#we use our critical thinking. actually smth i ALWAYS can talk about is the racism like that’s where my memory serves me ALWAYS

[normal-thoughts-official]

ONE MORE THING TO ADD

This is for the mesage abt fantasy and sci-fi and all

Just put my phone 2 bed and was like hmmm does this trope come from the hunger games hype???

I would argue a big fat No, because unlike shadowhunters and the like hunger dames focuses on who suffers the consequences of the oppressors actions

If the shadowhunters writers had thought of this concept first they probably would have made rivh Katniss everdeen be watching the hunger games and be the only member tof the capital to think 2 themselves - this might be a bit fucked up

Bc I think that most white writers think that writing about poverty and oppresioon is boring, and that's why we don't see it very often. They think that the rich and powerful becoming morally conflicted is far more interesting and from a political standpoint, WAY more safe (don't want the poor people thinking toooooo hard about it)

And also the fact that the hunger games was the only one of the dystopian hype of 2013 that actually had any moral impact, all of the rest felt like cheap flimsy cash grabs after it, because they weren't willing to make a relevent political statement with their work (ie divergent, maze runner etc)

I hope this little ramble makes sense I really need 2 sleep lol but I just had to add this on. Km not saying the hunger games is perfect, i can't forgive the crimes against rue! But I just wanted to compare how even choosing who the protagonist can completely expose who's story you consider interesting enough 2 tell and the writers intentions

P. S - Katniss is described as 'olive skinned' in the books, as a little white 9 year old I assumed that means someone who was from like Spain or Italy or smth but I'm not sure, it's pretty vague but should we assume that Katniss was intended to be a woman of colour?

answering this first cuz it's easier

i can't really talk about the hunger games cuz i've never read the books, i've only ever seen the movies and even then i'm not sure if i saw them all or just the ones i was invited to watch, and the consensus in my circles seems to be that the movies took away a lot of the powerful messages from the books, so i can't really say

what i can say about dystopian fiction tho is that i think it has a lot of potential to be really subversive and that it, like you said, usually seems to be told from the POV of the oppressed, which is a relief, but it's been co-opted by capitalism, like... surprisingly fast. i mean, capitalism co-opts things faster than ever these days, but the hunger games seems to be the only piece of dystopian fiction from this century that actually led its fandom to question a lot about the world they live in (i can't talk about the content but i can talk about what i've seen from the fandom) and EVERYTHING ELSE was just weak and meaningless

i'll also say that there is a lot of criticism from indigenous peoples that dystopian fiction is just "what if the things we did to poc happened to the WHITES?" (a good example of that is the handmaid's tale. no, women being forcibly used as breeders? wonder where i've seen that before) and i think that it holds up, particularly because like i said it's been quickly co-opted and that means that it went from being a relatable form of oppression that we can actually see happening in our society to a very distant thing people aren't supposed to see as something that could possibly happen, and racism and its history has always been swept under the rug, so it doesn't feel like it could be real, particularly for white ppl

but i don't think that the nature of dystopian is that, i think that's the appropriation that led to it, and i think dystopian fiction has a lot of potential to even shed light on racial issues when written right. i'll recommend you this post (link) which talks a bit about indigenous ppls' takes on dystopian fiction and has a recommendation of a graphic novel about this written by indigenous canadian writers and artists <3

#ask #residenthottiesamwilson #discourse #racism tw

[laufire]

that post you wrote is so random and I have some trouble to understand your take on it, cause it all depends from people pov, and the writers pov, and especially even more depends on which shows or movies you're talking about cause then in some cases, defending the writers in one in which they're very obviously doing things "wrong" to quote you or in a very bad and offensive or counter-progressive kind of way just to end up nowhere except for a really shitty narrative and ending.

The argument of people saying *but if everyone sees it as something bad it should mean smth" which you contradicts here which is a thing I 100% can get behind. The majority isn't always right, it's actually often the opposite in some cases but then according to your own logic it becomes: "who can a be a judge of what's right or wrong, the writers are always right. Period." The right or wrong here is all gonna depends on the person stating it is, that's the problem of your way of thinking here

So if we talk about a movie, show, book promoting pedophilia, homophobia or racism etc, people should just shut tf up about it and move one, cause they are either allowed to "quit" or settle for it just cause it was the writers's intent all along and that we have to respect that?

I might have made a mistake by using the terms right/wrong on my original post (x), but I’ll make it clear: mine wasn’t an ethical argument. By “right” and “wrong”, I meant for the narrative. A.K.A., I meant fandom’s distinction between Good Writing(TM) and Bad Writing(TM). 

I wasn’t talking about the moral value of those storylines. That’s an entirely different discussion, that I may or may not tackle at other time. The post referred to a specific form of fan entitlement over the course a story should follow. Some times those things get mixed up, because lately, more often than not, fans dress up their complains with progressive terms when they’re merely angry about ships or characters getting more or less than they deserve (which is a perfectly reasonable reason to dislike a storyline, IMO, without needing to present yourself as a moral guardian), but that, too, wasn’t the point of my post.

