#touga sucks

[problematichikari]

i made this and it got me screaming and dying from laughter (why do i feel like t**ga would sing it UNIRONICALLY)

#revolutionary girl utena #rgu #shoujo kakumei utena #utena #touga kiryuu #touga sucks

[aroanthy]

i love how fraught and complicated discourse around various utena characters ‘dying’ is when anthy is literally stabbed to death eternally by a million swords imbued with human hatred. and then utena gets stabbed to death by them also. like. ‘death’ is incredibly interesting in rgu because most of the time it’s this ambiguous figurative thing that has interesting implications re: ohtori as a closed-off world one can escape. we are all trapped in our coffins. mamiya is the only named character with a grave. nemuro memorial hall functions as one all the same. ruka is implied to have died in the hospital— was he dead all along? who was the boy we saw for these two episodes? is this dead boy the same boy, or is this just another coincidence from the shadow girls, cutting like a knife? it’s heavily implied that akio and anthy murder kanae by poisoning her, adding to the previous implication that they were poisoning mr ohtori too, but there are no perceptible consequences of this. kanae’s absence is not felt. she’s fed an apple slice. what happens to the bodies? we know what happened to the 100 boys, but what about everyone else? and so on and so forth. ‘death’ is a tricky thing in utena, i think it’s constantly functioning on figurative and literal levels in very different ways for very different purposes. dios died. dios was dying. dios didn’t die. he grew up. etc etc

#what am i trying to say here? #idk! think about all of the pieces you have #dying is complicated in ohtori in countless different ways #and i find it boring to see so much ‘this character is dead and that’s it’ stuff #when death is used farrrrrrr more figuratively than some ppl give credit for #and i think the movie too does wonderful things with death #and what ‘dying’ really means #being disbelieved. being forgotten. being rejected. haunting despite this #much more interesting to think about wrt commentary on abusive relationships than it is #to think about what?? oh me when my brother died but plot twist he’s alive and can walk on this road all cool. like????? #akio doesn’t have the power to make himself revenant #he THINKS he does and he absolutely has power when he’s alive and he imbues that power with such meaning that it does live on after him #but ANTHY. anthy is the one struggling with herself and her feelings and the impact of trauma and abuse (that power!!) in aou #he’s dead? he died? she brought him back through her memories? or she’s left him (metaphorical death) and he’s haunting her?? #all such interesting interpretations #i haven’t mentioned touga bc i don’t have the energy today. if dead and just illusion of others memories then why active. why awful #like in aou akio is only Obviously scummy when he’s alive. his illusory self is based upon anthy’s love for him #if anime!touga is nothing more than nanami/whoever’s memories of him before he died……. why does he actively choose to suck again and again #like nanami wouldn’t do that. unless it was meant to be a subconscious thing like ooo he’s dead all along but that’s not what her arc is #it’s not ‘he’s been dead all along’ literally or figuratively. it’s ‘he’s unsafe and i don’t want him’ #sigh. once again i am asking people to think about nanami and touga’s dynamic through touga’s eyes #it’s so interesting to me how people forget to consider his motivations or feelings on ANYTHING #like sure his motivations and feelings are scummy but they’re interesting!!!!! they intrigue me!!!! #compel me even #anyway ignore how i said i didn’t have the energy for this and then typed it all out anyway #dais.txt

[number1villainstan]

FUUUUUCK i just realized that that shot when Mikage's standing up against the wall so that his shoes are part of the lineup of all the dead boys' shoes it's to hint at the fact that Mikage's already dead

#mikage's character arc with mamiya deals so heavily with death and dying and inevitability and trying to escape it #and then you get to the final arc and it's like. you know who else is already dead? dios. and by extension akio. #extending his life through torturing his sister but he's still *in a coffin*. akio is dead just like mikage #and can only live as he exerts an unnatural influence over the world #sucking the life out of everyone else #and he can only live through anthy holding so desperately onto the ideal prince Dios that she's willing to put up with Akio #through utena holding onto the reconstructed memory of dios showing up to save her from her grief and thus falling into his trap #through saionji holding onto the ideal of a childhood friendship with touga (a childhood now dead and gone) #through miki wishing desperately for his sunlit garden (now gone to seed and impossible to reach) #through juri being unable to let go of shiori (stuck in the past like everyone else) #anyways this has been another episode of Gray Freaking Out Over RGU's Brilliance #rgu #sku #revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #souji mikage #mikage souji

[elevatortherapy]

"The widely-adored Student Council members didn't get along very well. In fact, they had a tense relationship, almost to the point of discord."

objectively the best part of the first light novel is how much the student council all* hate each other's guts so i made a little compilation for anyone who doesn't feel like reading it <3

*juri & miki are buddies :) also touga derives enjoyment from being hated so i'm not sure to what extent he really hates the others back lol

juri vs saionji:

1) "His swordsmanship was his only strong point."

