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trutrustories · 3 years

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Okay, this will be probably long and with many errors (my english isn´t very good) But I saw several posts here on Lokius tag, talking about this ship as result of gay fetish, and about non existing chemistry and how this ship doesn´t make sense etc… And from what I understood there is tagged Lokius because of genuine interest to understand others point of view, so here is mine: I wil try to explain where my frustration comes from, and how I feel about Lokius, Sylkie, AND representation + some other things which I saw here somewhere. But first of all: I like Sylvie, I don´t hate sylkie shipers, and after so many years reading fan fictions, I don´t mind selfcest – I read weirder things. I have some issues with this ship (the mainlythe fact that it isn´t Lokius), but this is not one of them. Also, I am not about to tell anyone, they shouldn´t ship sylkie.Ship whatever. And I LOVED the show as a whole.

I just want to defend my standpoint, that Lokius does make sense, people shipping it does make sense and whether it will happen or not, (I don´t have my hopes very high, and I learned to be very skeptical in this regard ) it is more than just about crack ship, or fetish. I´m honestly blown away that people are still surprised that this ship became a thing :D First of all, let´s look at some romantic story telling and tropes: I mean the way they introduced them in the first two episodes set the tone for all series and how the heck this isn´t romantic? Somehow there are all these romantic tropes existing in a show. They´re just there. Just chilling between Loki and Mobius and large portion of audience can´t even see them. (and some of those tropes were used for Sylki as well, so you could actually see them side by side)

For example: 1) traveling to the apocalypsis 2) breaking law/rules for the other 3) literally changing for the better thanks to the other 4) arguing like old married couple 5) saying secrets, personal things to the other 6) sharing glances, touches, visibly being happy around each other - in case of Loki happier then we´ve ever seen him before 7) being completely themselfs around each other 8) One knowing everything (even the worst) about other and still accepting him completely 9) teasing, being comfortable and domestic around each other 10) one being literally enthusiastic FAN of the other 11) Mobius defending Loki whenever he has a chance 12) Freaking amnesia trope that they pulled of in the end??? (It could be different Mobius, but point is he suddenly doesn´t know him - and Loki knows more, in contrast with the beggining) 13) the jealousy in ep4 14) Misunderstanding - when Mobius thought Loki betrayed him and Loki (thanks to Ravonna) thought Mobius betrayed him... 15) witnessing death of the other and being absolutely broken afterwards 16) The goodbye hug with romantic music in the backround 17) Saving life of the one (even when it means problems for the other ) - like Mobius saved Loki´s ass at least three times when he was trying to stop others from pruning him. 18) sharing deep conversations about meanings of life, freedom and how it would be fun to make some chaos and ride that fucking jet ski!!! 19) Inspiring the other 20) looking for each other (Mobius didn´t believe for a second, that Loki would die in the Void and the way how in the last minutes of the series Loki run through all places they were together when he was looking for Mobius... and I could go on. Point is, even if they are not planning to make Lokius canon, all these things are used on a daily basis to describe romance in media and they are used here. On top of that it´s just very poetic and cute, that this drama queen and powerful god of Asgard who looked down on people would find his match in someone, who is so quiet, ordinary on the first sight, and basically is just human from 90s, who loves jet skis. Mobius can´t even fight. But is highly inteligent and he also happen to be as good manipulator, such as Loki himself. - That´s why they work together so well. Mobius sees right through him and once Loki understands that, he drops his evil persona. Almost nobody expected to ship it for real. But story itself and chemistry between them just made it probably the most exciting duo in the whole MCU. And I mean it genuinely. Third episode, even though it was beautiful and Sophie was great in it (and is literally dipped in bisexual colors), is the least favorite for a reason. And that reason being, there is no interaction between Loki and Mobius whatsoever. Lot´s of people though that series slowed down a bit. Even when in fact there was more action, then when we watched Loki and Mobius working at the TVA.

(and let´s just talk about evil!Mobius narative for a bit and how some people say he is manipulative and toxic for Loki: show itself explore heavy themes and one of them is in Loki´s line: no one bad is ever truly bad and no one good is ever truly good. And as a theme in a fictional world, it is working as it should, for the story. When Loki and Mobius meet, one of them just killed lots of innocent people and destroyed almost whole city. The other one is a part of fascist organization – and in the beginning of the series they both believe what they´re doing is right. They´re both bad, they´re both good, they´re both broken. And they are changing with the help of the other.) From all reactions I watched - and there was many of them, lots of people actually didn´t see dynamic between Loki and Sylvie as romantic in the third episode. So it´s not like Sylvie and Loki had unequivocally love story right from the start.

