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i love this ty 👀 i'm such a fan of joint israeli-palestinian/jewish-muslim groups. how are we supposed to live together if we don't even talk to each other
i think the issue is that people want a solution and dont really care if its a realistic or fair solution? the people who want israelis out of israel dont know where to put them. those who want them all to emigrate arent considering where theyll be able to emigrate to, or the language barriers (will they be able to work and live? how many people would be forcefully seperated from their families?) or the prejudice theyre likely to face if they are forced to move. people dont seem to consider that the average israeli citizen is also as real a person as anyone else and have 0 power or choice over what their government is doing.
'antizionists' will say again and again that israelis living on stolen land, but were all living on stolen land, if you asked all of america to move away and return the country to the natives thered be outrage - i dont know what the solution is and i obviously support palestinian freedom, but i just think it would be so much more productive if as a collective we could like? discuss what we want the solution to be ? other than "hope all the israelis magically disappear"
(sorry tumblr fucking ate this ask lmfao) you have a very good point yeah. i think also tbh it's not for people without any connection to the land to really decide to begin with? but that to the side, yeah, the majority of a lot of the people tlaking about this are kinda hand-waving away a lot of the actual steps towards the goal absolutely bc that goal includes kicking all The Bad People™ out of the land, and they don't want to acknowledge that that's not gonna happen without a LOT of bloodshed
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Yemeni Jewish Bride, Yemen, by Malin Fezehai
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girl where is the dancing! where is the golden calf! if they wanted to depict this scene as the first time with the tablets, wouldn't it make sense for them to make that clear? why would you have a scene of an incredibly pivotal and deeply painful moment in the torah without,,, showing any of the important parts about it? wouldn't it make more sense that, in trying to find a scene to end the movie on with a happy note, they did more fast forwarding (which wouldn't be out of the question considering the rest of this scene) and decided to depict the actual revelation at mt sinai in which bnei yisrael are actually delivered from the immoral ways of the egyptians to the full covenant, thus bringing the story to a close?
here are some reviews specifically noting (often critiquing) the lack of inclusion of the golden calf:
https://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1748&context=jrf
it may interest you to note, however, that apparently you're not alone in mis-remembering the final scene! https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/s/5ljE3f6aLt
i appreciate your concern about my understanding of my own situation as existing within a "culturally jewish" atmosphere, however i'm unsure of where you got this impression, as this is the farthest thing from what i believe, to the point that i'm planning my grad school plans around wanting to be in a place with more jews. as much as i love kentucky, a change of scenery would do me a lot of good. i need more jews and less transphobic legislation in my life
i also don't need this kind of pretentious holier-than-thou (or, more-jewish-than-thou) parroting of simply incorrect statements about judaism, so i'm exiting the conversation now. i leave you with this point of caution: refrain from making an assertion that x way of thinking isn't jewish, or that y never happens in judaism, or that z is The One Jewish Way To Do Something. there's never one jewish way to do something, as the talmud clearly shows. plurality of opinion and interpretation and practice is something that is generally celebrated in judaism, not maligned. i think if you opened yourself up to more experiences than just your own, you may very well find that this is one of the most beautiful things about judaism
prince of egypt is not a christian movie. the exodus is a jewish story. it’s found in other religions, and can even have a heightened level of significance, like for black (specifically african american) christians. but it is a jewish story from jewish scripture written from a jewish perspective about jewish persecution. enjoy it all you want. but don’t go on about how much you love prince of egypt then erase the fundamental jewish spirit of it.
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words cannot describe how relieved i am that we know that at the very least, hersh goldberg-polin is alive
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i think the issue is that people want a solution and dont really care if its a realistic or fair solution? the people who want israelis out of israel dont know where to put them. those who want them all to emigrate arent considering where theyll be able to emigrate to, or the language barriers (will they be able to work and live? how many people would be forcefully seperated from their families?) or the prejudice theyre likely to face if they are forced to move. people dont seem to consider that the average israeli citizen is also as real a person as anyone else and have 0 power or choice over what their government is doing.