To clarify something, I wasn’t talking about writing “intent” either. I think a writer’s intentions are much less important than a lot of people think. Sometimes a writer sets to tell a story and gets carried in the opposite direction along the way, despite their original wishes. Or sometimes a story will send a message, or say something about them, that they hadn’t realized.

That post wasn’t saying, at any point “don’t criticize writers”, or “don’t call out bigotry if you see it”, or anything you’re hinting at here. It was about pandering, which is mostly associated with ships and ship wars. I wouldn’t tell people to not criticize a text, if only because it’s what I constantly do. I certainly wouldn’t say that you can’t hate a text based on ethical reasons; I think most stories are deeply misogynistic, tiredly heteronormative, and dangerously white-centric, for one. There are plenty of reasons why you could criticize any text in history on those grounds, and I agree that it’s important to do so. It just happens that wasn’t what I was talking about in that post.

What I was getting at with that post was: the very specific complaint of a text “pandering to X fans”, and only that complain alone (I wasn’t talking about just any criticism about a text in general, it’s why I mean here), is more often than not born out of resentment because the text is not following our preferred path. We and the writers won’t necessarily want the same thing out of a story, and that doesn’t mean the writing is bad (as in, bad in quality). I’m not assigning any moral value to either of those positions, because they can be wildly different on a case by case basis.

#replies #fandom #talking to the void #Anonymous

[xelere]

tw long rant cus i need to breathe

wow the fight i had with dad that made me depressed af.... i had it now with my white brother and his wife and partly with my mom too

they talked abt having their kids kidnapped would be the worst and i jokingly said ”haha thats me” cus i need to deal with it

and my brother starts to lecture me and then just completely insensitive says ”but werent you abandoned on the streets i dont think china-” oh here we go again

my kind but weak mom goes; ”no actually a police station” as if that was any better??? she has NEVER stood up for me, no one has. maybe she wants to and agrees with me cus shes the smartast in our family but she never had the GUTS to and the same for my other brother they be agreeing or at least UNDERSTANDING and maybe RESPECT me a little but nor enough to ever have mt back those fkn pussies

then we start to fight and i start to cry again cus im so FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY of having a white family and i CANT EVER REST I CANT REST ANYWHERE WHERE IS MY FUCKING SAFE SPACE CAN I BREATHE

and then his wife goes ”but linn.... now im getting angry you cant just accuse him of being subtle racist!!” and shes always quiet an i always thought she was lile smarter than my stupid brother but obviously.... not

and i just give up.... im a fcking minority in my own family. not to get too personal but my little sister would never have the guts to do this cus shes afraid of conflicts. i ALWAYS have to shut the fuck up in family reuinions. and just because i came with trauma, i was an angry and anxious baby, always screaming and thanks to that being labelled as ”problematic and annoying and angry” by everyone who didnt know how to handle me - thanks to that people STILL think they have the right to silence me. im a grown ass woman, im fucking 19 years old and everyone in my family still rolls their eyes at me and goes ”but linn....”

im so fucking tired. im so fucking tired. and i say that. i tell them im tired and that this is why i want to die cus thats exactly why and my brother starts to laugh and like.... accuse me and shit for not ving grateful cus he wants ro defend mom or smth like.... excuse me youre her fucking biolocigal son you have your own fkn mother right here and everyone in this ugly country looks and thinks wxacrly like you

honestly im too tired to write all this shit down cus i could go on for ages in literalky gonna WRITE A FUCKING BIOGRAPHY ONE DAY IM JUST SO FRUSTRATED I GOT NO FUCKING WHERE TO VENT GOD I HATW MY FAMILY I GET IT HAVING AN ASIAN ANTIBLACK CLASSIST HOMOPHPBIC FAMILY WOULD BE BAD TOO BUT LIKE....... at least it would be my family at least they would look like me and not be racist against me?

and what makes me the most sad is that my adoptive family is still better than like 90% the only difference eis that most adoptees dont dare to ”come out” like this, criticizing their own adoption bc ffs we’re terrified of being abandoned. its just....... theyre so fucing dumb. they dont know shit about racism or adoption and like.... thats kinda essential. no one repsects me in this family except for my mom but shes a fucking coward, always in the middle. everyone else talks down on me and i didnt notice like YESTERDAY DURING MY LAST BREAKDOWN THAT WASNT ABT ADOPTION BUT WAS ABT MY EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE DAD AND HOW I REALIZED HE ALWAYS TREATED ME AND MY SISTER LILE SHIT AND BLAMES MY TRAUMA ON ME SO NOW MY WHOLE FAMILY TREATS MW LIKE A PROBLEMATIC WEIRD KID