The only difference is that lots of people won´t see romantic tropes, when it comes to two men in a mainstream show – show that isn´t primarily about relationships and problems that queer people has to face. Because in super hero story and science fiction we have to warn audience, that they´re about to watch two man in love, right? At this point It´s just frustrating really. There were many M/M dynamics that used similar story line, as for example Lucifer, or X-files, or Bone collectors. - But unlike those M/M pairings, no one was making fun of people for shipping main characters in these shows. But when it comes to two men suddenly you´ll see from all corners of the internet: “why can´t it be just platonic?” “There is not enough platonic relationships” “why can´t two man just be friends?” (They can and they almost ALWAYS are) and “if you think there something romantic between them, you´re delusional” “fetishist“ “And for god´s sake just let them be friends, Loki needs a friend more then....” oh wait, but Sylvie is allowed to kiss him. Sylvie doesn´t have to be just friend. (And I must say, that I love Sylvie, I liked most of the interactions between her and Loki and I think she is a great character ((I hope we learn more about her in the future)) it just doesn´t work for me as well as Loki´s dynamic with Mobius. Maybe partly because of chemistry between actors, partly because combination of characters and they´re personality and also because I had two whole episodes to fall in love with the pair before Sylvie was even introduced.)

First of all: people can be friends and then evolve into lovers. Not only it is common romantic trope, but it is also the most realistic one. And those relationships are usually strongest. second: If people want to see Loki in a platonic friendship so desperately, why can´t it be a woman for a change? They were acting like chaotic siblings for most of the episode three anyway. The age gap aspect is also very funny. Owen is only about 12 years older (That is not that much. But I imagine, some people would get uncomfortable. But If it was man and woman, most of them wouldn´t even blinked. But two men, that has to be somehow automatically son and father figure dynamic) And If you want to dive into age of an actual characters, then good luck with that in a series about gods, variants and time travel. Almost nobody cares about age gap between Lucifer and detective Decker, or Bella and Edward. On top of that, it was heavily implied, that Loki slept with older, silver haired guy in Ragnarok, so it´s not like he would have problem with that.

Different standards are projected in a way how we see romantic dynamics between fictional characters depends on what we are used to, how are we perceiving world around us, what we are expecting to see and ALSO, what we would like to see, that much is true. When people are used to make no differences between heterosexual and homosexual pairing, then everything what happens to the characters is measured with the same meter. (Even though I experienced queerbaiting many times (( Once upon a time, Sherlock, Supernatural, Good Omens – the last one hopefully is not the case, but I guess we´ll see)) I also saw lots of lgbt shows like Queer as folks and Sense8.) And when we are not used to see it the same way, well… then it looks basically like that one comment under Castiel´s “I love you” scene on youtube, that said “what a beautiful friendship”.

If we forget about all that chaotic mess behind the scenes (all those articles and contrary messages) What is happening in a show between Loki and Mobius can be objectively considered romantic and what is happening between Loki and Sylvie in a series can be objectively considered platonic (until the kiss) and vice versa. And then to see comments about how absurd it is to even think they have chemistry, and about gay fetish - it´s hard to swallow. I read posts about absurdity of a ship and how there is absolutely nothing that would suggests romance. Well there is, actually. But whether creators are going to work with it or not, that´s something we can only speculate. They already made Loki officially bisexual. So why should it be so absurd to assume, that there is an actual possibility of romantic subplot between Loki and Mobius? Oh right… it´s Disney and Marvel we are talking about.

So on a subject of bisexuality: Bi people can date whoever they want. But It is a little frustrating, when there is so many heterosexual pairings in the mcu and disney but when there is a promise of lgbt character (speaking of endgame) we get one line about date from a man we´ll never see again. And when there is a promise of lgbt representation you can´t even blink during movie, or you´ll miss it (Star wars, Beauty and the beast). And then Loki said “A bit of both, I suspect the same as you”. And I won´t lie, I was happy. And I think creators made biggest step yet with this one line (which is honestly terrible, that “a bit of both” coming from Loki of all people, is the biggest step forward.) But they played it VERY safe. Obviously, both Loki, and Sylvie are bisexuals, and in three episodes, we had Loki flirting with female flight attendant, Sylvie talking about her relationship with POSTMAN and then they fall for each other. So the only thing that suggests they are really as bi as Lamentis 1 is that little sentence, that can be edited out, or easily overheard. It´s the bare minimum. And I think that frustration with how freaking slowly we´re moving into some progress is understandable. From all those great M/M dynamics I talked about, those, that could make great love story, nothing happened, because too many people “don´t mind gays but don´t need to look at them” or are scared for their children. In 2021.

