#whiskey peak

[assiraphales]

listen I GET why ppl don’t like the whiskey peak fight between luffy n zoro but it is genuinely just. so funny. bc they know each others fighting styles so well that they’re still in sync even when they’re trying to beat each other up. they’re sprinting at each other full force just to get stuck in a standstill. they’re throwing each other into buildings at the same time. they’re punching each other at the same time (to the point they fist bump instead of actually punching each other). they’re yelling at mr 5 and miss valentine and knocking them out in unison. then when it’s all over they’re laughing n excited to go meet one of the seven warlords together. idiots

#one piece #mild : #zolu #roronoa zoro #monkey d luffy #whiskey peak #it also looks a little like zoro is grimacing but he’s smiling lmao ????

[forged-in-kaoss]

#one piece #roronoa zoro #luffy #monkey d luffy #mugiwara no luffy #luffy vs zoro #whiskey peak #alabasta saga #zolu #baroque works

[sailing-ever-west]

remember that time nami out-drank an entire bar including zoro and won a cash prize then proceeded to fake being blackout drunk, sneak out in the middle of the night, and rescue a princess? yeah.

#one piece #cat burglar nami #whiskey peak #she's the girlboss ever actually #queen

[xxcentaurus]

ZoLu Week Day 2: What if… Luffy kabedoned Zoro at Whiskey Peak, demanding to know why he cut down everyone in the town?

💚 ZoLu week organized by @zoluevents ❤️

#zoluweek2023 #kabedon #roronoa zoro #monkey d luffy #zolu #luzo #zoro x luffy #whiskey peak #one piece #one peice fanart #myart

[every-luffy-smile]

#390 #one piece #monkey d. luffy #chapter 113 #whiskey peak #with: zoro #with: nami #with: vivi #this is SO fucking funny #everyone's faces could be reaction emotes on their own #but all together it's a comedy show

[symbologic]

Luffy vs. Zoro at Whiskey Peak

Unpopular opinion maybe, but the Luffy vs. Zoro clash in Whiskey Peak made sense for their characters. You could even argue that it was bound to happen, given their personalities.

Luffy likes the people who feed him. In the the face of their suffering, no matter who's responsible, he's too angry to concern himself with the reasons behind it. Zoro, on the other hand, prefers to handle things independently without saying much about it, especially if it means his crew gets to enjoy themselves a little longer

So it's not really surprising that Luffy would be blindsided by finding their hosts cut up by his swordsman, and that this would send him flying into a fit of rage. If he's never paused to listen to context or backstories before now, why would he start here? And of course, Zoro is not the type to back down from a challenge. He will match Luffy's energy and respond in kind

"But if Luffy were a good captain, he would have stopped to listen to Zoro's side of the story." Vivi tells him he's a bad captain two arcs later, precisely because of this kind of behavior. It clearly leaves an impression on Luffy, and we see he's grown into a better leader by the time he reaches Amazon Lily. (Almost as if Oda set all this development up on purpose with Whiskey Peak. HMM...)

"But Luffy refused to believe that Nami had killed Usopp in Arlong Park." This argument is like comparing apples to oranges. Nami did not actually do the murder that Johnny and Yosaku claim they saw, nor is she capable of killing people in cold blood. Of course Luffy isn't going to believe Nami killed Usopp based on hearsay. But in Whiskey Peak, Zoro did cut those bounty hunters. Luffy sees the evidence for himself, and he knows the carnage Zoro is capable of inflicting once he puts his mind to it. There is no denying what happened. Nothing other than Zoro saying "someone else did this" (or Nami knocking the soul out of him) was going to stop Luffy from going ballistic

"Why would Luffy fight so hard to recruit Zoro into his crew, firmly believing that he wasn't a bad person, only to later attack him because he believed Zoro was capable of harming 'innocent' people?" Because the fight was never about whether their hosts were "innocent" or not, not really. Their fight was about what Zoro did (assaulting the ones who fed them), and how those actions made Luffy feel (mad as hell, because these people FED THEM) For Luffy, context did not actually matter at that moment in time because, for him, "they fed me" unequivocally means "they're my friend", full stop This is even shown again in Mocktown! Both when Luffy unquestioningly eats an apple from Doc Q, and when Bellamy buys Luffy a drink in Mocktown. In the first case, Luffy only lived because he was lucky. And in the second case, he assumes Bellamy is a good person despite all evidence to the contrary, only to have his face brutally smashed into the bartop by Bellamy. Luffy is shockingly bad at reading people who try to feed him.

Luffy has interpersonal conflicts with all the core members from East Blue at different times. The fight with Zoro is the only one instigated by Luffy. But surprisingly, their fight highlights their similarities instead of their differences. They still fight equally and work together against BW agents who try to interfere with their fight.

