#zeesaint

[indifferentinfatuation]

ft. tutor and his obsession with fighter's adam's apple

#love it when a couple has a thing that's unique to them #and maybe i've just missed it but i haven't seen this (at least not this prominently) in any other bl #thai bl #saintzee #zeesaint #fightertutor #why r u #why r u the series #thai drama #tutorfighter #saint suppapong #zee pruk

[chicademartinica]

NetJames coming for the throne but respecting tradition

#bed friend #why r u #bed friend the series #why r u the series #netjames #zeesaint #fightertutor #kinguea #THEY KNOW WHAT THEY BE DOING

[absolutebl]

My top 10 INTENSE mutual eye contact in Thai BL:

This is from an ask from @dramawatching​ (which Tumblr promptly ate). 

They said, “if I’m remembering correctly I think you wrote about Akk and Ayan looking like they were soul bonding when they locked eyes in The Eclipse”

Which is true. I did. 

“could you share your fave 5 BL couples with intense eye contact/staring?”

I’d be delighted (In no particular order) 

The Moot Eye Fuckatude! 

1. Akk & Ayan - The Eclipse

2. X & Q - 21 Day Theory (we were robbed)

3. Sea & Tin - Friend Forever (we were robbed, again) 

4. Pluem & Kewin - Ghost Host, Ghost House (all round amazing chemistry with these too, like top tear. I hope we get them again in a better BL) 

5. Win & Tops - Ingredients, I’m gonna say it, if you know JeffGame’s ease and connection with each other from this show you can’t NOT see how hard Jeff was struggling with his partner in KP. And yes, I do think age was a factor, but also prior established friendship. 

6. The & Oh-aew - ITSAY, these tow can break your heart with just one look 

7. Ae & Pete - Love By Chance, I mean COME ON

8. Ram & King - My Engineer (PerthLay were on point in Y-Destiny too), Talay is good, he has great eye intimacy with Yoon too (YYY), and Yoon had terrible eye work in Unforgotten Night so I’m assuming that it’s mostly Lay. 

9. Fighter & Tutor - Why R U? (Zee, in general, does a TON of emoting with his eyes, I thought Saint was better at reciprocating than NuNew, but I have my fingers crossed for ZeeNu forthcoming fantasy piece) 

10. JimmySea (whatever their characters were variably called) - Vice Versa

I had to limit myself to Thai Bl or frankly Taiwan would sweep the category. 

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#thai bl #eye work #emoting #emoting with eyes #acting with eyes #eye contact #eye connection #Vice Versa #JimmySea #Why R U? #zeesaint #zee pruk #Perth Saint #fightertutor #ChampDoc #TharnType 2 #TinnGun #My School President #My Engineer #RamKing #PerthLay #Lay Talay #Love By Chance #AePete #AkkAyan #The Eclipse #21 Day Theory #Friend Forever #SaeTin #Ghost Host Ghost House

[smittenskitten]

James looks like Zee and Saint had a baby and my brain is stuck on that

Edit: did I stay up till 4 in the morning thinking about this? Well, yes.

#zee pruk #saint suppapong #james supamongkon #bed friend #zeesaint #the more i look at james the more i think about this #bed friend text #🤣🤣🤣 #silly little posts

[thisautistic]

FighTor in Why R U The Series ep 2

#why r u #thai bl #why r u the series #zeesaint #fightor

[negrowhat]

saintzee could have been everything, imagine how many amazing series we would have gotten with them. but, then they had a messy break-up and ruined it :(

Hey anon! I totally agree! I feel like ZaintSee could've been like...THAT pairing. Saint and Zee definitely have that range to play any sort of dynamic. That's part of the reason why I don't really vibe with ZeeNuNew. I feel like they're going to continue to play similar characters to LianKuea. I feel like their new prince series is going to have similar character vibes to LianKuea. I could be wrong but I'm nowhere near invested to find out.

I don't even know what happened between Saint and Zee but I just feel like Saint is just tired of being a BL actor. I know he likes being an actor but the BL industry just has not been kind to him. I'm glad he's been given the chance to produce some series though because Secret Crush on You is really great and GAP the Series isn't perfect but man is it raking in high views for Idolfactory. I want him to do a job that he loves and that loves him back.

I'm hoping for nothing but the best for Saint and Zee but ya girl misses the magical chemistry they had on screen.

#saintzee #zeesaint #zaintsee #zee pruk #saint suppapong

[theflagscene]

Hello!

Would you be able to share more about the issue with Zee and Saint? I have never heard about this before and I really thought they had great chemistry. O.o

You’re right, they had great chemistry. Zee was a fan of Saint long before he ever started acting and credited Saint for helping him learn the ropes and really bringing his acting skill up to a professional level while they worked together on Why R U? They had a great behind the scenes friendship and often showed up to support one another at events, Zee even surprised Saint on his birthday with a cake and gifts at a fan meet before the pair went out for dinner together. Zee waited until 11:59pm to tweet out his birthday message to his ‘Nong Bunny’ because he wanted to be the last one that got to say it to Saint before the day ended, so clearly their friendship was great.

