At the end of the new Spiderverse movie when Miles was talking to Earth 42′s version of his mom, she TOTALLY thought he was about to come out to her. “I know you know I’ve been lying to you... It’s just I thought that if you knew, you wouldn’t love me the same” And she responds “nothing could change the fact that I love you.” You know she’s thinking like okay I have to pretend to be surprised yet supportive-
Bonus 82: Frak, smeg, and more swearing in fiction - Ex Urbe Ad Astra interview with Jo Walton and Ada Palmer
The words that a culture considers taboo or obscene can tell us things about what that culture considers important or profane. For example, many swear words in present-day English relate to sex and body functions, while historically in English we've also had more religious swears, like "God's blood" and "God's teeth". In fiction, authors can use invented swear words to get around censorship, like "frack" in Battlestar Gallactica and "frell" in Farscape, as well as to create a sense of a particular culture, such as "smeg" in Red Dwarf, which then sometimes take on new lives of their own among fans.
In this bonus episode, Gretchen gets enthusiastic about swearing (including rude gestures) in fiction with science fiction and fantasy authors Jo Walton and Ada Palmer, authors of the Thessaly books and Terra Ignota series, both super interesting series we've ling-nerded out about before on the show. We talk about fictional substitutes for the F word, expletive infixations like abso-bloody-lutely, sweary lexical gaps (why don't we swear with "toe jam!") and old fashioned swears in English. We also talk about learning real-life swear words without full awareness of their emotional valence by reading fiction (such as how Gretchen and Ada don't find "bloody" as taboo as Jo does), cultural differences in taboo gestures such as pointing with the middle finger in real life and teeth-baring smiles in Arkady Martine's A Memory Called Empire, and an extra bonusy bit about recording emotional punctuation in the audiobook of Because Internet.
Content note: Lingthusiasm episodes about swearing contain real swears! If you typically play this podcast around kids, for example, it's up to you whether you want to have that conversation with them.
Also note that this conversation was first recorded as an interview with Gretchen for Ada and Jo's podcast, Ex Urbe Ad Astra, where it will one day appear in longer form, but they've kindly let us share some of Lauren's favourite snippets from it in advance (plus a few comments from her at the end!).
Listen to this episode about swearing in fiction, and get access to many more bonus episodes by supporting Lingthusiasm on Patreon.
The whole Resident Evil fandom acts like every time Leon appears, it’s a different guy, so what if we just make a spin-off called “Leon Kennedy: Into the Kennedy Verse”
Hilo Kalua Mahoe [they/them, 22] has always been content to stay on the sidelines. As long as you've known Hilo (which is like, practically your whole life) they've never been much of a talker. Often as children you often had to do the talking for them. As a teen they shifted from silence to snark, unsympathetic and snide towards anyone they feel deserves it, though you remained one of the few who they remained gentle and friendly with. One person that got that former treatment was Lee— the entire time you two were dating. You could never quite understand why.
Hilo stands at 5'10 with a slim, willowy build. They have deep olive skin. Their face is oval shaped with a septum piercing; the ring always being gold. Their eyes are dark green. They have very long, wavy, black hair. Their hair falls just past their hips; sometimes in a braid or bun, but usually down with small braids littered throughout. Their usual clothing style is flowy and calm; earthy tones, long skirts, tank tops, ruffled tops, bell sleeve tops, sandals, flowy dresses, cardigans. They're never not seen wearing at least one piece of jewelry. They wear gold earrings in multiple places in their ears; sans industrial. In their ear lobes is a pair of orange bead earrings with a gold moon charm on the left ear and a gold star charm on the right ear. On their wrists are three braided friendship bracelets; one with orange and yellow string from Aria, one with orange and navy blue string from Arlo, and the final one being from MC. A gold infinity ring is on one of their fingers. Gold necklaces are layered on their neck. They have long almond shaped acrylics; colors and designs varying. A new moon tattoo is on their upper arm.