I think that's what Oda wanted to showcase with this scene.

In short, Luffy's initial anger stemmed from his protectiveness towards those who have fed him, while Zoro's actions were driven by his dedication to the crew and subsequent refusal to back down from Luffy's challenge. It was a clash resulting from miscommunication and misunderstanding, something that is not typically a problem for them — until it suddenly becomes one When all is said and done, they're both quick to forgive and forget. This, too, is fitting for both their characters. From that point onward, Zoro continues to demonstrate that Luffy's trust is not misplaced. And Luffy never, ever doubts Zoro again after this

#I see a lot of ppl claim Luffy vs. Zoro was due to pressure from editors #but nobody can cite sources for this #I think it's much more likely that Oda genuinely wanted to show them fighting #to set up a gradual path of growth for Luffy in Act I #and also to highlight how Luffy and Zoro are on the same wavelength; even when they're trying to kill each other #plus that fight was funny as hell idc what anyone else says #also it's totally fine to dislike this scene b/c of the tonal whiplash #or b/c you don't like tropes based off of miscommunication #but anyone who says Luffy was ooc in this scene #or that this chapter only happened because luffy doesn't trust zoro #and that luffy would've been 100% fine if NAMI had killed the bounty hunters b/c he would've just ~trusted~ her #is wrong! lmao #one piece #monkey d. luffy #roronoa zoro #whiskey peak #meta #my meta #text posts #long post #zolu #kinda sorta

[koalas-koalas-everywhere]

Honestly? While there's no doubt that Luffy fucked up in Whiskey Peak? Like 80% of the outrage and 100% of the accusations of "ooc"ness come from 1) the misconception of Luffy being this super intuitive guy leading to him being put on an altar, and 2) a refusal to allow him any emotional depth.

To start off – Luffy's not that intuitive. The closest thing to it is what the crew call his "animal instincts" in Water 7, where he predicts that he will have to fight Rob Lucci, like he predicts other fights before and after. Only – is that really what happens? He "just knows"? Because, from what I remember, he very clearly identifies him as the leader and the strongest member of CP9 (#366: "of all the people we'll be fighting in a little while, the strongest is that pigeon guy! I'l definitely be the one to send him flying!"). Of course he assigns himself to fight him. That's his reasoning every other time, as well. At times (certainly not often, but sometimes), he demonstrates actual strategic thinking, like with Moria.

I think a lot of people want to think that Luffy "intuits" the Straw Hats' potential or even their pasts when he asks them to join, but we don't see any evidence of that. What we do see is a lot of instances where Luffy witnesses good things about his friends, both in terms of skill and of character. In Brook's case, he literally just went "talking skeleton cool cool cool cool cool". And that's all. It might be hard to swallow that some of the deepest and strongest bonds we see in the series, the most important ones and the cornerstone of the story, are based on something as flimsy as "hee hee I like you be my nakama", that Luffy didn't somehow know that they needed to be taken in. But that's just the way it is. Hell, if it had been solely up to him, Kureha, Iceberg and a bunch of random zombies without a will of their own who were trying to kill them would be part of the crew.

I think that what happens is that Luffy is very undiscerning and undemanding about who can join the crew or even sail with them (he also let Miss Wednesday and Mr. 9 go with them without a fuss, same with the Franky Family, who he only knows from, you know, having beat up Usopp and stolen 200mil berries from them) and we want to think that there's some deeper reason for it. We know that it's nothing rational, because we're not so detached from what's happening on the page, so that leaves some kind of instinct telling him that these are the right people. It's a nice idea – it gives Luffy some unconventional wisdom to make up for his lack of it otherwise and fits well with his upbringing in the jungle.

But there's not really anything special about the people he picks up, except the fact that he picks them up. Not in the sense that they're special because of him, but that they become special to him. That's the real reason why he goes after Nami and Robin and Sanji when they leave. It's not that, oooh, he can sense how tortured and traumatized they are and that deep down they're good people. Nah – he just believes them when they say they are his people, so he refuses to abandon them.

And, okay, this might seem damning in the context of Whiskey Peak, because where was this faith when it came to Zoro, who arguably earned it more than anyone else in the crew? To be honest, that's one of the points where I'll concede that Luffy fucked up the most, but there is another matter at play here: everyone else claimed to be on his side, or at least be a certain kind of person, before apparently turning on him. He chose to believe that original impression out of loyalty.