It is not a fetish to wish for a gay love story in superhero movies/series. (But anyway, I don´t think there is anything bad about it. Some men like to watch lesbian porn, some woman like to read gay porn. AO3 wouldn´t be were it is today, without people reading and writing slash :D – but that has little to do with what we actually see on tv)

I´m not delusional. As much, as I love these two characters together, I know how little chance it has. I´m not delusional. I´m just in the future, old and tired, waiting hundreds of years for at least one of my OTP to finaly become a fucking canon.

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meanwhile-on-spn · 3 years

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Meanwhile...

S1 Ep4: Phantom Traveler

Previously on Supernatural: Led Zeppelin Rules!

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“Great.” A young woman grumbled as her music went out. Pulling her iphone out she saw the black screen with a massive empty battery sign in the center, “Dead” she grumbled. Bending in her seat, Anathema Device tried to dig in her carry on, hoping to find her charges. Luckily she found it easily, unfortunately she couldn’t actually find a charging port. Of course this little country hopper plane wouldn't have one, hopefully she could charge her phone before getting on her international flight to the U.K.

Huffing, she flopped back unsure what to do, she could read from Agnes again. She wouldn't be bothered if she did, the person beside her was fast asleep. As she bent over again, she heard the distinct hug of biker boots pound on the slightly hollow cabin floor. Looking up she saw an intense looking guy approach, he looked kind of nauseous. Hopefully he wouldn't stink up the bathroom directly behind her seat, the flight had only just started and she did not want to send the rest of it inhaling vomit.

“Hi.” The man said, talking with the stewardess back there.

“Can I help you with something?” The young woman asked. Whatever the man said, something about an uneasy flyer, as if the pallor on his face didn't give that away, the stewardess responded with the forced politeness all women knew. OH great this guy was trying to one her. Anathema rolled her eyes, even on a flight. Some mine just never knew when to keep to themselves.

Bending forward, Anathema craned her neck trying to see what was happening. The Stewardess was busy trying to prepare her drink cart and the man was just standing there. He had his hands in his pocket throwing these smiles that Anathema was sure many women found charming.

Even though she couldn't make out exactly what was being said, Anathema could tell that the Stewardess would rather this guy leave her alone to do her work. This guy couldn't take the hint though and just kept pestering him with questions.

The conversation seemed to come to an end but the guy just wouldn't leave. Then he mumbled something but she could barely make out what it was. The Stewardess didn't seem to understand either. “I’m Sorry. Did you say something?”

“Cristo? Nothing. Never mind.” Suddenly the man came through the curtain divider, slamming herself back into her seat, Anathema closed just as the strange man left down the aisle again.

“Cristo?” What the... why was this weirdo mumbling Latin? Sitting back, Anathema closed just as the strange man left down the aisle again.

Just as Anathema was finally getting comfortable again she noted the same man was up again. This time he was just slowly walking down the aisle like he was looking for something. In his hand was a massive ipod that he was stupidly sweeping side to side. Good lord, this man must have a few screws loose... or. A tiny terrified voice in her head whispered horrible thoughts. What if he was a threat. What is he planning? What if something was happening to the plane.

That couldn't be though, Agnes would have told her... wouldn't she. Anathema mentally scrolled through every prophecy she could remember. Bits and pieces of thousands of short cantos wheezed by in her mind.

“Excuse me,” Anathema looked up to see the stewardess giving her a polite smile. “ Would you like something to drink?” Even as she asked her eyes kept flitting back to the bizarre man stalking the aisle.

“Oh, no I am okay,” She thanked the woman who stopped her as she meant to walk away, “Actually though, I couldn't help but overhear that man” She pointed to the weirdo at the front end of the plane “talking with you. Are you okay?”

The Stewardess gave a slight put upon sigh but smile anyways. “Yes I am alright. It happens all the time unfortunately.”

“Guy hit on you all the time?”

“Yeah, they get it in their heads that the mile high club is a thing and every hostess wants to sleep with them. You know because all a woman wants to do is have sex while working.” She rolled her eyes and spoke with utter contempt. She had that universal look on her face that said ‘men’. Anathema smiled in companionship, yeah she knew a little of what the poor stewardess was though. She learned quickly in her early 20s, every time she mentioned being a witch the first question out of dates mouths would be “So you like to dance naked right?”