2) "A 'mistake'... is that really all it was?" Arisugawa Juri spoke softly, but still loud enough for Saionji to hear.

"What!?"

"You lost because you're so infatuated with our mysterious Rose Bride. It's made you rusty."

"Interesting. Why don't we test that theory?" Saionji said, bristling in response to Juri's criticism. Touga made no move to stop them. On the contrary, he looked amused at the situation, a smile playing about his lips.

saionji vs touga:

1) "What's normal varies from person to person. For instance, why don't you try to unravel these mysteries, best friend?"

Saionji, the target of Touga's words, glared at him with undisguised distaste.

2) "The two of them had been childhood friends, but now they got along terribly. Or, more accurately, Saionji harbored a deep one-sided hatred of Touga."

miki vs touga:

1) "He stopped writing, and glared at Touga."

2) "Touga-sempai! Did you... is this one if your plots!?"

"I don't know anything about it. It's 'The Ends of the World's doing."

"You liar.

juri vs touga:

1) "Don't get cocky, Touga," Juri said grumpily, from across the table.

2) "Touga, you're full of bullshit. I doubt you've said a sincere word in your whole life."

"My, such harsh words." Far from sounding hurt, Touga seemed like he was enjoying himself.

3) [afterword] Manga Juri is in love with Touga, but Novel Juri doesn't even like him. Actually, it would be more accurate to say she detests him.

bonus juri & miki palate cleanser:

"This is unlike you. What are you so worked up about?" Juri protested to Miki. But her voice held none of the iciness she'd shown when speaking to Utena and Saionji.

#if u wanna read twin saplings for yourself go ahead but i'll be honest: kinda sucks! #utena's really cute in it tho of course <3 as are anthy and chu chu. and miki for the most part. #juri's like 200% more misogynistic it's kind of funny. she keeps talking about utena like 'a girl??? fighting???' girl who ARE YOU #rgu #utena light novels #elevator confession #text #light novels #stuco #juri #miki #touga #saionji

[septembermorningbells]

“that shining thing” so far has been used to mean an idealized past version of a girl— a muse to inspire Miki's music, which was Kozue up until now when Miki became disillusioned with her and moved on to projecting this ideal onto Anthy— lines up pretty well with Touga also trying to find an ideal girl which he thinks he has in Utena but not without projecting his ideals of femininity onto her… "the shining thing" being an unreal standard of womanhood tied to an idea of these characters being stuck in the past, unable to grow and develop… well just yeah Nanami is right!!! its nonsense!!!

#grace rewatches rgu #revolutionary girl utena #unesscessary ramble #but i like the miki/touga connectioj #and nanami being like one step ahead at key moments tbhhhh #like she goes about it in a way meant ultimately to harm another girl so like that sucks #but her quest to specifically cause disillusion… in an illusion school… #hmmmmmmmmmm

[wormheathen]

Something something the only flashbacks in which Touga has long hair is in Tsuwabuki and Saionji's who both see him as someone above themselves that they aspire to/want to be seen as equal to in Saionji's case, while the only flashback in which his hair is short is in Nanami's photographs and flashback that was presumably before/not many days after they were "taken in" (re: sold) by the Kiryuus

#revolutionary girl utena #I think this does make sense it's just I suck at making sense of things #Anyway. fucking hate this guy I want to hit him with my nonexistent car #Actually (symbolically) he's already been it by one #Ok I promise I'll stfu I just have thoughts about the bastard #Also Touga's way of acting during the end of Nanami's flashback #just throwing that out there #touga kiryuu #nanami kiryuu #kyouichi saionji #mitsuru tsuwabuki

[jorisjurgen]

Realizes that Touga (the "Anthy" of Saionji) is in love with Utena, while Saionji (the "Utena" of Touga) is in love wth Anthy.

Kills self instantly.

#these allegorier allegories are truly the allegoriest huh. #rgu #revolutionary girl utena #i just want touga to get therapy and reconcile with nanami and say sorry. #and suck sloppy dick from each other with saionji if touga is comfortable with that after therapy bc like. nobody has really asked him this #like. ITS NOT TOO LATE. YOURE NOT AKIO LEVEL EVIL YET. YOU HAVE A HEART. YOUR BODY IS NOT A VESSEL TO WHICH ACTIONS ARE DONE. AAAAAAAAAAAAA #anyway i think touga and anthy and kozue and shiori should have started a witch union or whatever. i don't know #they could build the torment nexus together. #yeah im rewatching rgu again. instead of watching the rgu visual novel letsplay. im dying. man.