'antizionists' will say again and again that israelis living on stolen land, but were all living on stolen land, if you asked all of america to move away and return the country to the natives thered be outrage - i dont know what the solution is and i obviously support palestinian freedom, but i just think it would be so much more productive if as a collective we could like? discuss what we want the solution to be ? other than "hope all the israelis magically disappear"
(sorry tumblr fucking ate this ask lmfao) you have a very good point yeah. i think also tbh it's not for people without any connection to the land to really decide to begin with? but that to the side, yeah, the majority of a lot of the people tlaking about this are kinda hand-waving away a lot of the actual steps towards the goal absolutely bc that goal includes kicking all The Bad People™ out of the land, and they don't want to acknowledge that that's not gonna happen without a LOT of bloodshed
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Firstly, love the blog :3 second, I’m also a Jew, ethnically but converted officially due to having a nonJewish maternal grandmother. You mentioned in another ask that Jews can believe in other gods, but not worship them. Could you expand on that, because I didn’t know that! But it makes sense to me
ah thank you!!! first i wanna say that i'm not a rabbi and i really am not an authority on this. i'm just parroting what my rabbi told me over a year ago. but she said that jews can believe that other gods exist and simply that we mustn't worship them. this is rooted in the torah, where especially in bereishis we see many other people worshipping other gods. the way my rabbi explained it is that we don't necessarily have to believe that they were wrong, or that any people of any other religion are wrong, in order to be jewish. being jewish is living according to the covenant avraham v'sarah made with hashem. us living according to that covenant doesn't necessarily mean that we're saying that hashem is the only valid deity to ever exist (which tbh idk if i actually believe in hashem as A Deity™ but that's a whole other conversation) but rather that hashem is the guy we're hitching our wagon to. and part of that covenant was that hashem very explicitly wanted us to only worship hashem, no other gods
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hey @svartikotturinn can you point to the עגל הזהב (golden calf) for me in this image please
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[image id: the last shot of the prince of egypt. our point of view is behind moses, who is holding his staff in one hand and cradling two stone tablets in the other. he is looking over a cliff, down at bnei yisrael who are camped out in the valley below. you see lots of people and tents and other structures, but no sign of any group of people dancing around a golden statue of a calf /end id]
prince of egypt is not a christian movie. the exodus is a jewish story. it’s found in other religions, and can even have a heightened level of significance, like for black (specifically african american) christians. but it is a jewish story from jewish scripture written from a jewish perspective about jewish persecution. enjoy it all you want. but don’t go on about how much you love prince of egypt then erase the fundamental jewish spirit of it.
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narrowing my eyes at how i haven't seen passover or pesach trending once and yet israel is trending
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hi!! i hope this isnt too invasive, but im just curious, as someone who has converted to judaism would you view religion/judaism as a choice?
the reason im asking is that i studied theology in college and it was something we discussed within the class, whether religion was a choice or something inherent within a person, but my entire class were either muslims from muslim families or atheists, so a lot of the perspectives were that it wasnt a choice (ie "im atheist because i dont believe in god, but i wish i could be religious, so it isnt a choice" or "im religious because i do inherently believe in god, and for that reason i couldnt choose atheism") so id be curious to hear your take! no pressure of course if its an invasive question or likely to cause disagreements
oh no worries at all! i think honestly part of the problem here is the definition of judaism as a religion lmao. it's an ethnoreligion with a unique approach to history (it's currently pesach, and we are commanded to feel as though we personally were brought out of egypt. we re-enact the exodus, every year not having enough time for our bread to leaven. highly recommend reading yerushalmi's "zachor" if you're interested in how judaism interacts with time). basically, joining judaism is WAY different than joining any other religion (afaik). you literally have a new ethnicity, jewish
so talking about this from the other side, there are a bunch of atheist jews, and my rabbi told me i'm not even really required to believe in gd in order to convert to judaism, and on the other hand i can believe in the existence of other gods! i'm just not allowed to worship them. so there are some religious jews, there are atheist jews, there are agnostic jews, buddhist jews, witchy jews, and so many other kinds!