Finally, he was back at his seat, maybe the idiot would sit down. Instead of sitting though, he stood and talked with an even taller man. Several people were shooting the men uncomfortable looks, but they seemed fully oblivious of that fact. They talk for a moment, before the tall one swivels and starts to march down the aisle towards them.

“Oh great,” The hostess huffs, “The cavalry is here.”

“Please let me know if I can help.” Anathema gives her hand a squeeze then let's go to allow the woman to slip back behind the curtain.

“She is not gonna believe this.” The taller man said as he passed Anathema’s seat. Immediately followed by the original pervert who whispered back, “12 minutes, Dude.” A sentence that made anathema’s hair stand on end. Hovering her hand over her seat belt, she prepared to stand up and interrupt the trio, lie about needing the bathroom or something just to get them to leave the stewardess alone.

“What can I do for you?” the woman askes, sounding far more tired than she did while talking with Anathema.

“This is gonna sound... don’t have.... The truth is out there speech..” What the hell kind of pickup line was that?

“We know... Flight 2485.” The only man interjects. 2485 why did that sound familiar? Anathema strained to hear everything they trip said but the men were talking quietly. She could only parse out a handful of words, broken phrases like “Mechanical failure”, “happening again”, “Not gonna hurt you”, “Chuck”, “Amanda”, “eyes” and “copilot.” Just as Anathema was about to get up and come to the Stewardess' help, the other woman came through the curtain.

She tried to stop the stewardess but the woman was frantically heading towards the cockpit. Whatever these men said to her, they had thoroughly scared the woman. She was knocking on the cockpit door. Maybe reporting the two men to the pilots. Good, Anathema hopped they would be told to sit down and shut up.

With a satisfied smile Anathema watches as the co-pilot and stewardess march to the back of the plane. She was looking forward to hearing the chewing out these two jerks were about to get.

Just as the copilot enters the back cabin she heard the last thing she expected. With a loud thud and stubble it sounded like someone had just been punched in the face. The sounds of fighting just kept happening, growling louder and unnoticed by all the other passengers who were plugged into their devices.

Holy hell, were they guys attacking the pilot. There had to be something in the book about this? Throwing open her book, she started to smell burning and sulfur, making her nearly frantic as she desperately searched. 2485. 2485. That was important, she knows she has ready 2485 before. Just as the stewardess came out to stand in front of the curtain, Anathema remembered the exact page she needed. Quickly, Anathema flipped through the book, trying to find the appropriate prophecy. Three on page 695 Agnese's tight tight clean cursive was the passage.

When survivor of 2485metal flies with hundreds ascend the skye Brothers two, of witchfinder new, will split wonne made two and raise thee up once again.

Then suddenly, the plane just dropped from the sky.

Riding a rollercoaster is the most common metaphor one makes when talking about the pitting feeling in your stomach. That isn't quite right though. When one falls from the sky it doesn’t feel so much like your on a rollercoaster. It in fact feels like that moment when you miss-calculate how many steps you need to go and your foot suddenly falls down an unforeseen distance. That suddenly sick tight stressor runs up your spine, making your muscles tight and your breath gasping in an aborted scream that you don't fully have time to give. It is like that but has a thousand steps, respective and constant.

Everyone in the cabin was suddenly alert and screaming. The lights flickered and the cabin began rattles. Anathema clutched Agnes’s book to her chest and held in her screams as her eyes teared up in terror.

Instantly the curtains flew open and one of the men stumbled down the aisle. He hit the ground almost instantly but kept crawling, he was hell bent to keep going. Alarms blared, the air masks dropped and screaming kept going. Anathema's ears popped as the air pressure changed quickly as they fell closer and closer to earth.

Lightning hit the plane, coursing around the cabin, rolling along the walls and ceiling. The plane seemed to catch air and start flying once more. Where it was the stress or air pressure of shear relief at surviving, Anathema blacked out until they landed. Anathema’s stomach settled and she nearly cried with relief. Thankfully within the hour, they had landed. She couldn't get off that plane faster.

Unfortunately for her, she still had an international flight to make. She had an Apocalypse to avert.

Did this have to be a good omen X SPN cross over? No. Do I regret anything? absolutely not! Also I thought the last episode was dark. This one drops two plane out of the sky. In 2005 like that was most American’s biggest nightmare in those days.

On screen Body Count: 142

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