[mollypaup]

nothing funnier (by which i mean heartbreakingly tragic) than saionji and touga both believing in true love privately while also going "true love is stupid sentimentality and it isn't real" publicly

#saionji exchanging a love journal secretly and touga genuinely asking around for advice on how to appeal to utena #rgu does a great job of setting them up as antagonists and then going #'hey they are just two 16 year old boys being groomed by the guy who is so sucks that he has become the metaphysical archetype for it' #respect the nuances of the men in rgu as victims of the patriarchy or die by my blade btw

[vaugarde]

it feels so wrong that i actually kinda like saionji as a character. especially when i dislike touga.

#i mean i can also objectively appreciate touga as a villain i just recoil whenever hes onscreen slkdflds #saionji also fucking sucks tbc but man his situation is just. its just so bad. i dont sympathize with him but hes interesting #echoed voice

[the-fool-of-april]

FELLOW UTENA ENJOYER!

I just finished watching it a couple months ago you are in for a good time and/or suffering!

What episode are you on and who are your favorite characters so far?

I'm enjoying the show so far AND suffering but that's the fun, right?

I'm on episode 14

Obviously my favorite character is Chuchu because who else would anyone pick for number one favorite Urena character but is it a cop out to say almost everyone? They all seem interesting for different reasons (though some are more love to hate like Saionji and especially Touga)

#utena #revolutionary girl utena #decisons are hard #Touga sucks I hate him #he's brillantly written

[iceyrukia]

ok but this resemblance has been on my mind for a while

#touga #whats funny is that I saw a pic of Jeffrey star with thins red hair AND a this white casual suite #and legitimately thought it was a touga cosplay #tho I can’t find the pic which sucks cul it was funnier

[problematichikari]

as it should be

#revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #utena #rgu #utena fanart #utena x touga #touga sucks #anyway i hope this goes viral

[zuble]

i think somehow, unfortunately, saionji is my favorite utena character? i hate his dumb little ass, but in a fun way. i love seeing him so i can go “haha little bitch boy.” he is going to hell and i want to be the one to drag him there.

#before anyone says ‘but he’s an abuser’ I KNOW. like 75% of the utena characters SUCK and that’s fine #i fucking hated his guts when he was first on screen hitting anthy #but he’s just gotten so pathetic since then and i love seeing it #also his relationship with touga makes my brain go uuuuwwewaaahhjhg #rgu

[mikittalabs]

oh my god oh my god fucking just found out wayne grayson (voice of michelangelo tmnt 2003) also voices ruka revolutionary girl utena

#god this is so funny #you have ruka #who sucks #tied with touga for being The Worst (not counting akio cuz obviously) #and then mikey #who's just a little guy #raph's va greg abbey also voices another guy in rgu but like the only normal man in the cast #which is funny in a different way tbf

[mouthmoodz]

saionji tpose

#missingno.exe #this scene is great touga is like 'isn't my motorcycle epic' and saionji is just sitting in his little cuck car like 'no. it sucks.'

[local-lamppost]

Anthy’s Blessing of the Sword

A detail I appreciate upon this rewatch is that Utena never asks Anthy to ‘abandon her body to protect the blade’, basically the thing in the Touga rematch where Anthy kisses the sword and imbues it with some kind of power up. 

We only see this done in this duel, this isn’t some power that Utena learns of then utilizes. The Sword of Dios is a seemingly regular blade, at most it might help Utena channel her connection with the Prince, but the Sword of Dios+ was able to cut through Juri’s blade. Even if Touga can’t access the power of Dios like Utena, he is able to access supernatural abilities through Anthy’s blessing.

So why doesn’t Utena use this power? Well, that would mean using Anthy as a “shield”; something many characters do throughout the series (most notably when Akio throws Anthy at Utena in the final duel). Utena is firm in her stance that she is Anthy’s protector, even though she doesn’t know what that means or that she sucks at it. 

More importantly, asking Anthy to ‘bless’ the sowrd is asking Anthy to further demean/dehumanize herself. There’s a reason Utena looks away(the audience is never explicitly shown), it’s a vulgar act of subservience. There’s the obvious symbolism/implication that comes with a woman kissing a man’s sword, and forcing Anthy into that position (especially now that Utena knows that Anthy is compelled to do as she says) would be a betrayal of the nobility, that princely ideology, that Utena holds herself too.

While the story book prince would gladly accept tokens from maidens, Utena instead upgrades her powers by drawing on the sword Anthy draws from Utena’s own heart. When Anthy does aid this blade, she raises herself in a flourish instead of remaining down and demure. Utena, the noblest prince who never was, refuses the maiden’s blessing for the witch’s.

#rgu #revolutionary girl utena #utena #utenanthy #utena tenjou #anthy himemiya #touga kiryuu #utena analysis