i want to leave this family so sad but i dont have any friends cus im too mentally unstable to keep friends and i also have a little sister i need to protest but FOR FUCKSS SAKE TOURE RUCKING 15 AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT BISEXUAL IS like im so done with her too, ive proteced her so much, just because i WAS the angry problematic kid i ALWAYS took the fights for thet cus shes a scared rabbit but she never give me a thank you, never says she appreciates it, always throwing me under the bus when dad accuse us of something and i used to accept it cus i know she was too scared of him BUT AGTER ALL THIS TIME AFTER EVERYTHING IVE DONE FOR HER SHES FUCKING 15 SHE KNOWS I HAVE HER BACK IVE BEEN PRTOEVTING HER EVER SINCE THEIR DIVORCE WHEB OUR GROWN ASS ADULT 21+ BROTHERS LEFT US AND I WAS LIKE FUCKING 11 YEARS OLD I PROTECETED HER AND I NEVER GET ANYTHING AND IF I STOP TALKING TO HER SHE WONT EVWR TALK TO ME BECAUSE THATS HOW ALL MY RELATIONSHIPS WORK

i lost all respect for my brother. i knew he was a racist dumbass but like.... he really sig there and laugh and accuse me and guilt trips me when i tell him his dumb ignorant ass is the reason i want o die. this is why i wanna fake my suicide so i can revenge them but i also dont cus then i’d just give in and be one of all those adoptees who commoted suicide and whos gonna fight for them IF NOT ME CUS I ALWAYS DO FKN EVERYTHING. this is also why i low key think i got bpd or smth cus i always want to kill ppl like my family or myself or why not BOTH

cant wait for tomorrow where i have to face everyone and were gonna pretend like NOTHING happened. you know why i came here with my mom and visited??? BECAUSE I WANTED TO TAKE A PAUSE FROM MY DAD AFTER THE SIMILAR SUICIDE THREATENING PANOC ATTACK FIGHT I HAD LIKE YESTERDAY

i just gotta accept tjat my family is totally shit right? i just gotta live through it? this is why i never wanna have kids in sweden. like yeah i’ll probably still be in contact cus im only human, i love my parents and my family ofc.... but like........ I AM NOT TRUSTING THEM. MY REAL FAMILY IS HONESTLY OTHER WOC ONLINE AND OTHER TRANSRACIAL ADOPTEES (the smart oens not the whitewashed ones i try not to blame them but im really fkn tired lf having to protest them and clean up and defend them)

i remember when i was like this every single day....... i DONT WANT IT TO COME BACK IM SO TIRED HOW MANY TIMES WILL I HAVE TO THREATEN WITH SUICIDE AND SHIT FOR MY FAMILY TO LIEK..... TAKE ME SERIOSULY NO ONE EVER HELPS ME I EVEN GAVE UP ON MY PARENTS I WANTED THEM TO READ ON RACISM BUT THEY REFUSED AT ELAST MY DAD, SO I KNOW I ONLY GO WITH STOP TRIGGERING ME BUT LIEK...... IVE THOUGHT SO MICH FOR MY MOM TO BE QHERE SHW IS TODAY WHOCH IS LIKE THIS COWARD BUT AT LEAST SHE CLMFLRTS ME AFTERWARDS AND IM TOO TIRED TO HAVE TO CONVERT AND EDUCATED MY WHOLE FKN FAMILY WHEN THEY DONT DO SHIT TO LEARN FOR ME

i just gotta smile and wave and pretend to love my brother when he didnt do shit when they divorced, mom got ptsd and i went through AT LEAST A THIRD ABANDONMENT, and he doesnt do shit now all he thinks about is how i accuse him of being racist cus he doesnt understand systems and structures which i blamed it on but tbh he’s the famiöy’s racist he really is hems always been cus hes so fkn stupid he’s joked abt muslims and chinese and black ppl and everything im only pretending its the systematic so my mom doesnt get angry lmao but he.... IS..... not ONLY like all the other white people..... but he IS...... for real

and giys..... i left so much of my anger out in this post cus im too tired and mt phone is gonna die but that vreqkdown i had recently....... i wrote like 50+ posts and theyre SOOOOO LONG and also more wellwritten im just saying to give you a perspektivet of how ISOLATED AND DESPERATE I AM IM DESPERATE BITCHES I HINESTLY THINK IM GONNA DIE IF I KEEP STAYONG HERE I WANT TO ASIA I WANT TO SOMEWEHRE MULTICULTURAL I WANT FRIENDS I AM GOING TO DIE IM GOING TO DIE IM DYING IM DYING AND IF IM DYING IM GONNA BRING DOWN MY WHOLE FAMILY AND EVERY WHITE PERSON AND EVERY NON ADOPTEE WITH ME

#kms #kmf #= killing my family #pp