to me, this gets to my understanding of religion as a culture. the measurable parts of a religion are common practices, common objects, common texts, common important days, either common answers to a question or common frameworks or common questions or whatever else. religion to me seems like a framework through which we can channel our feelings about the world, and which we can use to understand/interact with the world around us. in a sense, culture is the same. growing up in kentucky has given me the common practice of corn mazes in the fall, the common object of horseshoes as symbols of luck, the common texts of shakespeare and poe, the common important days of the derby and oaks, the frameworks of thinking in terms of a two party system and having a hesitancy about going to a Big City™️. i can't change the fact that i grew up in kentucky, and i can choose to adopt new practices and habits and even to move to a different place, but it's harder to unlearn some of the stuff ingrained in me, and even if i do move, that doesn't mean i get rid of my memories and feelings about kentucky. it's the same with religion. i can't change the fact that i grew up in a christian household, was told to mourn in a christian way, and have lived in the bible belt all my life. even converting to judaism, i still have good memories about christmas and easter, and i'm still expected to go home for christmas
aside from this, honestly i wouldn't even say my beliefs have changed very much from christianity to wicca-flavored witchcraft to judaism. i still have a Wow This Is Big feeling when i'm hiking in the appalachias or singing in a big group of people, i still fundamentally love humanity and think human collaboration is powerful and beautiful, i still try my best to live my life according to my set of morals (which honestly have changed more due to my queerness than my religious affiliation). i feel like, at least partially, my religious exploration has been more of finding what framework best fits with what i believe and what i deem important to me. so i suppose in that way, i'd say beliefs aren't a choice but religion is
but what about the beliefs in my life that have changed according to some intentional impulse on my part, like that trans people are weird or the belief that statism is the best way to organize a population? i deconstructed and unlearned that, a practice that was definitely not by accident, but it also wasn't as easy as flipping a switch and going "i don't have any transphobic thoughts anymore." i think as easy and tempting as it is to say that hatred and bigotry is a choice, i don't think i agree. it's a choice whether or not to be an asshole to someone. but even still, the framework of who you should care about if you've been an asshole to may be something more inherited
i honestly could keep going, but i've already written enough. i'll go with this: for many people, their religion is what they grew up knowing. however, i would argue that most people have enough access to information about other frameworks that they probably made some sort of decision to continue on the path they were already on (those who are staying within a certain religion because of force are not who i'm talking about here). so in that way, religion is a choice. however, i do not think that religion and belief are necessarily the same thing. i think beliefs are more fundamental and that religion is what allows us to put those indescribable gut feelings into words. i think beliefs are changeable, and that one can choose to put in the work to change a belief, but i think it is much harder for me to classify beliefs as 100% a choice as well
bc i just love studying talmud so much, i'm going to complicate your question even more by moving us out of the realm of personal decisions. i think it's interesting to note that my being jewish technically won't be my decision. when the time comes i will go before a beis din, a group of three rabbis, who will ask me questions and will ultimately have the authority to say that i cannot complete my conversion. additionally, the rabbi overseeing my conversion also has the ability to say i'm not ready to go before a beis din, or to say she doesn't feel comfortable overseeing my conversion anymore and turn me away. it's also an interesting complicator that my conversion likely will not be considered valid by some (namely, orthodox people) who only consider orthodox conversions to be valid. same goes for those who are known as patrilineal jews, or jews with a jewish father and a non-jewish mother (yes this framework does struggle under queer identities and relationships but we don't have time to get into that LMAO). currently, orthodox and conservative (no relation to the school of political thought) judaism only recognize jewishness as being able to be passed down matrilineally, and as such there are many people who have lived their entire lives as jews, and yet have needed to undergo some sort of conversion ritual to be considered jewish by a certain group
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Looks like some Nazis are about to get punched. But the real question is who’s saving the Jews? Only asking cuz I am one.
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Looks like some Nazis are about to get punched. But the real question is who’s saving the Jews? Only asking cuz I am one.
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Looks like some Nazis are about to get punched. But the real question is who’s saving the Jews? Only asking cuz I am one.
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