I do not get that. The fourteen year old girl who was imprisoned and experimented on for 12 years and the main character is a liar and abuser??? What are these people talking about???
RIGHT 😭😭😭 like ofc el is a complex character she makes mistakes and she has to fix/apologize for them but everybody fucking babies mike all the time like he didn’t MEAN to not talk to will for six months 🥺 he didn’t MEAN to yell a homophobic insult at will he’s just a babyyyyyy it’s not HIS fault he has internalized homophobia, he’s still a good friend!! he didn’t MEAN to hurt el and make her feel unloved, he’s just secretly gay!! it’s not his fault!! he’s! a! baby!!
meanwhile el lying to mike in s4 is because she doesn’t give a shit about him and is intentionally trying to manipulate him in their relationship in order to control him??? like she’s SO BAD because she just doesn’t GET it and she won’t let mike go & get w her brother!! she’s trapping him and is being sooooo evil 😡
like these are REAL TAKES i have seen and the double standard is just ASTONISHING. to be clear i don’t think mike is bad/abusive either but some people here just excuse every single thing mike does wrong while holding el up so completely terrible. & i want everyone to take a second and scratch their heads and think about why that might be 🧐🤔
it’s exhausting. if you are a byler shipper who hates el for any reason, my blog is NOT the space for you.
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Yoko: I don’t believe that Enid is a werewolf. Not until I see her as a wolf myself.
Wednesday: She is a werewolf, you know that.
Yoko: I could believe her to be a were-bunny or maybe even a were-corgi. But a werewolf? No.
Wednesday: You want her to transform in front of you? You’ll end up dead.
Yoko: You think, she’d kill me? Enid? *laughs for 5 minutes straight*
Wednesday: That’s not what I’m saying.
Yoko: What were you saying, then?
Wednesday: That I’m going to kill you, if you watch my girlfriend get naked, as she transforms.
Yoko: Oh..Now, that is something I can believe.
Wednesday: You still want to see it?
Yoko: No, no. Actually, I think I just now wrapped my head around it. No need.
Wednesday: That’s what I thought.
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Okay in all seriousness. There's something that I REALLY want to talk about as an open discussion with the fandom, but. This is not going to be a very nice thing to hear/talk about.
It's about how Gonta is treated by the fandom.
As a fan of all the V3 characters now, and as someone who has always been a fan of Gonta, and as someone who has many mental disabilities and two diagnosed neurodivergancies... I'm tired of playing nice about it.
You all need to stop being ableist towards Gonta.
I've mentioned in the past that I don't like shitting on personal interpretations. I don't like saying something is or is not canon because narration is just a big web of text that you try to decipher with your own personal biases, experiences, and thoughts. That's why two literary analysts analyzing the same text with the same literary criticism rules can come to wildly different conclusions--why people develop different headcanons from the same canonical information.
But one of the things that challenged my integrity is just how many people view Gonta as this innocent, naive, ignorant, baby boy who can do no harm/never has a complicated/dirty/violent/sexual thought in his life ever.
This incredibly ableist interpretation of the character bothered me for, well, obvious reasons (See: It's fucking ableist, need I say more?) but I never challenged it as harshly as I am now because to be frank, it's not my place to tell people how to HC a character. It still isn't. But I've pretty much given up on my integrity on the subject and have decided to go all in on discussing why this interpretation of Gonta is just. Really bad.
First of all, not to promote my own analyses here or anything, but I think this analysis I did of Gonta explains a LOT in regards to the ableism the cast gives him in canon. I also think that this subtle ableism is why the fandom is so bad with Gonta's characterization in headcanons and fanfic--because they've seen how the cast treats him, and they think it's normal. They don't see the microaggressions, they don't see the subtle ableism in the cast--they just see this big giant idiot who speaks like Tarzan in the English version (which... I don't actually know why people assume Tarzan (Thinking of Disney's version) is stupid. Like as a boy he had to reinvent the spear with no one to guide him on how to do it. He was able to strategize and outsmart "civilized" men in the final showdown. Still I digress) and don't see the literal genius behind his social awkwardness.
