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ocean-cloud · 3 months
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okay but imagine being king of the gods and blaming a scrawny twelve-year-old kid for stealing a sacred object of yours that is your responsibility to keep up with me. and the only basis for your argument is that he is your brother's spawn so the kid must be a menace. king behavior. truly.
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ocean-cloud · 4 months
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Grover manipulating ares in that therapy session by pretending to hate kids and rolling his eyes as if he isn't just a single mom working tirelessly to stop his kids from murdering people on accident.
Just everyone thinking he's so peaceful and sweet and it takes 0.00001 seconds to commit psychological warfare with the GOD OF WAR HIMSELF.
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ocean-cloud · 4 months
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Everyone who thought percy being blonde wasn't staying true to the books never considered the true untapped potential of blonde percy
Nico d'angelo has a type now. He's down bad for the BLONDES. AND YOU KNOW HES EMBARRASSED ABOUT IT TOO.
The meme potential of this is ENDLESS. I need a heroes of Olympus adaptation JUST so that someone can make fun of him for that
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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he as a character IS trying to fix things, that ending shows us how much of a problem solver and perfectionist he is. He's never been dim, but I do think his almost manic perfectionism will be the issue, its not his intelligence. He's going to gain full control and I have a feeling that THATS what going to get back at him
As far as the end credits scene goes, I still stand by the fact that Aziraphale is smarter than everyone gives him credit for.
It’s easy to forget that he has the grace of an angel, he isn’t going to be abrasive and rude, although he can be, but most of the time he’s careful with his intentions. It doesn’t mean he isn’t aware of what is happening.
People are so blinded by s2, they forget that Aziraphale had no problem standing up for himself, in heaven or hell. He’s not one to get bowled over. So of course when Gabriel, archangel of heaven, shows up like that Aziraphale is going to try and figure out what’s going on. And when he sees how vulnerable a situation he’s in Aziraphale will help protect him.
But it also benefits Aziraphale. He’s not dim, he knows that there is something larger going on and he’s trying to figure it out. It’s a clue, right? And if you break it down, Aziraphale does figure it out. The Metatron in the end tells him they are planning for the second coming. And Aziraphale has a moment where he could still turn back. But he doesn’t.
Aziraphale is smart, and he’s brave, and he doesn’t back down. THAT is what I think the different expressions on his face are conveying on the elevator ride up. He’s going into battle, and he’s mentally preparing for it.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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The realization that crowley has no idea heaven and hell have assumed things about their relationship puts his scene with Nina into perspective. He's shocked because he thought they were slick about this, his realization that not only can the whole world tell, that aziraphale can tell but also that all the extra affection hes been getting might be reciprocation to his feelings. Every instance of the public knowing has been with aziraphale so Crowley has never realized. It's a whole shift in perspective, of what he thinks Aziraphale might know. It's a parallel to 1941 when aziraphale realizes/ acknowledges that not only is he in love and has been for years but that Crowley might reciprocate when times change.
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In 1941, Crowley saves the books purely to make Aziraphale happy and that's the moment Aziraphale realizes that Crowley unequivocally cares and there's something there, something they could one day revisit
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It's in 2023 that Crowley has this moment, when he sees that every moment of affection, touch "us" was aziraphale quietly loving him back.
Not just that but that the whole world can see it too. No wonder he looks like his whole world view shattered, because it did.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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Pt.1
I pointed out in another meta that Aziraphale is stuck in denial for almost the entirety of the show and sets a certain narrative and Crowley lets him. his perfectionism is for his narrative. Now that he's supreme archangel, the entire world becomes his narrative and he as of now doesn't understand the toxicity of his perspectives and perfectionisms and often simplicity in very nuanced issues. We point out that in the ending of s.2 he smiles, he's going to fix heaven, and I often considered that as a revenge story but in hindsight this might be a revenge story in his eyes but not ours. Because he still hasn't learnt, he's still naive, he will still end up playing out the story quite similarly to heaven until he finally realizes that he's not strong enough, he's going to be caught up in all of it until its too late.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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Aziraphale at this point is like a child from an abusive household that doesn't realize it, and when joining a new relationship, he's continuing the cycle of abuse. It isn't just his religious trauma and rigid perspectives of right and wrong. His 'childhood' environment made him a manic perfectionist and led him to have an obsessive need to fix things which made him a problem solver in a way but also led him to accidently hurt Crowley (continuing that cycle) by implying that until his restoration to heaven happens, something is inherently wrong
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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The post I made about Crowley's protectiveness got me thinking about the scene with him and Gabriel in the bedroom (that sounds wrong but I swear this makes sense)
I don't think even a month later I've fully comprehended just the utter absolute insanity of that scene. This is Crowley at his actual breaking point.