Not only is Luffy not that discerning, he is known for being a sucker for deception. He can't lie, and he's so honest that most of the time he can't even conceptualize that someone might be lying to him. ("Are you going to betray me?" "No." *grins*) The idea that he could just... take a look at someone and divine either good or evil intent goes directly against canon. He gets taken in by CP9, by Kanjuro, hell, he buys that King Cobra betrayed Alabasta as Vivi is telling him of how Crocodile manipulated them.

And that leads me into Whiskey Peak and point 2.

Before we start, think back to Wano, if you would. (If you haven't reached Wano, don't worry, the spoilers in this paragraph are very light.) Imagine that, after spending the day with Tama, and Tsuru, and Kiku, and the rest of the village who gave up their scarce supplies to feed them, Luffy and Zoro go to sleep. The morning after that, Luffy wakes up to a massacre. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has been cut down. The people who helped them, the people who he was talking and laughing with just a few hours ago, dead or near enough. He recognized Tsuru among the pile of bodies and she still has some breath left, so he asks who did it.

Basically, imagine sympathetic victims to the Whiskey Peak massacre.

When we read Whiskey Peak, we know there's something fishy going on. For starters, it's Miss Wednesday and Mr. 9's town, which makes it suspicious enough. Then, before the attack, we see them writing a letter saying that they wanted the Straw Hats to go there, making it obviously dangerous. This is without even getting into the clear threat evident to us readers because we know this is a story and that there's no way the heroes will have it that easy. We mistrust and refuse to sympathize with the Whiskey Peak inhabitants from the start. Until the reveal that Vivi's undercover, they're enemies and future meatsacks to us. We forget that that's not the case for the Straw Hats. Especially, that's not the case for Luffy, who takes everyone at face value.

I think a lot of people maybe get too caught up in their image of Luffy as a sort of chaos, "do things for the laff" entity who'll liberate you from tyranny in exchange from food, so they don't realize that there might be emotional, non-transactional reasons for his behavior. That he feels thankful to the people who help him, because he's survived on the kindness of others all his life and he would've died without it (and if you think that doesn't apply now that he's a pirate, go back to read the Baratie arc). That he might get attached to the people who are kind to him and others. That, even if he doesn't feel affection for them, he'll still be outraged when their kindness is met with cruelty by others. We joke about his disproportionate responses to being fed (aka overthrowing the government for a bowl of rice), but that's because he's not acting under a perceived debt, but out of a bond he's created with his benefactor/s.

So Luffy, who couldn't understand duplicity if it showed up with a twin, gets to a village full of people who happily welcome him and his crew, who appear to do this for every weary traveler that has just passed through the harrowing ordeal of Reverse Mountain. They offer them food, drinks and shelter for as long as they need it. Not only that, they all spend hours partying together, chatting, having fun. Than, Luffy wakes up to find everyone either slaughtered or nearly – the people he was partying with not long ago, from the elderly to children, and, okay, gross, but let's recognize that One Piece is a piece of media with an antiquated system of gallantry that says that it's also an outrage that the women were also hurt. He walks up to one of them and asks them who did it. He says it was Zoro.

Take a moment to place yourself in his shoes. This was objectively a horrifying experience. You wouldn't be surprised if he went after the culprit if it was a stranger. And while I think he should have given Zoro the benefit of the doubt, there's something actually a lot more horrifying in the fact that it was one of his friends who did it: that means Luffy's responsible. He's the one who brought Zoro there, after all. Most codes of honor would have the leader of a group vouching, at least implicitly, for its members.

And it might have easily felt like a betrayal. Not because Zoro went against Luffy, but because he let him down.

A lot of people bring this fight back to loyalty – hasn't Zoro shown Luffy how loyal he is? (And, you know what, I think we could have an interesting discussion about that? About what's said, what's implied, also what's actually witnessed by the characters, but never mind.) Zoro promised him he'd be the best, and that he'd stick by Luffy in his path to achieve that... but he never promised he'd never cruelly cut down an entire village in the meantime, something which is not beyond what any other pirate would do, loyalty notwithstanding. And a good thing, too, because he did, in fact, do that in WP!

That's the other thing. Imagine waking up to a whole village of people who helped you and your crew cut down by a member of said crew. The children included. The idea of there being a good reason for it is actually more out there than a prideful and powerful man who agreed to become a pirate, specifically to establish himself as the strongest in his field, would lash out at the flimsiest offense to his ego, to be honest.

Basically, it all goes down to how this guy, so honest he can barely conceive of being lied to when he's directly informed of it, should have walked out to find bloodied piles of bodies and gone "this guy with violent tendencies I met like a month ago killed dozens of people, including children, who fed us and sheltered and fed us, who I like because of that, probably did it for a good reason". Forgive me if I bring up the children too much, it's just that, if there's one demographic you don't expect anyone to have enough of a good reason to maim, it's that one. Faced with this kind of scene, it makes sense to doubt your initial judgement of a person.