There is also another very important point I'm going to make in addition to this, and it's going to be very uncomfortable to Gonta fans who insist he's nothing but a sweet baby who only has pure thoughts. Especially to the fans who insist he "can't be sexual" or think it's weird to ship him with his peers.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but... Gonta blatantly has sexual desire and gets horny right in canon.
This is further clarified here:
It wasn't a matter of Gonta didn't want to touch her because touching someone in their underwear was inappropriate, or being flustered because she was in her underwear which is inappropriate...
It was literally a "weird feeling" that made him unable to approach her or touch her. A "weird feeling" that Miu makes pretty obvious as to what it was--sexual arousal.
He literally was sexually attracted to and felt sexual arousal from looking at Miu in her underwear. He had sexual feelings and thoughts about Miu. Why?
Because Gonta is a young man.
Gonta is a brilliant, talented young man who has normal human thoughts for someone his age--sexual desires, upsetting thoughts, complicated thoughts, ectect. He is not a child, he is not mentally stunted (I've been informed that people have literally said this on Ao3 for the NSFW Gonta fics, please for the love of god stop that)
I think the reason why Gonta fans typically want to keep him as a "pure baby child who can do no wrong" is because treating him like the young adult that he is makes it harder for them to justify Chapter 4. Every time I've seen a Gonta fan that hates Kokichi, it's always followed by the sentiment of "Kokichi manipulated and abused Gonta into killing Miu, so it's all Kokichi's fault." They're afraid of nuance and liking a character with the grey morality of genuinely thinking Mercy Killing the cast is a viable option, because it challenges their own morals about the character they adore.
To those people who read this and are upset: You can and should like Gonta! Gonta is a magnificent character who showcases the subtle way microaggressions can manifest and hurt people, he's a good-hearted person and a literal genius, he cares deeply for his friends and loves everyone with upmost sincerity.
But.
You need to re-evaluate your stance on Gonta if you think he's a stupid, naive fool who Kokichi manipulated. You need to re-evaluate why you think those thoughts, why you think Gonta being shipped with anyone is "Kinda weird" or "has weird consent problems" or "give you the ick." You have to challenge yourself and ask yourself uncomfortable questions in regards to why you treat Gonta like a child when canon has proven otherwise, why you think he cannot have violent or sexual thoughts, why he can't think mercy killing his class is the only way to save them.
This isn't an attack on you--but understand that these specific takes on Gonta? They are ableist in nature. They belittle and dismiss him, they treat him like a child, an idiot who can't think for himself--and you have to come to terms with the fact that Gonta is a far more complex character with complicated thoughts and feelings who is a young adult. Not a child. A young adult.
So again, ask yourself this: Why are you treating this young adult like he's a toddler?
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So! It's the time for some personal art!
Me and a bunch of Rise fans got together and just had fun with our Turtle Kinsonas. And it's been a year since we started that little journey of ours.
Each and every one of them is so different, so charming in their own way, just like the people who made them. Through the year, these are people I have cherished and smiled daily because of them. Every time we'd draw something for these little guys, or write stories, angst or fluff- it didn't matter. Talking hours on end, waking up to 1000+ messages just with ideas- It was an absolute highlight of the year and a feeling I will take with me for the rest of my life I think.
Even if our hype has died down a little, we are still here for each other, and draw these folks to show affection.
Through a hard time in my life, they were a guiding star on my journey in just- in life. At a point where I was scared I'd lost a lot of things that matter to me- They showed up, and gave me hope that no matter what, I'll find people. People who will be there for me, who I can love, who I can laugh with and smile at the simple truth that they are out there living, breathing, and that I know them.
Thank you all for being here with me. No matter what, I will always remember this, and I hope that lets you rest easy.
Words can't do justice to the admiration and love I hold, but I hope images can.
I'm just gonna tag as many people involved in this as I can-
@daedelweiss
@viverrz
@meggalice
@ashwii
@lallelol
@/heybuwan (on twitter)
@peepaw-court
@/matchastickturtles (instagram)
@spaceysketcher
@camilieroart
@crunchyhampster
@liya4kar
There's a bunch more people I would have loved to add, but I was mainly keeping in mind the tag we had in the server. So if by any chance I didn't include someone, I WOULD HAVE, I was simply running out of space PFF-/lh
NOW I GET TO POST MORE VERSIONS WOO!!
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