It's the one time he uses the removal of glasses to express a different type of vulnerability. His rage. He has bottled this for so long and refuses to tell aziraphale to protect him and he is truly at his limit. I don't think we acknowledge just how much of his moral code he broke when he asked Jim to jump, even at his worst, the show makes it a point that ironically Aziraphale is more of a violent person than Crowley, owning a gun etc.
His protectiveness is also hurting aziraphale and himself, he doesn't want to let aziraphale see how much he hurts, and the reality of things. Considering just how close Aziraphale was to not going even without the knowledge of Armageddon 2.0, I do believe if he had even an inkling of an idea of what happened that day, things could be different. Ultimately it's one of their many trauma responses.
season 3 is just as much Crowley's reality check of his own habits due to traumatic events (his fall and subsequently becoming extremely protective of his loves) as it is Aziraphale learning the reality of heaven.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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Crowley is going to have to learn that his specific actions of 'protection' has almost directly resulted in the final choice Aziraphale makes.
As previously stated in my very long Crowley analysis, he is:
very smitten (/smote?) all the way from garden of Eden and
my boi is PROTECTIVE, for Aziraphale, the world, and also his heart by not acknowledging his own trauma.
He wants Aziraphale to walk away from heaven and all these sides because their 'toxic', but he utterly refuses to let Aziraphale experience any semblance of a reality check or trauma that he went through, to realize the utter cruelty of god themself. He desperately hopes his love and conviction is enough to make Aziraphale walk away but its just not. He curates specific 'learning opportunities' for Aziraphale to see how nothing is black and white but he utterly fails to realize that until Az chooses to think about heaven's issues and/ faces the blunt realization for himself that these sides are not to be trusted, he can only ever solve the surface level problems.
His protectiveness has directly allowed Aziraphale to live in a state of denial, he enabled him to keep believing. Yes he teases, he jokes and often blatantly stated how Aziraphale was wrong, but just has humans are, Aziraphale will never change until he chooses to.
Crowley is going to be hit with the crushing reality that his feigned casualness, dealing with problems on his own, never communicating made Aziraphale walk away. Crowley chose not to tell Aziraphale about the atrocities he saw, Armageddon 2.0, possibly his own fall ( this depends on if he actually remembers the fall which is a point of discretion).
He's in love but he's hypocritical, he wants the fairytale just as much as Aziraphale, the Jane Austen love story but as of now, he doesn't seem to treat Aziraphale as an equal (mind you this isn't on purpose, he almost leans the entire opposite way to the point of worship but his enabling of Aziraphale to live in a state of denial does accidently end up being so).
He wants to leave Earth in s.1 and run off to Alpha Centuri, not just because he's avoidant, its because he's protective of Aziraphale, he dreads losing Aziraphale, but in the end he does. He wants to rid Gabriel not just because of his fragile peaceful existence of his life, but their lives. Every action of his is an act of protection for Aziraphale, and every action let Aziraphale's denial fester, he simply couldn't burst Aziraphale happy bubble of heavens beauty to tell him the truth.
Aziraphale walking away in that moment is not just growth for him, its giving time, a moment of realization for Crowley, that he cannot protect his loves by dealing with it all on his own. He tries so hard, after spending a millennia thinking he was going to lose his creations, he found another thing that gave him that same happiness, and he vowed to protect it with everything he has, what he has to learn is that he can't always do that.
It makes the kiss all the more heartbreaking, it was a moment for the both of them, Aziraphale reacting the same way as he learned the 'human pleasures' in the story Job, it was something he was starved of, but not any more. And for Crowley, he found something he loved as much as the stars, something he's terrified of losing, but its already too late, his actions, his responses because of his own trauma will be his own downfall of his love.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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okay I know we collectively decided that the Metatron is a master manipulator but I also like to imagine that he's just REALLY trying to be not like other girls TM.
"OH I'm not like THEM, i INGEST things, I can wear cool edgy clothes, I'm part of the cool kids right? right??"
also to @the-metatron this isn't about you :) its about another Metatron who goes to a different school. You have NOTHING to be worried about
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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I know the books state that all in all Crowley is secretly an optimist. In terms of the show I can partially agree with this. When it comes to the world's problems he's avoidant and pessimistic. But when it's about the things he loves, he is truly an optimist. He despises that about himself because it only leads him to getting hurt, but he still loved all the same
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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Going through my notes pre s.2 at various atrocious hours of the day and here's the most coherent one:
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Clearly I had some issues with Amish heard Crowley.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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its been a while and real life may have taken over for a bit but the brain rot will always reign supreme. Anyway needless to say I am back on my bullshit, welcome, no on is sane here.