Of course, what he did see of Zoro before that should have told him enough to at least doubt. At the very least, he should have heard him out before killing him. Zoro did try to explain. (Then again, if someone admitted to slaughtering a whole neighborhood and then claimed to have a good reason for it I wouldn't be jumping to hear them out.)

That said, it's not about Luffy doubting Zoro's loyalty, it's about doubting his character when faced with incredibly damning evidence against it. One the one hand, maybe Luffy's the one who should've been more loyal. On the other, the fact that his loyalty didn't extend to forgiving one of his crew when they apparently go rogue and attack not just an entire village, but of full of people who helped them and continuously did the same for others, just goes to prove that he doesn't have the moral backbone of a wet noodle, in addition to checking out with his tendency to develop an attachment to people who feed him.

#One Piece #Whiskey Peak #Monkey D. Luffy #Roronoa Zoro

[roydeezed]

I understand Luffy so much in Whiskey Peak. Cause once a coworker of mine, for her first interaction with me, asked if I wanted food. She was going around asking everyone since we got some catering but still it was super kind. And I had been too busy to eat that day so I said yes and she brought me some of the best god damn perogies I've ever had and the next day a dude was harassing her and I was ready to fucking throw hands for her. I didn't need to cause she can scare the bravest of men, but to this day we're still good friends. So yeah if someone feeds you, they've gotta be good people. I totally understand Luffy.

#one piece #luffy-core #whiskey peak

[likelytowritesomestuff]

So I was watching the Whiskey Peak episodes, when the scene where Miss Wednesday tries to hypnotize Zoro came.

It's framed as something sexy, even if Zoro doesn't care at all about the girl in front of him, but the peculiar thing about this scene is the choice to put the 'Sanji's theme' as its soundtrack...

What does that mean?

#in Miley Cyrus's voice #WHAT DOES IT MEAN? #Sanji wasn't even in the scene at all #but anyway #can this be considered a zosan moment? #zosan #one piece #whiskey peak

[wifeofkatakuri]

Total missed opportunity to have Robin’s laugh just be dereshi. It seems like such an Oda move to have this mysterious woman Miss All Sunday who’s all calm and cool but then she’s got this weird laugh. Ik Saul probably didn’t exist when Oda was writing Alabasta but still it would’ve added more intrigue to her character.

#one piece #nico robin #jaguar d. saul #enies lobby #Alabasta #whiskey peak #dereshi

[the-bejeesus]

I made a new short today. It's a bit fast paced but I felt it was better as a short than a full length video.

#Luffy #Monkey D. Luffy #Igaram #Tama #O-Tama #Whiskey Peak #Alabasta #Wano #Wano-Kuni #Yonko #one piece #op #wan pīsu #ワンピース #anime #manga #Ace #Portgas D. Ace #video essay #youtube short #one piece discussion

[slagginbitch]

i skipped over Whiskey Peak in the past and so last year was the first time watching it, and it truly is one of the best Zoro moments. Oda clearly just needed a way for him to get a bounty but idc IT WORKS for this madman. He also just needs a major win sometimes to make up for almost dying. just. constantly.

#Jess rereads OP #one piece #Whiskey Peak

[forged-in-kaoss]

#one piece #roronoa zoro #luffy #monkey d luffy #mugiwara no luffy #luffy vs zoro #whiskey peak #alabasta saga #zolu #nami #weather witch nami #cat burglar nami #romance dawn trio #im so soft about them nami keeps them in check and theyre back to being adorable. theyre all insane #zoluna

[fallensnowfan]

Another Kiku and Vivi post. Oh no! How could they be so careless!? Revealing Crocodile’s identity? Slicing off the Yokozuna’s top knot in front of everyone?

Difference is, one is an accident and excellent gag for the watcher, the other a very intentional effort to break Urashima’s composure, and have some fun while she’s it.

I know Oda has said that Miss Wednesday wasn’t originally intended to be the princess of Alabasta, but it worked out surprisingly well and means that Vivi is a character with acting skills. It would be fun to see her put them to use again, as well as her usual tact, should she find herself in a situation where making use of those skills would help.

#one piece #okiku #nefertari vivi #luffy #nami #wano #whiskey peak

[brawnie]

the whiskey peak episode said hey! Time for you to simp for Zoro! You don’t have a choice 😘

#one piece #roronoa zoro #whiskey peak #whisky peak #mine

[every-luffy-smile]

#374 #one piece #monkey d. luffy #chapter 106 #whiskey peak