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Hello have some revolver art
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the thing about that post: there's ways in which it is not true and an unfair comparison but ways in which it is so fucking warranted lmaooooooooooooooo
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The Beatles at the Futurist Theatre in Scarborough, England | 11 December 1963
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John Lennon & George Harrison at the Futurist Theatre in Scarborough, England | 11 December 1963 © John Varley
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Please Mister Postman hydrogen bomb vs Twist and Shout coughing baby (literally)
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the line "Oklahoma was never like this" would actually make sense on But Daddy I Love Him.......
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(op loves when Taylor makes country music)
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do you paul had any sort of power over john?
At the very least, Paul had power over John in the same way anyone who's intimately familiar with someone else has some sort of power over them. He knew John and seemed to more or less have a grasp on John's MO – while perhaps not totally understanding the underlying reasons for John's behaviour – and he chose his actions accordingly.
I also think John felt Paul had power over him, especially in the studio given the way he framed certain song recording processes. Whether you consider that more of a self-imposed passivity on John's part is for you to decide, I'd say. Personally, I don't think the line between John's perceived lack of power and Paul's actual power is usually very clear.
I'm also wondering how much that disconnect may have led to a feedback loop. I feel like towards the end John and Paul both didn't fully get how much sway they had with the other, and perhaps upon perceiving the other as not acknowledging his position of power, this only made them feel weaker in a sense, because the level of commitment didn't seem mutual.
Your question was kind of vague, so I hope what I said made sense :)
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PAUL MCCARTNEY. 1974. Photo taken by DAVID LITCHFIELD.
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If you want, I hope you do elaborate on your thoughts on the Mclennon narrative. Personally, your posts on JP are always a joy to read
Okay, so some of the thoughts I was having yesterday: I sometimes feel like the way John and Paul's dynamic is being assessed, people are operating with… kind of a caricature of what men and (seemingly platonic) male relationships look like. I understand that both John and Paul expressed feeling "inhibited" by masculinity, but I think there's a lack of nuance with how those feelings are juxtaposed with their apparent comfort being near each other. A lot of the times pointed out as them being very close are posed pictures, for instance, when people generally stand closer together than they would normally. I also think the "no touchy" rules of toxic masculinity doesn't really apply to anything that's mostly a joke/a prank. It's sort of an extension of how young boys play-fight. That being said, many people around the Beatles noted how close they were to each other – but I still don't think that's unique exactly, it's a relatively common feature of groups that spend an inordinate amount of time together, working towards a joint goal (see: army buddies but also sports teams).
I also think we overblow how big of a deal it was to joke around about "being queer" (which doesn't mean there was no bigotry; people joke about taboo subjects all the time).
So like, one of my hottest takes is that sometimes when John and Paul appear to be flirting – that's a joke (sometimes specifically a parody of the teenaged mania surrounding them). To be clear: this observation doesn't preclude them perhaps saying some truths in jest to each other, but the way Ringo and George broached these topics wasn't all that dissimilar to them.
And I say all these things because I think it actually is relevant to understanding their relationship. If either of them felt attraction to the other, the fact that this flirting was part of their normal communication changes their motivation for engaging in it (ie. it wouldn't necessarily be a true overture). I actually do personally think John probably meant it some of the times he engaged in that type of behaviour, but I find thinking of it this way completely explains why Paul may not have fully understood what was going on, instead of painting him as a completely socially unaware idiot who refuses to hear the words John is saying.
The other thing is sometimes I feel like a certain quote presented to me as "McLennon evidence" is actually just proving that John and Paul were close and cared about each other… which I and most people outside some staunch Jean Jackets wouldn't argue with?
I feel like there's a lot of arguments by association, eg. this quote shows that Paul thinks about John a lot – and only someone who had a romantic past with John would think about him a lot! I just don't really see how these things connect directly.
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do you think john realized the power he had over paul?
This sort of feels like the million dollar question.
At the start of their relationship I'd say absolutely, but it sort of seems to me like at some point John felt he lost that power and a lot of his actions towards Paul were either an attempt to regain it or because he didn't think it would have the impact it did. I'd wager it vascillated between those two states, but I'm not sure I could point to an action where I could say for sure how he felt about it.
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EXTREME LEARNING MACHINE
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sharing the sofa like normal people
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