for teaching girls to view themselves in terms of real-life stats, that rejection from anime guys will give gamers self-esteem issues, and how to view yourself through the male gaze to win love.

i look at this 27 page paper and pass out for the next 5 hours, because it is 1:30 am.

BUT. when i wake up. i am READING. i liveblogged it all to my friend in discord dms (HI @nenestansunsthings) and here are. some INCREDIBLE highlights

"the game teaches you that men expect women to change their clothes from time to time"

the author has cited japanese 123 website, livejournal, and tumblr

"japanese players are more receptive to the series' lessons on femininity than overseas players because of the constant affirmations of the japanese cultural setting" the daily affirmations of being in japan

"players are encouraged to save before making choices and reload if they do not satisfy the object of their affections, teaching women to discard their desires and preferences to please men" HAVE YOU NOT PLAYED A VIDEO GAME BEFORE?!

the author can't make up their mind over whether the game has 7 or 9 love interests

they are basing their analysis on the first game specifically but they bring up the second and third game if it supports their point. but information from the second and third games is ignored if it undermines their point

example 1: they complain about rivals mode portraying women as jealous and willing to throw away their friendships for the sake of a man's love, ignoring that game 2 allows you to calmly talk things out with your friend and game 3 entirely does away with girls being rivals entirely, the game 3 girls are always on your side 100%

example 2: they bring up tumblr posts of fans talking about how they'd date the girls to point out how heteronormative the games are. they are talking about the first game. the tumblr posts are talking about a girl from the third game

weird racism

"this game MAY cause players to develop self-worth issues" "this game MIGHT cause players to see themselves in real-life stats" THESE WORDS ARE DOING A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING.....

the author is WRONG???? ABOUT THE GAME MECHANICS????

they claim that a guy rejected their invitation for a date because they weren't smart enough but once they were smart enough they launched themselves into a monologue about how this is PROBABLY a guy wanting a girl who is smart enough not to embarrass him but not smart enough to surpass him

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. IT'S RNG. THERE'S NO MINIMUM STAT REQUIREMENT TO ASK SOMEONE OUT HE JUST FLIPPED A COIN AND SAID NO

out of the four love interests they mention by name in this, THREE OF THEM HAVE THEIR NAME SPELLED WRONG

look at this fucking bibliography

they have cited, in order.

a shitpost

someone's entire blog

and all of tumblr's search results for tokimeki memorial girls side 3.

which is not even the game they're talking about.

[sentientsliotar]

the face of a woman about to commit war crimes

you cannot tell me she hasn’t scared Alastor before

#hazbin hotel niffty #niffty #niffty hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel #Hazbin hotel Angel dust #Hazbin hotel husk #hazbin hotel sir pentious #Hazbin hotel trailer #I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs

[bailiesartblog]

“I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella—and I have never known defeat”

#Malenia #malenia blade of miquella #elden ring #Rot goddess #malenia my beloved #illustration #I support women’s rights AND women’s wrongs #but she’s never done anything wrong ever #and she deserved better

[sad-emo-dip-dye]

Forget the skk crotch scene, my new favorite Dead Apple moment is when Akutagawa refers to Rashoumon as ‘her’ and then it immediately cuts to hips and a snatched waist

#I watched dead apple AGAIN at like 3 am this morning #but yeah exactly that’s a girl #she didn’t have to pop off like that #i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #this is in the sub btw #bsd #bsd dead apple #bsd akutagawa #bungo stray dogs #skk

[imso-fucking-tired]

Whatever these two did to get arrested, no they didn’t and they deserve to be free <3

#qsmp #niki nihachu #riversgg #on the QSMP #more women on the QSMP!!!!! #I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #AAAAAAAAA #I’m so excited and they’re both already so accepted by the community

[schrodingersjigsaw]

“House will do Wilson before you’ll do Chase” Foreman I hate to break this to you but that is NOT a strong argument for Chase and Cameron not fucking 😭😭

#house literally frothing at the mouth every time Wilson is around #also this whole arc is so ??? #Cameron you are insane #i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #house md #s03e16

[bathroom-sand]

we’re gonna be seeing cameron the rest of the season now. casuals are going to eat this up and hail cam as anything other than an egotistical creep. he’ll at least be top three afp. and predictably he’s still trying to force an all male alliance and still only wants to target women. i’m sick of these men in the house!!! i will not know peace until cam is gone!!!!

#bb25 #i just want the women do to well what can i say #i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #i’m still sideeying matt for quoting andrew tate TWICE!!! #like maybe it’s some weird coincidence and he’s not a fan

[violetthekiller]

Tashi hates Art so bad, she just lies and cheats on him 💀

good for her 🗣️🗣️

#i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #ask

[buneok]

if juno were a stardew npc her disposition would be rude LMAO

i dunno abt wren’s , she’s in the middle of rude and nice. Normal. she has the capability to be mean and will if she thinks it’s justified. mainly if someone’s mean to her first

juno is a bit rude nd sarcastic not in a shane way or a haley way. she’s just That minimum wage employee who entertains u a bit on her break before telling u to gtfo

#i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #juno is the burgerpants of my stardew ocs

[bisexualbuckleyy]

can you imagine being scott mccall and seeing your girlfriend practicing with her sword in a bra and boxer shorts and not just immediately jumping her right then and there??? could not be me. rip to scott mccall but i’m different

#kira could ruin me any time she likes please and thank you #she’s so hot and amazing #also yes i know she was low key evil in this scene but so what??? #i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #teen wolf #kira yukimura #scott mccall #scira

[faustandfurious]

Alicent Hightower should be allowed to murder one (1) whole man every episode

#alicent hightower #house of the dragon #i want to see her go feral i want to see her kill #i want her to girlboss too close to the sun #i support women’s rights and women’s wrongs

[antikris-t]

You’re terrifying I love that in a woman

#shitpost #I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #kris says things #lesbian #queer vibes #also yes this is about karlach hsjdjdnsh

[feminist-cult-following]

insane christians losing their minds and accusing taylor of witchcraft…we’ve never been more back!

anywho long live taysorceress swift!

#taysorceress my beloved #I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs #the tortured poets department #tortured poets department #so tortured #so poetic #ttpd

[luthwhore]

Wonder Woman (2016) #22

by Greg Rucka & Mirka Andolfo

#diana prince #diana of themyscira #wonder woman #veronica cale #dc comics #greg rucka #mirka andolfo #* #i’m in love with veronica cale fyi #i support women’s rights AND women’s wrongs