Then the downfall started, Saint playfully joked in a couple interviews about Zee falling asleep during a photoshoot they were doing, which was honestly a sweet story about a poor overworked guy, but Zee’s management did not take kindly to it and according to bts sources, started to treat Saint coldly because they thought he was trying to paint Zee in an unprofessional light. Considering Saint’s history with being treated like shit by his acting partners management team (ie: Perth’s manager claiming the only reason Saint was so being offered so many roles after LBC aired was because he was being ‘offered’ up to powerful men in the industry by his management team) Saint and his management team did not take kindly to Zee’s team trying to drag him, they weren’t going to let it get to the level of scandal that had happened with Perth.

Just a note: Perth’s manager rescinded his claims and apologized on his IG for claiming that Saint - who was still just a teenager at the time - was selling his body for roles, which there was never any proof of him doing. And even if he had been some sort of sex worker, that would’ve been no one’s business but his own to begin with. 

Back to Zee, because of this, Saint pulled back slightly and was less chatty about Zee. Although a lot of Zee’s fans saw this as Saint attacking Zee and his work ethic, so they started harassing Saint online which again just caused Saint to step back further. Then a pretty damning 2017 video of Zee harassing women on the street as part of a hidden camera DMD segment surfaced where he asked them if he could ‘milk’ them, leaving people pretty disgusted. Zee and his people tried to do damage control and put out a statement about how wrong it was that he had taken part and that he’d grown as a person, etc. By that point Saint had pretty much stopped all public communication with Zee for not only his own mental health but also to keep his career as far away from that misogyny as possible. Whenever asked about their relationship, both claim nothing is wrong and that they were friends and everything is fine behind the scenes. Although Zee’s lack of attendance at Saint’s graduation did not go unnoticed, as he had many of his Why R U costars and Idol Factory actors there with him to congratulate him.

They did a couple more meets together, although they were distant and there is no fanservice at all. They are very professional and kind, but the comfort they once had with each other was clearly lacking. To this day, Saint will often get asked about both Perth and Zee. He and Perth are still very good friends, because it was neither of them that started the issue back during the LBC era, instead it was Perth’s then manager. They both talk often, according to them. Whereas when asked about Zee, Saint gives a generic answer of how Zee is a busy man, talented and of course he and Zee get along. Although it seems as if they haven’t had any actual one on one contact in quite a few years, and any time Zee is asked about Saint he tends to change the subject pretty quickly.

Considering Zee is the older of the two, I was shocked at how badly he handled everything at the time. Saint was hardly perfect, he vague tweeted a few times and did pout a bit, but he was still barely in his twenties at the time while Zee was already in his mid/late twenties and should’ve handled the hurt feelings of a kid better than he did. I like Zee as an actor, but as a person, he seems sort of smug and self important. Which makes me worry about Nunew’s future with their ship, because he’s so much younger than Zee, I hate to think of yet another kid getting crushed under his boot as a stepping stone for bigger and better things.

#anon answered #zeesaint #saintzee #BL actors #zee pruk #saint suppapong #nunew chawarin #I don’t dislike Zee so I don’t need any of his fans coming at me #I’m just sharing what happened #what I remember seeing and reading about #because of those things I feel like my concern for Nunew is valid #perthsaint #perth tanapon

[mariinqueerland]

it only took me 84 years to delete all the mewgulf and zaintsee stuff from my phone* 😔

*however, they shall remain forever in my heart as they were in the glorious 2020-21 promo season😌

#mewgulf #zaintsee #saintzee #zeesaint #I finally also stopped usind the soc.ed formerly known as twt so I'll probably be around here more #WHERE THE +25 BL BUBBLE AROUND HERE

[mysterygrl20]

of course you're tired look at the exercise y'all were doing all night

#why r u the series #why r u thailand #zeesaint #zee pruk #im too ace for this #beck liveblogs

[juneviews]

PerthSaint vs ZeeSaint

perthsaint all the way baby! I used to love aepete so much, they were such an iconic ship circa 2018/2019, whereas I was never into tutorfighter, I only watched why r u for saifahzon & thought fighter had a very annoying personality and story imo. I do think tho that behind the scenes zeesaint definitely had a better relationship, but oh well that didn't last long either :')

xxx

#answers #perthsaint #zeesaint #but out of all 4 ships who came from these 3 actors I feel like the only one I could ever stan is perthchimon lol #I'm so excited for dangerous romance y'all have no idea

[kwonzoshi]

Tutor: I WANT YOU TO PARK THAT BIG MACK TRUCK, RIGHT IN THIS LITTLE GARAGE 🥵

Fighter: A-are you sure? 🥺

#why r u #why r u the series #I am so freaking funny #I cannot do this #kwonzoshi #zee pruk #saint suppapong #zeesaint #seezaint

[manogirl]

That sinking feeling when you watch a gifset and realize that instead of watching whatever you were going to watch this evening you’re going to instead dip back into a show you’ve watched at least 5 million times before. And it’s a sinking feeling but like, a sinking feeling of “well at least it’ll be comforting and I’ll like it”.