We can all kind of agree at this point that plants are just the most thinly veiled metaphor for the fall and Crowley himself right?? At this point its fairly obvious. They have to be perfectly beautiful or else they meet their demise (yeah less subtext more just text)
The plants have ALWAYS been Crowley, regardless of him realizing it, he's been using it to cope with all of his fall trauma TM, always beautiful and 'perfect', always trying to impress, and always always scared. Their seemingly perfectly in tune with Crowley (re: the multiple times it seems to react with him, shaking when in the presence of someone else, whether angry or scared).
So in the context of season 1, we see this very self destructive coping mechanism that he uses to feel 'in control' (even if he very much ISN'T and is, as usual, running away from pain and inflicting it on others to 'justify' it) which is very consistent with his personality.
and its just so PERFECT, in season 2, we see Crowley discover his new found freedom but he doesn't seem to be happy, more accurately satisfied. He is not meeting his own needs, wants and desires, and just the absolute train wreck of miscommunication this season just exacerbates it. And just like Crowley, the plants are in a literal sense not getting their needs met, not only is a car just an awful place to grow plants, the movement back and forth between car and bookshop likely makes them more fragile, house plants generally have a distaste for being moved around to different locations often, they like to find a home and build their roots in, they need that space, the patience and care. and also very obviously, love.
This ties back into the fact that s.3 will definitely delve into the fall, and him finally recognizing that he deserves it. He doesn't need to question whether he is enough for Aziraphale, spots and all, he as a place in each others lives.
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ocean-cloud · 8 months
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Opinions on the Metatron?
He is great. I couldn’t wish for a more loyal and competent spokesman and scribe.
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ocean-cloud · 9 months
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After a millennia, a millennia of talking they somehow still combine the energy of a young brewing relationship, just starting to get together, unsure of how to communicate and haven't really hit the deep depths of what a relationship founded on trust, communication and mutual respect can be like as well as an eternally married couple who know so much about each other and are so used to each other they no longer have to have those deep discussion and can just resort to every day silliness that humanity gives you. Their entire relationship is so contradictory.
The problem with this is that they never hit the middle point, one where they discover each other insecurities, problems and communicate. Its either one or the other, never in between. They have the long term, married energy that is patterns and habits, the silly banter/bickering, but they still don't know how to problem solve, deal with disagreements etc.
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ocean-cloud · 9 months
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Well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
As much as season 2 seems to be Crowley being a disaster puppy absolutely going feral (as he deserves to) I think Aziraphale might break apart too. While we've seen him use 'we' 'our' etc (and yes i scream every time) he still is in denial in some ways. He hasn't fully parted with heaven.
There's some serious miscommunication going on when he tries to get Crowley to befriend Gabriel. Clearly its 2 entirely different friendships and he means different things, but to Crowley? the demon who fought centuries to be called a friend watched Aziraphale give that title SO easily to Gabriel?? Crowley has struggled to acknowledge his self worth and that his fall doesn't make him an irreversibly bad person, he uses humor to cope with the idea that he doesn't deserve anything but to see his Aziraphale imply that Gabriel can receive it after trying to end his life in the final episode? he has to feel CRUSHED. The archangel who was cruel to him all these centuries gets the cherished titles so quickly so easily while Crowley does everything for Aziraphale and still was denied for so many years. From his point of view, this is another case of why he just isn't enough, how he'll never be good and deserving of Aziraphale. It ties into how Crowley believes he isn't good enough because he isn't an angel and Aziraphale keeps accidently dismissing his feeling and feeding into his insecurity. Until he recognizes that Crowley is wonderful because he is Crowley not because he could be an angel its gonna get messy.
Until they actually talk about how they truly feel, we're stuck in this cycle of miscommunication
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ocean-cloud · 9 months
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Have far too many meta analysis in my drafts that are 40-50% finished, so:
for clarifications sake, option 1 will be a part 2 to the extensive Crowley analysis (and the thinly veiled metaphors of his glasses and plants), option 2 covers why their core traits cause them to miscommunicate so much.
Option 3 is all about the habits they have, the waltz they do every time they fight, how its always the same dance around each other until it finally changes in the finale. But also how almost every pattern/habit they have is broken in some way for the entire season.
4 is self explanatory, love languages and their emotional growth in s.2, how its clear neither of them were satisfied with the current relationship and how the entire plot are parallels to how we are meant to view their relationship.
Option 5 is an extensive analysis on how each of them view heaven, hell and god and how its indoctrinated & traumatized them because clearly I haven't covered all of it already.
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