#ThaiBL #FighterTutor #ZeeSaint #Why R U #I watch my own personal FighterTutor cut because fuck all those other storylines

[chicademartinica]

I stay away from promotion/fan service but Zee calling Net after he watched the show just to tell him “Net Net Net you gotta teach me that” was the sweetest “I see you rookie” on earth.

#Net licked that nexklace for Zee #netjames #bed friend the series #bed friend #kinguea #zeesaint #why r u

[absolutebl]

Soooo, I need some help, in the form of a reality check. Can you do a little analysis of ZeeNunew irl (if you even pay attention to that). My problem is this: I ship them! Not psychotically, but they are persistently in my brain (along with MaxNat, but I think thats just because Nat is such a physically perfect twink i just really wish he had a boyfriend. That and their upper thigh caresses during cutie pie reaction videos). The issue is that I am very...trusting?...easy to convince? So when I see videos or posts like "X and X boyfriends" or "Couple X being cute together" (which I generally don't watch, but some slip through) I'm like "oh that seems real" until someone else comes in w/the logic (ex you've mentioned Tul and Apo being confident w/a good background so they just fuck w/shippers and it made me realize i was just one of those dumb people who didn't get it at first.)

Part of the problem was I started watching BL pretty recently w/no background info on the genre,

and I'm not much of a behind-the-scenes watcher so it took a while for me to understand that the studios are promoting the ships, and the actors are ACTING, so therefore reasonable adults don't take the ship or irl flirting seriously. I had just assumed when they're not in the show they're being themselves, so, I dunno, I guess I just thought there were a lot of gay actors in Thailand or something.

I'm very embarrassed now, but I just didn't know. I don't follow celebrities but I feel like they don't do this in America so I just thought "it must be real!" Rather than "they're exploiting those poor babies"

I just get such shysweetloving vibes from them. I know Zee is great at adoring his partners, and Nunew responds so sweetly I just squee all over them, but I want to be a responsible fan and not do that. Help me out, give me external validation I'm just being stupid.

How to get over Thai BL Pair Branding 

Ah, they got ya, did they?

You shouldn't be embarrassed. They are actors, it's their job to persuade you to believe in an alt-reality, and this is some very insidious marketing tactics. Also it's pretty unique to Thailand. Also if you come from watching western cinema, we are used to Hollywood actors falling in love with each other and ending up in disastrous marriages from being on set together. It seems normal.

There are a few out gay actors in Thailand, but as yet there hasn't been any actual relationships to come from a BL. And if I were them and got into one, I would stay FIRMLY in the closet.

It's a little like buying that coffee drink because it looked good on IG and then being like, “oh, THIS is disgusting, I feel like an idiot.” Only with more emotional manipulation and not spending $8 on liquid sugar.

Not that I blame the actors! They are being told to do this, some of them are just better at it than others.

Frankly Max & Nat are better at cobranding because they have been together for so long. Sometimes you can see Zee & Nunew drop the act at the end of interviews when they are really tired.

I actually really don't like this aspect of BL, so I don't often watch things designed to encourage pair shipping (variety shows, bts, fanmeets).

I have the cure, ready?

Watch TharnType.

Then go on an internet deep dive about what happened to MewGulf.

Ta da!

You'll be cured.

I have a few things written about this as a marketing tactic here:

Co-Branded BL Couples & Thai Studios - pairs and marketing tactics (written before ZeeNunew and intentionally avoiding MewGulf, PerthSaint, ZeeSaint and all the other catastrophes).

It's like learning how to read a label on a soap bottle or an ingredients list on food packaging, your eye will eventually get trained to see what's actually happening, but it takes a while.

I talk some more about pair branding, parasocial relationships, and why I really dislike IRL shipping here. 

Here’s the bit where I got mad about skinship fantasies around misunderstandings of other cultures, especially Thailand. 

Honestly there are many reasons I prefer to talk about characters, and narrative structures, and not actors. 

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#thai bl #cobranding #cobranded pairs #bl chemistry #gmmtv #zeenunew #zeesaint #mewgulf #perthsaint #tharnType #thai couples #co-branding #thai pairs #thai actors

[thisautistic]

absolutely no thoughts behind those eyes. god i love fighter

#why r u #zeesaint #fightor #thai bl

[essentiallykpopandbl]

The remake of Why R U is really reminding me that it wasn't the plot that kept me interested in the original series when I watched it.

#why r u korea #why r u #was the plot always this ridiculous? #i always watch for zeesaint #it was fun seeing maxnat #i need more maxnat in my life